From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 00:07:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25157 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:07:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24099 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:07:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25456 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1496-9853>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 02:06:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971168-3822>; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:25:32 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1342 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971177-3822>; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:21:59 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA25268; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:01:58 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11287; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:01:17 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA15662; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:02:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199806302302.AAA15662@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM (again) To: andrewm@corelcomputer.com Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:02:05 +2500 (BST) Cc: philb@gnu.org, Richard.Bradbury@cl.cam.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO This is a repeat of my message, seeing as it appears to have got lost. Andrew E. Mileski writes: > This will make it difficult impossible distinguish an ARM3 > compatible RPM from an ARM4 one. RPM relies on "uname -m". However, as far as RPMs and user programs are concerned, there is very little point in distinguishing between the processors alone. For a.out, since everything runs in 26-bit mode, it is irrelevent. For ELF, the fact that the binary runs in 32-bit mode doesn't affect it's compatability with the older machines. Currently, the only thing that I can think is affected by the processor - the floating point emulator. On Acorn systems, the keyboard mapping that is loaded is influenced by the processor type (since an ARM3 can only mean an older keyboard, whereas ARM610 and up implies newer keyboard). Ok, you could optimise the binaries, for instance, to use StrongARM ldrh/strh instructions, but uname -m won't tell you if the machine is capable of running these, since that is more dependent on the platform than processor. (RiscPC can't use StrongARMs ldrh/strh instructions since IOMD isn't up to it). It also won't tell you the endianness of the machine, since that is again up to the platform designers. Hence, the use of 'uname -m' as it stands for selecting RPMs is meaningless, whether it returns the processor architecture version or the actual processor type. Is there a hole here? I think so, since on the ARM, the processor type/architecture is not sufficient to completely define the machine. There is some extra information that is required to properly define the machine type. Since uname -m is supposed to 'Print the machine (hardware) type.', it would make more sense if it returned something like: armv4h-little for Corel's Netwinder/DECs EBSA285 armv4-little for Acorn's RiscPC with StrongARM armv3-little for Acorn's RiscPC with ARM610/710 The older machines present some problem, because they don't have a defined version. However, we could say that ARM3 (with swp) is version 2, and ARM2 without is version 1, so we end up with: armv2-little for Acorn's A5000 armv1-little for Acorn's Archimedes This then allows for the case where someone decides to build a big-endian ARM system (quite possible, since the ARM chips support it), and it's hardware type would be: armv4h-big Obviously, these could be abbreviated to armv4hl, armv4l and armv4b. A more accurate description could be obtained by using armv4-riscpc but I think that that would be going too far. Note: arch (/bin/arch) uses the same source of information, so any changes here also affects the output of this program as well. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 10:06:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25645 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:06:44 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24215 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:07:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:58640 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1441-3796>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:05:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971030-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:22:56 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138]:48887 "EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971238-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:22:21 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id KAA25890 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Jul 98 10:01:37 BST Received: (qmail 21747 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 09:04:31 -0000 Received: from leo.ecs.soton.ac.uk (sce196@152.78.65.200) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 09:04:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:43 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Ellis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Trouble Installing ARM Linux Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I've had a number of problems when installing ARM Linux. Firstly, I've partitioned my hard drive using Partman 1.11, and am using what I beleive to be the latest kernel files etc. When linux is started using the -bootkernel argument, it gets stuck after noticing the CD-ROM drive. The CDROM drive is connected as a slave on the RiscPCs built-in IDE bus. Linux prints: hda: ST34342A, 4103MB w/128kB Cache, CHS=8894/15/63 hdb: MATSHITA CR0584, ATAPI CDROM drive Then nothing else occurs, and the cursor stops flashing. When I unplug the CDROM from the IDE bus, Linux has no troubles, and I successfully manage to get to the RedHat installer. However, Linux doesn't seems to have found the partitions on the hard drive. RedHat reports that there is no swap file, and using the 'p' option in fdisk lists no partition whatsoever - not even the filecore one. Any help would be appreciated. Sam Ellis. Department of Electronics & Computer Science University of Southampton unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 10:35:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25658 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:35:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24224 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:35:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7732 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1586-15808>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:34:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971269-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:48:46 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:3413 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971256-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:42:29 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrJ2A-0007ic-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:18:34 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrJ29-0000SO-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:18:33 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Andrew E. Mileski" cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:05:01 EDT." <3599A75D.DEA5A6C5@corelcomputer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:18:33 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >> A better solution may be to use ARMv3 and ARMv4, since there can be >> no mistaking these. > >I agree. Shall we etch this one in stone then? Okay, sold. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 12:54:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25841 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:54:27 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24244 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:54:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24444 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10469-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:53:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971273-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:09:45 -0400 Received: from [151.196.69.100] ([151.196.69.100]:36231 "EHLO www-dc-09.digiserve.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970840-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:09:13 -0400 Received: from pingu.itl.net (ap228-15.itl.net [194.145.15.228]) by www-dc-09.digiserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA14958 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980701114703.00675040@digiserve.com> X-Sender: garan@digiserve.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:47:03 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Garan Jenkin Subject: Re: A5000 still being a pain in the arse X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Inside the misc directory within the archive there should be a BASIC >> file called bb_riscbsd. You need to edit this file and change line 1150 >> from: > >> buf%?&1FC = &42 : REM RiscBSD identifier >> >> to: >> >> buf%?&1FC = &0 : REM RiscBSD identifier >> >> You may also need to change line 570 from 'discop$="SCSI_DiscOp' to >> 'discop$="SCSIFS_DiscOp"'. >> This is exactly what I did to over come the problem, except, I uses &83 in order to setup my native space. I was using Acorn SCSI I. I thought I was the only person to think of this! :-( Garan unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 14:11:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26386 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:11:44 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24262 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:12:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:56413 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1212-9853>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:12:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971312-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:28:10 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1672 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971310-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:27:51 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup3.cymru.net [163.164.160.67]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA04254; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:11:04 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11982; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:33:20 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA00870; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:34:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011134.MAA00870@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:34:10 +0100 (BST) Cc: andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 1, 98 10:18:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > >> A better solution may be to use ARMv3 and ARMv4, since there can be > >> no mistaking these. > > > >I agree. Shall we etch this one in stone then? > > Okay, sold. This now means that we've covered the ARM6, ARM7 and StrongARM-based processors. We still need to sort the older ARM2, ARM250 and ARM3 processors. I suggest using ARMv1 for ARM2, and ARMv2 for ARM250 and ARM3. The reasoning behind this is that ARM250 and ARM3 have the SWP instruction, whereas ARM2 doesn't. Therefore, when using GCC, it may produce SWP instructions for ARM3 processors, which will then mean that the binary will not run on an ARM2. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 14:53:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26703 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:52:59 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24271 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:53:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:45636 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1767-9853>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:51:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971346-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:03:12 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:4315 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971356-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:50:34 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrMrq-00082n-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:10 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrMrp-0003C7-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:10 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:34:10 BST." <199807011134.MAA00870@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:24:08 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >I suggest using ARMv1 for ARM2, and ARMv2 for ARM250 and ARM3. The reasoning >behind this is that ARM250 and ARM3 have the SWP instruction, whereas ARM2 >doesn't. I think I can go along with that. ARM1 cpus could always be ARMv0. :-) >Therefore, when using GCC, it may produce SWP instructions for ARM3 >processors, which will then mean that the binary will not run on an ARM2. Actually, GCC doesn't do that. LinuxThreads and the kernel are the only place you're likely to find SWP, at least at the moment. But I guess it never hurts to be careful. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 15:04:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26818 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:04:10 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24275 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:04:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:4443 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10267-9853>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:02:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971357-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:16:22 -0400 Received: from pecan.acorn.co.uk ([136.170.131.22]:64989 "HELO pecan.acorn.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971356-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:15:55 -0400 Received: from ether120.acorn.co.uk by pecan.acorn.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA27368; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:58:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:58:31 +0100 (BST) From: John Vickers Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, Philip Blundell In-Reply-To: <199807011134.MAA00870@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed 01 Jul, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: [...] > This now means that we've covered the ARM6, ARM7 and StrongARM-based processors. What were you going to do for Strongarm/IOMD ? That's ARMv4h in this scheme, right ? > We still need to sort the older ARM2, ARM250 and ARM3 processors. > > I suggest using ARMv1 for ARM2, and ARMv2 for ARM250 and ARM3. The reasoning > behind this is that ARM250 and ARM3 have the SWP instruction, whereas ARM2 > doesn't. > > Therefore, when using GCC, it may produce SWP instructions for ARM3 > processors, which will then mean that the binary will not run on an ARM2. I don't think that's a problem. It's not really a kind of instruction a compiler (well not gcc/egcs anyway) is likely to generate. The current cvs egcs doesn't generate it. BTW, I don't think it would be very hard to hack the arm md to handle ARM1 ... John. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 15:09:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26837 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:09:31 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24279 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:10:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:4443 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10308-9853>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:09:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971349-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:25:01 -0400 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:3898 "HELO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971373-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:23:19 -0400 Received: from cowslip.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.3.212] (rjb45) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrNX7-0000d3-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:49 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:32:41 BST." <199806302132.WAA14971@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:48 +0100 From: Richard Bradbury Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:32:41, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > A better solution may be to use ARMv3 and ARMv4, since there can be > no mistaking these. On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:34:10, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > I suggest using ARMv1 for ARM2, and ARMv2 for ARM250 and ARM3. So is it to be uppercase ARM or lowercase arm? Or to put the question another way: "OK Mr. Wiseguy, you tell us what colour it should be!" :-) -- R. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:38:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27209 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:38:41 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24320 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:39:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:41264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10880-9853>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:38:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970932-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:39:10 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1286 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971467-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:29:15 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA06542; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:12:54 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12760; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:12:08 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA05026; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:13:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011513.QAA05026@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:13:04 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@arm.uk.linux.org, jvickers@acorn.com, andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 1, 98 03:59:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > >Although this is true, it is still possible that a binary could contain SWP > >instructions, which would then affect it's binary compatability. > > I think the "don't do that then" rule covers this (and even the halfword issue) > really. If you want portability, don't use those instructions. But Corel's VNC RPMs will be using the halfword instructions, and I get this feeling of people mailing to say that they've installed the Corel RPMs and nothing works now... I wasn't thinking in terms the user, not the package maintainer anyway. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:41:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27213 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:41:44 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24324 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:42:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:41264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10740-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970909-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:41:42 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1622 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971428-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:11:35 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA06164; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:55:18 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12642; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:43:57 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA03989; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:44:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011444.PAA03989@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Problem installing ARMLinux To: pvigay@bohunt.demon.co.uk (Paul Vigay) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:44:54 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Paul Vigay" at Jul 1, 98 03:07:17 pm X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Copied to the mailing list, so that Phil/other ppl can reply. Phil, can you shed any light? Paul Vigay writes: > From pvigay@bohunt.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 1 15:36:24 1998 > X-POP3-Rcpt: rmk@snowcrash > Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.acorn.apps > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:07:17 +0100 (BST) > From: Paul Vigay > Subject: Problem installing ARMLinux > cc: webmaster@arm.uk.linux.org > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > Organization: Bohunt Community School > X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] > > Hi, > > I'm not sure if anyone can help with this problem, but I've been pulling my > hair out all day with it. > > Basically, I'm trying to install ARMLinux on a spare Risc PC 700 here at work. > > I've got all the relevant root/supplemental discs and suitable kernel etc. > I've also got the clan CD and Phil Norman's claninstall/zip archive containing > extra stuff. > > I downloaded the Risc OS zip utility and have moved all the RPM files from the > x-file on the CD into a suitable zip file which is now stored on my hard disc. > > I created the partitions ok and booted into the kernel ok. > > I then followed Phil Norman's text (all the various Linux commands etc in his > install file. I presume the line > > mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb3 hd > > should refer to /dev/dha3 and not b3, which gives an error. > > Also, I presume the four lines; > tar -xvf /adfs/ARMLinux/base.tar > tar -xvf /adfs/ARMLinux/instim.tar > cd .. > tar -xvf /adfs/ARMLinux/instim.tar > > are correct - ie. the instim.tar gets extracted twice. > > So far so good and I get to the end of his list of commands, hit CTRL-f1 to > return to the install and carry on. All seems to go ok until the installer > gets to the location of the installation tree. > > Leaving as /dev/hda3 and a directory of / results in about 500 error messages > being given, each of which I can bypass by pressing f12. These appear to be > file not found type errors. Pressing f12 right though them results in getting > to the rest of the install, where I can initialise swap partition etc and > eventually get through to the enter password etc and the kernel crash > mentioned in the instructions. > > At which point I don't appear to have a /mnt/bin/sync so I can't resync the > drive before I CTRL-ALT-DEL which then reults in !Linux giving the 'invalid > bmap magic.....' error (FAQ 3.4). > > Any help on getting it working would be appreciated because it appears I have > done everything correctly. All seems ok apart from the numerous file not found > type errors whilst Linux is trying to copy the installation. > -- > Paul Vigay Acorn Programming, > __\\|//__ Internet Consultancy > http://www.vigay.mcmail.com (` o-o ') & Web Design > -----------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------------- > Living in a Microsoft Free Zone! > _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27224 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:46:04 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24328 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:46:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:41264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10613-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:43:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970971-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:41:58 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1613 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971427-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:11:35 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA06158; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:55:15 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12651; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:46:47 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA04140; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:47:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011447.PAA04140@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: Richard.Bradbury@cl.cam.ac.uk (Richard Bradbury) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:47:45 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Richard Bradbury" at Jul 1, 98 03:06:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Richard Bradbury writes: > > A better solution may be to use ARMv3 and ARMv4, since there can be > > no mistaking these. > > I suggest using ARMv1 for ARM2, and ARMv2 for ARM250 and ARM3. > > So is it to be uppercase ARM or lowercase arm? Or to put the question > another way: "OK Mr. Wiseguy, you tell us what colour it should be!" :-) Lowercase! Sorry for the confusion. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:46:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27227 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:46:05 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24331 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:46:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:41264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10703-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:45:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970996-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:08 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1648 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971429-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:11:43 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA06170; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:55:21 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12668; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:53:27 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA04482; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:54:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011454.PAA04482@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: jvickers@acorn.com (John Vickers) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:54:25 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@arm.uk.linux.org, andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, pb@nexus.co.uk In-Reply-To: from "John Vickers" at Jul 1, 98 02:58:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO John Vickers writes: > > This now means that we've covered the ARM6, ARM7 and StrongARM-based processors. > > What were you going to do for Strongarm/IOMD ? > That's ARMv4h in this scheme, right ? Yep. In this email message, I was considering using armv4h for half-word capable machines (DECs EBSAs, Corels VNC etc) and armv4 for the RiscPC. I am still proposing this as a variation, but no one else has particularly commented on this yet. > I don't think that's a problem. > It's not really a kind of instruction a compiler (well not gcc/egcs > anyway) is likely to generate. The current cvs egcs doesn't generate it. Although this is true, it is still possible that a binary could contain SWP instructions, which would then affect it's binary compatability. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27232 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:46:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24334 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:46:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:41264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10834-3796>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:45:18 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970998-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:14 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:5389 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971436-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:16:33 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrOLt-0008Bu-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:59:17 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrOLq-0002u7-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:59:14 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: jvickers@acorn.com (John Vickers), andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:54:25 BST." <199807011454.PAA04482@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:59:11 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Although this is true, it is still possible that a binary could contain SWP >instructions, which would then affect it's binary compatability. I think the "don't do that then" rule covers this (and even the halfword issue) really. If you want portability, don't use those instructions. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:49:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27236 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:49:04 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24338 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:49:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:52308 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10703-15808>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:48:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970974-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:01:39 -0400 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:4838 "HELO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971057-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:49:26 -0400 Received: from cowslip.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.3.212] (rjb45) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrOsq-0007vq-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:33:20 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:33 BST." <199807011406.PAA02878@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 16:33:18 +0100 From: Richard Bradbury Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:33, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > Ok, so what I'm intending to do (for next weeks patches) is to: > 1) Make uname -m more useful, specifically: ... > Could you let me know ASAP whether these are acceptable? Will "uname -p" return the actual CPU model?, viz: uname (GNU sh-utils) 1.16 -m, --machine print the machine (hardware) type -p, --processor print the host processor type -- R. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:52:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27266 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:52:05 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24316 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:27:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28421 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10832-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:27:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970885-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:36:35 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:5288 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971432-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:13:39 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrOBC-0008Aj-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:48:14 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrOBB-0000uy-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:48:13 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:33 BST." <199807011406.PAA02878@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:48:12 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > Hardware - the hardware that the kernel was compiled for/hardware > type passed to kernel on initialisation. > (shall be useful for keyboard maps - RiscPC against A5000 > against PC keyboard). > Optimistaion - Processor type used to optimise the kernel > IO Bus - Currently Acorn or PCI (again obvious). It could be a > list in the future (Acorn,PCI for instance). I'm not convinced those belong in cpuinfo but if you want to put them in I won't try to stop you. >4) ELF_PLATFORM. Currently, it is set to one of arm2, arm3, arm6, sa1x. > I think it would be better if it returned something more descriptive, > in a similar way to uname -m. They will be kept separately for max > flexibility, and I propose to use (at the moment) the last 3 chars > of uname -m. Keep it simple - just use the same string as uname -m returns. We've already decided that uname -m will be able to encode virtually everything about a platform. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:52:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27268 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:52:06 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24313 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:27:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28421 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11095-3796>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:26:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970863-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:35:57 -0400 Received: from relay1.mail.uk.psi.net ([154.32.105.6]:61807 "HELO relay1.mail.uk.psi.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971370-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:30:04 -0400 Received: from ftp.gas.co.uk [193.114.35.5] by relay1.mail.uk.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrOZo-0002pV-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:13:40 +0100 Received: from staines-mime.trading.centrica.com by ftp.gas.co.uk via smtpd (for relay1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.6]) with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 15:09:05 UT Received: from staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com (unverified [128.1.144.1]) by staines-mime.trading.centrica.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 16:13:04 +0100 Received: by staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:13:16 +0100 Message-Id: <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E83D5@staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com> From: steve@gas.co.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Why Linux ARM Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:13:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, This isn't flame bait ! I love linux, and applaud Corel for its far sightedness, and maybe for its courage :) But, Intel hardware is just so cheap now, why would I buy a Corel Workstation at 800 pounds, when I can get a PII 266 for 200 M/Board for 120 128Meg Ram 128 Ethernet Card 50 Soundcard 50 Box 50 Graphics TNT 180 6meg Disk 170 so for 948 do I get a machine that smokes the Corel , looks like ? Am I missing the point ? Is Java going to give me something Win32 can't ? I'd love to be a hacker like you guys and being doing it "because I can" I just don't see the point ? The idea of Linux+Smart Hardware is attractive, but the hardware has to be either a) cheaper than Intel or b) faster than Intel Is strongarm faster than PII ? going to be faster than PII ? Just lots of questions, but I just don't get it. I'd be glad to chat offline from the list if this isn't the correct forum. Cheers Steve. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27272 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:52:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24310 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:27:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28421 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10595-9853>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:26:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971406-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:34:44 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1236 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971460-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:26:24 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA06514; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:10:05 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12751; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:09:17 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA05013; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:10:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011510.QAA05013@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:10:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 1, 98 03:48:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > >4) ELF_PLATFORM. Currently, it is set to one of arm2, arm3, arm6, sa1x. > > I think it would be better if it returned something more descriptive, > > in a similar way to uname -m. They will be kept separately for max > > flexibility, and I propose to use (at the moment) the last 3 chars > > of uname -m. > > Keep it simple - just use the same string as uname -m returns. We've already > decided that uname -m will be able to encode virtually everything about a > platform. Will do. I just thought that you'd have an argument for keeping it as short as possible ;) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 16:52:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27274 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:52:10 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24305 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:24:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18802 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10343-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:23:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970961-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:34:11 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1090 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971379-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:53:07 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA05863; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:44 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12475; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:05:52 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA02878; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011406.PAA02878@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:33 +0100 (BST) Cc: andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 1, 98 02:24:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > >I suggest using ARMv1 for ARM2, and ARMv2 for ARM250 and ARM3. The reasoning > >behind this is that ARM250 and ARM3 have the SWP instruction, whereas ARM2 > >doesn't. > I think I can go along with that. ARM1 cpus could always be ARMv0. :-) > >Therefore, when using GCC, it may produce SWP instructions for ARM3 > >processors, which will then mean that the binary will not run on an ARM2. > Actually, GCC doesn't do that. LinuxThreads and the kernel are the only place > you're likely to find SWP, at least at the moment. But I guess it never hurts > to be careful. Ok, so what I'm intending to do (for next weeks patches) is to: 1) Make uname -m more useful, specifically: armv1l => ARM2 armv2l => ARM3, ARM250 armv3l => arm version 3 little endian (ARM6, ARM7) armv4l => arm version 4 little endian (StrongARM) where 'l' indicates little endian, and 'b' for big endian (if someone builds such a machine). 2) /proc/cpuinfo changes format, to give more useful information, eg: Processor : DEC sa110 rev 1 BogoMips : 190.34 Hardware : Acorn-RiscPC Optimisation : StrongARM IO Bus : Acorn Processor - manufacturer, type, and revision of processor. Bogomips - obvious Hardware - the hardware that the kernel was compiled for/hardware type passed to kernel on initialisation. (shall be useful for keyboard maps - RiscPC against A5000 against PC keyboard). Optimistaion - Processor type used to optimise the kernel IO Bus - Currently Acorn or PCI (again obvious). It could be a list in the future (Acorn,PCI for instance). Although this information is of limited use, it should be more useful than it's previous version. 3) ELF_HWCAP is now used by the kernel, depending on the CPU type, can have HWCAP_SWP and/or HWCAP_HALF set (SWP/LDRH). Others can be added later if needed. 4) ELF_PLATFORM. Currently, it is set to one of arm2, arm3, arm6, sa1x. I think it would be better if it returned something more descriptive, in a similar way to uname -m. They will be kept separately for max flexibility, and I propose to use (at the moment) the last 3 chars of uname -m. Could you let me know ASAP whether these are acceptable? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 17:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27362 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:22:50 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24378 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:23:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28774 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10960-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:22:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970998-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:30:59 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:23104 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971129-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:23:27 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27306; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:06:30 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807011606.RAA27306@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:06:27 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@arm.uk.linux.org, jvickers@acorn.com, andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 1, 98 03:59:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell > > >Although this is true, it is still possible that a binary could contain SWP > >instructions, which would then affect it's binary compatability. > > I think the "don't do that then" rule covers this (and even the halfword > issue) really. If you want portability, don't use those instructions. Well, yes, *but* GCC will generate these instructions. So I guess all binaries should be built with -marmv3 (maximum) -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From pb@nexus.co.uk Wed Jul 1 17:38:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from globe.nexus.co.uk (nexusel.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.195]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA27382 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:38:12 +0100 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrPWh-0008JD-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:14:31 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrPWg-0005Fv-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:14:30 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux@arm.uk.linux.org, jvickers@acorn.com, andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 17:06:27 BST." <199807011606.RAA27306@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 17:14:30 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO >Well, yes, *but* GCC will generate these instructions. So I guess all >binaries should be built with -marmv3 (maximum) For binaries that you want to distribute, yes. Remember that the architecture check will only help to stop you from installing the wrong thing - it won't make binaries run on the wrong processor. In the same way, Intel binaries for distribution are built without using any Pentium-specific instructions. People like Corel who are targeting one particular platform might decide to distribute binaries with -march=armv4 of course but that's different. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 17:52:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27430 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:52:06 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24360 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:11:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28774 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11233-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:11:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970803-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:04:37 -0400 Received: from pecan.acorn.co.uk ([136.170.131.22]:42399 "HELO pecan.acorn.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971378-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:59:49 -0400 Received: from ether120.acorn.co.uk by pecan.acorn.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA03297; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:41:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 16:41:20 +0100 (BST) From: John Vickers Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: linux@arm.uk.linux.org, John Vickers , andrewm@corelcomputer.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, Philip Blundell In-Reply-To: <199807011513.QAA05026@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed 01 Jul, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Philip Blundell writes: > > >Although this is true, it is still possible that a binary could contain SWP > > >instructions, which would then affect it's binary compatability. > > > > I think the "don't do that then" rule covers this (and even the halfword issue) > > really. If you want portability, don't use those instructions. > > But Corel's VNC RPMs will be using the halfword instructions, and I get this > feeling of people mailing to say that they've installed the Corel RPMs and > nothing works now... But your scheme handles the halfword thing already ! (Which seems a lot more of an issue than swp, which only affects ancient machines, and is even then a bit obscure for user code). John. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 17:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27433 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:52:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24364 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:19:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28774 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11093-3796>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:18:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970905-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:27:47 -0400 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]:54422 "EHLO holyrood.ed.ac.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970868-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:04:42 -0400 Received: from sms.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.250.241]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23084 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:48:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3599B1E2.94ADAE76@sms.ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:49:57 +0100 From: micm Reply-To: M.J.Marshall@sms.ed.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Problem installing ARMLinux References: <199807011444.PAA03989@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Russell King wrote: > > Copied to the mailing list, so that Phil/other ppl can reply. > > Phil, can you shed any light? > > Paul Vigay writes: > > > > Leaving as /dev/hda3 and a directory of / results in about 500 error messages > > being given, each of which I can bypass by pressing f12. These appear to be > > file not found type errors. Pressing f12 right though them results in getting > > to the rest of the install, where I can initialise swap partition etc and > > eventually get through to the enter password etc and the kernel crash > > mentioned in the instructions. > > > > At which point I don't appear to have a /mnt/bin/sync so I can't resync the > > drive before I CTRL-ALT-DEL which then reults in !Linux giving the 'invalid > > bmap magic.....' error (FAQ 3.4). The 500 error messages bits looks like the installer not finding the rpms so that it can examine them. Since it can not find them it cannot install anything and hence there is no installed version of sync on the hard disc, so its not found........? Does that sound anything like right? Mike. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 18:00:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27458 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:00:13 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24390 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:00:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:1829 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10458-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:00:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970971-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:15:30 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:13892 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971017-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:04:41 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09455; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:48:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:48:18 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: ARM Linux cc: Paul Vigay Subject: Re: Problem installing ARMLinux In-Reply-To: <199807011444.PAA03989@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Russell King wrote: > Copied to the mailing list, so that Phil/other ppl can reply. > > Phil, can you shed any light? > > Paul Vigay writes: > > I then followed Phil Norman's text (all the various Linux commands etc in his > > install file. I presume the line > > > > mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb3 hd > > > > should refer to /dev/dha3 and not b3, which gives an error. This is true. There are a few mistakes in the guide which I'll fix very soon. > > Also, I presume the four lines; > > tar -xvf /adfs/ARMLinux/base.tar > > tar -xvf /adfs/ARMLinux/instim.tar > > cd .. > > tar -xvf /adfs/ARMLinux/instim.tar > > > > are correct - ie. the instim.tar gets extracted twice. Yep. For some bizarre reason the RedHat installer wants instimage in both RedHat/ and /. I've been told that this isn't the case and it only actually has to be in one place, but when I tried it with only one copy of instimage it kept breaking. > > Leaving as /dev/hda3 and a directory of / results in about 500 error messages > > being given, each of which I can bypass by pressing f12. These appear to be > > file not found type errors. Pressing f12 right though them results in getting Yes. I have no idea what this is. I found that there are two RPMs with different versions of ncftp. Removing the older version before installing, I found, results in far fewer complaints but as far as I know these complaints are harmless and should not break anything or result in an unworking installation. The error messages I know of go something like: Error: at line I think they look like that; it's a fair few weeks since I last reinstalled armlinux so I can't remember. > > At which point I don't appear to have a /mnt/bin/sync so I can't resync the > > drive before I CTRL-ALT-DEL which then reults in !Linux giving the 'invalid > > bmap magic.....' error (FAQ 3.4). Ouch. Sync should definately be there. If it's not, do 'ls -alR /' a few times to flush the cache out. It might not be entirely successful so try doing anything else which requires oodles of memory. As long as you flush out all the unwritten data from the write-buffer your filesystem should be fine. However, if you don't have sync something is badly wrong. Are you sure you've installed everything? Sync might be in fileutils - I'm not sure, but make sure you have all the base stuff and sync should be there. I hope this was some help. If you have any more problems please let me know. -- Rule of programming #1: Everything that can go wrong will go wrong, except when you're running the debugger. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 18:08:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27471 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:08:04 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24400 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:08:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11272 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10501-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:07:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970983-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:15:39 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:14292 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971102-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:10:09 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09513 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:54:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:54:08 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Why Linux ARM In-Reply-To: <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E83D5@staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 steve@gas.co.uk wrote: > Am I missing the point ? Is Java going to give me something > Win32 can't ? If you'd just bought a high-spec PC you'd cripple it with Win32. Now if you were going to be installing linux on it, then I'd understand. -- Rule of programming #1: Everything that can go wrong will go wrong, except when you're running the debugger. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 18:15:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27489 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:15:06 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24404 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:15:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:52769 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10517-3796>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:14:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970999-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:15:46 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:23125 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971139-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:14:18 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27439; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:57:42 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807011657.RAA27439@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux To: sce196@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sam Ellis) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:57:41 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sam Ellis" at Jul 1, 98 10:04:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Sam Ellis > However, Linux doesn't seems to have found the partitions on the hard > drive. RedHat reports that there is no swap file, and using the 'p' option > in fdisk lists no partition whatsoever - not even the filecore one. `fdisk' doesn't work. Boot back to RISC OS and tell us what partitions you set up with partman. In particular, we need to know things like sizes, and partition numbers. -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 18:15:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27493 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:15:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24407 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:15:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:52769 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11200-15808>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:14:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971003-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:15:51 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:14794 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971149-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:14:30 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09614 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:58:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:58:28 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, John Vickers wrote: > > But your scheme handles the halfword thing already ! (Which seems a lot > more of an issue than swp, which only affects ancient machines, > and is even then a bit obscure for user code). Actually, SWP is really a Bad Thing (TM) for future technologies. SWP, for some reason, bypasses the cache. This generates BIG problems if you have multiple processors. SWP bypassing the cache is especially bad since it means there isn't an atomic instruction for swapping if you want multiprocessing to work properly (unless you do kludgy things). So maybe SWP should be avoided altogether? -- Rule of programming #1: Everything that can go wrong will go wrong, except when you're running the debugger. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 18:27:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27538 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:27:15 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24411 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:27:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7226 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10235-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:27:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970949-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:22:49 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:23122 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971058-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:06:55 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27416; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:50:17 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807011650.RAA27416@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Problems with CD-ROM drives To: sce196@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sam Ellis) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:50:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sam Ellis" at Jul 1, 98 10:04:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Sam Ellis > > Hi, I've had a number of problems when installing ARM Linux. > > When linux is started using the -bootkernel argument, it gets stuck after > noticing the CD-ROM drive. The CDROM drive is connected as a slave on > the RiscPCs built-in IDE bus. Linux prints: > > hda: ST34342A, 4103MB w/128kB Cache, CHS=8894/15/63 > hdb: MATSHITA CR0584, ATAPI CDROM drive > > Then nothing else occurs, and the cursor stops flashing. > > When I unplug the CDROM from the IDE bus, Linux has no troubles, and I > successfully manage to get to the RedHat installer. Ook. This is the second bug report about CD ROM drives causing hangs on boot. dkscully, what manufacturer was your CD-ROM drive? -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 18:42:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27608 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:50 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24419 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:43:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32353 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11002-3796>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:43:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970908-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:53:46 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48]:4711 "EHLO irwell.zetnet.co.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971129-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:48:41 -0400 Received: from [194.247.40.226] (man-178.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.226]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25283 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:32:28 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: jjf@zetnet.co.uk (JJF) Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:14:30 +0100 Message-ID: <19980701.181430.19@zetnet.co.uk> Organization: Internet Access supplied by Zetnet X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.42 (Acorn RISC OS) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO In a message sent at Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:43 +0100 (BST), Sam Ellis (sce196@ecs.soton.ac.uk) said: > When linux is started using the -bootkernel argument, it gets stuck after > noticing the CD-ROM drive. The CDROM drive is connected as a slave on > the RiscPCs built-in IDE bus. Linux prints: > > hda: ST34342A, 4103MB w/128kB Cache, CHS=8894/15/63 > hdb: MATSHITA CR0584, ATAPI CDROM drive > > Then nothing else occurs, and the cursor stops flashing. > > When I unplug the CDROM from the IDE bus, Linux has no troubles, and I > successfully manage to get to the RedHat installer. I'm experiencing exactly the same problem with the CDROM drive, so if anyone who knows the answer could Cc it to me, I'd be very grateful, as I have a second slice and unplugging the CDROM drive is _very_ fiddly. Thankfully, after waiting the last six months to get my second hard disc working, now I've got enough disc space it's only taken me one day to install Linux, and pretty painless it was too! My sincerest thankings to everyone involved in writing the documentation that allowed even a complete dummy like me to get it working. Cheers, JJF. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 18:43:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27612 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:43:07 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24422 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:43:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32353 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10362-3796>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:43:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971017-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:50:16 -0400 Received: from cptsg4.univ-mrs.fr ([139.124.7.104]:11131 "HELO cptsg4" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971091-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:47:29 -0400 Received: from cptsg4 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cptsg4 (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA12154 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:28:53 +0200 Message-ID: <359A71D5.2F1C@cpt.univ-mrs.fr> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:28:53 +0200 From: Vincent PENNE Organization: Centre de Physique Theorique de Marseille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; IRIX64 6.2 IP28) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO I wonder, is it the right place where to speak about ELF ? Are there anybody out there trying also to build these ELF tools ? Does anybody except Philip Blundell has succeeded in builing them on his RiscPC computer ? Vincent. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 19:19:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27716 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:19:03 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24427 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:19:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11322 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10441-15808>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:19:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971138-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:32:45 -0400 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]:48502 "HELO golden.argonet.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971156-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:15:13 -0400 Received: from (argbr88) [193.130.246.69] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrRA5-0004Zm-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:59:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dana K Scully To: Linux-arm mailing list Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:58:20 +0100 Message-ID: <485ef093b0dkscully@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Problems with CD-ROM drives In-Reply-To: <199807011650.RAA27416@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 01 Jul, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Sam Ellis > > > > hda: ST34342A, 4103MB w/128kB Cache, CHS=8894/15/63 > > hdb: MATSHITA CR0584, ATAPI CDROM drive > > > > Then nothing else occurs, and the cursor stops flashing. > > > > When I unplug the CDROM from the IDE bus, Linux has no troubles, and I > > successfully manage to get to the RedHat installer. > Ook. This is the second bug report about CD ROM drives causing hangs on > boot. dkscully, what manufacturer was your CD-ROM drive? This is the indeed the one, Matthew. * 90% of everything is crud. -- | |\/| / BSc (Hons) Chemistry (So'ton), ZFC A (Sc) |__esley | |itchell / dkscully@argonet.co.uk A woman of many talents. :) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 19:21:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27720 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:21:09 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24431 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:21:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11322 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10617-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:21:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970908-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:25:29 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:23783 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971124-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:08:11 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27646; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:51:36 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807011751.SAA27646@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Error report for ELF To: penne@cptsu5.univ-mrs.fr (Vincent PENNE) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:51:35 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <359A71D5.2F1C@cpt.univ-mrs.fr> from "Vincent PENNE" at Jul 1, 98 07:28:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Vincent PENNE > > I wonder, > is it the right place where to speak about ELF ? Are there anybody out > there trying also to build these ELF tools ? Does anybody except Philip > Blundell has succeeded in builing them on his RiscPC computer ? Phil Norman and myself have also been trying them - did you miss our post? I've been busy of late, but I should be back into it next week. -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 19:27:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27739 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:27:42 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24439 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:28:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11322 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11077-9853>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:26:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971071-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:25:41 -0400 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]:48453 "HELO golden.argonet.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971154-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:21 -0400 Received: from (argbr88) [193.130.246.69] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrR69-0004Uy-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:55:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dana K Scully To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:55:00 +0100 Message-ID: <485ef045a2dkscully@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 01 Jul, Sam Ellis wrote: > hdb: MATSHITA CR0584, ATAPI CDROM drive This is the same CD drive that has been causing me to loose hair. I suspect that it must be the drive. Evil. L * You can't get to Heaven on roller skates. -- | |\/| / BSc (Hons) Chemistry (So'ton), ZFC A (Sc) |__esley | |itchell / dkscully@argonet.co.uk A woman of many talents. :) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 19:51:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27777 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:51:21 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24449 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:51:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54300 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10338-15808>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:50:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971058-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:00:08 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2502 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971270-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:24 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yrRC6-0002io-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:01:22 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Richard Bradbury cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 16:33:18 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:01:21 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Will "uname -p" return the actual CPU model?, viz: Let's worry about one thing at a time. I agree that having that behaviour is desirable but it's a lot less urgent. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 19:56:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27792 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:56:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24454 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:57:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14127 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11019-14900>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:55:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971119-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:00:23 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2502 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971271-3822>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:40 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yrRHA-0002lp-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:36 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Vincent PENNE cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:28:53 +0200." <359A71D5.2F1C@cpt.univ-mrs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:06:36 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >is it the right place where to speak about ELF ? I think there is a specific list, but this one will probably do as well. >there trying also to build these ELF tools ? Does anybody except Philip >Blundell has succeeded in builing them on his RiscPC computer ? I must admit I haven't even tried a native build yet. I believe the Corel guys do things that way, though. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 22:50:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27999 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:50:41 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24489 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:51:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50698 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10425-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:50:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970960-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:02:03 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2531 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971109-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:01:05 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yrS31-0002sy-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:56:03 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: unaligned Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:56:03 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO As a brief distraction from the joys of uname, I'd like to talk about unaligned accesses. Currently we don't trap on unaligned accesses and let the CPU do its own thing. ARM2 and ARM3 cpus _can't_ trap these accesses, and compatibility was the original rationale for doing things that way. However, since the majority of machines running Linux these days are almost certainly based on newer CPUs, it might be time to think again. The advantage of trapping unaligned accesses is that it reduces the number of ARM-specific hacks that are needed. Various bits of the kernel assume that unaligned accesses will be fixed up to do the right thing; the networking code in particular relies on this for all cases to work. It's possible to fudge most things to work without but there is a cost in terms of both performance and neatness of code. Also, user-space programs sometimes don't take enough care over unaligned accesses. Even if we decide not to emulate them for that case it would still be a useful diagnostic to allow the process to receive SIGBUS if it performed a bad access. The disadvantage is that (a) we lose backwards compatibility, and (b) we have to use -mshort-load-bytes to stop GCC trying to be too clever. In practice we have to do (b) anyway for the kernel so this is no hardship. The move to ELF and 32-bit binaries also means that backwards compatibility doesn't need to be too much of a concern; it would be possible to arrange for accesses to be trapped or not on a per-process basis, so a.out binaries and ELF ones that so desired could be run in non-trapping mode while the rest would trap. 26-bit machines would obviously have to go on much as they are. In the kernel this means that the fudges that are currently #ifdef __arm__ would just become #if defined(__arm__) && defined(__APCS_26__). What do people think? p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 22:53:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA28003 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:53:15 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24494 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:53:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50698 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10388-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:53:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970981-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:02:15 -0400 Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.32.20]:45293 "EHLO smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971020-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:55:12 -0400 Received: from rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.88.27]) by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <513066-134>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:38:29 -0400 Message-ID: <359A7867.4C5C9BFB@rogers.wave.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:56:57 -0400 From: Pat Beirne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell wrote: > I must admit I haven't even tried a native build yet. I believe the Corel > guys do things that way, though. Yes, we do. Our version of the source tree will be posted through our NetWinder CVS system. You can register with netwinder.org to get an account. Pat CCC unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 23:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28031 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:13:15 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24506 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:13:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25608 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11006-15808>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:12:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970894-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:25:49 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1542 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971054-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:12:32 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA13688; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:56:47 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807012156.WAA13688@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: unaligned To: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:56:46 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 1, 98 07:56:03 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > The advantage of trapping unaligned accesses is that it reduces the number of > ARM-specific hacks that are needed. Various bits of the kernel assume that Its also a performance win big time to make the traps rare and to avoid handling the entire world badly egcs supports generating code that loads attribute(unaligned) fields with "safe" instructions. What I discussed on the phone with Russ was tweaking that a bit so its inheritable from variables - ie so we can write struct iphdr __unaligned *x=(struct iphdr __unaligned *)skb->h.raw; for the platforms its a problem Alan unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 23:39:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28043 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:39:01 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24510 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:39:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63815 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10898-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:38:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971128-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:49:21 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:35899 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971051-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:27:43 -0400 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrV6h-0003U2-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:12:04 +0000 Message-ID: <359A810E.1DA586DC@causality.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:33:50 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Norman CC: ARM Linux Subject: Re: ARM and RPM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Phil Norman wrote: > Actually, SWP is really a Bad Thing (TM) for future technologies. SWP, > for some reason, bypasses the cache. This generates BIG problems if you > have multiple processors. SWP bypassing the cache is especially bad since > it means there isn't an atomic instruction for swapping if you want > multiprocessing to work properly (unless you do kludgy things). So maybe > SWP should be avoided altogether? Whaaaat? Can you tell me how it would work if it *didn't* bypass the cache? Regards, Neil -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 23:39:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28047 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:39:16 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24514 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:39:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63815 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11220-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:39:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971030-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:50:07 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:35908 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971045-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:27:57 -0400 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrV6k-0003UB-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:12:07 +0000 Message-ID: <359AA652.656E672D@causality.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 22:12:50 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steve@gas.co.uk CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Why Linux ARM References: <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E83D5@staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO steve@gas.co.uk wrote: > But, Intel hardware is just so cheap now, why would I buy > a Corel Workstation at 800 pounds, when I can get a First f all, are they really 800 quid? I didn't think so... I thought they were substantially less than this. Maybe onlpy in quantity, I dunno really. > PII 266 for 200 > M/Board for 120 Make that 30% less. > 128Meg Ram 128 > Ethernet Card 50 Make that 25. > Soundcard 50 Make that 20. > Box 50 Make that 30. > Graphics TNT 180 Make that 20% less. > 6meg Disk 170 Make that 140. > so for 948 do I get a machine that smokes the Corel , looks > like ? Yes, but it's for a different usage. For example, ti doesn't fit as nicelyt on a desk as a Corel system, doesn't provide the telephone/capture stuff, and doesn't fit as nicely into a networked environment. It also is bigger, uses more power, and is more expensive to deploy in large numbers. > Am I missing the point ? Is Java going to give me something > Win32 can't ? Yes, it is a network computer, not a PC. > The idea of Linux+Smart Hardware is attractive, but > the hardware has to be either a) cheaper than Intel > or b) faster than Intel If you want _just_a_linux_box_ and you aren't interested in the architecture from a technical standpoint, get a PC. > Is strongarm faster than PII ? going to be faster than PII ? No for first part, and can't comment for second. Sorry, maybe I shouldn't copy this back. -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 23:42:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28051 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:42:30 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24518 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:43:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63815 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10898-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:42:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971078-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:50:41 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:19541 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971094-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:34:24 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA12210; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:18:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:18:41 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: "Neil A. Carson" cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-Reply-To: <359A810E.1DA586DC@causality.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Neil A. Carson wrote: > Phil Norman wrote: > > > Actually, SWP is really a Bad Thing (TM) for future technologies. SWP, > > for some reason, bypasses the cache. This generates BIG problems if you > > have multiple processors. SWP bypassing the cache is especially bad since > > it means there isn't an atomic instruction for swapping if you want > > multiprocessing to work properly (unless you do kludgy things). So maybe > > SWP should be avoided altogether? > > Whaaaat? Can you tell me how it would work if it *didn't* bypass the > cache? I'm not a great expert on hardware so I don't know. However, the fact remains that this is a problem. -- Rule of programming #5: If a C program gives more than 50 compiler errors, you've missed out a semicolon. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 23:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28060 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:50:10 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24539 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:50:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28520 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10262-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:48:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971086-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:03:49 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2570 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971040-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:00:04 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yrVVg-0005Ql-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:37:52 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Alan Cox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: unaligned In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 22:56:46 BST." <199807012156.WAA13688@snowcrash.cymru.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:37:52 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Its also a performance win big time to make the traps rare and to avoid >handling the entire world badly Sure, but I think there are places where the traps will be handy. >egcs supports generating code that loads attribute(unaligned) fields >with "safe" instructions. What I discussed on the phone with Russ was >tweaking that a bit so its inheritable from variables - ie so we can >write > > struct iphdr __unaligned *x=(struct iphdr __unaligned *)skb->h.raw; > > >for the platforms its a problem That looks like a handy trick - it would be good for the ethernet header situation for example. But loading a 32-bit word a byte at a time (which is the only safe way) is quite a big hit - it takes something like eight instructions and an extra register. I'm not convinced we want to do that for all the IP headers just on the offchance - the unaligned cases are usually slowish or rare ones anyway, like PPP or IP-in-weirdo-protocol encapsulation. Anybody who cares about performance will make sure the IP header is aligned anyway. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 23:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28061 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:50:11 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24542 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:50:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28520 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10862-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:49:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971024-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:04:02 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2579 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971078-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:01:49 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yrVXg-0005S8-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:39:56 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Phil Norman cc: "Neil A. Carson" , ARM Linux Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:18:41 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:39:55 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >I'm not a great expert on hardware so I don't know. However, the fact >remains that this is a problem. Why do you think it's a problem? p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 23:54:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28067 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:54:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24562 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:55:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10352 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10429-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:54:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971051-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:09:49 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1078 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971030-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:08:47 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id XAA14624; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:53:10 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807012253.XAA14624@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: unaligned To: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:53:08 +0100 (BST) Cc: alan@cymru.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 1, 98 11:37:52 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > instructions and an extra register. I'm not convinced we want to do that for > all the IP headers just on the offchance - the unaligned cases are usually > slowish or rare ones anyway, like PPP or IP-in-weirdo-protocol encapsulation. > Anybody who cares about performance will make sure the IP header is aligned > anyway. Anyone who cares about performance will not be running an ARM2/ARM3. Basically apart from the ethernet header quirk fix which is sane there is no ARM2/3 alignment handling crud going into the net code for 2.2 unless theres a way to make it not occur on other platforms and not occur cleanly unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 1 23:59:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28081 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:59:11 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24570 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:59:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10352 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20109-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:59:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971051-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:14:48 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138]:49871 "EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971024-988>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:14:34 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id XAA21152 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:59:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from penelope.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Jul 98 00:00:43 BST Received: from chorlton.house by penelope.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:59:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:47:47 +0100 (BST) From: Kevin Page Subject: Installing from zip To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: K.R.Page X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I have all the RedHat/ARMlinux install sets on a dos zip disc, and I have a scsi zip drive on my RiscPC. Is it possible to install straight from this? (if not, what would be the easiest way to install?) I tried to have a quick play using the supplementary install disc, but the machine hangs at the end of loading the supp. disc. cheers, k. -- Kevin Page - mailto:k.r.page@ecs.soton.ac.uk It wasn't my fault, the big boy did it and ran away.... unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 08:38:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28418 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:38:42 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24625 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:39:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26172 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1637-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:38:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970806-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:52:56 -0400 Received: from gnu.in-berlin.de ([192.109.42.4]:2812 "EHLO mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970804-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:52:41 -0400 Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (root@hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07627 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:37:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yoda!yoda.in-berlin.de!voss@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: by hirsch.in-berlin.de (Smail3.2.0.98) from yoda with uucp id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:37:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yoda.in-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #0) id m0yrfs4-000000C; Thu, 2 Jul 98 07:41 GMT Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:20:13 +0200 From: Stefan Voss To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <359A71D5.2F1C@cpt.univ-mrs.fr> X-Organization: Individual Network (IN), Berlin, Germany X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO In message <359A71D5.2F1C@cpt.univ-mrs.fr>, Vincent Penne wrote: > I wonder, > is it the right place where to speak about ELF ? Are there anybody out > there trying also to build these ELF tools ? Does anybody except Philip > Blundell has succeeded in builing them on his RiscPC computer ? Well, I'm trying to build ELF. I've now successfully build the ELF binutils but have a problem when building the ELF gcc. cccp and cc1 build ok but once cc1 is build it seems to be used for further compilation steps. I get "unresolved symbols" messages for symbols that start with "__". These are ELF symbols, aren't they? a.out object files usually have only one "_", right? BTW, I think this is the right place to speak about ELF. We're starting to move from a.out to ELF so we're likely to see platform specific problems for which this mailing list is the right place. Of course, if we come across an ELF specific (platform independent) problem it should be discussed (also) elsewhere. > > Vincent. Regards, Stefan -- Stefan Voss (voss@yoda.in-berlin.de) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 09:07:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28508 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:07:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24633 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:08:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17237 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1294-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:07:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970860-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 03:17:36 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:21470 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970841-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 03:16:02 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18431 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:00:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:00:58 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: unaligned In-Reply-To: <199807012253.XAA14624@snowcrash.cymru.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Alan Cox wrote: > Anyone who cares about performance will not be running an ARM2/ARM3. No, that's the wrong way round. People running an ARM2/ARM3 care MORE about performance. Please don't assume that anyone not running a high-spec machine (if you can call any Acorns high-spec; please don't flame for that one) is doing so out of choice. -- Rule of programming #5: If a C program gives more than 50 compiler errors, you've missed out a semicolon. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 09:17:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28544 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:17:12 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24637 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:17:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17237 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19467-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:15:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970864-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 03:23:51 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:21525 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970835-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 03:23:22 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18517 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:08:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:08:17 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > >I'm not a great expert on hardware so I don't know. However, the fact > >remains that this is a problem. > > Why do you think it's a problem? As I mentioned in my first reply on this thread, because SWP is an exceptionally useful instruction for changing the state of processes etc atomically. However, in multiprocessor situations (ie possibly the coming Pheoble^H^He) because it bypasses the cache, any trans-processor talking which is implemented in order that the different processor caches are kept up to date with each other, won't work. I'm not amazingly sure about the details of this, but I think that's about right. -- Rule of programming #5: If a C program gives more than 50 compiler errors, you've missed out a semicolon. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 09:32:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28565 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:32:03 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24641 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:32:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17237 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19622-15808>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:30:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970862-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 03:43:33 -0400 Received: from hikmail2.fzk.de ([141.52.2.5]:38150 "HELO hikmail2.fzk.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970899-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 03:43:16 -0400 Received: from lan008070 (actually lan008070.fzk.de) by hikmail2 with Local-SMTP (PP); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:28:04 +0200 From: Roland Fritz Organization: Rudolph&Rohnacher To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:28:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Partman Reply-to: roland@hik.fzk.de X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Message-ID: <"hikmail2.f.910:02.07.98.08.28.14"@hikmail2.fzk.de> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi all! I was looking for !Partman on th ftp and only found partman.nowrite.arc Is there a writing !Partman or do I have to use my PC for partitioning :-) Roland. ========================================================= Roland Fritz roland@hik.fzk.de Magdeburger Ring 29 76344 Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen Germany ========================================================= unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 09:52:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28582 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:52:21 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24650 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35405 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1622-15808>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:52:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970866-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:07:07 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:6665 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970840-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:06:56 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrewz-0000Q2-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:42:41 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrewy-0006aE-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:42:40 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Phil Norman cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: unaligned In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:00:58 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:42:40 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >No, that's the wrong way round. People running an ARM2/ARM3 care MORE >about performance. Please don't assume that anyone not running a Then it's up to them to optimise the code. The ARM2 is a ten-year-old design and very much in the minority these days. It's not reasonable to cripple every other processor for the sake of that one. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 09:52:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28586 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:52:39 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24653 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35405 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19624-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:53:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970840-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:07:09 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:6662 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970853-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:06:56 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrevt-0000Py-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:41:33 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrevr-0006Zy-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:41:31 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Alan Cox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: unaligned In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:53:08 BST." <199807012253.XAA14624@snowcrash.cymru.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:41:31 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Anyone who cares about performance will not be running an ARM2/ARM3. Of course. I thought you were saying that you thought the __unaligned__ trick was a better solution than alignment traps (which ARM3 doesn't have either). p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 09:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28590 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:52:49 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24656 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35405 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19604-15808>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:53:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970860-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:07:32 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:6667 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970861-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:07:04 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yreuX-0000Ph-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:40:09 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yreuW-0006Zi-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:40:08 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Voss cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:20:13 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:40:07 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >cccp and cc1 build ok but once cc1 is build it seems to be used for >further compilation steps. I get "unresolved symbols" messages for symbols >that start with "__". These are ELF symbols, aren't they? a.out object >files usually have only one "_", right? No; ELF symbols have _no_ leading underscore. The `__' symbols are probably functions in libgcc. If you post the actual messages I might be able to guess what's wrong. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 10:33:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28677 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:33:04 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24668 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:33:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7952 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10898-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:33:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970871-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:47:40 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:24589 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970840-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:47:13 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA19526; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:31:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:31:48 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: Roland Fritz cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Partman In-Reply-To: <"hikmail2.f.910:02.07.98.08.28.14"@hikmail2.fzk.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Roland Fritz wrote: > Hi all! > > I was looking for !Partman on th ftp and only found partman.nowrite.arc > Is there a writing !Partman or do I have to use my PC for partitioning :-) Yep, the no-write partman would be a testing version which has writing disabled in case anything goes horribly wrong. There are working read/write versions available from the armlinux ftp site: ftp.arm.uk.linux.org/pub/armlinux/distrib/riscos You'll find, in there, a whole set of different partman applications. It's probably best to get the latest, although occasionally earlier versions work where newer ones do not. This is odd and I've no idea why it is the case. Don't use a PC to partition your HD unless it's not going to have a FileCore partition on it at all. Your average PC won't understand Acorn's 'partitioning system' (ahem ahem) so you'll certainly need PartMan. PartMan is nice anyway. -- Rule of programming #5: If a C program gives more than 50 compiler errors, you've missed out a semicolon. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 10:46:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28759 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:46:55 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24672 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27152 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1617-15808>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:47:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970860-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:01:47 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1126 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970840-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:01:34 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA22331; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:46:39 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14294; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:41:25 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA00386; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:42:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199807020942.KAA00386@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: unaligned To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:42:24 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 2, 98 09:42:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > >No, that's the wrong way round. People running an ARM2/ARM3 care MORE > >about performance. Please don't assume that anyone not running a > > Then it's up to them to optimise the code. The ARM2 is a ten-year-old design > and very much in the minority these days. It's not reasonable to cripple > every other processor for the sake of that one. There is already some code around that implements the unaligned access traps, and I'm waiting to receive it. Hence, as far as I am concerned, the unaligned access situation is settled for ARM6 and up. However, this does cause certain problems with the older machines. Since the kernel is complied differently for the ARM2/ARM3 machines, the use of Alan's '__unaligned' proposal seems to be the best solution *if* you need to do it. The only time that you *need* to do it is if you're running something like AX.25 or IPX on one of these machines, which I think is highly unlikely. The only area therefore that I feel is worthy of discussion is: should we allow user code to perform unaligned accesses? I feel that although it may improve performance a little to do this, but userland should not be so dependent on the alignment of structures. If it is, then it is bad programming practice, and the code itself should be fixed. After all, userland doesn't access hardware - that's the kernel's job. Take DOOM for instance: ok, it's a game, but it uses structures to access a WAD file, and it expects the structures to be of certain size and packed the way it wants them to be. Since the reading of the WAD file is *not* in the main game loop, it doesn't matter if it takes a couple of ms longer to read the file, especially when reading the WAD file is expensive anyway. The fixes for this are quite trivial (I've done them already for the version on the FTP site). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 10:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28778 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:49:30 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24676 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:50:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60176 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10630-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:49:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970871-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:04:02 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:30324 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970835-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:03:18 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28766; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:36 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807020947.KAA28766@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: neil@causality.com (Neil A. Carson) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:35 +0100 (BST) Cc: phil@oregan.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <359A810E.1DA586DC@causality.com> from "Neil A. Carson" at Jul 1, 98 07:33:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Neil A. Carson > > Phil Norman wrote: > > > Actually, SWP is really a Bad Thing (TM) for future technologies. SWP, > > for some reason, bypasses the cache. This generates BIG problems if you > > have multiple processors. SWP bypassing the cache is especially bad since > > it means there isn't an atomic instruction for swapping if you want > > multiprocessing to work properly (unless you do kludgy things). So maybe > > SWP should be avoided altogether? > > Whaaaat? Can you tell me how it would work if it *didn't* bypass the > cache? Okay, this is partly my fault: I seem to have explained the problem to Phil imperfectly. SWP was defined to be an indivisible load-and-store instruction to allow for mutexes to be implemented efficiently. In order to work with SMP systems, it _must_ bypass the cache, irrespective of the setting of the cacheable bits and this is how it works on the ARM3, ARM610 and ARM710. The Really Bad Thing is that on StrongARM, SWP does _not_ bypass the cache, which makes life harder for SMP systems. Of course, this isn't the only `interesting' feature of the StrongARM's cache, but this has been discussed ad nauseam previously on this list and those who are interested may grep the archives. One work-around is to put all semaphores in an uncached page. Another is to disable the data cache entirely and put a shared discrete cache on your SMP processor card, as Acorn are rumoured to be doing for Phoeb[l]e. If I've misheard a rumour, I'd like to apologise now and hope that someone will correct me authoritatively. -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 11:15:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28830 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:14:59 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24691 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:15:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40738 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10889-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:14:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970835-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:28:19 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:30708 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970899-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:27:52 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA28816; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:12:12 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807021012.LAA28816@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: unaligned To: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:12:11 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 1, 98 07:56:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell > Currently we don't trap on unaligned accesses and let the CPU do its own > thing. ARM2 and ARM3 cpus _can't_ trap these accesses, and compatibility > was the original rationale for doing things that way. However, since the > majority of machines running Linux these days are almost certainly based on > newer CPUs, it might be time to think again. > The disadvantage is that (a) we lose backwards compatibility, and (b) we > have to use -mshort-load-bytes to stop GCC trying to be too clever. In > practice we have to do (b) anyway for the kernel so this is no hardship. Do we actually have to do this? Can the kernel not fix up its own aborts? Okay, there would be a problem if it attempted to take an abort while in abort mode, but to the best of my knowledge, that wouldn't actually happen. > The move to ELF and 32-bit binaries also means that backwards compatibility > doesn't need to be too much of a concern; it would be possible to arrange > for accesses to be trapped or not on a per-process basis, so a.out binaries > and ELF ones that so desired could be run in non-trapping mode while the > rest would trap. > > 26-bit machines would obviously have to go on much as they are. In the > kernel this means that the fudges that are currently #ifdef __arm__ would > just become #if defined(__arm__) && defined(__APCS_26__). I've often thought it would make more sense to actually have 2 distinct Linux ports - a arm26 and arm32 port. There's precedence with the sparc and sparc64 ports. It would clean up a fair bit of stuff, and there's no way you can compile a kernel that will run on both processors. And maybe we should consider the arm26 stuff as similar to the ELKS - fun, but not something which should complicate or otherwise hinder the `serious' stuff. -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From alan@snowcrash.cymru.net Thu Jul 2 11:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28916 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:46:54 +0100 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id LAA23717; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:47:30 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807021047.LAA23717@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:47:30 +0100 (BST) Cc: neil@causality.com, phil@oregan.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199807020947.KAA28766@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Jul 2, 98 10:47:35 am Content-Type: text Status: RO > are interested may grep the archives. One work-around is to put all > semaphores in an uncached page. Another is to disable the data cache Thats actually pretty horrible as soon as you want semaphores in structures For global sempahores its easy. You can use the __initdata type trick and have an __uncached > entirely and put a shared discrete cache on your SMP processor card, > as Acorn are rumoured to be doing for Phoeb[l]e. Shared caches do not work very well from the Intel experience. The biggest single win for PPro over Pentium SMP was the local L2 caches as well as local L1. Having a page for semaphores isnt that uncommon a technique. There are SMP MIPS boards around that actually have an I/O device which is a set of semaphores as the older MIPS couldnt do the job itself directly. From pb@nexus.co.uk Thu Jul 2 11:49:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from globe.nexus.co.uk (nexusel.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.195]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA28921 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:49:14 +0100 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrggJ-0000YF-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:33:36 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrggI-0006rl-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:33:34 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: unaligned In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:12:11 BST." <199807021012.LAA28816@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:33:34 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO >Do we actually have to do this? Can the kernel not fix up its own aborts? It can, yes. The problem with GCC without -mshort-load-bytes is that the behaviour it expects is precisely the behaviour you get if you _don't_ fix up unaligned traps. This allows you to optimise halfword accesses. If you do trap and emulate these accesses then this optimisation stops working - but at the moment we still have to disable the optimisation because it breaks in some situations. >I've often thought it would make more sense to actually have 2 distinct >Linux ports - a arm26 and arm32 port. There's precedence with the sparc >and sparc64 ports. It would clean up a fair bit of stuff, and there's no Actually they're pretty separate in all but name anyway. A lot of the code is already segregated. >way you can compile a kernel that will run on both processors. And maybe >we should consider the arm26 stuff as similar to the ELKS - fun, but not >something which should complicate or otherwise hinder the `serious' stuff. Yes, that's definitely the case. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 12:05:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28942 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:05:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24713 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:05:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:43357 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10900-14900>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:05:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970880-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:19:31 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1534 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970860-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:19:08 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id MAA24130; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:04:17 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807021104.MAA24130@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: unaligned To: phil@oregan.net (Phil Norman) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:04:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Phil Norman" at Jul 2, 98 09:00:58 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > No, that's the wrong way round. People running an ARM2/ARM3 care MORE > about performance. Please don't assume that anyone not running a > high-spec machine (if you can call any Acorns high-spec; please don't > flame for that one) is doing so out of choice. Oh I don't doubt that people are running museum pieces and they care about performance however its not an option to cripple the performance of real machines for the old old CPUs. Where it doesnt impact other processors I really dont care how many clever stunts are pulled. The beauty of teaching egcs __unaligned for the ARM2/3 is you get all the other stuff working as well as Russell's clever stunts in PPP and IP to make those work and nobody else pays anything for the cause. In theory ARM2/3 people can opt to run only IP and not suffer too unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 12:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28992 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:19:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24717 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:20:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:29540 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10907-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:20:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970876-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:34:29 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:9346 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970822-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:34:22 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrhDZ-0000bT-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:07:57 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrhDY-0006uK-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:07:56 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Alan Cox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: unaligned In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:50:21 BST." <199807021050.LAA23791@snowcrash.cymru.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:07:55 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >In pretty much every other platform we don't fix up user space alignment >traps. Alpha does, and I thought others did too. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 12:52:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29032 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:52:03 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24702 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:51:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54613 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10443-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:50:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970912-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:04:59 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:9099 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970904-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:04:42 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrgid-0000YQ-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:35:59 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrgib-0006s1-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:35:57 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: unaligned In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:42:24 BST." <199807020942.KAA00386@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:35:57 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >The only area therefore that I feel is worthy of discussion is: should >we allow user code to perform unaligned accesses? I think we might as well make it at least an option. It doesn't really cost us anything. >I feel that although it may improve performance a little to do this, but >userland should not be so dependent on the alignment of structures. If That's precisely the reason it should be allowed to have unaligned accesses trapped. User code often doesn't know about the ARM's alignment restrictions. OK, this code is badly written, but it's often hard to spot the problem when it happens. As I said, maybe trapping these accesses and delivering SIGBUS would be sufficient. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 12:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29034 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:52:04 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24708 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:51:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54613 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10836-14900>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:51:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970915-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:05:31 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1989 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970911-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:05:15 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id LAA23791; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:50:24 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807021050.LAA23791@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: unaligned To: linux@arm.uk.linux.org (Russell King - ARM Linux Admin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:50:21 +0100 (BST) Cc: pb@nexus.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199807020942.KAA00386@raistlin.armlinux.org> from "Russell King - ARM Linux Admin" at Jul 2, 98 10:42:24 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > Since the kernel is complied differently for the ARM2/ARM3 machines, the > use of Alan's '__unaligned' proposal seems to be the best solution *if* > you need to do it. The only time that you *need* to do it is if you're > running something like AX.25 or IPX on one of these machines, which I > think is highly unlikely. > Its basically a way of saying "Go away here is how you handle it" to whoever is strange enough to want to fix the ARM2/3 code > I feel that although it may improve performance a little to do this, but > userland should not be so dependent on the alignment of structures. If > it is, then it is bad programming practice, and the code itself should > be fixed. After all, userland doesn't access hardware - that's the kernel's > job. In pretty much every other platform we don't fix up user space alignment traps. In fact we do the reverse - we emulate things like byte instructions the later Alpha CPU's have on the old Alpha or so it seems from the code. Encourage people to write to the faster cpus. Alan unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 13:44:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29072 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:44:42 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24730 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:45:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54295 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19610-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970966-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:51:41 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1341 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971014-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:51:07 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup3.cymru.net [163.164.160.67]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA25689; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:31:53 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14798; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:56:42 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA00452; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:57:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199807021157.MAA00452@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: unaligned To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:57:33 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 2, 98 11:35:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > >The only area therefore that I feel is worthy of discussion is: should > >we allow user code to perform unaligned accesses? > > I think we might as well make it at least an option. It doesn't really cost > us anything. > > >I feel that although it may improve performance a little to do this, but > >userland should not be so dependent on the alignment of structures. If > > That's precisely the reason it should be allowed to have unaligned accesses > trapped. User code often doesn't know about the ARM's alignment restrictions. > OK, this code is badly written, but it's often hard to spot the problem when > it happens. As I said, maybe trapping these accesses and delivering SIGBUS > would be sufficient. That is what I was thinking about doing, however, here are a few interesting points to note: 1) The kernel may be able to handle unaligned accesses correctly. 2) If you allow a user program to perform unaligned accesses, and get the right result, then it allows people to write such programs. If these programs are then run on a CPU without unaligned accesses enabled, then the errors could go undetected. However, since we're *all* (;)) going to be using the RPM format, and we're not going to use Slackware (are we), it won't cause a problem because you can't install an ARM6 RPM on an ARM3 machine. I don't think so! (I'm sorry, am I presuming too much here?) 3) These is a small catch here: user programs already use unaligned accesses, and they do expect a certain action to happen. For example, a simple test case on GCC 2.7.2.2: struct { unsigned short t1; unsigned short t2; } *v; int test () { return v->t1 * v->t2; } Produces: gcc -S test.c -o - _test: mov ip, sp stmfd sp!, {fp, ip, lr, pc} ldr r3, [pc, #LC0 - . - 8] sub fp, ip, #4 ldr r3, [r3, #0] ldr r2, [r3, #0] @ movhi mov r2, r2, asl #16 mov r2, r2, lsr #16 ldr r3, [r3, #2] @ movhi <--------------- mov r3, r3, asl #16 mov r3, r3, lsr #16 mul r0, r3, r2 ldmea fp, {fp, sp, pc}^ .comm _v, 4 @ 4 an unaligned access that will be SIGBUS'd. This means that potentially turning on the unaligned access trap could have a huge unwanted impact on the user programs. Ok, so someone's going to say that GCC 2.8.1 can use -mload-short-bytes, *but* there are a lot of binaries out there at the moment which have been compiled by GCC 2.7.2.2. Unaligned access is not as clear-cut as it ought to be, and I believe that it will be some time before we can use the unaligned access trap to full advantage. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 14:01:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29083 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:00:59 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24738 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59706 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10717-14900>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:59:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970982-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:11:10 -0400 Received: from relay1.mail.uk.psi.net ([154.32.105.6]:56331 "HELO relay1.mail.uk.psi.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971031-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:59:44 -0400 Received: from ftp.gas.co.uk [193.114.35.5] by relay1.mail.uk.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrijA-0007Wp-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:44:40 +0100 Received: from staines-mime.trading.centrica.com by ftp.gas.co.uk via smtpd (for relay1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.6]) with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 12:40:42 UT Received: from staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com (unverified [128.1.144.1]) by staines-mime.trading.centrica.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:44:02 +0100 Received: by staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:44:29 +0100 Message-Id: <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E83E2@staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com> From: steve@gas.co.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Corel Computer Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:44:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Has anyone used one of these pizza boxes, does the handset work ? Can you use an Xserver somewhere else, and connect to it remotely and manage it ? Do they boot quickly/nicely ? Is there a Corel Computers List, rather than Linux ARM ? unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 14:10:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29087 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:10:06 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24743 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:10:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59706 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1294-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:10:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970992-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:24:12 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:4177 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970997-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:19:47 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 231 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:05:32 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.100.68]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 267; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:03:40 -0400 Message-ID: <359B8560.1CE79188@corelcomputer.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:04:32 -0400 From: "Scott Bambrough" Organization: Corel Computer Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Blundell CC: Vincent PENNE , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell wrote: > >>is it the right place where to speak about ELF ? > > I must admit I haven't even tried a native build yet. I believe the > Corel guys do things that way, though. > Thats correct. We currently build GCC, binutils, glibc and gdb natively. We also build most of the programs on the NetWinder natively using ELF and the tools Phil provides. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From pkoning@xedia.com Thu Jul 2 14:39:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29106 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:39:25 +0100 Received: from xedia.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQewhi22907; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27442; Thu, 2 Jul 98 09:40:15 EDT Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05588; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:40:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:40:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021340.JAA05588@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM References: <359A810E.1DA586DC@causality.com> <199807020947.KAA28766@odie.barnet.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Status: RO >>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Wilcox writes: Matthew> SWP was defined to be an indivisible load-and-store Matthew> instruction to allow for mutexes to be implemented Matthew> efficiently. In order to work with SMP systems, it _must_ Matthew> bypass the cache, irrespective of the setting of the Matthew> cacheable bits and this is how it works on the ARM3, ARM610 Matthew> and ARM710. The Really Bad Thing is that on StrongARM, SWP Matthew> does _not_ bypass the cache, which makes life harder for SMP Matthew> systems. I don't see why that's bad. It's perfectly reasonable for CPU designers not to put another special case in the logic. After all, if you have a variable that's accessed with SWP (bypassing the cache) AND with any other instruction, it won't work right if the variable is in cached space. Conversely, if you put the variable in uncached space, SWP needs no special handling. Fewer gates taken, which is a Good Thing, especially if those gates are removed from a critical timing path (which may be the case) thereby speeding up everything in the whole processor. Isn't it the rule of RISC to move to software those things that don't absolutely have to be done in hardware? paul From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 14:48:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29119 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:47:59 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24754 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:48:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32032 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1116-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:48:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971024-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:02:15 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:45227 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971034-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:58:04 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23497 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:43:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.42]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21560 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:43:19 +0200 Received: (from shanske@localhost) by aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id PAA68834; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:43:17 +0200 (METDST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:43:17 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF In-Reply-To: <359A71D5.2F1C@cpt.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Vincent PENNE wrote: > I wonder, > is it the right place where to speak about ELF ? Are there anybody out > there trying also to build these ELF tools ? Does anybody except Philip > Blundell has succeeded in builing them on his RiscPC computer ? > I'm currently trying, I had some problems to figure out where to link the kernel includes for compiling glibc. It's compiling now at home while I'm sitting here in the computer cabinet of the university reading my 60 new mails, so I just don't know weather it works or not. I tried binutils-2.9.1.0.6, gcc-2.8.1 (worked fine for now, as cross compiler) and glibc-2.0.94 with the patches mentioned earlier in this list. If gcc get's through, I will try to build a native elf-gcc to see if libc works. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 14:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29123 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:52:39 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24759 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:53:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7726 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2037-15808>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:52:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971045-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:03:12 -0400 Received: from relay5.UU.NET ([192.48.96.15]:4426 "EHLO relay5.UU.NET" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971028-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:02:20 -0400 Received: from xedia.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQewhj25255; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27539; Thu, 2 Jul 98 09:47:54 EDT Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05595; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021347.JAA05595@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: unaligned References: <199807020942.KAA00386@raistlin.armlinux.org> <199807021050.LAA23791@snowcrash.cymru.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >> I feel that although it may improve performance a little to do >> this, but userland should not be so dependent on the alignment of >> structures. If it is, then it is bad programming practice, and >> the code itself should be fixed. After all, userland doesn't >> access hardware - that's the kernel's job. As far as I know, there's a rule about structure alignment in C. It says that things are aligned according to what's in the struct. For example, a struct containing short ints is aligned to (at least) an even address. The compiler makes this happen when it allocates things, AND it is entitled to assume it is true when using pointers to structs of that type. If the assumption is not met, you have to tell the compiler (e.g., by "packed" though "unaligned" is a good addition). Then the compiler is obliged to generate code that doesn't assume alignment. If the programmer omits "packed" or the like, but passes an odd pointer, that's a bug and the fault lies with the programmer. Unfortunately, bugs of that kind are quite common because some popular machines let the programmer get away with them. Those of us using machines that don't do this (I write a lot of MIPS code in daily life) learn or suffer... paul unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 15:10:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29136 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:10:41 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24769 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:11:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31541 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10714-15808>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:10:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970958-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:20:00 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:2020 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971051-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:18:09 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id PAA27426; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:03:25 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807021403.PAA27426@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: unaligned To: pkoning@xedia.com (Paul Koning) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:03:22 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199807021347.JAA05595@tonga.xedia.com> from "Paul Koning" at Jul 2, 98 09:47:40 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > things, AND it is entitled to assume it is true when using pointers to > structs of that type. Yep. Actually the rule is the compiler can do what it damn well pleases with the fields so long as the operations work. In all sane universes that means padding to natural alignments > If the assumption is not met, you have to tell the compiler (e.g., by > "packed" though "unaligned" is a good addition). Then the compiler is > obliged to generate code that doesn't assume alignment. __attribute(packed) doesnt oblige the compiler to generate safe code to access fields. Current egcs is the first to do this. Alan unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 15:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29146 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:21:40 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24778 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:21:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31541 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10884-15808>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:19:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970982-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:30:07 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:53622 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971058-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:22:48 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25611 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.42]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA43810 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:01 +0200 Received: (from shanske@localhost) by aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id QAA78718; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:07:59 +0200 (METDST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:07:59 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Partman In-Reply-To: <"hikmail2.f.910:02.07.98.08.28.14"@hikmail2.fzk.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Roland Fritz wrote: > Hi all! > > I was looking for !Partman on th ftp and only found partman.nowrite.arc > Is there a writing !Partman or do I have to use my PC for partitioning :-) > > Roland. > There certainly *is* a writing partman. I don't know exactly where it is but it may be inside the RedHat directory somewhere. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 15:35:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29180 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:35:17 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24792 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:36:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17426 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10960-14900>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:35:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971051-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:35 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:10800 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971060-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:41:25 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrkEH-0000rQ-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:20:53 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yrkEF-0007Z9-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:20:51 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Paul Koning cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: unaligned In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:47:40 EDT." <199807021347.JAA05595@tonga.xedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 15:20:50 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >As far as I know, there's a rule about structure alignment in C. It >says that things are aligned according to what's in the struct. For >example, a struct containing short ints is aligned to (at least) an >even address. The compiler makes this happen when it allocates That's true. However, there are also ABI rules, and on the ARM the ABI forces 32-bit alignment even for a structure in which all the elements are smaller than that. This is the sort of thing that people don't expect. (We've been through this a few weeks ago, actually.) p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 15:52:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29198 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:52:11 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24774 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:17:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31541 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10284-14900>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:15:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971037-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:20:09 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:52396 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971071-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:19:05 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25309 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:03:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.42]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25058 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:03:37 +0200 Received: (from shanske@localhost) by aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id QAA30352; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:03:35 +0200 (METDST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:03:34 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Installing from zip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Kevin Page wrote: > I have all the RedHat/ARMlinux install sets on a dos zip disc, and I have a > scsi zip drive on my RiscPC. > > Is it possible to install straight from this? (if not, what would be the > easiest way to install?) > > I tried to have a quick play using the supplementary install disc, but the > machine hangs at the end of loading the supp. disc. > > cheers, It should work straight away if the scsi controller is known to linux, meaning that there is a driver. There should be a partition named /dev/sda4 (that's the one for ppa drives) containing the distribution. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 17:37:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29523 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:37:12 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24861 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:37:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14891 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1172-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:37:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971109-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:45:40 -0400 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]:61660 "HELO golden.argonet.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971125-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:41:09 -0400 Received: from (argbr88) [193.130.245.79] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrmC4-00068G-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:26:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dana K Scully To: Linux-arm mailing list Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 15:04:26 +0100 Message-ID: <485f5eff9edkscully@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: ELF help for the uninitiated Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO OK, so the technical ones amongst us are all going on about the problems they're having building ELF (and ELF tools) but, what I could really do with is a simple explanation of: 1) what ELF is 2) what it'll do for me and 3) will there be a simple way of installing it L * Faith goes out through the window when beauty comes in at the door. -- | |\/| / BSc (Hons) Chemistry (So'ton), ZFC A (Sc) |__esley | |itchell / dkscully@argonet.co.uk A woman of many talents. :) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 17:37:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29533 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:37:42 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24864 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:38:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14891 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1819-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:38:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971111-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:45:55 -0400 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]:61661 "HELO golden.argonet.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971131-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:41:46 -0400 Received: from (argbr88) [193.130.245.79] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrmC6-00068G-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:26:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dana K Scully To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 15:05:51 +0100 Message-ID: <485f5f20f1dkscully@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: <485ef045a2dkscully@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 01 Jul, Dana K Scully wrote: > On 01 Jul, Sam Ellis wrote: > > hdb: MATSHITA CR0584, ATAPI CDROM drive > This is the same CD drive that has been causing me to loose hair. I > suspect that it must be the drive. > Evil. OK, so I lied... my drive is actually a MATSHITA CR-585, ATAPI CDROM drive. * The plural of spouse is spice. -- | |\/| / BSc (Hons) Chemistry (So'ton), ZFC A (Sc) |__esley | |itchell / dkscully@argonet.co.uk A woman of many talents. :) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 17:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29561 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:44:49 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24868 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:45:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22070 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2037-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:45:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971116-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:59:19 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:31319 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971114-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:58:55 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA29545; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:43:35 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807021643.RAA29545@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: ELF help for the uninitiated To: dkscully@argonet.co.uk (Dana K Scully) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:43:34 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <485f5eff9edkscully@argonet.co.uk> from "Dana K Scully" at Jul 2, 98 03:04:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > OK, so the technical ones amongst us are all going on about the problems > they're having building ELF (and ELF tools) but, what I could really do > with is a simple explanation of: > 1) what ELF is > 2) what it'll do for me and > 3) will there be a simple way of installing it ELF is a standard for libraries & executables, as opposed to the A.OUT standard which we have at the moment. (almost?) all other Linux ports have had it for a long time. It will give the developers less work to do since we will be more similar to other Linux distributions, meaning we can spend more time fixing arm-specific problems and/or working on generic Linux stuff. I imagine once we have a stable & working ELF toolchain, we will then build a RedHat 5.1 (and a Debian 2.0 ;-) distribution, at which stage all you'll need to do is reinstall ;-) I couldn't possibly put a timescale on how long it will be. -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 17:51:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29611 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:51:10 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24874 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:51:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:39224 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1432-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:51:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970991-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:05:47 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:31326 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970965-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:05:32 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA29601; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:50:17 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807021650.RAA29601@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux To: dkscully@argonet.co.uk (Dana K Scully) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:50:17 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <485f5f20f1dkscully@argonet.co.uk> from "Dana K Scully" at Jul 2, 98 03:05:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Dana K Scully > > On 01 Jul, Dana K Scully wrote: > > On 01 Jul, Sam Ellis wrote: > > > hdb: MATSHITA CR0584, ATAPI CDROM drive > > > This is the same CD drive that has been causing me to loose hair. I > > suspect that it must be the drive. > > > Evil. > > OK, so I lied... my drive is actually a MATSHITA CR-585, ATAPI CDROM drive. Right, so same manufacturer and similar model numbers. The thick plottens. Can any of you try either of these drive models in a PC running Linux, so we can attempt to narrow this down to being architecture specific or independent? -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 20:19:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29753 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:19:16 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24899 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:20:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64299 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10997-3796>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:19:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971174-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:30:49 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138]:57660 "EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971166-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:29:12 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id UAA01152 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:14:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from penelope.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Jul 98 20:16:32 BST Received: from chorlton.house by penelope.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:14:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:14:57 +0100 (BST) From: Kevin Page Subject: Re: Installing from zip To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: K.R.Page X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Thu 02 Jul, Stefan Hanske wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Kevin Page wrote: > > I have all the RedHat/ARMlinux install sets on a dos zip disc, and I have a > > scsi zip drive on my RiscPC. > > Is it possible to install straight from this? (if not, what would be the > > easiest way to install?) > > I tried to have a quick play using the supplementary install disc, but the > > machine hangs at the end of loading the supp. disc. > > It should work straight away if the scsi controller is known to linux, > meaning that there is a driver. There should be a partition named > /dev/sda4 (that's the one for ppa drives) containing the distribution. The cumana scsiII is detected on boot up (but doesn't find any devices?). I've now got the supplemental image loaded (my old copy was corrupted on download :-/ ), but when I go to load the module after the supplemental disk is loaded, the device 'cannot be found on this system'. I presume this is where I specify my scsi card so that I can then access the zip drive as you suggest. Any ideas why this isn't working? cheers, k. P.S. It would be useful if the installation notes mentioned that you need to be in a lower colour mode when linux is booted ;) -- Kevin Page - mailto:k.r.page@ecs.soton.ac.uk It wasn't my fault, the big boy did it and ran away.... unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 21:06:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29809 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:06:42 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24912 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:07:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:51583 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1824-9853>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:06:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971194-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:20:08 -0400 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]:64421 "HELO golden.argonet.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971140-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:15:42 -0400 Received: from (argbr88) [193.130.246.123] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrpXp-0001xH-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:01:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dana K Scully To: Linux-arm mailing list Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:00:50 +0100 Message-ID: <485f7fa087dkscully@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: <199807021650.RAA29601@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 02 Jul, Matthew Wilcox wrote: [snippity my bit] > Right, so same manufacturer and similar model numbers. The thick > plottens. Can any of you try either of these drive models in a PC > running Linux, so we can attempt to narrow this down to being > architecture specific or independent? I'm going to do exactly that this w/e. :) L * Eureka! -- | |\/| / BSc (Hons) Chemistry (So'ton), ZFC A (Sc) |__esley | |itchell / dkscully@argonet.co.uk A woman of many talents. :) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 22:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29914 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:15:46 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24945 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:16:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50477 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1278-3796>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:15:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971231-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:29:28 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:41010 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971240-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:26:25 -0400 Received: from (reinhouse.demon.co.uk) [212.228.88.2] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrqeA-00074H-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:12:05 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by reinhouse.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:10:14 GMT Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:08:43 +0100 From: Timothy Baldwin To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM Message-ID: <485F85D7A9%tim@reinhouse.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199807011406.PAA02878@raistlin.armlinux.org> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO In message <199807011406.PAA02878@raistlin.armlinux.org> Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > 1) Make uname -m more useful, specifically: > > armv1l => ARM2 > armv2l => ARM3, ARM250 > armv3l => arm version 3 little endian (ARM6, ARM7) > armv4l => arm version 4 little endian (StrongARM) > > where 'l' indicates little endian, and 'b' for big endian (if someone > builds such a machine). I would suggest omitting both the 'l' and the 'b' mixed endianess systems, if support ever get coded into the kernel. (At least some hardware is capable, by changing the processor endianess on the fly.) > 2) /proc/cpuinfo changes format, to give more useful information, eg: > > Processor : DEC sa110 rev 1 > BogoMips : 190.34 > Hardware : Acorn-RiscPC > Optimisation : StrongARM > IO Bus : Acorn Would it be helpful and possible to be more specific about the type of Acorn IO Bus? unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 22:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29926 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:23:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24957 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:24:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40773 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1676-15808>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:23:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971151-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:37:32 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:2019 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971234-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:37:12 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA02473; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:22:57 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807022122.WAA02473@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: tim@reinhouse.demon.co.uk (Timothy Baldwin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:22:54 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <485F85D7A9%tim@reinhouse.demon.co.uk> from "Timothy Baldwin" at Jul 2, 98 10:08:43 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > if support ever get coded into the kernel. (At least some hardware is > capable, by changing the processor endianess on the fly.) Well if both get in I guess we use armv3* unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 22:52:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA30024 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:52:22 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24998 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:53:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17504 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10586-3796>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:52:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971248-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:53:25 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2617 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971294-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:50:41 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yrqvh-000859-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:30:09 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Timothy Baldwin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:08:43 BST." <485F85D7A9%tim@reinhouse.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:30:09 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >> IO Bus : Acorn > >Would it be helpful and possible to be more specific about the >type of Acorn IO Bus? Possible yes, but only on the basis of the machine type you configured your kernel for - helpful no. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 23:15:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA30047 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:15:33 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25006 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:16:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26654 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10553-3796>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:15:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971119-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:25:49 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1327 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971326-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:20:51 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA03392; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:06:31 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16755; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:46:28 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA01531; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:47:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199807022147.WAA01531@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: tim@reinhouse.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:47:21 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199807022122.WAA02473@snowcrash.cymru.net> from "Alan Cox" at Jul 2, 98 10:22:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Alan Cox writes: > > if support ever get coded into the kernel. (At least some hardware is > > capable, by changing the processor endianess on the fly.) > > Well if both get in I guess we use armv3* *8-) Seriously tho, it's not a good idea to switch endianess on the fly. Nasty thinks happen. It's about as insane as switching the MMU off on the fly and expecting Linux to carry on working. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 23:16:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA30051 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:16:55 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25009 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:17:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30248 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10553-9853>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:17:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971256-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:26:05 -0400 Received: from [151.196.69.100] ([151.196.69.100]:59113 "EHLO www-dc-09.digiserve.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971270-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:23:30 -0400 Received: from pingu.itl.net ([194.145.12.129]) by www-dc-09.digiserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24961 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980702220403.00665490@digiserve.com> X-Sender: garan@digiserve.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 23:04:03 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Garan Jenkin Subject: Re: Corel Computer X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Can you use an Xserver somewhere else, and connect to it remotely >and manage it ? erm... i'm a newbie, but my understanding of X was that the server is always on the machine you are infront of. Where the client(s) is/are being a different matter. But, I'm probably wrong and don't really care anyway. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 23:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA30055 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:21:37 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25013 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:22:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63291 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1208-15808>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:22:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971080-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:35:37 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1534 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970840-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:32:25 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id XAA03564; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:18:10 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807022218.XAA03564@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: linux@arm.uk.linux.org (Russell King - ARM Linux Admin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:18:08 +0100 (BST) Cc: tim@reinhouse.demon.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199807022147.WAA01531@raistlin.armlinux.org> from "Russell King - ARM Linux Admin" at Jul 2, 98 10:47:21 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > Seriously tho, it's not a good idea to switch endianess on the fly. Nasty > thinks happen. It's about as insane as switching the MMU off on the fly > and expecting Linux to carry on working. The final , never relesed version of RiscOS (the MIPS unix not the acorn one) supported running both endian user mode binaries at once unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 23:22:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA30059 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:21:59 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25016 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:22:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63291 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1272-9853>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:22:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970886-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:36:04 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1623 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971044-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:35:08 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id XAA03613; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:20:50 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807022220.XAA03613@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Corel Computer To: garan@digiserve.com (Garan Jenkin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:20:48 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980702220403.00665490@digiserve.com> from "Garan Jenkin" at Jul 2, 98 11:04:03 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > erm... i'm a newbie, but my understanding of X was that the server is always > on the machine you are infront of. Where the client(s) is/are being a > different matter. But, I'm probably wrong and don't really care anyway. You are right in all the details. You can however have a remote Xserver for some clients that is itself a client for another Xserver (eg Xnest). And you can have an X server which is remote from the display(s) and talks to them over the network via another protocol (eg VNC) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 2 23:59:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA30077 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:59:11 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25058 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:59:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1400-14900>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:59:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970952-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:13:27 -0400 Received: from smtp01.primenet.com ([206.165.6.131]:3189 "EHLO smtp01.primenet.com" ident: "daemon") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970899-988>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:13:23 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23523 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:59:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:59:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199807022259.PAA23523@smtp01.primenet.com> Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204), claiming to be "tp.endtroducing.com" via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd021868; Thu Jul 2 15:56:05 1998 From: "Frank T." Subject: User-not-very-friendly-at-all X-Mailer: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; RiscOS 3.6) X-Animal: dog To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Greetings fellow armlinux users. As this subject suggests, I think people are having trouble installing armlinux, as it seems that Russell, Philip, Matthew etc. see the situation only from the point of view of the highly experienced user. One thing that I think is holding back the development of Armlinux is the fact that it is so damned hard to install. This in turn limits the userbase and so feedback and development are then slowed. And let's face it. Installation is currently really hard, especially if you're hardware isn't completely standard, ie a different IDE disc controller card being used on its own - no acorn ide GASP! How about Russell, you delegate : * Ask someone (who knows what they are on about, like Philip or Matthew) to get going on some serious, well-structured documentation about the installation and use of Armlinux, which is currently lacking in comparison to every other linux/BSD port I've used. * Make the introduction of a vaguely half feasible install method one of the highest priorities on the list, and if you're not interested in this then at least let someone who is contribute. I've not met a hard to install linux system on any of the platforms I've used it on, until I met this. * Release the source code to all the RiscOS tools, Partman, Linux, Writedisc, LinConfig etc. Then people can compile their own versions, with their own hacks to get their (and other peoples) systems working. I'm not moaning, just saying that there are people out there like me who use unix a lot and have done for a while without necessarily knowing the first thing about how it works, nor wanting to either. It just strikes me that this project differs very much from RiscBSD : I have always found RiscBSD very easy to install. If I have found it easy then no doubt others have too, and perhaps this is why it has progressed so well. Software doesn't progress unless it gets used! be nice, frank t. www.endtroducing.com unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From neil@causality.com Fri Jul 3 00:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA30146 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:20:29 +0100 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrsfF-0007UP-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:21:17 +0000 Sender: neil@odie.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <359C1198.368A09AD@causality.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 00:02:48 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Wilcox CC: phil@oregan.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM References: <199807020947.KAA28766@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox wrote: > The Really Bad Thing is that on StrongARM, SWP does _not_ bypass the > cache, which makes life harder for SMP systems. Of course, this isn't > the only `interesting' feature of the StrongARM's cache, but this > has been discussed ad nauseam previously on this list and those who > are interested may grep the archives. One work-around is to put all > semaphores in an uncached page. Another is to disable the data cache > entirely and put a shared discrete cache on your SMP processor card, > as Acorn are rumoured to be doing for Phoeb[l]e. Good description of SWP, much better than mine! Semaphores have to go in an uncached area with SA, I think. Bit silly really---but not impossible. Pretty unlikely I would think. As the bus clock can't run at more than 66MHz on current chips, and the current speed of main memory can exceed this on bursts (100MHz), there's no point in putting a cache on the outside---main memory may just as well be used instead :) If SA could run its external bus at say 200MHz, then I guess one could implement an external cache effectively. However, this is unlikely to happen. This effectively means that efficient SMP with StrongARMs is impossible. > If I've misheard a rumour, I'd like to apologise now and hope that > someone will correct me authoritatively. Not authoritative, just technical :) Regards, Neil -- Neil A. Carson From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 02:20:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA30256 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:20:49 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA25074 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:21:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49977 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1779-3796>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:21:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971072-16154>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:25:27 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:64832 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971008-16154>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:20:58 -0400 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrsfD-0007UJ-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:21:16 +0000 Message-ID: <359C10E3.6878944F@causality.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 23:59:47 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Norman CC: ARM Linux Subject: Re: ARM and RPM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Phil Norman wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > > > >I'm not a great expert on hardware so I don't know. However, the fact > > >remains that this is a problem. > > > > Why do you think it's a problem? > > As I mentioned in my first reply on this thread, because SWP is an > exceptionally useful instruction for changing the state of processes etc > atomically. However, in multiprocessor situations (ie possibly the coming > Pheoble^H^He) because it bypasses the cache, any trans-processor talking > which is implemented in order that the different processor caches are kept > up to date with each other, won't work. > > I'm not amazingly sure about the details of this, but I think that's about > right. Not quite. Normally systems like this need to be able to use atomic read-modify-write or superset TAS (test and set) instructions over a bus to something such as a semaphore, in order to easily gain and release locks (at the lowest level). In order to do this, the bus transaction _has_ to be atomic, which it can't be on an ARM unless it bypasses cache. -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 07:13:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA30365 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:13:38 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25124 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:14:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:9260 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11111-15808>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:14:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971130-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:27:22 -0400 Received: from Clifford.LiveNet.Net ([206.156.5.13]:3245 "EHLO clifford.livenet.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971124-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:26:33 -0400 Received: from livenet.net (shaleh@gestalt.livenet.net [206.156.5.208]) by clifford.livenet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA03364; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359C7648.B97CD366@livenet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 02:12:24 -0400 From: Shaleh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steve@gas.co.uk CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Corel Computer References: <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E83E2@staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO steve@gas.co.uk wrote: > Is there a Corel Computers List, rather than Linux ARM ? Check out www.netwinder.org. I have used and programmed on one. They are rather quick. I have not seen one boot yet. Why is boot time a concern? You do rather infrequently. (At least I do). They aer not pizza boxes, a picture is at netwinder.org. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 11:19:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA30586 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:19:58 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25155 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:20:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:29514 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10324-15808>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:16:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970952-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 05:29:02 -0400 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]:62161 "EHLO holyrood.ed.ac.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970840-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 05:25:46 -0400 Received: from sms.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.250.241]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11478 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:11:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <359CAEBB.3223EC13@sms.ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 11:13:23 +0100 From: micm Reply-To: M.J.Marshall@sms.ed.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all References: <199807022259.PAA23523@smtp01.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Frank T. wrote: > > Greetings fellow armlinux users. Greetings earthling. > As this subject suggests, I think people are having trouble installing armlinux, as it seems that Russell, Philip, Matthew etc. see the situation only from the point of view of the highly experienced user. One thing that I think is holding back the development of Armlinux is the fact that it is so damned hard to install. This in turn limits the userbase and so feedback and development are then slowed. I only had one problem with installing. Didn't seem that hard. And my setup isn't exactly the most standard of setups.... > And let's face it. Installation is currently really hard, especially if you're hardware isn't completely standard, ie a different IDE disc controller card being used on its own - no acorn ide GASP! What's wrong with that? Just partition it with partman, mount it from installer, copy files then install.... > How about Russell, you delegate : > * Ask someone (who knows what they are on about, like Philip or Matthew) to get going on some serious, well-structured documentation about the installation and use of Armlinux, which is currently lacking in comparison to every other linux/BSD port I've used. Phil Norman has some good documents about installing ARMLinux. Perhaps they could be altered to include installing it from downloaded files and then put on the ARMLinux web site.? > * Make the introduction of a vaguely half feasible install method one of the highest priorities on the list, and if you're not interested in this then at least let someone who is contribute. I've not met a hard to install linux system on any of the platforms I've used it on, until I met this. There is no easy way round this, except by writing an entirely new installer. The installer used is the standard Redhat installer, and as such expects to be running on a pc. If you follow Phil's instructions you can get round all the problems with very little effort. > * Release the source code to all the RiscOS tools, Partman, Linux, Writedisc, LinConfig etc. Then people can compile their own versions, with their own hacks to get their (and other peoples) systems working. With the exception of perhaps Partman, I Don't think that this will help too much. > I'm not moaning, just saying that there are people out there like me who use unix a lot and have done for a while without necessarily knowing the first thing about how it works, nor wanting to either. It just strikes me that this project differs very much from RiscBSD : I have always found RiscBSD very easy to install. If I have found it easy then no doubt others have too, and perhaps this is why it has progressed so well. Software doesn't progress unless it gets used! The best this I found was to go to the bookshop and buy one of the books that comes with a linux CD and explains how to install and what to setup once the system has been instaslled. Reading this in conjuction with Phil's notes from the web made it *very* easy to install. As I said, the only problem I had was that Partman wouldn't partition my disc. This was because I had plugged it into a Baildon IDE interface at one point and it had fiddles the partition table. Wiping the drive totally fixed this. > be nice, Tried to. BTW, can you fix your mailer - it ain't formatting to 80 letters/line (mind you, as I'm writing this on a mac in Netscape, I wouldn't be surprised if mine isn't either...). Makes it *really* hard to read :-( > frank t. www.endtroducing.com unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 12:27:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA30757 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:27:50 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25174 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:28:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57628 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10872-15808>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:28:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971065-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 06:39:31 -0400 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.70]:40064 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971072-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 06:37:31 -0400 Received: from dmf20 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0ys3wX-0006K2-00; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:23:53 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:23:53 +0100 (BST) From: David Forbes X-Sender: dmf20@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: micm cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all In-Reply-To: <359CAEBB.3223EC13@sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > > Greetings fellow armlinux users. > > Greetings earthling. Greetings to anyone in neither category... ;-) I've no particular views on most of what's been said in this thread, but a couple of comments do spring to mind: > Phil Norman has some good documents about installing ARMLinux. Perhaps they > could be altered to include installing it from downloaded files and then put > on the ARMLinux web site.? I think the problems that I have seen with documentation (like most large, free, systems undergoing rapid development) is that after a while, there are lingering copies of outdated versions (of, for example the installation instructions) which tend to confuse people. > > * Release the source code to all the RiscOS tools, Partman, Linux, Writedisc, LinConfig etc. Then people can compile their own versions, with their own hacks to get their (and other peoples) systems working. > > With the exception of perhaps Partman, I Don't think that this will help too much. It would have helped me. I had no RAM in my first bank (A7000+, you see), and !Linux does like to load the kernel into your first bank, and will complain otherwise. Without the source code, there was nothing I could do about it (other than install NetBSD, instead). Whilst I recognise that letting everyone have a free-for-all on the source code of these utilities might be counter-productive, it does permit people to modify things (and stand a chance of getting started) if they have not-standard hardware. > system has been instaslled. Reading this in conjuction with Phil's notes from > the web made it *very* easy to install. As I said, the only problem I had was To be fair, I think it's easy to say that things are easy once you've done them. I found NetBSD tricky at first, but now that I've done it, it's trivial. Just my ha'penny's worth. Have fun, David. PS - I'm well aware that sitting here and criticising is a lot easy than doing... unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 13:33:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA30837 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:33:14 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25189 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:34:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59996 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10479-14900>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:32:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971054-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:44:43 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138]:54318 "EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971116-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:39:11 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id NAA22215 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:25:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Jul 98 13:27:11 BST Received: (qmail 2777 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1998 12:25:15 -0000 Received: from leo.ecs.soton.ac.uk (sce196@152.78.65.200) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 3 Jul 1998 12:25:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:25:30 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Ellis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: <199807011657.RAA27439@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Sam Ellis > > However, Linux doesn't seems to have found the partitions on the hard > > drive. RedHat reports that there is no swap file > > Boot back to RISC OS and tell us what partitions > you set up with partman. In particular, we need to know things like > sizes, and partition numbers. Ok, PartMan reports: Part Start End Size Type 1 0 4630499 2261MB Filecore 2 4630500 4630501 1KB Linux Table 3 4630502 8316944 1800MB Linux Native 4 8316945 8404829 43MB Linux Swap This is exactly the same as when I partitioned the drive, so I think PartMan works correctly. Here is some futher info. about what happens when RedHat tries to install: Installer asks which device to install from. I answer 'hard disk'. Installer asks me to choose a hard disk. There is only one choice: /dev/hda # which I select. Installer then says that there is no swap space defined, and would I like to 'Continue' or 'Cancel'. I select 'Continue', and the message 'rebooting' appears. Pressing ALT-F4 at this point reveals: Partition check: hda: [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 < hda 3 hda4 > [snip] FPEmulator copyright..... install2: memory violation at pc=0x00034368, lr=0x80036b68 (bad address=0x00000014, code 3) Sam Ellis. Department of Electronics & Computer Science University of Southampton unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From alan@snowcrash.cymru.net Fri Jul 3 13:52:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA30851 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:52:54 +0100 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id NAA15381; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:53:39 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807031253.NAA15381@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM and RPM To: neil@causality.com (Neil A. Carson) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:53:36 +0100 (BST) Cc: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk, phil@oregan.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <359C1198.368A09AD@causality.com> from "Neil A. Carson" at Jul 3, 98 00:02:48 am Content-Type: text Status: RO > Pretty unlikely I would think. As the bus clock can't run at more than > 66MHz on current chips, and the current speed of main memory can exceed > this on bursts (100MHz), there's no point in putting a cache on the > outside---main memory may just as well be used instead :) If SA could Latency. Its 7 bus clocks to start an SDRAM burst then 1 per read From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 15:45:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA30989 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:45:10 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25237 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:46:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28697 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10598-15808>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:44:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971124-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:57:31 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1877 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971120-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:57:01 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA18136; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:43:19 +0100 Received: from tanis.armlinux.org (tanis [192.168.0.2]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17946; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:08:21 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tanis.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA00224; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:08:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199807031408.PAA00224@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux To: sce196@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sam Ellis) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:08:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sam Ellis" at Jul 3, 98 01:25:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Sam Ellis writes: > Installer asks which device to install from. I answer 'hard disk'. > Installer asks me to choose a hard disk. There is only one choice: > /dev/hda # > which I select. Installer then says that there is no swap space defined, > and would I like to 'Continue' or 'Cancel'. I select 'Continue', and the > message 'rebooting' appears. > > Pressing ALT-F4 at this point reveals: > > Partition check: > hda: [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 < hda 3 hda4 > Are you sure that you're using the latest installation disks? This looks to be like a case of old fdisk on the install disk. The RedHat installer uses fdisk to determine which partitions are available, and if it can't handle the format (old versions didn't know about swap partitions on Filecore disks), then it will say that. You can get the latest disks off the FTP site in ftp://ftp.arm.uk.linux.org/pub/armlinux/distrib/disks _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 15:47:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA30999 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:47:37 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25241 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:48:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36128 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10716-15808>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:47:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971088-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:57:37 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1869 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971116-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:56:57 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA18132; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:43:14 +0100 Received: from tanis.armlinux.org (tanis [192.168.0.2]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17980; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:23:55 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tanis.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA00235; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:23:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199807031423.PAA00235@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all To: M.J.Marshall@sms.ed.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:23:34 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <359CAEBB.3223EC13@sms.ed.ac.uk> from "micm" at Jul 3, 98 11:13:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO micm writes: > Phil Norman has some good documents about installing ARMLinux. Perhaps they > could be altered to include installing it from downloaded files and then put > on the ARMLinux web site.? I do have an admin-by-email system set up and ready to go here for the site. If anyone's interested, let me know and we can sort out the details. It's not too fancy yet, but it'll work for html pages. GIF files and such like will be slightly more painful until I've got the auto- demime/uudecode stuff sorted. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 15:50:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA31007 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:50:12 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25245 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:51:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36128 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10716-9853>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:50:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971116-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:02:57 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1925 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971106-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:57:39 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA18154; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:43:52 +0100 Received: from tanis.armlinux.org (tanis [192.168.0.2]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17935; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:04:34 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tanis.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA00217; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:04:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199807031404.PAA00217@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all To: dmf20@hermes.cam.ac.uk (David Forbes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:04:13 +0100 (BST) Cc: M.J.Marshall@sms.ed.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "David Forbes" at Jul 3, 98 12:23:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO David Forbes writes: > > > * Release the source code to all the RiscOS tools, Partman, > > > > With the exception of perhaps Partman, I Don't think that thi > > It would have helped me. I had no RAM in my first bank (A7000+, you see), > and !Linux does like to load the kernel into your first bank, and will > complain otherwise. Without the source code, there was nothing I could do > about it (other than install NetBSD, instead). Whilst I recognise that > letting everyone have a free-for-all on the source code of these > utilities might be counter-productive, it does permit people to modify > things (and stand a chance of getting started) if they have not-standard > hardware. Unfortunately though, !Linux is not the restriction. Yes, !Linux does load the kernel into the first RAM bank, but it's not a restriction of !Linux itself. !Linux is just ensuring that certain conditions which absolutely have to be met are indeed met. To allow Linux to take over the machine, the kernel must be loaded. Then the machine is cleanly shut down, and then the fun parts start happening. The processors MMU is then turned off. The kernel is then called which self-decompresses. The kernel is not position independent, and so has a fixed address. The fixed address is in the first RAM bank. Hence, if you modified !Linux to load the kernel into the second RAM bank, then you'd find that it doesn't work anyway. I know, you picked a bad example! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 16:41:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA31123 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:41:23 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25266 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:42:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22624 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10631-9853>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:42:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971106-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:55:15 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:62007 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970951-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:54:53 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08684; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:41:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.41]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA44142; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:41:15 +0200 Received: (from shanske@localhost) by aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id RAA40484; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:41:12 +0200 (METDST) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:41:11 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Kevin Page cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Installing from zip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Kevin Page wrote: > On Thu 02 Jul, Stefan Hanske wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Kevin Page wrote: > > > I have all the RedHat/ARMlinux install sets on a dos zip disc, and I have a > > > scsi zip drive on my RiscPC. > > > Is it possible to install straight from this? (if not, what would be the > > > easiest way to install?) > > > I tried to have a quick play using the supplementary install disc, but the > > > machine hangs at the end of loading the supp. disc. > > > > It should work straight away if the scsi controller is known to linux, > > meaning that there is a driver. There should be a partition named > > /dev/sda4 (that's the one for ppa drives) containing the distribution. > > The cumana scsiII is detected on boot up (but doesn't find any devices?). > I've now got the supplemental image loaded (my old copy was corrupted on > download :-/ ), but when I go to load the module after the supplemental > disk is loaded, the device 'cannot be found on this system'. > > I presume this is where I specify my scsi card so that I can then access the > zip drive as you suggest. Any ideas why this isn't working? > This might be because the cumana scsi II driver was just finished a few days ago. Maybe you should wait a few days to see if there is a new kernel on the ftp site which might contain the new driver. Since the driver seems to be in the kernel, it detects the card at boot up and claims it, so if you load a module afterwards, it won't be able to find any more cumana 2 cards. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 16:52:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA31160 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:52:01 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25256 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:07:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19000 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11224-14900>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:06:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971116-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:19:39 -0400 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.70]:36721 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970959-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:19:21 -0400 Received: from dmf20 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0ys7PD-0000Kq-00; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:05:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:05:43 +0100 (BST) From: David Forbes X-Sender: dmf20@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: M.J.Marshall@sms.ed.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all In-Reply-To: <199807031404.PAA00217@tanis.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > Unfortunately though, !Linux is not the restriction. Yes, !Linux does > load the kernel into the first RAM bank, but it's not a restriction of > !Linux itself. !Linux is just ensuring that certain conditions which > absolutely have to be met are indeed met. I had a feeling this might be the case... > Hence, if you modified !Linux to load the kernel into the second RAM bank, > then you'd find that it doesn't work anyway. Even if there's no other RAM available? I'll admit to not knowing the gorey details of Linux kernel start-up, but surely it must be possible (albeit with minor modification of the kernel if necessary). I had been assuming that physical RAM address zero would be the first available byte, irrespective of bank number. (Okay, so I don't know the MMU to well either...) > I know, you picked a bad example! To be fair, I picked an example which has directly affected me - I'm sure there are others. I don't mean to make too much of an issue of this as a) I'm running NetBSD now and b) I've now fitted an extra SIMM which occupies bank 0. The only problem is that there was discussion a while back about getting it running on an A7000(+) with a view to running on that portable. I'm still prepared to give it a bash (when I get myself a second machine at the end of the summer), but I won't be able to fix this problem myself. Have fun, David. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 18:03:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA31276 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:03:06 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25278 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:04:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5974 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10242-14900>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:02:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970858-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:15:24 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1969 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971040-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:14:35 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA21276; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:00:56 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18479; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:51:04 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA00582; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:52:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199807031652.RAA00582@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Installing from zip To: shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Stefan Hanske) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:52:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: k.r.page@ecs.soton.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Stefan Hanske" at Jul 3, 98 05:41:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Stefan Hanske writes: > On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Kevin Page wrote: > > The cumana scsiII is detected on boot up (but doesn't find any devices?). > > I've now got the supplemental image loaded (my old copy was corrupted on > > download :-/ ), but when I go to load the module after the supplemental > > disk is loaded, the device 'cannot be found on this system'. > > This might be because the cumana scsi II driver was just finished a few > days ago. I thought that it was more like a few weeks ago ;). Anyway, down to business. Near the start of the kernel messages, you get a few lines similar to: 0: [0000:0000] Cumana SCSI interface These messages do not mean that the card is detected. What it means is that the Linux expansion card manager has recognised that there is indeed a card plugged into this slot. The information that is given (in order) is: - 0: Slot number - [0000: Manufacturer number - 0000] Product number - Cumana ... Expansion card description Now, when loading the driver from the disk, one of the first things that happens is that the driver asks the expansion card manager 'Are there any cards in the system with these specific Manufacturer and Product IDs?' If a match is found, then the driver will be told 'there is a card in slot 0 with IRQ x and base address y'. So, what I'd like to find from yourself is what these manufacturer and product IDs are for your particular card. They should be: 003a:003a - This is Cumana SCSI II's allocated IDs. If, however, you see the IDs 005b:xxxx, then you've probably got a PowerROM fitted to your card (and I'm going to do mad in that case). Either way, let me have the exact numbers that are being displayed by the Linux kernel, and we'll see what we can come up with. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 18:04:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA31282 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:04:15 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25281 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:05:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5974 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10521-9853>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:04:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970948-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:15:26 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1955 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971012-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:14:20 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA21273; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:00:53 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18446; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:36:41 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA00541; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:37:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199807031637.RAA00541@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all To: dmf20@hermes.cam.ac.uk (David Forbes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:37:39 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "David Forbes" at Jul 3, 98 04:05:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO David Forbes writes: > > Hence, if you modified !Linux to load the kernel into the second RAM bank, > > then you'd find that it doesn't work anyway. > > Even if there's no other RAM available? I'll admit to not knowing the > gorey details of Linux kernel start-up, but surely it must be possible > (albeit with minor modification of the kernel if necessary). I had been > assuming that physical RAM address zero would be the first available byte, > irrespective of bank number. (Okay, so I don't know the MMU to well > either...) Even if there's no other RAM available. The problem comes from the fact that the RiscPC's DRAM is not contiguous - it's split into banks. In each SIMM, there are two banks, giving you a total of 4 banks with each bank having it's own base address. Slot 0 Bank 0 is at physical address 0x10000000. Slot 0 Bank 1 is at physical address 0x14000000. Hence, if you don't have RAM in slot 0, then you're got a hole from 0x10000000 to 0x18000000. Now, the compressed kernel is built to be run at 0x10008000 with the MMU turned off (this bit is fundamental), and as such, if you don't have any RAM in the first RAM bank, the kernel cannot be executed at 0x10008000, and therefore can't start. You could build a kernel (after you've got it running - catch 22) to run at 0x18008000, but then everyone who doesn't have slot 1 filled would fail. There is one more restriction on the setting up of the kernel - the initial page tables are located at a fixed address, also in the first RAM bank. Since ALL RiscPCs are supplied from Acorn with the first RAM bank filled, it amazes me why someone would leave it empty (you buy a 16MB SIMM to upgrade your machine, so why not leave the original 8MB SIMM in there so you get 24MB, because you're bound to need it in the future, OR you remove the 8MB SIMM, so why not fill slot 0 first with the new SIMM)? Am I being too logical? Probably. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | General protection fault while pouring water into bucket: hole in bottom. Abort, Retry or Fail? ;) (Yes, I know, it gives the user too much info). unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 3 19:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA31370 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:37:40 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25293 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:38:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47971 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10313-3796>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:38:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970951-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:50:40 -0400 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.70]:57935 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970947-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:48:25 -0400 Received: from dmf20 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0ysAfi-0004Iv-00; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:34:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:34:58 +0100 (BST) From: David Forbes X-Sender: dmf20@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all In-Reply-To: <199807031637.RAA00541@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > Since ALL RiscPCs are supplied from Acorn with the first RAM bank filled, But in this case, the problem arises with an A7000+. I don't for one minute suppose that there would be a problem of this nature with most RPCs (otherwise it would have been discussed and fixed, no doubt). > it amazes me why someone would leave it empty (you buy a 16MB SIMM to > upgrade your machine, so why not leave the original 8MB SIMM in there > so you get 24MB, because you're bound to need it in the future, OR > you remove the 8MB SIMM, so why not fill slot 0 first with the new SIMM)? Neat, and logical and what most people would do. However, if the base RAM in an A7000+ is a SIMM, then this has slid by me and I apologise - having had the lid off my machine several times it certainly doesn't appear to be case. However, when running !Linux with -debug it informs me that I have 4Mb in banks 3 and 4. I have upgraded my machine, and now I have 16Mb in the first bank (which corresponds to the vacant SIMM socket). Which solves the problem for me, but still leaves a gotcha for anyone else following on. (That's before we get to the various other problems.) Now we may have lost the point here - that is, IMHO, this is an example of a case where having the source code available may have been beneficial. Ultimately, I think perhaps continuing this discussion any further would not be beneficial. The only other thing that I have to say is that perhaps in the supported architectures page on the Web site you might like to mention "difficulties" with A7000+s (unless they've been fixed and I've missed it...) Cheers, David. PS - Unless anyone gets to it before me, I still intend to try to get Linux running on my machine, when I have the disk space... unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 4 03:30:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA31903 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:30:28 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25381 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:31:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27004 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1486-3796>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 05:31:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970812-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:42:56 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:3801 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971036-16154>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:42:32 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 354 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:30:35 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.110.8]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 448; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:28:40 -0400 Message-ID: <359D93D9.BECCA2C4@corelcomputer.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 22:30:49 -0400 From: "Andrew E. Mileski" Organization: Corel Computer Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, general@netwinder.org Subject: Re: Why Linux ARM References: <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E83D5@staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO steve@gas.co.uk wrote: > This isn't flame bait ! I love linux, and applaud Corel for its > far sightedness, and maybe for its courage :) > > But, Intel hardware is just so cheap now, why would I buy > a Corel Workstation at 800 pounds, when I can get a > PII 266 for 200 > M/Board for 120 > 128Meg Ram 128 > Ethernet Card 50 > Soundcard 50 > Box 50 > Graphics TNT 180 > 6meg Disk 170 > > so for 948 do I get a machine that smokes the Corel , looks > like ? What's a pound worth these days in U.S. dollars? The basic NetWinder DM goes for $699 U.S. Also remember that there is a big savings in electricity, cooling, and maintenance costs [not to mention desk space]. > Am I missing the point ? Is Java going to give me something > Win32 can't ? The NetWinder JC is not yet available, only the NetWinder DM. > I just don't see the point ? Then don't buy one :) Personally, I'd buy one or more myself, as they are really powerful boxes for their size and cost. I liked the NetWinder so much, I joined the company! -- Andrew E. Mileski mailto:andrewm@CorelComputer.com Software Developer Corel Computer Corp. http://www.CorelComputer.com/ OSC-CCC Technical Liaison http://www.NetWinder.org/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 4 06:25:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA31941 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:25:25 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25396 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:26:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:42346 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1449-9853>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:26:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971095-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:38:00 -0400 Received: from smtp.lerdorf.on.ca ([199.243.250.75]:36458 "EHLO sunlab.bellglobal.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971079-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:37:48 -0400 Received: from shell.lerdorf.on.ca (rasmus@adsl.lerdorf.on.ca [207.164.141.19]) by sunlab.bellglobal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15787; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:28:01 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Rasmus Lerdorf To: general@netwinder.org cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: [NetwinderLC General Forum] Re: Why Linux ARM In-Reply-To: <359D93D9.BECCA2C4@corelcomputer.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: rasmus@imap3.bellglobal.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > Also remember that there is a big savings in electricity, > cooling, and maintenance costs [not to mention desk space]. To me, the fact that it is cheap, draws less than 20 amps and is quiet is the main attraction. I might be able to buy a laptop that is about the same size and stick Linux or FreeBSD on it, but I don't think I could get a laptop with the same price/power ratio. And besides, the NetWinder is just so much cooler. By the way, I sure hope it is quiet. Could someone confirm this for me? No whiny fans or noisy hard drives, right? -Rasmus unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 4 07:03:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA31969 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:03:12 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25401 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:04:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28428 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1033-14900>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:04:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971115-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:15:55 -0400 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca ([134.117.69.26]:4330 "EHLO lager.engsoc.carleton.ca" ident: "adevries") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971102-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:15:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA00218; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:03:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:03:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: general@netwinder.org cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: [NetwinderLC General Forum] Re: Why Linux ARM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > To me, the fact that it is cheap, draws less than 20 amps and is quiet is > the main attraction. I might be able to buy a laptop that is about the The fact that the Netwinder draws less than 20 amps isn't an attraction at all. My refridgerator uses less. What's more significant is that it uses less than 20 milliamps. - Alex unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 4 10:52:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA32149 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:52:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25414 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:53:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25460 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10691-3796>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:53:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971120-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 05:05:08 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1734 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971047-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 05:04:22 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA04164; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:52:00 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19792; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:05:27 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA00414; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:06:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199807040906.KAA00414@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: [NetwinderLC General Forum] Re: Why Linux ARM To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca (Alex deVries) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:06:27 +0100 (BST) Cc: general@netwinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Alex deVries" at Jul 4, 98 02:03:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Alex deVries writes: > On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > To me, the fact that it is cheap, draws less than 20 amps and is quiet is > > the main attraction. I might be able to buy a laptop that is about the > The fact that the Netwinder draws less than 20 amps isn't an attraction at > all. My refridgerator uses less. What's more significant is that it uses > less than 20 milliamps. When you compare this with a PC (at work, we've had to measure the power consumption of our PCs in a system we manufacturer to size a custom UPS) of spec: 16MB RAM, 486DX4 100MHz, *No* hard disk, Flash/SRAM solid state card, 16 RS422 serial ports running at 38400 baud (and 10 in use), Video card (Trident), Arcom PCSYSCON card. No monitor connected. which took over 4Amps 60 degrees out of phase with the power supply (I think that the phase figure is correct), then this works out at around 480W in phase with the supply (yes, that's just an estimation). The powersupply got hot as well, and you could feel a nice breeze of warm air blowing out the back. (Oh, and I can quote quite a lot of horror stories about fan failures on our normal PCs as well). Although I don't have any figures for my ARM based machines here, I can definitely say that they use a lot less power. The only way that I can say this is for the following fact: 1) EBSA-285 (with 3com 3c592 and S3 Trio64 added): the PSU has a temperature controlled PSU, and the fan is always running slowly. 2) EBSA-110: When the original PSU fan started being noisy (I hate noisy fans), I got a replacement from DEC, which at first reconnected to the +12V line in the PSU. However, I thought why should I when the EBSA-110 takes no more than about 7W? Now, it's connected to the +5V line and the PSU is still cool. PLUS, DEC had to put a resistor on the PSU +12V line to keep the PSU in spec *because* the EBSA-110 takes so little power. I haven't got the Netwinder figures here, but I bet that it's at least an order of magnitude below a PC. Hence, the argument should no longer be one of: 'A PC costs to buy 900ukp, but a RiscPC costs 1500ukp' but more of: 'A PC costs xxx ukp to run each week, but a RiscPC costs yy ukp'. Then you start to see where the real cost savings are with ARM technology. Incidentally, the other advantage is that because it's not drawing a lot of power, it's not getting hot, therefore: - electronic components are more reliable. - less need for mechanical fans which: - clog up with dust. - fail due to bearing wear. - clog up your floppy drive with dust. - when they fail normally take out the processor as well. If someone wishes to dispute this, then I'll happily collect all the figures together to prove it when I'm next at work. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | Buy a mobile for 1ukp and pay 100ukp per month line rental, or buy a mobile for 100ukp and pay 1ukp per month line rental. Which would you prefer? I know which one I'd like. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 4 16:28:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA32522 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:28:00 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25443 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:29:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:43368 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1358-14900>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:28:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971159-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:40:29 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:51198 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971172-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:39:51 -0400 Received: from (tardis.home.dave) [194.222.210.232] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ysUE6-0005Uw-00; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:27:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:22:22 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Gilbert X-Sender: gilbertd@tardis.home.dave To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu cc: Alex deVries , general@netwinder.org Subject: Re: [NetwinderLC General Forum] Re: Why Linux ARM In-Reply-To: <199807040906.KAA00414@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I think there are two or three questions which interact: 1) Why a special box 2) Why ARM 3) Why Linux 1) Is why don't we just use a PC? Well its big, it eats power, and can be a pain to configure (even with Linux). Personally I wouldn't want a Netwinder as my main machine (sorry guys) - I'm just too much of a computational speed freak (this comes to you from the keyboard of a 533MHz Alpha). At the same time there is no way I'd want to leave my Alpha on all day cooking away (I've just had to add extra fans!!). And I don't like switching my alpha on in the evening just for 15 mins to read mail. Why would I want to leave my machine on all day? Well when ADSL/ Cable modems/Internet over power lines come out I'd like to leave a machine running a web server/ftp server/maintaining my domain routing mail etc. Also with a special box you can put everything you want in the box and KNOW that everything works together. And Corel have put everything in; fast ether, video in and out - what else does a man need? 2) Why ARM? Well its low power, which means no/low fans - it means I wouldn't mind leaving it on. It means that rather than the screach of 4 fans next to me I could here my CD player. Its also easy for designers to build around; DEC are (were?) really helpful guys and they'd jump backwards to help you use a StrongARM and putting a StrongARM together with a PCI interface (FootBridge) should probably be easy. Its also >>cheap<< - ARMs don't cost much. 3) Why Linux? OK, so you've got this box with a pretty fast procesor, every PCI device mortal man could want and now you need an OS. Hmm... Well you can't get Windows for ARM, (you can get CE but that just about is useful in your pocket) - thank god for that! You could write your own OS, but then there is >NO software< for it. Thats an approach which works OK if you just want an X/windows terminal. But buy using Linux you get a box which can work as an X/windows terminal with low effort, but which after the initial effort means that you can get so much more. It suddenly becomes a perfect box to run as a firewall, an office server, a web server, an internet light server etc. So Linux gets you some extra facilities with no extra work after getting the port working. Oh - and its free. So with fast home net connections, this is the perfect thing which you can just wonder upto read your mail, leave it on and not worry about it. Or it can just run your planet for you. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert | Running Linux on Alpha & ARM \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | ------- Happy in hex ------- / \____________________________|___ http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk __/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From neil@causality.com Sat Jul 4 21:40:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA00373 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:40:21 +0100 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ysZ7l-0003lZ-00; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:41:34 +0000 Sender: neil@odie.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <359E532D.A8BD4C30@causality.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:07:09 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Cox CC: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk, phil@oregan.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM References: <199807031253.NAA15381@snowcrash.cymru.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Alan Cox wrote: > > > Pretty unlikely I would think. As the bus clock can't run at more than > > 66MHz on current chips, and the current speed of main memory can exceed > > this on bursts (100MHz), there's no point in putting a cache on the > > outside---main memory may just as well be used instead :) If SA could > > Latency. Its 7 bus clocks to start an SDRAM burst then 1 per read Given accesses to most areas are cached, which burst four words in a row, and unlike Intel architecture the SA can't terminate a bus cycle early so the SRAM gain is potentially less than on the Intel architecture. However, I do take your point---however when Acorn tried some SRAM for their kernel, they found it didn't make any niticable difference. What we want is to fill a machine with the new 100MHz EDO :) Neil -- Neil A. Carson From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 4 21:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00381 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:41:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25536 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:42:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19988 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11234-14900>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:42:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971186-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:53:40 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:41836 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971233-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:53:28 -0400 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ysZ7o-0003lg-00; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:41:36 +0000 Message-ID: <359E5594.B105319B@causality.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:17:24 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin CC: David Forbes , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all References: <199807031637.RAA00541@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO I believe that all A7000s and 7000+s have the first RAM bank in fact present,although on some machines it is very very very small. Certainly it was a bit too small for NetBSD + static structures etc AFAIR. I might be wrong though. -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From philb@gnu.org Sat Jul 4 22:07:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org (exim@tazenda.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.239]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA00387 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:07:18 +0100 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0ysZQZ-0004v6-00; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:00:59 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Neil A. Carson" cc: Alan Cox , willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk, phil@oregan.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:07:09 BST." <359E532D.A8BD4C30@causality.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 22:00:59 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO >Given accesses to most areas are cached, which burst four words in a >row, In enhanced mode, though, it can arrange to get the word you're trying to load in the first access. If you can do this in a single cycle rather than having to wait for the SDRAM initial access time, it can be an improvement - even if your memory unit is still tied up for a fairly long time afterwards. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 4 22:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00395 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:09:39 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25545 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:10:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26400 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10282-9853>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:10:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971048-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:22:01 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2874 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971174-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:21:51 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0ysZTN-0004vs-00; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:03:53 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Neil A. Carson" cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:17:24 BST." <359E5594.B105319B@causality.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 22:03:53 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >I believe that all A7000s and 7000+s have the first RAM bank in fact >present,although on some machines it is very very very small. Certainly >it was a bit too small for NetBSD + static structures etc AFAIR. I might >be wrong though. It would be quite possible (though not completely trivial) to fix the kernel so that you could run it out of either DRAM bank. The only tricky bit would be for head.S to work out where it was running and behave accordingly. Whether it's worth doing is another question. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 4 22:54:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00454 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:54:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25579 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:56:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:9008 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11038-15808>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:55:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970821-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:07:09 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138]:33174 "EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971112-16154>; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:06:58 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id WAA18580; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:55:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from penelope.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Jul 98 22:56:38 BST Received: from chorlton.house by penelope.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:55:02 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:53:45 +0100 (BST) From: Kevin Page Subject: Re: Installing from zip To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199807031652.RAA00582@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: K.R.Page X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Fri 03 Jul, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > 0: [0000:0000] Cumana SCSI interface [snip about expansion card manager] > Either way, let me have the exact numbers that are being displayed by > the Linux kernel, and we'll see what we can come up with. Okay, on boot, the kernel reports: Installed expansion cards: 0: [003A:003A] SCSI-2 & CDFS Expansion Card . . later . . scsi: 0 hosts. scsi: detected total. . (don't know if that last bits really relevant) I then say I wish to install from HDD, load the supplementary disk, and answer 'yes' to 'do I have any scsi adapters'. I then select Cumana2, but 'I can't find the device anywhere on your system' for autoprobe, and term={0,1} (thought I might as well try them all). On the ALT-F3 console there is something like the following: * second stage install running (version 1.0) * /proc/scsi/scsi: Attached devices: none. * no scsi devices are available .....and the the insmod for the cumana2 module fails for the various settings. Hope this may be of some help. For reference, *devices at the scsi command prompt under RiscOS gives: Device Type Size Vendor Product Rev 000 Direct-access 507 MBytes FUJITSU M2684S-512 2039 005 Direct-access Unknown IOMEGA ZIP 100 E.03 007 Host CUMANA SCSI Interface 2.08 Thanks for your help, cheers, k. -- Kevin Page - mailto:k.r.page@ecs.soton.ac.uk It wasn't my fault, the big boy did it and ran away.... unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From neil@causality.com Sun Jul 5 01:10:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA00575 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:10:29 +0100 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yscP8-0002p3-00; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:11:43 +0000 Sender: neil@odie.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <359EA9F7.595075A2@causality.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:17:27 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Blundell CC: Alan Cox , willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk, phil@oregan.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM and RPM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Point taken :) neil -- Neil A. Carson From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 5 09:24:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00760 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:24:16 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25663 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:25:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64293 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1205-14900>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:25:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971248-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 03:36:10 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1217 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971233-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 03:33:31 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA25618; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:21:57 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22045; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:39:52 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA02262; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:40:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199807042140.WAA02262@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all To: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:40:45 +0100 (BST) Cc: neil@causality.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 4, 98 10:03:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > It would be quite possible (though not completely trivial) to fix the kernel > so that you could run it out of either DRAM bank. The only tricky bit would > be for head.S to work out where it was running and behave accordingly. > Whether it's worth doing is another question. No Phil. Please read my previous mails that talk about the self-decompressing code. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 5 10:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00819 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:37:21 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25672 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:38:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:44379 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1180-9853>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:38:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971257-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 04:47:08 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:3042 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971268-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 04:46:42 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0ysklw-0005cL-00; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:07:48 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell), neil@causality.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Jul 1998 22:40:45 BST." <199807042140.WAA02262@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:07:47 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >No Phil. Please read my previous mails that talk about the self-decompressing >code. Your previous mails don't seem to have made it here (at least not yet) so I'm just guessing at what you probably said. However, I stand by my position that it would be possible. 1. We could say that you should just not use compressed kernels on such machines. If !Linux can't already load vmlinux files it wouldn't take much to teach it to do so. Since head-armv.S turns the MMU on as one of its first actions it wouldn't be hard to have it cope with the RAM being in a different place. 2. It would be possible to compile misc.c as PIC and hence let it run at any address. Remember that any compiler that can build 2.1 probably supports PIC. 3. We could turn the MMU on for the duration of decompression and let head.S set up a minimal page table (just a few section mappings to get the first few megabytes of RAM mapped) to hide the differences. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 5 14:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00973 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:02:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25688 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:03:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35412 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1110-15808>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:03:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971277-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:14:24 -0400 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de ([129.69.211.1]:3182 "EHLO ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971275-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:14:10 -0400 Received: by tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:02:44 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 14:54:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4860e9a307bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Installation problems Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi! I've tried installing NetBSD three times already, but didn't like it too much. Now I'm giving ARMLinux a go. :-) But I have problems in a few ways: 1) When booting, my two podule cards are recognized as: 0: [005B:0107] AlSystems PowerTec SCSI (loader blacklisted) 8: [0046:011E] Acorn Risc PC/A7000 interface i-cubed ltd, EtherLan 600A (00:c0:32:00:A2:DB) But later on, neither card is being recognised by the RedHat installer. :-( FYI: The Power-tec is a II which has been updated to III recently and the EtherLan 600A is a later version as well. I downloaded the latest kernel version as well as the latest versions of the other installation programs. 2) How do I specify the path of the RedHat installation tree if it's on a second IDE disc? My setup is as follows: I use my first IDE disc (ADFS::4) for RISC OS only. My second one (ADFS::5) has a 50M Filecore partition, then the Linux table followed by a 713M Linux native partition and 50M Linux swap space. (BTW: is this enough? Someone mentioned, that at least twice the amount of RAM should be allocated as swap space and I have 50M of RAM). The RedHat installation tree is on ADFS::4.$.ARMLinux.RedHat. I didn't figure out, how I have to specify the path in the RedHat Linux installer. It doesn't work with: /dev/hda1/ARMLinux/RedHat or similar. What am I doing wrong here? 3) I'd like to install Linux from ZIP drive, but since my SCSI card isn't recognized, I can give that up, can't I? 4) I can't boot Linux from my usual Desktop. I'm working in a 1280*1024@8bpp mode. When I shift-boot (and therefore I am in mode 27) then I can start up Linux. Is this a mode problem or is there any other software loaded that interferes with the Linux loader? I hope you can help me with my problems, as I'm really keen on seeing Linux running on my RiscPC! :-D Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 5 20:10:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01387 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:10:31 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25721 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:11:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14929 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1264-9853>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:11:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971348-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:21:53 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1600 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971391-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:21:40 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA03512; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:10:32 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24134; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:51:11 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA03253; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:52:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199807051552.QAA03253@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Installation problems To: bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Stefan Bellon) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:52:07 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <4860e9a307bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> from "Stefan Bellon" at Jul 5, 98 02:54:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Stefan Bellon writes: > 0: [005B:0107] AlSystems PowerTec SCSI (loader blacklisted) > 8: [0046:011E] Acorn Risc PC/A7000 interface i-cubed ltd, EtherLan > 600A (00:c0:32:00:A2:DB) > > But later on, neither card is being recognised by the RedHat installer. > :-( > > FYI: The Power-tec is a II which has been updated to III recently and > the EtherLan 600A is a later version as well. > > I downloaded the latest kernel version as well as the latest versions > of the other installation programs. After selecting them in the RedHat installer (and it complaining), hit ALT-F3 and note down the last messages that relate to this. Normally, you'll see a 'running insmod...' line - note down the lines just before and after this. Then hit ALT-F4 and note down the last 8 lines of messages. Could you send them please? > 2) How do I specify the path of the RedHat installation tree if it's on > a second IDE disc? > > The RedHat installation tree is on ADFS::4.$.ARMLinux.RedHat. I didn't > figure out, how I have to specify the path in the RedHat Linux > installer. > > It doesn't work with: /dev/hda1/ARMLinux/RedHat or similar. What am I > doing wrong here? Tell the installer that the files are located on /dev/hda1. It will then ask for a subdirectory. type in ARMLinux/RedHat here. > 3) I'd like to install Linux from ZIP drive, but since my SCSI card > isn't recognized, I can give that up, can't I? See 1) > 4) I can't boot Linux from my usual Desktop. I'm working in a > 1280*1024@8bpp mode. When I shift-boot (and therefore I am in mode 27) > then I can start up Linux. Is this a mode problem or is there any other > software loaded that interferes with the Linux loader? I regularly run it from the RiscOS desktop. My desktop is still set up 'the way the machine was supplied' so you must have some software which is clashing. Exactly what does happen when you try to run it from the desktop? It may be useful to know what you've got loaded. BTW, are you sure that it is 256 colour mode that you're using? (just checking). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 5 20:10:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01391 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:10:47 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25725 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:12:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14929 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1553-15808>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:11:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971352-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:22:25 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1617 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971350-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:22:02 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA03509; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:10:26 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24189; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:14:53 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA03641; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:15:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199807051615.RAA03641@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: User-not-very-friendly-at-all To: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:15:46 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@arm.uk.linux.org, philb@gnu.org, neil@causality.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 5, 98 10:07:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > Your previous mails don't seem to have made it here (at least not yet) so I'm > just guessing at what you probably said. However, I stand by my position that > it would be possible. I for one will not be distributing any kernels that are not self-decompresssing. > 1. We could say that you should just not use compressed kernels on such > machines. If !Linux can't already load vmlinux files it wouldn't take much to > teach it to do so. Since head-armv.S turns the MMU on as one of its first > actions it wouldn't be hard to have it cope with the RAM being in a different > place. !Linux can cope with the vmlinux files perfectly well. > 2. It would be possible to compile misc.c as PIC and hence let it run at any > address. Remember that any compiler that can build 2.1 probably supports PIC. That was my original intention, however until I'm totally happy with the new ELF compilers (I have to be to keep a known good base for the kernel work), I don't see this happening before 2.2. > 3. We could turn the MMU on for the duration of decompression and let head.S > set up a minimal page table (just a few section mappings to get the first few > megabytes of RAM mapped) to hide the differences. See previous mail about decompressor code being processor independent. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 5 20:11:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01395 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:11:29 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25728 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:12:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14929 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1553-3796>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:12:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971350-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:23:06 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1642 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971351-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:22:53 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA03532 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:12:01 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24658 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:11:07 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA06336 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:12:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199807051912.UAA06336@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Kernel patches To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:12:07 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi All, Here is a reminder for my kernel patch policy. It's very simple (at the moment): 1. Kernel diffs for ARM are generally made available on Sunday where possible or Monday at the latest. If these hasn't been one, then you can assume that there have not been any significant changes. 2. Patches received by Friday stand a chance of making it into the kernel diffs on the following Sunday if they apply cleanly and are acceptible. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 5 23:31:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01635 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:31:38 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25756 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:33:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:29488 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1555-15808>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:32:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971375-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:42:35 -0400 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de ([129.69.211.1]:3600 "EHLO ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971374-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:40:41 -0400 Received: by tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 00:30:04 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ARMLinux List Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 00:08:40 +0100 Message-ID: <48611c552dbellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: <199807051552.QAA03253@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 05 Jul, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Stefan Bellon writes: > > 0: [005B:0107] AlSystems PowerTec SCSI (loader blacklisted) > > 8: [0046:011E] Acorn Risc PC/A7000 interface i-cubed ltd, EtherLan > > 600A (00:c0:32:00:A2:DB) > > > > But later on, neither card is being recognised by the RedHat > > installer. > > :-( > > > > FYI: The Power-tec is a II which has been updated to III recently > > and the EtherLan 600A is a later version as well. > > > > I downloaded the latest kernel version as well as the latest > > versions of the other installation programs. > After selecting them in the RedHat installer (and it complaining), > hit ALT-F3 and note down the last messages that relate to this. > Normally, you'll see a 'running insmod...' line - note down the lines > just before and after this. There's no line after it, but before there are some lines concerning the SCSI card: * second stage install running (version 1.0) * /prod/scsi/scsi: Attached devices: none * no scsi devices available * running: /bin/insmod /bin/insmod /modules/powertec_mod.o * insmod failed! And concerning the EtherH card: * running: /bin/insmod /bin/insmod /modules/8390.o * insmod failed! Hm, why is it trying to load 8390.o? There's EtherH.o as well, as I checked with the console on ALT-F2. > Then hit ALT-F4 and note down the last 8 lines of messages. Could you > send them please? After the FPEmulator and the disclaimer, there's nothing new on that screen. > > 2) How do I specify the path of the RedHat installation tree if > > it's on a second IDE disc? > > > > The RedHat installation tree is on ADFS::4.$.ARMLinux.RedHat. I > > didn't figure out, how I have to specify the path in the RedHat > > Linux installer. > > > > It doesn't work with: /dev/hda1/ARMLinux/RedHat or similar. What am > > I doing wrong here? > Tell the installer that the files are located on /dev/hda1. It will > then ask for a subdirectory. type in ARMLinux/RedHat here. Didn't work. I tried exactly that. But I fiddled a while and found out that /dev/hda1/ARMLinux does work. Hm, not that different from the other tries! :-/ > > 4) I can't boot Linux from my usual Desktop. I'm working in a > > 1280*1024@8bpp mode. When I shift-boot (and therefore I am in mode > > 27) then I can start up Linux. Is this a mode problem or is there > > any other software loaded that interferes with the Linux loader? > I regularly run it from the RiscOS desktop. My desktop is still set > up 'the way the machine was supplied' so you must have some software > which is clashing. Well, ok, then I'll have to search. :-/ > Exactly what does happen when you try to run it from the desktop? It > may be useful to know what you've got loaded. BTW, are you sure that > it is 256 colour mode that you're using? (just checking). If you enter 2 (for Linux, opposed to 1 for RISC OS), then the line "Enter extra arguments:" appears. And just after having pressed return the machine hangs. Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM 2/3 of us are poor at division. The other half can't add. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 5 23:54:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01661 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:54:11 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25820 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:55:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47446 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1262-3796>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:55:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971381-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:05:01 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:2033 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971388-16154>; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:02:16 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA07657 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:51:54 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25248 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:49:59 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA07102 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:50:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199807052250.XAA07102@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: 2.1.108 pre-patch #1 release To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:50:47 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, Just uploading is the Linux 2.1.108 pre-patch. This is a pre-patch, and represents work in progress. Please do not send in patches for the sillys that are in it - they will get fixed by myself in due course. Any patches against this build should be discussed on the mailing list/with me before submitting them to patches@arm.uk.linux.org. Please read http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/state.html for more information on use of this new service. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 6 17:38:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA03056 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:38:55 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25950 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:39:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:15696 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1558-14900>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:38:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971564-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:45:32 -0400 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de ([129.69.211.1]:1207 "EHLO ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971561-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:45:13 -0400 Received: by tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:36:36 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ARMLinux List Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:36:42 +0100 Message-ID: <486181c6b9bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: <199807051552.QAA03253@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO I wrote: > > 3) I'd like to install Linux from ZIP drive, but since my SCSI card > > isn't recognized, I can give that up, can't I? Hm, since my SCSI card isn't recognized ATM, I tried to install Linux from my ADFS filecore disc. But there I have another problem: The filenames get truncated (e.g. skeleton.cgz becomes skeleton/c and isn't recognized any more) and I can't put all the .rpm files (>300) in RedHat.RPMS because ADFS allows only 77 files per directory. How can I install Linux from "just" a ADFS filecore partition? The best way would be my ZIP drive, I know, but since the Power-tec III isn't recognized, ... :-( Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM 'Familiarity breeds contempt - and children.' - Mark Twain unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 6 18:27:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03136 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:27:33 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25964 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:27:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:23332 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10353-14900>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:27:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970964-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:25:24 -0400 Received: from mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.48.8]:41710 "HELO mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971604-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:17:43 -0400 Received: from mraosb.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #2) id m0ytEmO-0004HQC; Mon, 6 Jul 98 18:10 BST Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:10:15 +0100 (BST) From: Toby Haynes X-Sender: tjwh1@mraosb To: ARMLinux List Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: <486181c6b9bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Stefan Bellon wrote: > I wrote: > > > 3) I'd like to install Linux from ZIP drive, but since my SCSI card > > > isn't recognized, I can give that up, can't I? > Hm, since my SCSI card isn't recognized ATM, I tried to install Linux > from my ADFS filecore disc. But there I have another problem: The > filenames get truncated (e.g. skeleton.cgz becomes skeleton/c and isn't > recognized any more) and I can't put all the .rpm files (>300) in > RedHat.RPMS because ADFS allows only 77 files per directory. > How can I install Linux from "just" a ADFS filecore partition? I zipped up all the files into one large zip, with a structure like RedHat/instimage RedHat/boot RedHat/RPMS inside the zip, and put this on my ADFS drive. I then followed the instructions for installing ARMLinux from the Clan CD, including the mke2fs and other startup commands for the partition. I then mounted the adfs partition and unzipped the zipfile into /. From this point, you can use the RedHat installer - when it asks for the drive, tell it hda3 or whatever is correct, and give it the / path. Hope this helps! There are other ways of doing this which are in the mail archives - try downloading and grepping through them for 'RPMS'. Cheers, Toby _______________________________________________________________________ Toby Haynes | "Alarm clock? Oh, you mean the sad pile of Rm 965, MRAO | cogs and twisted springs under that dent Uni. of Cambridge | in the wall?" unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 6 20:58:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03280 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:58:26 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25984 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:58:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:33632 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10255-9853>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:58:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971628-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:49:28 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:12903 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971676-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:46:43 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA11425 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:39:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:39:19 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: ARMLinux List Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Toby Haynes wrote: > inside the zip, and put this on my ADFS drive. I then followed the > instructions for installing ARMLinux from the Clan CD, including the These are, btw, available from my web site (URL in the sig). -- Rule of programming #4: The length of time taken to find a bug is directly proportional to its simplicity. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 6 22:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03437 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:52:32 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26022 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:52:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27168 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10737-15808>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:52:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970897-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:58:13 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1906 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971050-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:51:31 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA02951 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:44:54 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26471 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:44:11 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00513 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199807062145.WAA00513@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Linux 3.26 Alpha released To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:02 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Linux 3.26 Alpha is now on the FTP site: ftp://ftp.arm.uk.linux.org/pub/armlinux/testing/linux-3.26-alpha.arc This is the usual Spark archive. This version has some tftp bugs fixed, and may work with initrd. Enjoy! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 6 23:03:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03450 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:03:05 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26033 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:03:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60455 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1614-15808>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:02:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970796-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:08:25 -0400 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]:45881 "HELO golden.argonet.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971067-16154>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:05:50 -0400 Received: from (argbr88) [193.130.245.146] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytJI6-0002ui-00; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:59:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dana K Scully To: Linux-arm mailing list Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:57:51 +0100 Message-ID: <486199af34dkscully@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: <199807021650.RAA29601@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 02 Jul, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Right, so same manufacturer and similar model numbers. The thick > plottens. Can any of you try either of these drive models in a PC > running Linux, so we can attempt to narrow this down to being > architecture specific or independent? OK, so having tried the drive in a PC running 2.0.34 Linux and finding it works fine, I suggest this is architecture specific. L * You are secretive in your dealings but never to the extent of trickery. -- | |\/| / BSc (Hons) Chemistry (So'ton), ZFC A (Sc) |__esley | |itchell / dkscully@argonet.co.uk A woman of many talents. :) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 06:13:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA03734 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 06:13:57 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26214 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 06:14:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:6264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1408-9853>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:13:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971346-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:19:05 -0400 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de ([129.69.211.1]:1769 "EHLO ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971322-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:18:40 -0400 Received: by tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:13:07 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ARMLinux List Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 07:12:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4861c6ff83bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 06 Jul, Phil Norman wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Toby Haynes wrote: > > inside the zip, and put this on my ADFS drive. I then followed the > > instructions for installing ARMLinux from the Clan CD, including the > These are, btw, available from my web site (URL in the sig). Thanks! Helped me a lot! Now I've ARMLinux installed. Now I have to configure it. :-/ But one thing doesn't work: It doesn't find a kernel. When booting I get an error 'invalid bmap magic in first sector of partition'. In the FAQ there's that I have to execute loadmap. But then I get the error message that /etc/boot.conf doesn't exist. What am I doing wrong? Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM All humans are created equal, all computers are not - Acorn RiscPC. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 09:59:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03882 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:50 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26263 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:00:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:16708 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1796-9853>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:59:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971586-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 04:04:17 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:21158 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971579-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 04:04:03 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08743 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:15 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: ARMLinux List Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: <4861c6ff83bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Stefan Bellon wrote: > But one thing doesn't work: It doesn't find a kernel. When booting I > get an error 'invalid bmap magic in first sector of partition'. In the > FAQ there's that I have to execute loadmap. But then I get the error > message that /etc/boot.conf doesn't exist. What am I doing wrong? man loadmap man boot.conf -- Rule of programming #4: The length of time taken to find a bug is directly proportional to its simplicity. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 11:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04191 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:00:17 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26276 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:00:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:34168 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1853-15808>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:00:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971613-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 05:04:38 -0400 Received: from mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.48.8]:48011 "HELO mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971598-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 05:04:21 -0400 Received: from mraosc.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #2) id m0ytUXH-0004L5C; Tue, 7 Jul 98 10:59 BST Received: from localhost by mraosc.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:59:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:59:41 +0100 (BST) From: Toby Haynes X-Sender: tjwh1@mraosc To: ARMLinux List Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Phil Norman wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > But one thing doesn't work: It doesn't find a kernel. When booting I > > get an error 'invalid bmap magic in first sector of partition'. In the > > FAQ there's that I have to execute loadmap. But then I get the error > > message that /etc/boot.conf doesn't exist. What am I doing wrong? > man loadmap > man boot.conf There is also a sample boot.conf written in the FAQ. Cheers, Toby _______________________________________________________________________ Toby Haynes | "Alarm clock? Oh, you mean the sad pile of Rm 965, MRAO | cogs and twisted springs under that dent Uni. of Cambridge | in the wall?" unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 11:40:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04323 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:40:38 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26293 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:40:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11577 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1107-9853>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:40:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971622-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 05:44:39 -0400 Received: from gi.ant.co.uk ([193.35.146.12]:1710 "HELO gi.ant.co.uk" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971621-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 05:44:20 -0400 Received: from bertie.ant.co.uk [193.35.146.85] by gi.ant.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #2) id 0ytVJa-0006LG-00; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:49:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:41:10 +0100 (BST) From: Dean Murphy Subject: Problems with EtherB NIC To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ANT Ltd. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.50] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Does ARMLinux support RiscPC EtherB NIC cards? I have such a card in my machine which works fine under RISC OS. When I try to insmod ether3 under Linux I get an error message, something along the lines of a 'problem establishing podule bus width'. -- Dean Murphy ANT Ltd. Cambridge mailto:dean@ant.co.uk Product Manager Tel: (44) 1223 567808 http://www.ant.co.uk/~dean unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 11:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04352 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:49:50 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26298 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:49:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28738 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10399-14900>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:49:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971615-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 05:53:56 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:18627 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971613-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 05:53:36 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04342; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:48:36 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807071048.LAA04342@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Problems with EtherB NIC To: dean@ant.co.uk (Dean Murphy) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:48:36 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Dean Murphy" at Jul 7, 98 11:41:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Dean Murphy > > > Does ARMLinux support RiscPC EtherB NIC cards? > > I have such a card in my machine which works fine under RISC OS. When I try > to insmod ether3 under Linux I get an error message, something along the > lines of a 'problem establishing podule bus width'. You have a StrongARM, don't you? There are several different problems, it seems. One is that the 80C04.AE chip is not supported, I believe Ian Jeffray is waiting to receive docs on it before adding support for it. Another is that the 8005 support is currently broken with a StrongARM. Russell has given me a replacement ether3.c to test, but omitted the ether3.h to accompany it. The latest (ie 2.0.34) should detect the ether3 okay, but it will sometimes go wrong and the only fix is to ifconfig the interface down & back up again (don't forget to add the route..) -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 11:56:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04372 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:56:01 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26304 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:56:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:16708 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10740-15808>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:56:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971621-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 06:00:11 -0400 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:4532 "HELO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971615-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 05:59:56 -0400 Received: from cowslip.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.3.212] (rjb45) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0ytVPA-00053s-00; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:55:24 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: ARM Linux cc: Dean Murphy Subject: Re: Problems with EtherB NIC In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:41:10 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:55:22 +0100 From: Richard Bradbury Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:41:10, Dean Murphy wrote: > > Does ARMLinux support RiscPC EtherB NIC cards? > > I have such a card in my machine which works fine under RISC OS. When I try > to insmod ether3 under Linux I get an error message, something along the > lines of a 'problem establishing podule bus width'. I have also experienced this problem with an ARM610 and a revision 1 RiscPC. Here is one possible lead: On Fri, 29 May 1998 12:20:38, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > Please can you try compiling the latest kernel from > the patches provided by Russell on the FTP site, and let us know if the > problem still exists. There have been changes to do with card width > detection - it fixed my Ether3-with-a-StrongARM bug, so it may have > fixed yours too. He was referring to the 2.0.34 versions of the modules, I think, but they don't seem to fix the problem. -- Richard. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 13:37:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04630 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:37:03 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26328 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:37:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64274 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1107-15808>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:37:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971649-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:41:07 -0400 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de ([129.69.211.1]:2735 "EHLO ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971654-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:40:52 -0400 Received: by tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:36:00 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ARMLinux List Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:37:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4861efaab9bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 07 Jul, Toby Haynes wrote: > There is also a sample boot.conf written in the FAQ. Sorry, I was just *too* tired to look into the FAQ. I had however the strange feeling that I forgot something! ;-} Thanks for your help! Now I have two main problems left (ARMLinux is now correctly installed!): First of all, the !Linux application won't work. Neither after a normal boot nor after a shift-boot can I get it to work. I always get: *** assertion failed: ldr != NULL, file c.ldr, line 148 after the time it's waiting for the alt-key is over. Anyone else having experienced this? The second thing remains the question how to "activate" my Power-tec III and my EtherLan 600A (EtherH) card in Linux. Both aren't recognized from the RedHat Installer. Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM A super computer is a machine that runs an endless loop in just 2 minutes. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 15:54:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04726 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:54:15 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26360 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:54:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50212 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1188-9853>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:53:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971670-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:57:07 -0400 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]:54289 "HELO golden.argonet.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971663-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:52:17 -0400 Received: from (argbg34.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.253.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytZ2X-0006LG-00; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:48:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:48:28 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Seaborn Subject: Installation problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Project Galactic Guide (http://megadodo.com) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Yet another person trying to install ARM Linux and having problems, I'm afraid. First of all, which set of instructions should I be following? Presumably the INSTALL file from the ftp site. I've also got a copy of the guide posted here by Jan Magnussen. However, this says things like `mknod /dev/hda3 b 3 3', which I wouldn't imagine would work with my ICS IDE interface. It seems that these instructions aim at getting around the 77 file Filecore limit on RPMs in a directory, so presumably if go by the INSTALL file and then install the non-essentials later in batches I should be okay. Anyway, I've got my hard disc partitioned. I can boot Linux; both discs are read in okay. The first warning sign comes after selecting the swap partition. The Alt-F3 screens shows: * mkswap: warning: truncating hdc6 to 130752 kB, 32688 bad pages * mkswap: first page unreadable which is odd, since the swap partition is only 22 Mb. Is this warning a problem? After this, the install program scans the RPMs. This brings up a list of warnings one of the other screens, roughly of the form `* ADFS - fs error (device 16:01): adfs_map_lookup, fragment X at offset Y not found in map'. The installer carries on after this. I select format hdc7 and check for bad blocks. At the next part, I select install everything and `select available packages'. After this, if I select something at the `select group' window, the installer prints `rebooting' and the other screen says `* install2: memory violation at...'. On the other hand, if I don't try to select a group, and just continue, the installer carries on but then gives an error in a window, `mount failed: invalid argument' after creating an ext2 filing system on hdc7. I get the option to try again, but it does the same. This is on a StrongARM Risc PC with ICS IDE interface and a 6.3 Gb hard disc containing 5 Filecore partitions besides the two Linux ones. Any ideas what is going wrong? Thanks in advance for any help. -- Mark Seaborn - mseaborn@argonet.co.uk - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mseaborn/ - What sort of person uses the word ``diskette''? unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 17:55:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04830 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:55:11 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26375 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:55:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11360 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1225-14900>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:53:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971177-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:48:56 -0400 Received: from mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.144.9]:1622 "EHLO mail.rwth-aachen.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971691-16154>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:23:54 -0400 Received: from tm913045 (s3m006.dialup.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-10 #30440) with SMTP id <01IZ4N4AVXDY0006YQ@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:21:37 +0200 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:19:52 +0100 From: Thomas Marx Subject: Good point to step into? To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-id: X-Organization: Home MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61a X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu X-Envid: 01IZ4N4BCCUW0006YQ@mail.rwth-aachen.de Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi! After a long absence I am willing to install ArmLinux again. When is there a good point to start, ie a complete distribution ready? Who can give (or sell) me a CD with the complete distrib ? Regards, Tom No RISC, no FUN - - - - - - - - - - - - No PAIN, no GAIN. ------------------------------------------------------------------ email : thomas.marx@post.rwth-aachen.de Snail : Thomas Marx, Charlottenstr. 11, 52070 Aachen, Germany Voice : +49 241 542886 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 23:07:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05184 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:07:27 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26467 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:07:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:56852 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10416-14900>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:07:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971763-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:51:46 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:33860 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971906-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:32:55 -0400 Received: from (regretta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.217.62] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yteNV-0003gn-00; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:30:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:38:31 +0000 (GMT) From: ARM Linux mailing list Subject: ARMLinux installation problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO I decided today that I would install ARMLinux which came on the Clan CD. I'm using the installation guide in the Clan newsletter and the one provided by Phil Norman. The files were obtained from the following sources: ARM Linux website: RPC kernel, bootloader, config, partman, writedisc, root-rpc, supplemental Phil's website: base, instimage My system is a: RPC (Mark II motherboard) SA110, 32+8+1 Meg, 4 Gig IDE HD (Partioned 2.5 Gb ADFS, 1.5 Gb Linux, 20 Mb Swap), IDE CD-ROM Things went fine until I came to copy the RPMS zip file from my ADFS partition to the linux partition. It complained that it couldn't find the file, which is probably because the directory the drive was mounted into was empty. On start-up the console displays the following on the partitions: hda: [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 < hda3 hda4 > Typing 'mount -t adfs /dev/hda1 adfs' gives a mount list of (amongst over entries): /tmp/hda1 adfs adfs rw 0 0 so it appears to have mounted the drive succesfully, so why is the directory empty? Any help appreciated Andrew -- Andrew Miles unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 23:15:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05198 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:15:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26471 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:16:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24614 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11108-14900>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:15:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971412-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:32:05 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1296 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970799-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:39:34 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA29600; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:36:43 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27354; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:26:21 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00659; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:27:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199807072027.VAA00659@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Installation problems To: bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Stefan Bellon) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:27:17 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <4861c6ff83bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> from "Stefan Bellon" at Jul 7, 98 07:12:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Stefan Bellon writes: > But one thing doesn't work: It doesn't find a kernel. When booting I > get an error 'invalid bmap magic in first sector of partition'. In the > FAQ there's that I have to execute loadmap. But then I get the error > message that /etc/boot.conf doesn't exist. What am I doing wrong? Have another look at the FAQ. Go to the entry with that error. Towards the end there is a link on the word 'here'. Click on it. It takes you to the question 'Where are the kernel and kernel-module packages?' Full details are listed there. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 7 23:30:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05240 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:30:26 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26483 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:30:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24614 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10285-14900>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:30:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971801-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from [207.67.245.34] ([207.67.245.34]:20610 "EHLO ns1.netopolis.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971871-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:05:18 -0400 Received: from netopolis.net (dt0b0nfb.san.rr.com [204.210.50.251]) by ns1.netopolis.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA27558 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:43:45 -0700 Message-ID: <35A28CCC.1FEAB882@netopolis.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:02:05 -0700 From: Blake Binkley Organization: Netopolis, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ARM Linux Subject: Flash for Brutus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO #1 is there a flashfs for ARM Linux so that I can run Linux off of flash rather than a hard drive? #2 what is the minimum Flash card I should put into this brutus board so that I can put X and a few apps on it? #3 what is the minimum ram I should expect Linux running X to take up? Blake Binkley unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 8 00:43:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA05417 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:43:03 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26541 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:43:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:48977 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19464-14900>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:43:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971812-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:12:20 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138]:52760 "EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971863-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:45:59 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id XAA17552 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:44:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Jul 98 23:46:01 BST Received: (qmail 24923 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 22:43:59 -0000 Received: from servalan.ecs.soton.ac.uk (sce196@152.78.65.208) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 22:43:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:44:21 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Ellis To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: <199807031408.PAA00224@tanis.armlinux.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Sam Ellis writes: > > Installer asks which device to install from. I answer 'hard disk'. > > Installer asks me to choose a hard disk. There is only one choice: > > /dev/hda # > > which I select. Installer then says that there is no swap space defined, > > and would I like to 'Continue' or 'Cancel'. I select 'Continue', and the > > message 'rebooting' appears. > > > > Pressing ALT-F4 at this point reveals: > > > > Partition check: > > hda: [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 < hda 3 hda4 > > > Are you sure that you're using the latest installation disks? This looks > to be like a case of old fdisk on the install disk. The RedHat installer > uses fdisk to determine which partitions are available, and if it can't > handle the format (old versions didn't know about swap partitions on > Filecore disks), then it will say that. To be on the safe side I down-loaded them again. I obtained the following: rpc-2.0.34-1998.06.06 using the symbolic link supplemental-1998.05.03 using the other symbolic link Are these correct? I still suffer the same problems though - i.e. the swap file not being found, and a memory access violation occuring. On the ALT-F4 screen the text 'Linux version 2.0.34 #4 Sat Jun 6 ... 1998' appears. Sam Ellis. Department of Electronics & Computer Science University of Southampton unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 8 01:27:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05534 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:27:10 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA26555 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:27:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:48977 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19509-9853>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:27:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971120-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:51:06 -0400 Received: from post.interalpha.co.uk ([195.26.224.14]:15418 "EHLO post.interalpha.net" ident: "0") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971308-30357>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:39:18 -0400 Received: from pvigay.interalpha.co.uk (pompey-mod126.interalpha.net [195.26.225.154]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id AAA00627 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:38:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: ARMLinux List Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 07:48:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4861ca3adfpvigay@interalpha.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: <4861c6ff83bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 07 Jul, Stefan Bellon wrote: > On 06 Jul, Phil Norman wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Toby Haynes wrote: > > > inside the zip, and put this on my ADFS drive. I then followed the > > > instructions for installing ARMLinux from the Clan CD, including the > > These are, btw, available from my web site (URL in the sig). > Thanks! Helped me a lot! > Now I've ARMLinux installed. Now I have to configure it. :-/ > But one thing doesn't work: It doesn't find a kernel. When booting I > get an error 'invalid bmap magic in first sector of partition'. In the > FAQ there's that I have to execute loadmap. But then I get the error > message that /etc/boot.conf doesn't exist. What am I doing wrong? That's interesting. I get exactly the same, despite getting it all installed correctly etc. I have to enter root=/dev/hda3 at the extra parameter prompt when starting Linux to avoid it. I have almost completed writing my "Installing ARMLinux for Dummies" instructions, which I will put on my web page for people to Beta-read and give feedback. It will take you right from getting hold of the Clan CD, right through the installation process to running Linux for the first time. Hopefully, this may help total beginners to be a bit more confident at installing Linux for the first time. -- Paul Vigay Acorn Programming, __\\|//__ Internet Consultancy http://www.vigay.mcmail.com (` o-o ') & Web Design -----------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------------- Microsoft Windows - Just say NO! unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 8 10:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06650 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:32:05 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26604 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:32:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47889 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20397-3796>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:32:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971835-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 04:30:03 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:14417 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971825-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 04:27:00 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25972; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:28:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:28:07 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: ARM Linux mailing list cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARMLinux installation problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, ARM Linux mailing list wrote: > Things went fine until I came to copy the RPMS zip file from my ADFS partition > to the linux partition. It complained that it couldn't find the file, which is > probably because the directory the drive was mounted into was empty. On > start-up the console displays the following on the partitions: If the directory it was mounted into was empty, that means it didn't get mounted. > hda: [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 < hda3 hda4 > > > Typing 'mount -t adfs /dev/hda1 adfs' gives a mount list of (amongst over > entries): > > /tmp/hda1 adfs adfs rw 0 0 Erm.... *boggle*. 'mount' on its own should give you a list of entries, but 'mount -t adfs /dev/hda1 adfs' should mount the thing and give no output. In fact, this kind of output is completely wrong for the output of 'mount'. It looks more like the contents of /etc/fstab (the filesystem table). Are you >SURE< you're typing in the right thing? -- Rule of programming #2: Everything that can go wrong will go wrong, but only on other people's configurations. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 8 11:17:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06770 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:17:24 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26610 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:17:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11118 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19564-3796>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:16:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971830-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:14:37 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:43465 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971842-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:12:35 -0400 Received: from (regretta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.217.62] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytrEY-0006cW-00; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:13:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:12:48 +0000 (GMT) From: ARM Linux mailing list Subject: Re: ARMLinux installation problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed 08 Jul, Phil Norman wrote: > > Typing 'mount -t adfs /dev/hda1 adfs' gives a mount list of (amongst over > > entries): > > > > /tmp/hda1 adfs adfs rw 0 0 > > Erm.... *boggle*. 'mount' on its own should give you a list of entries, > but 'mount -t adfs /dev/hda1 adfs' should mount the thing and give no > output. > > In fact, this kind of output is completely wrong for the output of > 'mount'. It looks more like the contents of /etc/fstab (the filesystem > table). Are you >SURE< you're typing in the right thing? Sorry, wasn't very clear an example session would be: # mount -t adfs /dev/hda1 adfs # mount < Other entries> /tmp/hda1 adfs adfs rw 0 0 # ls -al adfs Total 0 # Andrew -- Andrew Miles unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 8 14:52:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07145 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:52:15 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26638 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:52:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27237 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20427-9853>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:51:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970807-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:48:58 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:41479 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970978-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:46:42 -0400 Received: from (regretta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.217.62] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytuaY-0001mf-00; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:48:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:44:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Miles Subject: Re: ARMLinux installation problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > Things went fine until I came to copy the RPMS zip file from my ADFS partition > to the linux partition. It complained that it couldn't find the file, which > is probably because the directory the drive was mounted into was empty. On > start-up the console displays the following on the partitions: I've just noticed something, when I mount the directory I get the following on tty4: (7)ADFS: zone size 4030, IDs per zone 251, map address 2838E0 size 82 sectors (7)ADFS: sector size 512, map bit size 8192 and when I 'ls' the directory I get (again on tty4): (2)ADFS-fs error (devive 03:01): adfs_check_dir: corrupted directory inode 25300,253 Has mount been tested on high capacity filecore drives i.e. drives with a large file allocation unit greater than 512 bytes? I noticed somebody with a 4 Gb drive was having similar problems as me, only he had managed to install Linux before he encountered the problem. Andrew -- Andrew Miles unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 8 15:31:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07225 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:30:58 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26646 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:31:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:21813 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1217-9853>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:31:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970903-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:28:33 -0400 Received: from post.interalpha.co.uk ([195.26.224.14]:9399 "EHLO post.interalpha.net" ident: "0") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971080-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:28:15 -0400 Received: from pvigay.interalpha.co.uk (pompey-mod100.interalpha.net [195.26.225.128]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA27304 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:31:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:29:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4862784822pvigay@interalpha.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: ARMLinux installation problems Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Just a quick note to say that the first draft of my Dummies guide to installing Linux is now available online at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/8407/linux.html Do feel free to offer comments etc. I think I've got the directory name of the RPM files on the Clan CD wrong, but I left the CD at home, so I'll amend this tonight. The URL is not publically linked to from anywhere so not many people will see it yet. -- _/_/_/ _/ Paul Vigay _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Director of Operations, _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ The Independent Research Centre for _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Unexplained Phenomena (IRCUP). _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ Editor & Publisher of "Enigma" research journal. For Unexplained Research go to; http://www.interalpha.net/customer/pvigay unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 8 18:51:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07472 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:51:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26678 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:52:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57868 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20207-9853>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:50:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971221-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:47:36 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:35363 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971308-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:47:10 -0400 Received: from (jdmf.demon.co.uk) [194.222.96.219] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytyLI-0005IR-00; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:49:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:38:13 +0100 (BST) From: James Forrester Subject: Yet another with installation problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Hello. You want to know who I work for? Well, tough. 8-) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Sorry to add even more to the seemingly ever-growing number of people posting with installation problems, but here goes: I have installed the Red Hat distribution fine (I think I have done so - I have not been able to verify this since I cannot get to the prompt). However, I have been told that I need to find out about 'loadmaps' and boot.conf files to avoid getting the "invalid bmap magic in first sector of partition" errors (and get it to work); to get to the prompt, I have been told to enter 'root=/dev/hda3' as the extra argument when booting the kernel. However, this results in the following being displayed: # Partition check: # [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 # Ext2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended. # VFS Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). # Unable to open and initialise console. The machine the starts to endlessly repeat the line: # sh: memory violation at pc=0x00029cd8, lr=0x2000d060 (bad address= # 0x00000000, code 3) Something similar happens if I add ' ro' to the end of the extra argument as well (although errors claiming that hda3 is read only also occur), as had been suggested to me. Linux *has* been installed on the third partition of ADFS::4 (ie hda3), and the fourth (hda4) is the swap partition. I have no idea how to continue, and so any help would be greatly appreciated. Yours sincerely, -- James D. M. Forrester mailto:james@toth.org.uk Also: james@jdmf.demon.co.uk for0828d@westminster.org.uk The Oaktree-House talker, telnet://toth.org.uk unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 8 19:42:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07540 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:42:24 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26691 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:42:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:9013 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6277-9853>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:42:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971256-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:39:00 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:58000 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971550-30357>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:37:42 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA19979 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:39:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA25254; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:39:51 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:39:51 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: glibc Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-2117150046-2078917053-899923191=:17272" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO This message is in MIME format. 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Before that, when linking the library (I think) there were lots of lines of output from ld: /usr/local/arm-linuxelf/ld: BFD assertation fail in elf-arm32: line 14xx & 16yy (or something like that, it was several days ago). ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- ---2117150046-2078917053-899923191=:17272 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=text Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: bWFrZVsxXTogTGVhdmluZyBkaXJlY3RvcnkgYC91c3Ivc3JjL2dsaWJjLTIu MC45NC9jdHlwZScNCm1ha2UgIC1DIGRiMiBvdGhlcnMNCm1ha2VbMV06IEVu dGVyaW5nIGRpcmVjdG9yeSBgL3Vzci9zcmMvZ2xpYmMtMi4wLjk0L2RiMicN Cg0KLi4uDQoNCmFybS1saW51eGVsZi1nY2MgLW5vc3RkbGliIC1ub3N0YXJ0 ZmlsZXMgLW8gbWFrZWRiICAtV2wsLWR5bmFtaWMtbGlua2VyPS91c3IvbG9j YWwvbGliL2xkLWxpbnV4LnNvLjIgIC4uL2NzdS9jcnQxLm8gLi4vY3N1L2Ny dGkubyBgYXJtLWxpbnV4ZWxmLWdjYyAtLXByaW50LWZpbGUtbmFtZT1jcnRi ZWdpbi5vYCBtYWtlZGIubyBsaWJkYi5zby4zICAtV2wsLXJwYXRoLWxpbms9 Li46Li4vbWF0aDouLi9lbGY6Li4vbnNzOi4uL25pczouOi4uL3J0Oi4uL3Jl c29sdjouLi9saW51eHRocmVhZHMgLi4vbGliYy5zby42IC4uL2xpYmNfbm9u c2hhcmVkLmEgLWxnY2MgIGBhcm0tbGludXhlbGYtZ2NjIC0tcHJpbnQtZmls ZS1uYW1lPWNydGVuZC5vYCAuLi9jc3UvY3J0bi5vDQouLi9saWJjLnNvLjY6 IHVuZGVmaW5lZCByZWZlcmVuY2UgdG8gYF9fc3lzY2FsbF9fc3lzY3RsJw0K Li4vbGliYy5zby42OiB1bmRlZmluZWQgcmVmZXJlbmNlIHRvIGBfX3N5c2Nh bGxfcHJlYWQ2NCcNCi4uL2xpYmMuc28uNjogdW5kZWZpbmVkIHJlZmVyZW5j ZSB0byBgX19zeXNjYWxsX3B3cml0ZTY0Jw0KbWFrZVsxXTogKioqIFttYWtl ZGJdIEVycm9yIDENCm1ha2VbMV06IExlYXZpbmcgZGlyZWN0b3J5IGAvdXNy L3NyYy9nbGliYy0yLjAuOTQvZGIyJw0KDQo= ---2117150046-2078917053-899923191=:17272-- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 9 17:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08691 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:23:20 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27022 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:24:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20038 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10578-14900>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:23:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971562-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:16:10 -0400 Received: from gnu.in-berlin.de ([192.109.42.4]:4386 "EHLO mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971842-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:14:26 -0400 Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (root@hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01391 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:18:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yoda!yoda.in-berlin.de!voss@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: by hirsch.in-berlin.de (Smail3.2.0.98) from yoda with uucp id ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:18:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yoda.in-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #0) id m0yuLLC-000000C; Thu, 9 Jul 98 16:22 GMT Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:17:53 +0200 From: Stefan Voss To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF Message-ID: <3a1166348%voss@yoda.in-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Individual Network (IN), Berlin, Germany X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO In message Philip Blundell wrote: > > No; ELF symbols have _no_ leading underscore. The `__' symbols are probably > functions in libgcc. If you post the actual messages I might be able to guess > what's wrong. Then I probably did something wrong. I'm going to start (almost) from scratch. Here's a more detailed description of errors I came across when compiling gcc 2.8.1 for ELF. Previous steps like compiling gcc and binutils for a.out and compiling binutils for ELF were ok. Configure was run as follows: # ./configure --target=arm-unknown-linuxelf --host=arm-unknown-linuxaout --prefix=/usr/local So the system should produce ELF but run on an a.out machine. [voss@yoda gcc-2.8.1]$ make LANGUAGES=c ... rm -f tmplibgcc1.a libgcc1.S cp ./config/arm/lib1funcs.asm libgcc1.S for name in _udivsi3 _divsi3 _umodsi3 _modsi3 _dvmd_lnx; \ do \ echo ${name}; \ ./xgcc -B./ -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DCROSS_COMPILE -DIN_GCC -g -I./include -g0 -I. -I. -I./config -c -DL${name} libgcc1.S; \ if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then true; else exit 1; fi; \ mv libgcc1.o ${name}.o; \ /usr/local/arm-unknown-linuxelf/bin/ar rc tmplibgcc1.a ${name}.o; \ rm -f ${name}.o; \ done _udivsi3 _divsi3 _umodsi3 _modsi3 _dvmd_lnx libgcc1.S:430: asm/unistd.h: No such file or directory Hmm, asm/unistd.h cannot be found but I'm sure I have such a file [voss@yoda include]$ ls -l /usr/include/asm/unistd.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11931 Jun 20 13:49 /usr/include/asm/unistd.h Let's see what directories unistd.h is looked for: [voss@yoda gcc-2.8.1]$ ./xgcc -v -B./ -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DCROSS_COMPILE -DIN_GCC -g -I./include -g0 -I. -I. -I./config -c -DL_dvmd_lnx libgcc1.S Reading specs from ./specs gcc version 2.8.1 ./cpp -lang-asm -v -I./include -I. -I. -I./config -isystem ./include -undef -$ -Dunix -Darm -Dlinux -D__ELF__ -D__unix__ -D__arm__ -D__linux__ -D__ELF__ -D__unix -D__arm -D__linux -Asystem(unix) -Asystem(posix) -Acpu(arm) -Amachine(arm) -D__ASSEMBLER__ -D__CHAR_UNSIGNED__ -D__OPTIMIZE__ -g -g0 -D__ARM_ARCH_3__ -D__APCS_26__ -DCROSS_COMPILE -DIN_GCC -DL_dvmd_lnx libgcc1.S /tmp/cca10581.s GNU CPP version 2.8.1 (ARM GNU/Linux with ELF) #include "..." search starts here: #include <...> search starts here: include . config include End of search list. libgcc1.S:430: asm/unistd.h: No such file or directory So asm/unistd.h is not found because /usr/include isn't searched. That probably ok because we don't want to handle system includes at this stage of the compilation. I'll just make a link so that asm/unistd.h is found. [voss@yoda asm]$ pwd /export/gcc-2.8.1/include/asm [voss@yoda asm]$ ls -l total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 voss voss 25 Jul 9 13:16 unistd.h -> /usr/include/asm/unistd.h [voss@yoda gcc-2.8.1]$ make LANGUAGES=c ... gcc -v -c -DCROSS_COMPILE -DIN_GCC -g -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I./config ./cp/g++spec.c Reading specs from ./specs gcc version 2.8.1 /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.8.1/cpp -lang-c -v -I. -I. -I./config -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=8 -Dunix -Darm -Dlinux -D__ELF__ -D__unix__ -D__arm__ -D__linux__ -D__ELF__ -D__unix -D__arm -D__linux -Asystem(unix) -Asystem(posix) -Acpu(arm) -Amachine(arm) -D__CHAR_UNSIGNED__ -g -D__ARM_ARCH_3__ -D__APCS_26__ -DCROSS_COMPILE -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H ./cp/g++spec.c /tmp/cca11608.i GNU CPP version 2.8.1 (ARM GNU/Linux with a.out) #include "..." search starts here: #include <...> search starts here: . config /usr/local/include /usr/arm-unknown-linuxaout/include /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.8.1/include /usr/include End of search list. /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.8.1/cc1 /tmp/cca11608.i -quiet -dumpbase g++spec.c -g -version -o /tmp/cca11608.s GNU C version 2.8.1 (arm-unknown-linuxaout) compiled by GNU C version 2.8.1. as -o g++spec.o /tmp/cca11608.s gcc -v -DCROSS_COMPILE -DIN_GCC -g -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o g++ g++.o g++spec.o prefix.o \ version.o choose-temp.o pexecute.o obstack.o ` case "gcc -v" in "cc") echo "" ;; esac ` Reading specs from ./specs gcc version 2.8.1 ld -dynamic-linker /lib/elf/ld-linux.so.2 -o g++ crt1.o crti.o ./crtbegin.o -L/usr/local/qt/lib -L. -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.8.1 -L/usr/arm-unknown-linuxaout/lib g++.o g++spec.o prefix.o version.o choose-temp.o pexecute.o obstack.o -lgcc -lc -lgcc ./crtend.o crtn.o ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory make: *** [g++] Error 1 Why is g++ built now? I thought I only told make to build the C compiler, not the C++ compiler. And why does ld try to produce an ELF binary? Should that be still an a.out binary? Maybe I have progressed too far. Isn't xgcc the result I wanted? A C compiler running as a.out producing ELF. > > p. > Regards, Stefan -- Stefan Voss (voss@yoda.in-berlin.de) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 9 18:57:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA08845 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:57:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27080 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:58:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25184 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1674-15808>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:57:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971562-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:46:50 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:3741 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971850-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:45:55 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yuKjV-0003mw-00; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:43:49 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Voss cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:17:53 +0200." <3a1166348%voss@yoda.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:43:48 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >So asm/unistd.h is not found because /usr/include isn't searched. That's because you told GCC to build as a cross-compiler. You need to symlink /usr/include/asm into /usr/arm-linux/include/asm. (Incidentally, you should really use `arm-linux' rather than `arm-linuxelf' as the machine name; the latter will probably stop working fairly soon.) >Why is g++ built now? I thought I only told make to build the C >compiler, not the C++ compiler. I think that's a problem with the gcc makefile. If you edit it and remove cp from the LANGUAGES definition you should get the result you want. >And why does ld try to produce an ELF >binary? It seems to be picking up the new specs file too early. I think this can happen if you have some path variable set wrong in your environment. Check that things like PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH don't contain `.' or an empty component. >Maybe I have progressed too far. Isn't xgcc the result I wanted? A >C compiler running as a.out producing ELF. Actually, yes it is. If xgcc, cpp and libgcc.a have all been built then you have probably succeeded but you'll need to install them by hand if the build won't run to completion. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 9 21:02:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09063 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:02:12 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27150 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:02:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25905 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6977-3796>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:02:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971866-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:56:01 -0400 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]:3907 "EHLO relay2.UU.NET" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971915-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:52:35 -0400 Received: from xedia.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQexid08510; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00730; Thu, 9 Jul 98 15:57:43 EDT Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA20233; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:57:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:57:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199807091957.PAA20233@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: philb@gnu.org Cc: voss@yoda.in-berlin.de, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF References: <3a1166348%voss@yoda.in-berlin.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >>>>> "Philip" == Philip Blundell writes: >>... >> Why is g++ built now? I thought I only told make to build the C >> compiler, not the C++ compiler. Philip> I think that's a problem with the gcc makefile. If you edit Philip> it and remove cp from the LANGUAGES definition you should get Philip> the result you want. Easier is simply to say LANGUAGES=c on the make command. Incidentally, if you do that, be sure to use that same LANGUAGES option on the make install, otherwise it will at that time try to build the rest. Ugh. paul unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 9 21:41:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09080 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:41:42 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27162 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:42:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:61960 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10410-3796>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:42:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971634-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:33:20 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1257 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971906-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:29:35 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA20394; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:34:02 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29572; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:33:29 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA00350; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:34:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199807091834.TAA00350@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Error report for ELF To: voss@yoda.in-berlin.de (Stefan Voss) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:34:35 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <3a1166348%voss@yoda.in-berlin.de> from "Stefan Voss" at Jul 9, 98 06:17:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Stefan Voss writes: > > In message > Philip Blundell wrote: > > > > > No; ELF symbols have _no_ leading underscore. The `__' symbols are probably > > functions in libgcc. If you post the actual messages I might be able to guess > > what's wrong. > > Then I probably did something wrong. I'm going to start (almost) from > scratch. Please continue this discussion on the elf-arm@lists.barnet.ac.uk mailing list rather than the ARM Linux mailing list. See my web page for the subscription instructions. Thanks. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 9 22:16:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09158 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:16:21 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27191 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:17:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18800 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20221-9853>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:16:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971925-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:10:54 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:3786 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971920-18554>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:10:23 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yuNqi-0003vP-00; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:03:28 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Paul Koning cc: voss@yoda.in-berlin.de, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:57:35 EDT." <199807091957.PAA20233@tonga.xedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:03:28 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >>>>>> "Philip" == Philip Blundell writes: > > >>... > >> Why is g++ built now? I thought I only told make to build the C > >> compiler, not the C++ compiler. > > Philip> I think that's a problem with the gcc makefile. If you edit > Philip> it and remove cp from the LANGUAGES definition you should get > Philip> the result you want. > >Easier is simply to say LANGUAGES=c on the make command. That's the point. Under some circumstances that doesn't work and you still end up with everything getting built. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 10 19:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10608 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:01:48 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27578 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:02:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:34569 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19906-14900>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:01:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971978-5431>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:23:08 -0400 Received: from mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.48.8]:34497 "HELO mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971997-5431>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:59:32 -0400 Received: from mraosc.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #2) id m0yueUn-0004MKC; Fri, 10 Jul 98 15:49 BST Received: from localhost by mraosc.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:49:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:49:55 +0100 (BST) From: Toby Haynes X-Sender: tjwh1@mraosc To: ARM Linux Subject: A couple of ommissions? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO I installed (successfully) ARM Linux about a couple of weeks ago, and having started compiling various bits and pieces with a vengence, I've noticed a number of files missing ... Firstly, a lot of the header files in /usr/include/ themselves point to ./linux/ files. On a clean install, I didn't get a /usr/include/linux/ directory. My fix for this has simply been to make a ./linux/ directory and copy all the headers into it as well, but I fear this may merely be storing up the agony for later... Secondly (and I almost died of shock when I discovered this! :-) ) there doesn't appear to be a copy of python in the standard install tree. I've built the locatedb so I'm fairly sure I haven't overlooked anything... Since python is relied upon by lots of utilities (such as glint for starters) this causes lots of grief... One strange thing I have also noticed is that Linux doesn't seem to like some of my RiscOS screen modes - particularly 1100x800 and 1100x850. I end up with a diagonally sheared screen, going left two pixels for every new line down. I guess I'm missing something but I can't guess what (unless it has to be a 64bit aligned screen address for the start of each line?). 1024x768 and 1280x1024 are fine. Lastly, a lot of the arm binary rpm's wipe out on my machine, from xsnooker to xgal. More frustratingly though, I've had trouble with the rpm manager failing to recognise the data type of SRPMS, with errors like 'Data type 9 not recognised'. Is a recompile in order? These are all RedHat 5.0/5.1 SRPMS. Cheers, Toby PS Is the elf-arm mail archive down? The archives directory appears not to exist and majordomo is telling me that there are no files. _______________________________________________________________________ Toby Haynes | "Alarm clock? Oh, you mean the sad pile of Rm 965, MRAO | cogs and twisted springs under that dent Uni. of Cambridge | in the wall?" unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 10 20:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10794 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:57:31 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27671 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:58:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31324 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19922-15808>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:57:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971715-5431>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:42:02 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:3924 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972195-5431>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:05:05 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yuhYZ-0004YS-00; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:06:03 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Toby Haynes cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: A couple of ommissions? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:49:55 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:06:03 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Firstly, a lot of the header files in /usr/include/ themselves point to >./linux/ files. On a clean install, I didn't get a /usr/include/linux/ >directory. You need to install the kernel source and make symlinks. This is in the FAQ. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 11 00:51:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11304 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:51:26 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27855 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:52:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28499 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19781-9853>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:52:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971132-26836>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:43:41 -0400 Received: from andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk ([195.7.224.147]:30811 "EHLO andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971089-26836>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:43:21 -0400 Received: from lizard (th-pm00-36.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.36]) by andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA28289 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:51:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199807102351.AAA28289@andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Odhams" Organization: None To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:52:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ICS IDEFS Partition Table Problem X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, Some help required here. I fitted a second IDE interface (ICS ARCIN V6) and a second harddrive to my RPC600 specifically for Linux. The later kernels now recognise the ICS podule (thanks for that) but !Partman (1.13a7 - May 5 1998) refuses to create the partition table. hdc1 is 10M of filecore partition, the next partition (hdc2 but should be hdc3) appears to be Linux native followed by a swap partition (hdc3) but no partition table (should be hdc2) is created whatever I try. Can I be the only person to experience this problem, if not what is the solution? ----------- David Odhams unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 11 08:12:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA11491 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:12:46 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27938 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:13:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:4366 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19587-14900>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:12:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971047-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:03:59 -0400 Received: from rasty.ph.unimelb.edu.au ([128.250.51.23]:5861 "EHLO rasty.ph.unimelb.edu.au" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970985-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:03:43 -0400 Received: by rasty.ph.unimelb.edu.au id m0yutmS-0000BWC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:09:12 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: From: paul@rasty.ph.unimelb.edu.au (Paul Gortmaker) Subject: File drivers/acorn/net/net-probe.c obsolete To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:09:12 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I'm posting this here as per the MAINTAINERS list as a courtesy. A patch I've proposed to drivers/net/Space.c as can be seen on http://samba.anu.edu.au/linux-patches as patch reference #222 (I think...) restructures the Space.c file and integrates the ARM probes from net-probe.c which makes said ARM file obsolete. Hope this helps, Paul. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 11 10:03:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11570 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:03:44 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27954 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:04:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59996 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19761-3796>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:04:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971653-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:55:31 -0400 Received: from gnu.in-berlin.de ([192.109.42.4]:3993 "EHLO mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971640-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:55:12 -0400 Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (root@hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20357 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:03:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yoda!yoda.in-berlin.de!voss@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: by hirsch.in-berlin.de (Smail3.2.0.98) from yoda with uucp id ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:03:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yoda.in-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #0) id m0yuxNn-000000C; Sat, 11 Jul 98 08:59 GMT Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:49:44 +0200 From: Stefan Voss To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Error report for ELF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Individual Network (IN), Berlin, Germany X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO In message , Philip Blundell wrote: > [...] > > >Why is g++ built now? I thought I only told make to build the C > >compiler, not the C++ compiler. > > I think that's a problem with the gcc makefile. If you edit it and remove cp > from the LANGUAGES definition you should get the result you want. OK, that did the trick. Thanks! > > >And why does ld try to produce an ELF > >binary? > > It seems to be picking up the new specs file too early. I think this can > happen if you have some path variable set wrong in your environment. Check > that things like PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH don't contain `.' or an empty > component. Good guess again. I had LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH ending with a colon so that the current working directory was searched for libs. Now the compilation ends sucessfully. As requested by Russell I'm going to direct further ELF questions/problems to the elf-arm mailing list. > > p. > Regards, Stefan -- Stefan Voss (voss@yoda.in-berlin.de) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 11 12:57:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11716 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:57:02 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27961 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:58:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:29256 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20049-3796>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:58:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970843-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 06:48:59 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1909 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970938-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 06:48:31 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA29648; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:56:50 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA32184; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:25:03 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA00730; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:26:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199807111126.MAA00730@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARMLinux installation problems To: linux_mail@regretta.demon.co.uk (Andrew Miles) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:26:05 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Miles" at Jul 8, 98 01:44:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Andrew Miles writes: > I've just noticed something, when I mount the directory I get the following > on tty4: > > (7)ADFS: zone size 4030, IDs per zone 251, map address 2838E0 size 82 sectors > (7)ADFS: sector size 512, map bit size 8192 That looks a bit strange. The sector size is 512 bytes. There are normally 2 maps on an ADFS disk (take map address * sector size) - yours should be at the following disk addresses: 0x2838e0 * 512 = 0x5071c000 (0x2838e0 + 82) * 512 = 0x50726400 > and when I 'ls' the directory I get (again on tty4): > (2)ADFS-fs error (devive 03:01): adfs_check_dir: corrupted directory inode > 25300,253 Ok, so this is telling me that the fragment is 2, and the sector offset is 0x53 - 1 = 0x52. 0x52 is 82. Therefore, the second copy of the map is the root directory. This is where it's falling down. I can't see anything in PRM#2 that defines a change in the internal disc addresses. Can you check PRM#5/5a please, especially for anything which indicates that the structure of the internal disk address has changed. I did have a look in a PRM#5/5a, and I thought I had covered it all. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 11 18:12:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12070 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:12:21 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28019 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:13:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20485 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20145-3796>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:13:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971053-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:04:22 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:38697 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971267-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:04:05 -0400 Received: from (regretta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.217.62] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yv3CF-0000yW-00; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:12:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:08:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Miles Subject: Re: ARMLinux installation problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199807111126.MAA00730@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: None X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Sat 11 Jul, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Andrew Miles writes: > > I've just noticed something, when I mount the directory I get the following > > on tty4: > > > > (7)ADFS: zone size 4030, IDs per zone 251, map address 2838E0 size 82 sectors > > (7)ADFS: sector size 512, map bit size 8192 > > That looks a bit strange. The sector size is 512 bytes. There are normally 2 > maps on an ADFS disk (take map address * sector size) - yours should be at > the following disk addresses: > 0x2838e0 * 512 = 0x5071c000 > (0x2838e0 + 82) * 512 = 0x50726400 > > > and when I 'ls' the directory I get (again on tty4): > > (2)ADFS-fs error (devive 03:01): adfs_check_dir: corrupted directory inode > > 25300,253 > > Ok, so this is telling me that the fragment is 2, and the sector offset is > 0x53 - 1 = 0x52. 0x52 is 82. > > Therefore, the second copy of the map is the root directory. This is where > it's falling down. I can't see anything in PRM#2 that defines a change in > the internal disc addresses. Can you check PRM#5/5a please, especially for > anything which indicates that the structure of the internal disk address > has changed. The PRM Volume 5a has the following to say: Disc record The disc record (page 2-202) has been extended to support large discs. This uses some of the reserved bytes at the end of the record, the tail end of which now is as follows: Offset Name Meaning 36 disc_size_2 Most significant word of disc size, in bytes 40 share_size bits 0-3: log2 (sharing granularity in sectors) bits 4-7: reserved - must be zero 41 big_flag bit 0: set -> RISC OS partition is > 512 MB bits 1-7: reserved - Must be zero 42-59 Reserved - must be zero The disc_size_2 field gives the most significant word of the disc size, and so is used for discs of over 4 GB. (The least significant word is held in the disc_size field.) The big_flag bit is so FileCore can tell at mount time whether or not the RISC OS filing system on the disc is big (ie > 512 MB in size), and hence whether or not it uses the new logical format. It cannot use the disc_size fields for this, since a disc of over 512 MB may only have a small RISC OS partition, and use the rest of the disc for RISC iX^H^H^H^H^H^H^HARMLinux. The share_size field controls the granularity of sharing. Internal disc addresses FileCore can share the use of a disc object on a new map disc (ie a logical group of fragments) between many objects (ie files or directories). The objects must either be a directory and files within that directory, or files that have the same parent directory. There may not be more than one directory in any disc object, since the directory must always be at the start of the disc record. New map discs use an internal disc address (see page 2-209) to refer to shared objects, specifying them in terms of their fragment id (0-&7FFF), and their offset within the disc object (0-254, stored as 1-255). Under RISC OS 3.5 and earlier, the offset is in units of sectors, which with a 512 byte sector size corresponds to 0-127 KB. Thus FileCore can only share the first 254 sectors (127 KB for our example) of a shared disc object, and if the smallest fragment size is larger than this FieCore cannot share all the space in shared disc objects. >From RISC OS 3.6 onwards, you can increase the granuality of the offset within the disc object. It now gives the offset in units of 2^share_size sectors, where share_size comes from the disc record. You should ensure that if you format a disc, share_size is sufficiently large for the following to be true: smallest fragment size <= (254 * s^log2secsize * 2^share_size) FileCore can then share all the space within a shared disc object. The value of my share_size is 1, thus the address of my disc map is actually calculated as follows: (0x2838e0 + (82 * 2^1)) * 512 = 0x50730800 A look with a disc editor reveals this to be the correct address. Andrew -- Andrew Miles unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 11 19:43:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12166 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:43:29 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28035 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:44:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:38753 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19672-9853>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:44:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971376-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:31:11 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138]:39950 "EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971443-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:28:23 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id TAA06236 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:36:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Jul 98 19:38:26 BST Received: (qmail 14807 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1998 18:36:21 -0000 Received: from servalan.ecs.soton.ac.uk (sce196@152.78.65.208) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 18:36:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:36:48 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Ellis To: Andrew Miles Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Andrew Miles wrote: > Sam Ellis writes: > > Installer asks which device to install from. I answer 'hard disk'. > > Installer asks me to choose a hard disk. There is only one choice: > > /dev/hda # > > which I select. Installer then says that there is no swap space defined, > > and would I like to 'Continue' or 'Cancel'. I select 'Continue', and the > > message 'rebooting' appears. > > > > Pressing ALT-F4 at this point reveals: > > > > Partition check: > > hda: [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 < hda 3 hda4 > > > Have you found a solution to this problem yet, as I've just got passed one > problem only to be encountered with this one? > > Just a pet theory of mine, hda wouldn't happen to be greater than 2 Gb would > it? Yes it is! I spent most of Friday repeatedly formatting my hard disk and reinstalling Linux. I tried various sizes of adfs partitions, and found that if the adfs partiton was 2007Mb Linux would find it's partitions, but when the ADFS partition was 2076Mb it would complain. Having found a solution to this problem I am now faced with many others, although I can now get to a Linux prompt and run a few programs. BTW, during the scanning of the RPMS files, lots of errors like the following occured: comps Error package cproto at line 110 dne' Anyone know what these mean? Are they important, and if so, how do I fix them. Sam Ellis. Department of Electronics & Computer Science University of Southampton unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 11 20:11:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12175 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:11:16 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28040 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:12:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28184 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10336-3796>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:12:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971376-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:02:49 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1528 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971440-26836>; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:01:56 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA04883; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:10:23 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00994; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:09:42 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA05456; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:10:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199807111910.UAA05456@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Trouble Installing ARM Linux To: sce196@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sam Ellis) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:10:32 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sam Ellis" at Jul 11, 98 07:36:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Sam Ellis writes: > On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Andrew Miles wrote: > > Sam Ellis writes: > > Just a pet theory of mine, hda wouldn't happen to be greater than 2 Gb would > > it? > Yes it is! > I spent most of Friday repeatedly formatting my hard disk and reinstalling > Linux. I tried various sizes of adfs partitions, and found that if the > adfs partiton was 2007Mb Linux would find it's partitions, but when the > ADFS partition was 2076Mb it would complain. Ok, I think that I've fixed the problem causing Linux to be unable to mount ADFS partitions >2GB properly. Patches and kernels available tomorrow. I'll check the other code as well later tonight (once I've proven that I haven't broken ADFS). It'll be up to you guys to verify that this does indeed fix the problem, since I don't have any partitions (nor drives) this big yet. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 12 20:37:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13526 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:37:46 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28281 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:39:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:23088 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1906-3796>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:39:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971726-26836>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:29:02 -0400 Received: from hikmail2.fzk.de ([141.52.2.5]:45055 "HELO hikmail2.fzk.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971587-26836>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:28:44 -0400 Received: from windose (actually dialin15.fzk.de) by hikmail2 with Local-SMTP (PP); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:37:11 +0200 From: Roland Fritz Organization: Rudolph&Rohnacher To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:36:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Partman Reply-to: roland@hik.fzk.de References: <"hikmail2.f.910:02.07.98.08.28.14"@hikmail2.fzk.de> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Message-ID: <"hikmail2.f.015:12.07.98.19.37.12"@hikmail2.fzk.de> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > There certainly *is* a writing partman. I don't know exactly where it is > but it may be inside the RedHat directory somewhere. I found out the problem isn't writing the partition table but my HD. There was a FAT partition on it and so a PC partition table. This can't be written :-( So I formatted it but you can't create linux-only hd with !partman :-( I had to create a small RiscOS patition (with !ideformat) on it before !partman was able to do his work... Is this a known 'feature'? Roland. ========================================================= Roland Fritz roland@hik.fzk.de Magdeburger Ring 29 76344 Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen Germany ========================================================= unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 12 20:57:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13538 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:57:09 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28287 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:58:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12132 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1239-14900>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:58:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971726-26836>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:47:48 -0400 Received: from hikmail2.fzk.de ([141.52.2.5]:45071 "HELO hikmail2.fzk.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971728-26836>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:47:30 -0400 Received: from windose (actually dialin15.fzk.de) by hikmail2 with Local-SMTP (PP); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:54:05 +0200 From: Roland Fritz Organization: Rudolph&Rohnacher To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:53:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ether3 not found Reply-to: roland@hik.fzk.de X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Message-ID: <"hikmail2.f.034:12.07.98.19.54.06"@hikmail2.fzk.de> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi! When installing the ether3 can't be found. System is RPC 600 with 32 MB, 2 IDE HD and a borrowed ether3. My etherM is AFAIK not supported. I know this problem was discussed here before but that was a problem with SA Could someone please enlighten me... Roland. ========================================================= Roland Fritz roland@hik.fzk.de Magdeburger Ring 29 76344 Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen Germany ========================================================= unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 12 22:25:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13615 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:25:04 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28298 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:26:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:33392 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1639-3796>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:25:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971746-26836>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:15:18 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:2010 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971567-26836>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:13:53 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA30716; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:23:25 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03943; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:22:34 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA04176; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:23:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199807122123.WAA04176@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ether3 not found To: roland@hik.fzk.de Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:23:31 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <"hikmail2.f.034:12.07.98.19.54.06"@hikmail2.fzk.de> from "Roland Fritz" at Jul 12, 98 09:53:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Roland Fritz writes: > When installing the ether3 can't be found. System is RPC 600 with 32 MB, > 2 IDE HD and a borrowed ether3. My etherM is AFAIK not supported. > I know this problem was discussed here before but that was a problem with SA > Could someone please enlighten me... > Roland. I have a new ether3 driver on it's way, however it has been delayed due to the London tube strike tomorrow. (if you can work that out, then you're a genius)! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 12 23:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13728 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:43:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28328 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:44:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:6416 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1606-14900>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:43:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971760-26836>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:24:46 -0400 Received: from timandra.demon.co.uk ([158.152.92.5]:1747 "HELO timandra.demon.co.uk" ident: "user") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971776-26836>; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:18:49 -0400 Received: from linux.lan.lnet ([10.0.0.8]) by timandra.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:39:47 GMT Message-ID: <35A93A66.D43478EF@null.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:36:23 +0000 From: Simon N C Kirk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Installation problems of one kind or another.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I was wondering if anybody could help me? I've been having two-fold problems with installing armlinux on an a5000 with 4 megs of memory. Here's the details: The first problem: I've tried to install linux with the RPMS available on NFS. However, the redhat install program does not detect my ethernet card at all. I have an ANT Ethernet card, here's the blurb from the kernel bootup regarding the expansion cards (I have, incidentally, tried taking all the other expansion cards out, except the Colourcard which is needed for my monitor and retrying, and also taking the ethernet card and trying other podule slots)... 0:[0053:00A4] ANT Ethernet (00:02:07:02:bb:00) Acorn Access / AUN (DCI4) 1:[003F:0039] The Serial Port Dual Serial Card (Issue 2) 2:[000C:0063] Ultimate HCCS 1992, 1993 3:[0009:0050] Wild Vision / CC ColourCard Issue 2.1 I also whipped out the network card and had a look at the chips (as I've already read the FAQ for all the tips I could muster and the instructions for trying to solve installation problems for cards suggested looking at the chips themselves) Chips: SEEQ 9724 0537201 VP06652- NQ80C04A AEDLC SEEQ P08020 9635 SEEQ P083092A 9338 ACORN JED I think it was the ROM with the RiscOS software on it but here's this chip anyway AUN[]Acess[]TCP/IP[] ANT Limited 1994 Acorn Computers 1994 S/N 28818 GTS S05UO954 9627 GTS LPT100-05 9615 AEL870-4 20.0 11/93 And lastly there was the name of the card etched into it: Ethernet III Atomwide Sorry if this seems longwinded! I wanted to get all the information in here people might need. The second problem: As an alternative I have tried instead to use my harddisk instead, which of course requires the supplemental disk. unfortunately, after loading for a while the computer runs out of memory! So I don't know what's wrong there either. Is there any way to turn on a swap space at the bootloader prompt? Ah there's another point.. I know there should be a login prompt available at virtual console alt-F2 where I could indeed activate that swap space, but I have NO prompt available at alt-F2.. indeed that console doesn't even seem to exist, pressing alt-F2 does not do anything. As far as I know, the a5k kernel which is available on the ftp site is not supported or officially released by Russel yet, but I would really appreciate some help, as I'm completely stuck. If any more info is needed, please email me! Cheers, Simon ps I would buy a Risc-PC and get rid of these problems, but unfortunately I had to have a laptop as my main comp, and that meant a PC! =c) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 14 10:47:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16998 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:47:48 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28850 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:48:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60273 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1245-14900>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:46:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971827-26836>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:33:21 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:51051 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971838-26836>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:31:36 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08167; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:44:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.157]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17918; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:44:22 +0200 Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf2) id AA30485; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:44:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:44:20 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Roland Fritz Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Partman In-Reply-To: <"hikmail2.f.015:12.07.98.19.37.12"@hikmail2.fzk.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Roland Fritz wrote: > So I formatted it but you can't create linux-only hd with !partman :-( > I had to create a small RiscOS patition (with !ideformat) on it before > !partman was able to do his work... > Is this a known 'feature'? > > Roland. It is always that way. Since the normal ADFS doesn't allow partition tables (except the RiscIX ones), the !Linux partition table is put right behind the end of the ADFS partition. So in order to create one, there has to be an ADFS partition first. BTW, the linux kernels work with PC-style partition tables. I've got a SCSI HD shared between the PC card & Linux with no ADFS partition on it. It took a while to get it working (since the ADFS partition wouldn't disappear, I had to 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda' it away), but this is nothing I would suggest to unexperienced users. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 14 11:30:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17259 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:30:38 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28863 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:30:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63778 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19862-3796>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:30:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971857-26836>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:17:00 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:1603 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971852-26836>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:16:51 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14502 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:29:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:29:45 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Partman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Stefan Hanske wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Roland Fritz wrote: > > > So I formatted it but you can't create linux-only hd with !partman :-( > > I had to create a small RiscOS patition (with !ideformat) on it before > > !partman was able to do his work... > > Is this a known 'feature'? > > > > Roland. > > It is always that way. Since the normal ADFS doesn't allow partition > tables (except the RiscIX ones), the !Linux partition table is put right > behind the end of the ADFS partition. So in order to create one, there > has to be an ADFS partition first. Not strictly true. There are a few entries near the beginning of a FileCore partition which contain the start cylinder of the next partition and a number describing the type of that partition. Anyone can use this to create a new partition (or in armlinux's case, a new partition table) after the FileCore partition, not just RiscIX. RiscBSD does a similar thing, as does ARMLinux. Strangely, ARMLinux uses partition number 9, which is the same (AFAICR) as RiscIX. A bit odd, I thought. Unfortunately there is another problem. FileCore will assume that it is all-powerful, and the most important thing in the world, and will therefore assume that if there's no FileCore partition at the start of a disc, then it hasn't been formatted yet. Also, it's impossible to access a disc without using the FileCore disc access calls, and FileCore won't allow these to work without a FileCore partition. This is a pain in the neck. I have emailed Acorn several times asking them to get their act together and come up with a decent partition table which everyone can use (currently many 3rd party companies have their own partition systems since they see a need for one, especially in the light of the two unix ports), but Acorn seem unmoved in their stand against partitioning. I personally don't see any sense in it, since simply providing support for it wouldn't be difficult. Luckily, from what I've heard, at least one 3rd party company is looking into integrating their partition system with someone else's, so there may emerge a standard partition system without Acorn's input. No doubt they'll be miffed at this, but it's their own fault. Anyway, I really aught not to rant too much. If anyone disagrees with my utter loathing of Acorn's filing system (yes, all of it) just send me an email and I'll give you a nice big list of all its bad points. I've found rather a lot of them. Cheers, Phil -- Rule of programming #5: If a C program gives more than 50 compiler errors, you've missed out a semicolon. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 14 18:02:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18084 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:02:41 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28927 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:03:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:29736 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10911-3796>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:02:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970840-1094>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:48:48 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net ([195.34.192.14]:2742 "EHLO mail.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970791-1094>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:48:29 -0400 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.0); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:01:54 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.196.173] (SLmail 3.0.2423); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:01:53 0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:23:18 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: ppa.o (precomiled module) Message-ID: <3140946548%root@usa.net> Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hello, I am trying to get my friend's parallel port zip drive working under ArmLinux. I didn't have a lot of luck when I compiled support into the kernel, so am trying to use the precomiled module "ppa.o" for 2.0.34 under the precomiled 2.0.34 kernel (on a SA RPC). I am trying to run the module using "insmod ppa.o base=0x278" as stated in the FAQ, but the whole system just crashes and I need to reboot using the reset button. Am I doing something wrong, or could there be an incompatibility between ppa.o and my system? Any help is much appreciated, Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 14 19:32:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18200 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:32:50 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28943 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:33:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12416 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11210-15808>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:32:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970910-1094>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:15:11 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48]:26692 "EHLO irwell.zetnet.co.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971032-1094>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:13:42 -0400 Received: from [194.247.40.222] (man-175.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.222]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09198 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:27:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Molton To: ARMlinux mailing list Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:25:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4865a4effbmh120608@staffs.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Hi there... (A5000) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Well - I have got a set of partitions on my SCSI disc in the A5000 I tried to boot the kernel. The 2.0.30 kernel hangs (after the 1/2 Riscos / Linux prompt screen) The 2.0.31 kernel boots, and reports no SCSI hosts, although the card is detected (it's an Acorn SCSI 1) The floppy drive wont do anything - the light doesnt come on when I press enter after putting in the Root Floppy. any ideas? -- -Ian aka Lennier Acorn Computers, the best in the world http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ BaBe - Womens human rights organisation in Croatia http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/babe/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 14 22:39:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18470 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:39:06 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28968 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:39:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:56584 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11059-9853>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:38:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971119-1094>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:24:35 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1718 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971154-1094>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:24:11 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA23604; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:37:45 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05790; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:46:56 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00482; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:48:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199807141948.UAA00482@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Partman To: phil@oregan.net (Phil Norman) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:48:02 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Phil Norman" at Jul 14, 98 11:29:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Phil Norman writes: > thing, as does ARMLinux. Strangely, ARMLinux uses partition number 9, > which is the same (AFAICR) as RiscIX. A bit odd, I thought. They are? I'll have to thump them next time I see them - number 9 is *officially* allocated at Acorn to ARM Linux. ;) > Also, it's impossible to access a disc without using the FileCore disc > access calls, and FileCore won't allow these to work without a FileCore > partition. This is a pain in the neck. That's not actually quite true. Filecore will access a disk without a filecore partition on it, so long as you give it a filecore disk record to work with. It uses the disk record to track the shape of the drive (important for MFM drives), as well as verifing that you're not trying to do anything particularly stupid. If you don't give it a disk record, and there isn't a recognisable filecore image at the start of a disk, then filecore will just complain. (well, I said that it'd verify that you weren't doing anything stupid, but I /didn't/ say that it'd tell you that you were). This is how PartMan is able to access the contents of my 1GB SCSI disk, which only has a PC partition table on without Filecore complaining. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 15 00:06:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA18624 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:06:58 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29019 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:07:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:37160 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10295-15808>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:07:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970938-1094>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:52:58 -0400 Received: from central.caverock.co.nz ([202.37.100.1]:1693 "EHLO central.caverock.co.nz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970850-1094>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:52:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by central.caverock.co.nz (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03409 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:06:14 +1200 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:06:14 +1200 (NZST) From: Mark Lovell To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: armlinux install problems on my SA-RPC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hiya, I would be appreciative of any assistance anyone could give me with my (currently unsuccessful) armlinux installation on my StrongARM RiscPC. I have followed the instructions on www.arm.uk.linux.org pretty much to the letter (at least my interpretation of the instructions... ;) and have been able to boot into Linux with no problem right up to the point of selecting source media. (NFS/CD/Hard Disk etc) We have a LAN with a PC linux box containing the RedHat heirarchy (RPMS/base/instimage) mirrored from arm.uk.linux.org so I attempted first an FTP then an NFS install. I tried all of Ether H, Ether 1 and Ether 3 for my network card but all failed with a message something along the lines of "device not detected in system". My network card is an AEH78 (i-cubed co-ax/UTP combo card) The kernel boot messages show my expansion card being detected, card 8, i-cubed ethernet, hardware address details etc, however the install program isn't detecting it and aborts with the "device not detected in system" error message. The next thing I tried was tarring up the RPMS/base/instimage folders on the PC Linux box and dumping it on my adfs partition. Scrounging through the rpm files cpio provided me with tar so I then mke2fs'ed hdb3 (my linux native partition I created with !PartMan on my second IDE drive) and untarred the RedHat heirarchy onto hdb3. All sweet so far. I then try a hard drive install, now I am getting the message "Device hdb3 does not appear to contain a Red Hat installation tree" Having spent a few days on this now hacking round with this and that, abuse starts to flow freely. Trawled the web I found instimage apparently likes to be in two places (RedHat, and also up one directory) so did that, but still this persistent "Device hdb3 does not appear to contain a Red Hat installation tree". The directory on hdb3 I tried were "", "/", and "RedHat", and "/RedHat", and "RedHat/" and "/RedHat/" I stumbled across some interesting symlinks in /tmp showing me what the install proggy is trying to do, mounting /tmp/hdb3 onto /tmp/hdimage, but without the ln/cp/mv etc had trouble progressing much further by trying to fool the installer into getting its act together. Heres where I hope you can help! a) any ideas why my 600A network card (which according to arm.uk.linux.org is supported), isn't detected by the installer program (tried Ether 1, Ether 3 and Ether H, with both the co-ax and UTP interfaces... :-( ) b) and ideas why although I have RedHat/base, RedHat/RPMS and RedHat/instimage (and a copy in RedHat/../instimage, ie. instimage) directories on my linux native partition the installer program refuses to see them? Help! before I lose all my hair! ;) Many thanks and kindest regards, Mark -- Mark Lovell Cave Rock Software Ltd / Cave Rock Internet 0800 GETONLINE Phone: +64 3 3664242 (0800 438665) Fax: +64 3 3665478 Unit 1a 492 Moorhouse Ave, PO Box 22488, Christchurch, New Zealand unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 15 19:56:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19787 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:56:32 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29151 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:57:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12147 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10948-15808>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:56:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970790-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:40:22 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:35884 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970938-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:37:42 -0400 Received: from (regretta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.217.62] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywWfN-0003AK-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:52:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:48:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Miles Subject: Re: Support for > 2 Gb hard drives To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: None X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Good News: The new kernel mounts my filecore partition perfectly. Excellent. Bad News: I still have problems with fdisk generating the error 'Unable to read partition table'. I've downloaded the new root and supplemental disks. Andrew -- Andrew Miles unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 15 20:08:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19811 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:08:54 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29155 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:09:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30739 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20142-14900>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:09:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970790-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:51:11 -0400 Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU ([171.64.14.35]:59252 "EHLO mailhub.Stanford.EDU" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971135-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:50:50 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (pax-ca39-32.ix.netcom.com [199.35.219.160]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id MAA16539 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35ACFD3A.85BFF8CC@stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:04:27 +0000 From: Zsolt Kiraly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: ARMLinux on Brutus problems and angelboot (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi there, I got Deborah Wallach's port of ARMLinux for Brutus (SA-1100 eval platform), but I have not had any luck running it so far. I wonder if somebody could give me some tips. Here is what's happening. My host computer is a pc, with a PII300, running RedHat 5.1. I also dual boot into Win98. I have two free serial ports, so I connect ttyS0 to serial3 on the brutus, and ttyS1 to J22, whatever it's called. I compiled the angelboot program on my machine, but I'd like to use the precompiled kernel for now. It would be a lot better if I could get brutus on-line with that, and then worry about x-compiling stuff. I can get the Angel debug message fine when resetting brutus. Then I run the boot-brutus script, and everything seems fine, it downloads the kernel image, and the ramdisk image. It says "Starting...", and exits. In the meantime, I am still connected to J22 on the brutus, because that's where all the kernel startup messages are supposed to come, but nothing comes. I reconnect to serial3, and nothing. Noting on the brutus' screen either. So it's retty obvious the linux did not start up on brutus. Then I reset the board, but now nothing comes through on ttyS0. When I switch ttyS1 to serial3 on the brutus, and reset again, I get the Angel debug message. I switch ttyS0 back, and reset, I get nothing. I run boot-brutus again on ttyS0, and it again acts as if it works. So it seems that when angelboot exits, it leaves the port it used in an unusable state, but when I run it again, it resets the port, and it works again. Could it be that angelboot never actually downloaded the images, it just acts as everything is fine, but then everything is really not fine ? Hmm. I'd like somebody who knows angelboot to answer this. Can the angelboot included in the brutus linux distribution be compiled and run on a PII running Linux ? I know it was intended for an Alpha workstation, but I do not have access to that. My project can't spend $5000 - $8000 to make a $2500 piece of equipment to run. Also, I had to make some minor, I think inconsequential changes in angelboot to get it to compile: in lines 253 through 256 of angelboot.c there are shift instructions. The amount to shift by is specified in decimal, but the value to shift was hex. The compiler complained about being out of radix on the third one, where I had to shift by 8 (dec) So I just changed everything in those lines to hex: 0x18 for 24, 0x10 for 16, 0x08 for 8, and 0x00 for 0. This out of radix thing did not come up anywhere else, but can someone shed light on this ? Should I change all the shift by values to hex everywhere else ? So, anybody has any ideas ? Dave Rusling ? I believe you provided the angelboot to Debby ? Thanks, Zsolt unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 15 22:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19964 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:03:33 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29171 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:04:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49269 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20346-9853>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:02:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971230-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:46:25 -0400 Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU ([171.64.14.35]:64840 "EHLO mailhub.Stanford.EDU" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971247-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:46:04 -0400 Received: from zskiraly (pax-ca35-43.ix.netcom.com [207.92.151.235]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with SMTP id OAA29704; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002901bdb033$6aabb320$0301a8c0@zskiraly> Reply-To: "Zsolt Kiraly" From: "Zsolt Kiraly" To: "Deborah Wallach" Cc: Subject: Re: ARMLinux on Brutus problems and angelboot (long) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:59:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Thanks for the reply Debby, I appreciate your help. Yes, ttyS0 works. I can get the Angel debug messagethough it after reboot of the pc. It's only after running boot-brutus that it goes south. But it could be the speed issue. But if the speed is wrong I think I should get garbage instead of nothing. I will definately check for that. But I still don't get the kernel boot-up messages on the other port, nor do I get any prompt on the brutus LCD. When I run boot-brutus the second time, and listen to the same port at the same time, angelboot gives errors, but at least I can see that data is transmitted and something is happening. And yes, data is transmitted every time I run boot-brutus. I guess it resets the port or something. Looking at the angelboot source, I think it checks if it gets a reply, but does not check what the reply is, or if it is valid. Also, I could not find the tip program for linux, so I'm just using 'cat < /dev/ttyS0', 'cat < /dev/ttyS1' and 'cat > /dev/ttyS0', or at least trying to. I can get the Angel debug message with 'cat < /dev/ttyS0'. Maybe I should try some program like minicom ? Does anyone know how to configure minicom for this sort of thing ? Thanks, Zsolt -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Wallach To: zskiraly@stanford.edu Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:43 PM Subject: Re: ARMLinux on Brutus problems and angelboot (long) Then I reset the board, but now nothing comes through on ttyS0. When I switch ttyS1 to serial3 on the brutus, and reset again, I get the Angel debug message. I switch ttyS0 back, and reset, I get nothing. I run boot-brutus again on ttyS0, and it again acts as if it works. So it seems that when angelboot exits, it leaves the port it used in an unusable state, but when I run it again, it resets the port, and it works again. I don't understand this part of the message. You're saying that you're switching cables between resets and that you never see the angel boot message through ttyS0 only through ttyS1? Have you ever seen it through S0 (ie do you know for sure that that serial port works)? Have you tried explicitly setting the parameters for ttyS0 when you connect to counteract whatever angelboot does (it probably sets it to raw, etc)? I don't think it makes any effort to reset the line when it's done... Could it be that angelboot never actually downloaded the images, it just acts as everything is fine, but then everything is really not fine ? I believe that angelboot won't proceed if it's getting no response back, but I forget. You could check the source. I don't think it checks whether or not the response back is the right response. -Debby PS Make sure the lines are set at the right speed (I think the debug messages on serial port 1 come out at 9600 baud but the login prompt should come at 38400). unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 15 22:09:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19971 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:09:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29175 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:10:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49269 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19958-15808>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:10:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971223-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:50:52 -0400 Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU ([171.64.14.35]:65038 "EHLO mailhub.Stanford.EDU" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971270-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:50:28 -0400 Received: from zskiraly (pax-ca35-43.ix.netcom.com [207.92.151.235]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with SMTP id OAA00305 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002c01bdb034$1f952d20$0301a8c0@zskiraly> Reply-To: "Zsolt Kiraly" From: "Zsolt Kiraly" To: Subject: Re: ARMLinux on Brutus problems and angelboot (long) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:04:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO It's entire possible that everything works fine, and I am just not using the proper program to communicate throught the serial port. Debby suggested the tip program, but so far I could not find it. Does someone know how to configure minicom to do this ? Thanks, Zsolt -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Wallach To: zskiraly@stanford.edu Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:43 PM Subject: Re: ARMLinux on Brutus problems and angelboot (long) Then I reset the board, but now nothing comes through on ttyS0. When I switch ttyS1 to serial3 on the brutus, and reset again, I get the Angel debug message. I switch ttyS0 back, and reset, I get nothing. I run boot-brutus again on ttyS0, and it again acts as if it works. So it seems that when angelboot exits, it leaves the port it used in an unusable state, but when I run it again, it resets the port, and it works again. I don't understand this part of the message. You're saying that you're switching cables between resets and that you never see the angel boot message through ttyS0 only through ttyS1? Have you ever seen it through S0 (ie do you know for sure that that serial port works)? Have you tried explicitly setting the parameters for ttyS0 when you connect to counteract whatever angelboot does (it probably sets it to raw, etc)? I don't think it makes any effort to reset the line when it's done... Could it be that angelboot never actually downloaded the images, it just acts as everything is fine, but then everything is really not fine ? I believe that angelboot won't proceed if it's getting no response back, but I forget. You could check the source. I don't think it checks whether or not the response back is the right response. -Debby PS Make sure the lines are set at the right speed (I think the debug messages on serial port 1 come out at 9600 baud but the login prompt should come at 38400). unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 15 22:40:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20090 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:40:55 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29184 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:41:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:69 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19647-14900>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:41:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971436-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:22:37 -0400 Received: from bionotes1.licor.com ([204.77.141.7]:2929 "HELO anoka.licor.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971326-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:11:27 -0400 Received: by anoka.licor.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Release 1.0) id 86256642.0075BBFF ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:25:58 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LI-COR From: "Chris Lesiak" To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-ID: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-ID: <86256642:0072DC7F.00@anoka.licor.com> ^-illegal end of message identification Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:19:14 -0500 Subject: Re: ARMLinux on Brutus problems and angelboot (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980715202522Z971436-12933+690@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO I also just got a Brutus and spent a little time trying to get linux running without success. I didn't spend much time on it since the kit was damaged in shipping so I don't know if there are problems with it. The results I did get were similar to yours. (Although I was encouraged by being able to recompile the kernel with gcc2.8.1+arm-diff-980606 and binutils-2.9.1.0.7.) A few notes: The shift values are out of radix because someone tried to beautify the source by adding zeros for alignment. 8 was changed to 08, which the compiler tries to interpret as octal. It also appears that the two flash parts in the flash bank need to be pulled and replaced with some larger surface mount parts. The 256kBytes that came on my board is hardly large enough to hold the 1.2GB of the disk image. What parts are people using? On a related note, it appears as if angel (my board uses version 1.02) is using Atmel flash programming algorithms from the uHAL library (although I don't have all of the source to be sure.) If anyone has a modified angel for their larger flash parts, I would appreciate a copy. Even though I wasn't able to successfully load the disk image, I was concerned that I didn't at least get some console messages indicating boot. If I had the ARM SDT it would be easier to check out the board with the demos, but I don't want to spent the money on it. Was I foolish to believe I wouldn't need it? I'll wait until I get a replacement board before I spend any more time on the project, but I would like to hear about other experiences with the brutus. Chris Lesiak clesiak@env.licor.com unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 15 22:42:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20098 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:42:39 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29188 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:43:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60748 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19487-14900>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:42:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971308-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:22:55 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1126 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971347-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:13:26 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA21782; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:28:38 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07021; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:05:46 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00680; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:06:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199807152106.WAA00680@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Support for > 2 Gb hard drives To: linux_mail@regretta.demon.co.uk (Andrew Miles) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:06:48 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Miles" at Jul 15, 98 06:48:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Andrew Miles writes: > Good News: The new kernel mounts my filecore partition perfectly. Excellent. Good. > Bad News: I still have problems with fdisk generating the error 'Unable to read > partition table'. I've downloaded the new root and supplemental disks. Working on it. The latest 2.0.34 release was intended to check that the problem really was fixed (along with some others). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 15 22:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20111 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:46:28 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29192 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:1881 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19776-15808>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:46:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971342-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:23:06 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1130 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971352-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:13:48 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA21779; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:28:29 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07039; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:10:18 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00706; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:11:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199807152111.WAA00706@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ether3 not found To: roland@hik.fzk.de Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:11:19 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <"hikmail2.f.034:12.07.98.19.54.06"@hikmail2.fzk.de> from "Roland Fritz" at Jul 12, 98 09:53:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Roland Fritz writes: > When installing the ether3 can't be found. System is RPC 600 with 32 MB, > 2 IDE HD and a borrowed ether3. My etherM is AFAIK not supported. Could you try the latest kernel and root-rpc disks please, and let me know the results, including any kernel messages (Hit Alt-F4 for kernel messages, Alt-F1 for Installer). Hmm, I'm going to modify my signature to include a mini-FAQ soon. ;) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 16 06:08:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA20463 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:08:47 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29272 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:09:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47194 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10414-15808>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:09:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971476-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:53:01 -0400 Received: from [210.154.37.2] ([210.154.37.2]:28799 "EHLO ns.funai-tky.co.jp" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971463-12933>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:52:42 -0400 Received: from hiropu ([192.168.1.19]) by ns.funai-tky.co.jp (8.9.0/3.4W4-FUNAI-TKY-970730) with SMTP id OAA02594 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:05:35 +0900 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:09:05 +0900 From: Hiroshi Ishii To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARMLinux on Brutus problems and angelboot (long) In-Reply-To: <19980715202522Z971436-12933+690@vger.rutgers.edu> References: <19980715202522Z971436-12933+690@vger.rutgers.edu> Message-Id: <35AD8AF12EF.EFA1HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24.13 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, > On a related note, it appears as if angel (my board uses version 1.02) is > using Atmel flash Brutus linux can' t work on 1.02's angel, I think.......... May be only 1.00's angel. -------------------------------------- Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD -Hiroshi Ishii unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 16 06:56:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA20485 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:56:26 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29279 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:57:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14111 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19955-14900>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:56:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971522-12933>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:40:28 -0400 Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU ([171.64.14.35]:47593 "EHLO mailhub.Stanford.EDU" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971510-12933>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:40:07 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (pax-ca35-06.ix.netcom.com [207.92.151.198]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id WAA06394; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35AD9586.19FDBF8D@stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:54:14 +0000 From: Zsolt Kiraly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiroshi Ishii CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARMLinux on Brutus problems and angelboot (long) References: <35AD8AF12EF.EFA1HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> <35AD8FC2.4646E79C@stanford.edu> <35AD9301329.EFA2HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------97BAFE1B211CE7D1D92C32E6" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO --------------97BAFE1B211CE7D1D92C32E6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hiroshi, Well, that cerainly explains it. Could you tell me how you installed the 1.00 angel ? Or did you install the angel that Debby Wallach included in the Brutus Linux distribution (probably sure to work)? Did you use the ARM developement kit to do this ? Thanks, Zsolt Hiroshi Ishii wrote: > Hi, > > > So you tried it with the 1.02, and when it did not work you tried it with the > > 1.00, and it worked ? > > Yes. It's mysterious that Brutus Linux don't work on 1.02's > angel. > > -------------------------------------- > Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD > -Hiroshi Ishii -- Zsolt Kiraly zskiraly@stanford.edu Department of Aeronautics & Astronautics Stanford University --------------97BAFE1B211CE7D1D92C32E6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hiroshi,

Well, that cerainly explains it.

Could you tell me how you installed the 1.00 angel ? Or did you install the angel that Debby Wallach included in the Brutus Linux distribution (probably sure to work)? Did you use the ARM developement kit to do this ?

Thanks,

Zsolt
 
 
 

Hiroshi Ishii wrote:

Hi,

> So you tried it with the 1.02, and when it did not work you tried it with the
> 1.00, and it worked ?

Yes.  It's mysterious that Brutus Linux don't work on 1.02's
angel.

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Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD
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Zsolt Kiraly       zskiraly@stanford.edu
Department of Aeronautics & Astronautics
Stanford University
  --------------97BAFE1B211CE7D1D92C32E6-- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 16 23:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22165 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:16:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29452 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:17:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:52806 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20012-9853>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:16:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971810-29931>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:16:22 -0400 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:2069 "HELO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972186-29931>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:28:12 -0400 Received: from cowslip.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.3.212] (rjb45) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0ywtxC-0006XY-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:44:34 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: ARM Linux cc: roland@hik.fzk.de, dean@ant.co.uk Subject: Re: ether3 not found In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:11:19 BST." <199807152111.WAA00706@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:44:27 +0100 From: Richard Bradbury Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:11:19, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > Could you try the latest kernel and root-rpc disks please, and let me know > the results, including any kernel messages (Hit Alt-F4 for kernel messages, > Alt-F1 for Installer). I tried this with my RiscPC 600 / ARM610 / ANT EtherB and got the following: ether3: Couldn't read a valid MAC address from card. loading device 'eth0'... ether3_probe: write8 [01:00], read8 [00:FF] ether3_probe: write16 [0101], read16 [0100] eth0: unable to identify podule bus width -- R. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 17 11:01:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA22670 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:01:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29560 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:02:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5902 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20203-15808>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:59:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971318-21206>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 04:12:45 -0400 Received: from hikmail2.fzk.de ([141.52.2.5]:52437 "HELO hikmail2.fzk.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971894-21206>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:28:05 -0400 Received: from lan008070 (actually lan008070.fzk.de) by hikmail2 with Local-SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:45:08 +0200 From: Roland Fritz Organization: Rudolph&Rohnacher To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:44:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: ether3 not found Reply-to: roland@hik.fzk.de CC: dean@ant.co.uk, Richard.Bradbury@cl.cam.ac.uk References: Your message of "Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:11:19 BST." <199807152111.WAA00706@raistlin.armlinux.org> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Message-ID: <"hikmail2.f.768:17.07.98.08.45.19"@hikmail2.fzk.de> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi Richard! > I tried this with my RiscPC 600 / ARM610 / ANT EtherB and got the following: > > ether3: Couldn't read a valid MAC address from card. > loading device 'eth0'... > ether3_probe: write8 [01:00], read8 [00:FF] > ether3_probe: write16 [0101], read16 [0100] > eth0: unable to identify podule bus width My acorn ether3 worked correctly apart from rpm installation errors ... Is the ANT etherB really ether3 compatible? Roland. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 17 12:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22801 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:15:58 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29565 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:16:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7544 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19918-14900>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:16:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971108-21206>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 05:55:38 -0400 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:2295 "HELO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971446-21206>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 05:54:01 -0400 Received: from cowslip.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.3.212] (rjb45) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yx8RE-0001Xh-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:12:32 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: ARM Linux cc: roland@hik.fzk.de, dean@ant.co.uk Subject: Re: ether3 not found In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:44:29 +0200." <"hikmail2.f.768:17.07.98.08.45.19"@hikmail2.fzk.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:12:30 +0100 From: Richard Bradbury Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:44:29, Roland Fritz wrote: > > Is the ANT etherB really ether3 compatible? Experience tends to indicate that it isn't with my setup! Is anybody successfully using an ANT EtherB card with ARM Linux? Specifically, are my problems related to my revision 1 RiscPC motherboard or its ARM 610? -- R. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 17 23:56:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24712 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:56:50 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29685 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:57:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:13408 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10318-3796>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:57:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971032-21206>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:27 -0400 Received: from POP3.tu-dresden.de ([141.30.2.83]:46590 "HELO POP3.tu-dresden.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971320-21206>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:36:52 -0400 Received: from rmail.urz.tu-dresden.de by rks3 with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:52:27 +0200 Received: from rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de (actually Rcs1.urz.tu-dresden.de) by rmail with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:55:14 +0200 Received: from Sirius ([141.30.230.105]) by rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA87738 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:55:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:55:20 +0100 From: Peter Teichmann To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Where is /usr/include/linux ? Message-ID: Organization: My home is my castle! X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi there, today I tried to compile some software, but found that the complete directory /usr/include/linux is missing. (For instance, /usr/include/errno.h wants to include ) I looked at our university login server running under RedHat linux, there are a lot of files in /usr/include/linux. So did I forget to install something? How to fix this? Peter Teichmann ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: teich-p@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de WWW: rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~teich-p unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 10:37:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25046 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:37:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29734 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:38:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:42764 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20381-3796>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:38:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970840-21206>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:18:14 -0400 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]:65030 "HELO golden.argonet.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970791-21206>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:18:07 -0400 Received: from (argbr88) [193.130.246.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxTQl-0004W3-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:37:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dana K Scully To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:36:28 +0100 Message-ID: <486783d728dkscully@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Where is /usr/include/linux ? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 17 Jul, Peter Teichmann wrote: > Hi there, > today I tried to compile some software, but found that the complete > directory /usr/include/linux is missing. (For instance, > /usr/include/errno.h wants to include ) > I looked at our university login server running under RedHat linux, > there are a lot of files in /usr/include/linux. So did I forget to > install something? How to fix this? > Peter Teichmann You need to symlink it. Try searching the archive at http://www.findmail.com/list/linux-arm/ This should probably be in the FAQ, most ppl seem to ask it at some point. L * Never replace a successful experiment. -- | |\/| / BSc (Hons) Chemistry (So'ton), ZFC A (Sc) |__esley | |itchell / dkscully@toth.org.uk A woman of many talents. :) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 10:51:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25067 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:51:11 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29738 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:52:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:42774 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11178-14900>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:51:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970870-21206>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:31:48 -0400 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]:65123 "HELO golden.argonet.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970843-21206>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:30:04 -0400 Received: from (argbr88) [193.130.246.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxTcL-0004gC-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:49:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dana K Scully To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:49:03 +0100 Message-ID: <486784fdf6dkscully@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Where is /usr/include/linux ? In-Reply-To: <486783d728dkscully@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 18 Jul, Dana K Scully wrote: > On 17 Jul, Peter Teichmann wrote: > > Hi there, > > today I tried to compile some software, but found that the complete > > directory /usr/include/linux is missing. (For instance, > > /usr/include/errno.h wants to include ) > > I looked at our university login server running under RedHat linux, > > there are a lot of files in /usr/include/linux. So did I forget to > > install something? How to fix this? > > Peter Teichmann I'm sorry I'll try replying again, since I missed out half the information I wanted to give. You need to install the linux source code for your kernel (from http://www.kernel.org/) and patch it with the latest ARM patch (for the kernel version, from http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/). Then you can symlink /usr/include/linux to this. Someone explained this in more detail previously. So do try searching the mailing list archive at http://www.findmail.com/list/linux-arm/. L * Proposals, as understood by the proposer, will be judged otherwise by others. -- | |\/| / BSc (Hons) Chemistry (So'ton), ZFC A (Sc) |__esley | |itchell / dkscully@toth.org.uk A woman of many talents. :) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 11:15:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25142 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:15:26 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29743 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:16:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32556 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10889-9853>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:15:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970857-21206>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:55:51 -0400 Received: from www-dc-09.digiserve.com ([151.196.69.100]:52596 "EHLO www-dc-09.digiserve.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970791-21206>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:54:20 -0400 Received: from pingu.itl.net (ap197-15.itl.net [194.145.15.197]) by www-dc-09.digiserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA16541 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980718100830.0066ceec@digiserve.com> X-Sender: garan@digiserve.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:08:30 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Garan Jenkin Subject: Re: Where is /usr/include/linux ? X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO At 10:36 18/07/98 +0100, you wrote: >On 17 Jul, Peter Teichmann wrote: >> Hi there, > >> today I tried to compile some software, but found that the complete >> directory /usr/include/linux is missing. (For instance, >> /usr/include/errno.h wants to include ) >> I looked at our university login server running under RedHat linux, >> there are a lot of files in /usr/include/linux. So did I forget to >> install something? How to fix this? > > >> Peter Teichmann > >You need to symlink it. Try searching the archive at >http://www.findmail.com/list/linux-arm/ > Well, it is in the linux/README or some such file which comes with all the source code archives I've ever had. And the HOWTO on compiling kernels (probably a good read if you're going to compile a kernel) says read it If it wasn't called README, people *might* read it! ;) Garan unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 19:00:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26271 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:00:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29778 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:01:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:42253 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10804-9853>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:00:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970870-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:40:27 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1180 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970880-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:40:12 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yxb5e-0002cU-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:48:10 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu cc: neil@causality.com Subject: soft float Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:48:09 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I've put together a trial version of a soft-float library for Linux/ARM. I'm making it available at http://www.tazenda.demon.co.uk/phil/armlinux/libfloat-980718.tar.gz for anybody who wants to try. It's based on John R. Hauser's `SoftFloat' library, and most of the credit for it should go to him and to Mark and Neil of Causality who did the original ARM port for NetBSD. The way 64-bit values are handled is not at all pretty, but it seems to work though I haven't done any serious testing yet. To use it, you need to compile the library (edit Makefile-linux to select the appropriate options, then just type `make -f Makefile-linux'), then build your programs with -msoft-float and arrange for libfloat.a to be included in the final link. If you want to use floating point facilities in the C library (eg printf or the math routines) then you must recompile libc itself with -msoft-float. If you use glibc, you should configure with the --without-fp flag to inhibit the code that directly manipulates FP registers. Any other libraries (eg X) may also need to be recompiled. On ELF systems you should be able to make libfloat a shared object which will ease the pain of having to link it with every binary. It should then be realistically possible to build a system without using the ARM floating point emulator, which is good if you want to use 2.1 kernels or don't like to use proprietary code. In theory the softfloat library should be a performance win over the emulator as well though I haven't even tried to measure this. I'd be interested in the results if anybody tests this out. Neil: most of the substantive changes I made are in fplib_glue.S. I tried to avoid breaking NetBSD compatibility but I haven't checked that it still works. It would be nice to be able to use the same code on both NetBSD and Linux and it shouldn't be too hard to arrange, since the floating-point code is pretty much OS independent. You might like to take a look at that file and my arm-gcc.h. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 19:38:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26342 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:38:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29784 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:39:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28228 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10619-15808>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:39:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970880-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:18:51 -0400 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net ([158.43.128.69]:45320 "HELO monsoon.dial.pipex.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970870-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:18:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 21206 invoked from network); 18 Jul 1998 18:38:36 -0000 Received: from aa142.du.pipex.com (HELO pentium) (193.130.240.142) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 1998 18:38:36 -0000 From: "Hugh Nimmo-Smith" To: Subject: RE: Where is /usr/include/linux ? Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:37:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bdb27b$3052dba0$8ef082c1@pentium> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu > [mailto:owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu]On Behalf Of Peter Teichmann > Sent: 17 July 1998 20:55 > To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu > Subject: Where is /usr/include/linux ? > > > Hi there, > > today I tried to compile some software, but found that the complete > directory /usr/include/linux is missing. (For instance, > /usr/include/errno.h wants to include ) > I looked at our university login server running under RedHat linux, > there are a lot of files in /usr/include/linux. So did I forget to > install something? How to fix this? > Possibly due tot he kernel source not being included in the distribution? There's a link from the website to get the kernel source and relevant patches, I believe. But really I have no idea and am just guessing ;-)) BFN, Hugh -- Hugh Nimmo-Smith hughns@dial.pipex.com unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 20:21:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA26426 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:21:30 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29794 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:22:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49946 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1306-14900>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:22:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970885-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:56:34 -0400 Received: from rainer.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de ([129.69.183.1]:18670 "EHLO rainer.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971052-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:53:04 -0400 Received: by rainer.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de id m0yxcPa-000HVqC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:12:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: From: rainer@rainer.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Rainer Dorsch) Subject: Linux on an ARM based SoC To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:12:50 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: rainer.dorsch@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Some weeks ago, a friend, who is with a big computer/semiconductor company, told me, that they developed an ASIC with an ARM processor core. Since they are not very happy with their operating system, they even thought of using Linux. They do not use linux so far, because they are not experienced enough with linux. Does anybody know of a similar project, where ARM cores and other IP blocks where used on an ASIC (i.e. system on chip) and linux is running as OS on the chip? Thanks in advance. -- Rainer Dorsch Abt. Rechnerarchitektur e-mail:rainer.dorsch@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Uni Stuttgart Tel.: 0711-7816-215 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 21:06:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26462 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:06:55 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29803 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:08:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22852 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1487-14900>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:08:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970890-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:47:39 -0400 Received: from post.interalpha.co.uk ([195.26.224.14]:18002 "EHLO post.interalpha.net" ident: "0") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970807-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:47:21 -0400 Received: from pvigay.interalpha.co.uk (pompey-mod126.interalpha.net [195.26.225.154]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA08460 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:11:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:06:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4867bd8d04pvigay@interalpha.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: New Linux modules In-Reply-To: <000001bdb27b$3052dba0$8ef082c1@pentium> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Having read the FAQ to find out why my installation of Linux won't work, I found out it's because I have more than 24Mbytes of RAM and it says I need an updated module or something. Does anyone know where I can download this from? cheers -- Paul Vigay Acorn Programming, __\\|//__ Internet Consultancy http://www.vigay.mcmail.com (` o-o ') & Web Design -----------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------------- The horror, the horror! unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 21:33:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26497 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:33:18 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29807 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:34:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31852 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1591-3796>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:33:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970948-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:13:16 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1429 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970909-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:10:42 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA00779; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:30:26 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12480; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:29:37 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA05381; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:30:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199807182030.VAA05381@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: New Linux modules To: pvigay@interalpha.co.uk (Paul Vigay) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:30:40 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <4867bd8d04pvigay@interalpha.co.uk> from "Paul Vigay" at Jul 18, 98 09:06:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Paul Vigay writes: > Having read the FAQ to find out why my installation of Linux won't work, I > found out it's because I have more than 24Mbytes of RAM and it says I need > an updated module or something. > > Does anyone know where I can download this from? The FTP site. ftp://ftp.arm.uk.linux.org/pub/armlinux/distrib/RedHat/RPMS/modules-2.0.0-*.arm.rpm, where '*' is the largest numbered one there. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 23:08:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26764 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:08:23 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29828 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:09:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49698 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1044-9853>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:09:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970890-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:49:03 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48]:6477 "EHLO irwell.zetnet.co.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970893-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:48:49 -0400 Received: from [194.247.41.49] (man-040.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.49]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA21850 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:08:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Molton To: ARMlinux mailing list Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:59:17 +0100 Message-ID: <4867bcdc38mh120608@staffs.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Where is /usr/include/linux ? In-Reply-To: <000001bdb27b$3052dba0$8ef082c1@pentium> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 18 Jul, Hugh Nimmo-Smith wrote: > Possibly due tot he kernel source not being included in the distribution? > There's a link from the website to get the kernel source and relevant > patches, I believe. Isnt it time they were in the distrib ? -- -Ian aka Lennier Acorn Computers, the best in the world http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ BaBe - Womens human rights organisation in Croatia http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/babe/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 23:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26812 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:23:57 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29832 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:25:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:53796 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1985-3796>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:24:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970893-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:03:50 -0400 Received: from [207.67.245.34] ([207.67.245.34]:20605 "EHLO ns1.netopolis.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970909-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:03:30 -0400 Received: from netopolis.net (dt0b0nfb.san.rr.com [204.210.50.251]) by ns1.netopolis.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05256 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:19:50 -0700 Message-ID: <35B12028.97F76D7E@netopolis.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:22:32 -0700 From: Blake Binkley Organization: Netopolis, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ARM Linux Subject: SA110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO where exactly do I find the SA110 binaries and instructions on getting it running? Blake Binkley unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 18 23:28:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26833 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:28:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29836 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:29:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30255 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1437-3796>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:29:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970893-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:08:43 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:59971 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970947-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:07:48 -0400 Received: from (tardis.home.dave) [194.222.210.232] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxfSJ-0006xK-00; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:27:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:22:19 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Gilbert X-Sender: gilbertd@tardis.home.dave To: Blake Binkley cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: SA110 In-Reply-To: <35B12028.97F76D7E@netopolis.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Blake Binkley wrote: > where exactly do I find the SA110 binaries and instructions on getting > it running? > > Blake Binkley What system are you running your ARM in ? Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert | Running Linux on Alpha & ARM \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | ------- Happy in hex ------- / \____________________________|___ http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk __/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 01:10:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA27406 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:10:34 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29879 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:11:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26688 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1508-14900>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:11:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970893-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:50:46 -0400 Received: from [207.67.245.34] ([207.67.245.34]:20782 "EHLO ns1.netopolis.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970890-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:50:31 -0400 Received: from netopolis.net (dt0b0nfb.san.rr.com [204.210.50.251]) by ns1.netopolis.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05427 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <35B1393F.F9B5770F@netopolis.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:09:35 -0700 From: Blake Binkley Organization: Netopolis, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ARM Linux Subject: Correction EBSA110 instructions/binaries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Want to try to get it working on the brutus board Blake Binkley unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 03:41:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27482 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:41:20 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA29885 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:42:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:62762 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1310-3796>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 05:41:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970893-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:21:08 -0400 Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU ([171.64.14.35]:35595 "EHLO mailhub.Stanford.EDU" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970890-15443>; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:20:51 -0400 Received: from zskiraly (pax-ca35-04.ix.netcom.com [207.92.151.196]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with SMTP id TAA24878; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01bdb2be$6e63b340$0301a8c0@zskiraly> Reply-To: "Zsolt Kiraly" From: "Zsolt Kiraly" To: "Blake Binkley" Cc: Subject: Brutus Linux Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:39:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi Blake, The distribution is at the following URL: http://www.research.digital.com/wrl/people/kerr/linux-brutus.html Make sure your board is running with the Angel 1.00, ie. the version of the Angel Debug Monitor that comes with the distribution. Linux will not work with Angel 1.02. If your board has the 1.02 version, you must reprogram the flash with the older version. You must also compile the angelboot program for your host machine. This program has a bug which you must correct before compiling, so you don't get 'out of radix' error. This bug is somewhere around line 255 (forgot where exactly) Where you see '>> 08', you must change that to '>> 8'. Other than that, just follow the instructions on the above web-page. Good luck, Zsolt -----Original Message----- From: Blake Binkley To: ARM Linux Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 5:11 PM Subject: Correction EBSA110 instructions/binaries Want to try to get it working on the brutus board Blake Binkley unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 13:22:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27929 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:22:09 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29925 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:23:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7000 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19470-3796>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:23:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971119-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:01:56 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:50736 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970893-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:01:51 -0400 Received: from (nedman) [158.152.8.32] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxsTy-0000fv-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:22:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Gransden To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:20:38 +0100 Message-ID: <486816b4b4chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Booting kernel V2.1.108 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO When I boot everything seems to go successfully until, Partition Check: VFS: Cannot open root device 00:03 Kernel panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:03 The linux partition is on the built in ide interface ( RiscPC SA ). Anyone know what could be wrong. Thanks, Chris -- Email: chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 14:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27970 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:04:37 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29937 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:05:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31868 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10471-3796>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:04:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971142-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:43:42 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1179 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970893-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:43:18 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA15419; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:04:01 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14285; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:03:16 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id OAA04884; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:04:16 +0100 Message-Id: <199807191304.OAA04884@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 To: chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk (Chris Gransden) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:04:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <486816b4b4chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> from "Chris Gransden" at Jul 19, 98 01:20:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Chris Gransden writes: > Partition Check: > VFS: Cannot open root device 00:03 > Kernel panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:03 > > The linux partition is on the built in ide interface ( RiscPC SA ). Anyone > know what could be wrong. Hmm, maybe it doesn't work? Give some more information, eg, what you're giving the loader, what you used to compile this kernel up, what patches and from where, what options you configured for the kernel when you built it. Like any problem, too much information is better than too little. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 15:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA28107 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:20:17 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29946 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:21:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18768 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1062-3796>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:21:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971191-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:57:44 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1468 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971273-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:48:50 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA16423 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:09:27 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14556 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:06:55 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA07357 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:08:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199807191408.PAA07357@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Solution request form To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:08:09 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi All, Could people try out the problem report form - it should send mail to the mailing list. Once this form is up and running, I shall advise people to use the web PRF instead of mailing direct to the mailing list. Using the form should result in better information to track down bugs. If you have any suggestions about this system, please mail me! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 15:26:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA28125 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:26:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29950 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:28:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:51556 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1902-15808>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:27:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971165-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:03:07 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1787 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971347-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:02:01 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA16682 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:22:51 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14677 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:21:53 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA08231 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:23:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199807191423.PAA08231@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Problem report form & web pages. To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:23:06 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Ok, snowcrash.cymru.net's not lettimg me in at the moment, hence no web updates can be performed. Please wait until the form is updated (Last update 19th July) before trying it out. Thanks. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 19:58:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA28556 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:58:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29970 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:00:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:37728 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19571-3796>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:59:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971392-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:38:10 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:49491 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971391-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:37:48 -0400 Received: from (nedman) [158.152.8.32] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxyfq-0003Vc-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:59:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Gransden To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:48:59 +0100 Message-ID: <48683a42dechrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 In-Reply-To: <199807191304.OAA04884@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 19 Jul, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Hmm, maybe it doesn't work? > Give some more information, eg, what you're giving the loader, what you > used to compile this kernel up, what patches and from where, what > options you configured for the kernel when you built it. Sorry about that. I had hoped it would be something simple. I used gcc 2.8.1 & binutils 2.1.9.0.6 to compile the kernel with pre-patch-2.1.108-19980712-1.gz from the ARM Linux ftp site. The loader points to *ADFS::4.3. (/dev/hda3). RiscPC has 24MB ram & 2MB vram. The linux partition is on a 2.1GB drive partitioned as 1 0 2015999 984 MB Filecore 2 2016000 2016001 1 KB Linux Table 3 2016002 4029454 983 MB Linux Native 4 4029455 4127759 48 MB Linux Swap Here's the output from 'make config', rm -f include/asm-arm/arch include/asm-arm/proc (cd include/asm-arm; ln -sf arch- arch; ln -sf proc- proc) rm -f include/asm ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-arm asm) /bin/sh scripts/Configure arch/arm/config.in # # Using defaults found in arch/arm/defconfig # * * System and processor type * ARM system type (Archimedes, A5000, RiscPC, EBSA-110, EBSA-285, NexusPCI, Corel-VNC, Tbox) [RiscPC] defined CONFIG_ARCH_RPC Optimise for CPU (ARM2, ARM3, ARM6, ARM7, SA110) [SA110] defined CONFIG_CPU_SA110 * * Code maturity level options * Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers (CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL) [Y/n/?] y Use new compilation options (for GCC 2.8) (CONFIG_BINUTILS_NEW) [N/y/?] y Compile kernel with frame pointer (for useful debugging) (CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER) [Y/n/?] y * * Loadable module support * Enable loadable module support (CONFIG_MODULES) [Y/n/?] y Set version information on all symbols for modules (CONFIG_MODVERSIONS) [Y/n/?] y Kernel module loader (CONFIG_KMOD) [Y/n/?] y * * General setup * Networking support (CONFIG_NET) [Y/n/?] y System V IPC (CONFIG_SYSVIPC) [Y/n/?] y BSD Process Accounting (CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT) [N/y/?] (NEW) n Sysctl support (CONFIG_SYSCTL) [Y/n/?] y Kernel support for a.out binaries (CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT) [Y/m/n/?] y Kernel support for ELF binaries (CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF) [M/n/y/?] y Kernel support for MISC binaries (CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n Parallel port support (CONFIG_PARPORT) [Y/m/n/?] y PC-style hardware (CONFIG_PARPORT_PC) [Y/m/n/?] y Archimedes hardware (CONFIG_PARPORT_ARC) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n Support foreign hardware (CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER) [N/y/?] (NEW) n * * Floppy, IDE, and other block devices * Normal floppy disk support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD) [Y/m/n/?] y Enhanced IDE disk/cdrom/tape support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE) [Y/m/n/?] y * * Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives * Use old disk-only driver on primary interface (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE) [N/y/?] n Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK) [Y/m/n/?] n Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD) [Y/m/n/?] n Include IDE/ATAPI TAPE support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE) [N/y/m/?] n Include IDE/ATAPI FLOPPY support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY) [N/y/m/?] n SCSI emulation support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI) [N/y/m/?] n * * Additional Block Devices * Loopback device support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP) [M/n/y/?] y Multiple devices driver support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD) [N/y/?] n RAM disk support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM) [Y/m/n/?] y Initial RAM disk (initrd) support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD) [Y/n/?] y Parallel port IDE device support (CONFIG_PARIDE) [N/y/m/?] n * * Acorn-specific block devices * Support expansion card IDE interfaces (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_CARDS) [Y/n/?] n MFM harddisk support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MFM) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n * * Character devices * Virtual terminal (CONFIG_VT) [Y/n/?] y Support for console on virtual terminal (CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE) [Y/n/?] y Standard/generic (dumb) serial support (CONFIG_SERIAL) [Y/m/n/?] y Support for console on serial port (CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE) [N/y/?] n Extended dumb serial driver options (CONFIG_SERIAL_EXTENDED) [N/y/?] n Atomwide serial port support (CONFIG_ATOMWIDE_SERIAL) [Y/m/n/?] n Dual serial port support (CONFIG_DUALSP_SERIAL) [Y/m/n/?] n Parallel printer support (CONFIG_PRINTER) [M/n/y/?] y Support IEEE1284 status readback (CONFIG_PRINTER_READBACK) [Y/n/?] n Support for user misc device modules (CONFIG_UMISC) [N/y/?] n Watchdog Timer Support (CONFIG_WATCHDOG) [N/y/?] n Mouse support (CONFIG_MOUSE) [Y/n/?] y Support Frame buffer devices (CONFIG_FB) [N/y/?] (NEW) n * * Networking options * Packet socket (CONFIG_PACKET) [N/y/m/?] n Kernel/User netlink socket (CONFIG_NETLINK) [N/y/?] n Network firewalls (CONFIG_FIREWALL) [N/y/?] n Network aliasing (CONFIG_NET_ALIAS) [N/y/?] n Socket Filtering (CONFIG_FILTER) [N/y/?] n Unix domain sockets (CONFIG_UNIX) [Y/m/n/?] y TCP/IP networking (CONFIG_INET) [Y/n/?] y IP: multicasting (CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST) [N/y/?] n IP: advanced router (CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER) [N/y/?] n IP: kernel level autoconfiguration (CONFIG_IP_PNP) [N/y/?] n IP: optimize as router not host (CONFIG_IP_ROUTER) [N/y/?] n IP: tunneling (CONFIG_NET_IPIP) [N/y/m/?] y IP: GRE tunnels over IP (CONFIG_NET_IPGRE) [N/y/m/?] n IP: aliasing support (CONFIG_IP_ALIAS) [N/y/?] n IP: TCP syncookie support (not enabled per default) (CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES) [N/y/?] n * * (it is safe to leave these untouched) * IP: Reverse ARP (CONFIG_INET_RARP) [N/y/m/?] n IP: Drop source routed frames (CONFIG_IP_NOSR) [Y/n/?] n IP: Allow large windows (not recommended if <16Mb of memory) (CONFIG_SKB_LARGE) [N/y/?] n The IPv6 protocol (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_IPV6) [N/y/m/?] n * * * The IPX protocol (CONFIG_IPX) [N/y/m/?] n Appletalk DDP (CONFIG_ATALK) [N/y/m/?] n CCITT X.25 Packet Layer (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_X25) [N/y/m/?] n LAPB Data Link Driver (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_LAPB) [N/y/m/?] n Bridging (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_BRIDGE) [N/y/?] n 802.2 LLC (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_LLC) [N/y/?] n Acorn Econet/AUN protocols (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_ECONET) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n WAN router (CONFIG_WAN_ROUTER) [N/y/m/?] n Fast switching (read help!) (CONFIG_NET_FASTROUTE) [N/y/?] n Forwarding between high speed interfaces (CONFIG_NET_HW_FLOWCONTROL) [N/y/?] n CPU is too slow to handle full bandwidth (CONFIG_CPU_IS_SLOW) [N/y/?] n QoS and/or fair queueing (CONFIG_NET_SCHED) [N/y/?] n * * Network device support * Network device support? (CONFIG_NETDEVICES) [Y/n/?] y ARCnet support (CONFIG_ARCNET) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n Dummy net driver support (CONFIG_DUMMY) [N/y/m/?] y EQL (serial line load balancing) support (CONFIG_EQUALIZER) [N/y/m/?] n Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) (CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET) [N/y/?] (NEW) n FDDI driver support (CONFIG_FDDI) [N/y/?] (NEW) n Frame relay DLCI support (CONFIG_DLCI) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n PLIP (parallel port) support (CONFIG_PLIP) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n PPP (point-to-point) support (CONFIG_PPP) [M/n/y/?] y * * CCP compressors for PPP are only built as modules. * SLIP (serial line) support (CONFIG_SLIP) [N/y/m/?] n Wireless LAN (non-hamradio) (CONFIG_NET_RADIO) [N/y/?] (NEW) n Token Ring driver support (CONFIG_TR) [N/y/?] (NEW) n Traffic Shaper (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_SHAPER) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n * * SCSI support * SCSI support? (CONFIG_SCSI) [Y/m/n/?] n * * Sound * Sound support (CONFIG_SOUND) [M/n/y/?] y OSS sound modules (CONFIG_SOUND_OSS) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n * * Filesystems * Quota support (CONFIG_QUOTA) [N/y/?] n Minix fs support (CONFIG_MINIX_FS) [N/y/m/?] n Second extended fs support (CONFIG_EXT2_FS) [Y/m/n/?] y ISO 9660 CDROM filesystem support (CONFIG_ISO9660_FS) [Y/m/n/?] n DOS FAT fs support (CONFIG_FAT_FS) [Y/m/n/?] y MSDOS fs support (CONFIG_MSDOS_FS) [Y/m/n/?] y UMSDOS: Unix-like filesystem on top of standard MSDOS filesystem (CONFIG_UMSDOS_FS) [N/y/m/?] n VFAT (Windows-95) fs support (CONFIG_VFAT_FS) [Y/m/n/?] n /proc filesystem support (CONFIG_PROC_FS) [Y/n/?] y NFS filesystem support (CONFIG_NFS_FS) [Y/m/n/?] y NFS server support (CONFIG_NFSD) [Y/m/n/?] y Coda filesystem support (advanced network fs) (CONFIG_CODA_FS) [N/y/m/?] n SMB filesystem support (to mount WfW shares etc.) (CONFIG_SMB_FS) [N/y/m/?] n OS/2 HPFS filesystem support (read only) (CONFIG_HPFS_FS) [N/y/m/?] n NTFS filesystem support (read only) (CONFIG_NTFS_FS) [N/y/m/?] n System V and Coherent filesystem support (CONFIG_SYSV_FS) [N/y/m/?] n Amiga FFS filesystem support (CONFIG_AFFS_FS) [N/y/m/?] n Apple Macintosh filesystem support (experimental) (CONFIG_HFS_FS) [N/y/m/?] n ROM filesystem support (CONFIG_ROMFS_FS) [N/y/m/?] n Kernel automounter support (CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS) [N/y/m/?] n UFS filesystem support (read only) (CONFIG_UFS_FS) [N/y/m/?] n ADFS filesystem support (read only) (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_ADFS_FS) [Y/m/n/?] y /dev/pts filesystem support (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS) [N/y/m/?] (NEW) n * * Partitions * Alpha OSF partition support (CONFIG_OSF_PARTITION) [N/y/?] (NEW) n Macintosh partition map support (CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION) [N/y/?] n PC BIOS (MSDOS partition tables) support (CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION) [N/y/?] (NEW) n SPARC partition support (CONFIG_SUN_PARTITION) [N/y/?] (NEW) n Amiga partition table support (CONFIG_AMIGA_PARTITION) [N/y/?] (NEW) n Acorn partition support (CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION) [N/y/?] (NEW) n * * Native Language Support * Codepage 437 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 737 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_737) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 775 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_775) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 850 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_850) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 852 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_852) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 855 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_855) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 857 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_857) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 860 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_860) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 861 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_861) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 862 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_862) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 863 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_863) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 864 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_864) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 865 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_865) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 866 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_866) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 869 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_869) [N/y/m/?] n Codepage 874 (CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_874) [N/y/m/?] n NLS ISO 8859-1 (CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_1) [N/y/m/?] n NLS ISO 8859-2 (CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_2) [N/y/m/?] n NLS ISO 8859-3 (CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_3) [N/y/m/?] n NLS ISO 8859-4 (CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_4) [N/y/m/?] n NLS ISO 8859-5 (CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_5) [N/y/m/?] n NLS ISO 8859-6 (CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_6) [N/y/m/?] n NLS ISO 8859-7 (CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_7) [N/y/m/?] n NLS ISO 8859-8 (CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_8) [N/y/m/?] n NLS ISO 8859-9 (CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_9) [N/y/m/?] n NLS KOI8-R (CONFIG_NLS_KOI8_R) [N/y/m/?] n * * Kernel hacking * Debug kernel errors (CONFIG_DEBUG_ERRORS) [Y/n/?] y Kernel profiling support (CONFIG_PROFILE) [N/y/?] n Magic SysRq key (CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ) [Y/n/?] y The Linux kernel should now be configured for your setup. Check the top-level Makefile for additional configuration, and do a 'make dep ; make clean' if you want to be sure all the files are correctly re-made if [ -r include/linux/autoconf.h ]; then \ scripts/split-include include/linux/autoconf.h include/config; \ fi -- Email: chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 20:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA28597 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:24:52 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29975 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:26:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:8452 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1484-9853>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:25:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971392-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:59:12 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:51363 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971423-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:56:55 -0400 Received: from (latrigg.demon.co.uk) [158.152.64.157] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxyyC-0004LW-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:18:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:18:54 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Pringle Subject: A5000 Installation Guide available + more To: Linux Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: At Home, 01285 713514 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO There is now an A5000 installation guide available. This has been tested only with 8MB machines. Please let me know if it works with any other types of machine or any A5000 with less than 8MB. People may also find this page useful for problems he/she may have. The page can be found at the web address at the bottom of this e-mail. Please let me know of any comments/suggestions/additions you may have. Hope this helps all those who are struggling. Regards, --- Chris Pringle 22, St. Mary's Drive, Fairford, Glos. GL7 4LQ P.S.Check out My web site at http://www.latrigg.demon.co.uk/Chris/index.html unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 20:58:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA28662 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:58:49 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29984 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:00:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:46410 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1542-9853>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:00:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971443-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:38:08 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:55983 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971445-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:37:55 -0400 Received: from (merton-house.demon.co.uk) [194.222.203.84] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxzc0-0007A9-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:59:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:59:28 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Nicholls Subject: StrongARM Revision K To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Matt Nicholls X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi there, Someone on IRC told me that there is a bug in K which can stop ARMLinux and RiscBSD providing safe virtual memory. I was just wondering if ARM Linux has a fix for this or not. Any ideas? -- __ __ _ _ _ _ | \/ |__ _| |_| |_ _ _| \| | dhcomet@altern.org | |\/| / _` | _| _| || | .` | http://www.altern.org/dhcomet/ |_| |_\__,_|\__|\__|\_, |_|\_| ICQ UIN : 15479212 |__/ We can try to understand the New York Times' effect on man unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 21:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28672 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:08:02 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29990 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:09:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:13132 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1788-14900>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:09:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971449-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:47:16 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:30059 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971443-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:47:06 -0400 Received: from splodge.oregan.net (splodge.oregan.net [195.173.86.42]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA06171 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:08:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:03:15 +0100 From: Dickon Hood To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM Revision K Message-ID: <5ff416848%dickon-ml@splurge.fluff.org> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Fluff Disorganisation X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-CC-Request: Please *don't* CC replies to me as well as the list. Thankyou. X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.21=DF?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO In message Matt Nicholls wrote: : Hi there, : Someone on IRC told me that there is a bug in K which can stop : ARMLinux and RiscBSD providing safe virtual memory. Yup. : I was just wondering if ARM Linux has a fix for this or not. : Any ideas? It's impossible to fix given that the processor trashes r14_abort at the critical point. Bad luck. Nice idea. Upgrade to a rev. S chip. Doesn't seem to affect Linux/arm too much or even NetBSD/arm32 with the UVM kernel, but I'd not be seen dead running either given the problems. -- Dickon Hood I've now managed to find my .signature file, normal service will be resumed when Connex South Central get their act together. We apologise for the inconvenience in the mean time. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 21:26:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28677 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:26:47 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29995 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:28:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40818 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1884-14900>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:26:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971467-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:59:55 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:36128 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971515-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:59:33 -0400 Received: from (tardis.home.dave) [194.222.210.232] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxzx9-0006cc-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:21:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:15:31 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Gilbert X-Sender: gilbertd@tardis.home.dave To: Dickon Hood cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM Revision K In-Reply-To: <5ff416848%dickon-ml@splurge.fluff.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Dickon Hood wrote: > : I was just wondering if ARM Linux has a fix for this or not. > : Any ideas? > > It's impossible to fix given that the processor trashes r14_abort at the > critical point. Bad luck. Nice idea. Upgrade to a rev. S chip. Can you give the list some more details of this 'feature' please. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert | Running Linux on Alpha & ARM \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | ------- Happy in hex ------- / \____________________________|___ http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk __/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 21:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28681 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:26:52 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29999 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:28:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40818 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19593-3796>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:28:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971475-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:05:31 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:30253 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971546-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:05:18 -0400 Received: from splodge.oregan.net (splodge.oregan.net [195.173.86.42]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA06685 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:26:49 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:23:05 +0100 From: Dickon Hood To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM Revision K Message-ID: <2ce0426848%dickon-ml@splurge.fluff.org> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Fluff Disorganisation X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-CC-Request: Please *don't* CC replies to me as well as the list. Thankyou. X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.21=DF?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO In message Dave Gilbert wrote: : On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Dickon Hood wrote: : > : I was just wondering if ARM Linux has a fix for this or not. : > : Any ideas? : > It's impossible to fix given that the processor trashes r14_abort at the : > critical point. Bad luck. Nice idea. Upgrade to a rev. S chip. : Can you give the list some more details of this 'feature' please. Nope, 'cos I can't remember them. Look back through the NetBSD/arm32 mailing list ('RiscBSD'); it was done to death there a while back. Something to do with PC being in a register pull list and on the last word of a page boundary with the next page unmapped... -- Dickon Hood I've now managed to find my .signature file, normal service will be resumed when Connex South Central get their act together. We apologise for the inconvenience in the mean time. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 22:36:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA28902 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:36:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00120 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:38:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20577 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1236-15808>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:38:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971508-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:15:25 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1725 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971555-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:14:59 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup4.cymru.net [163.164.160.68]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA23814; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:36:45 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15760; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:19:20 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00570; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:20:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199807192020.VAA00570@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 To: chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk (Chris Gransden), pb@nexus.co.uk Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:20:32 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <48683a42dechrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> from "Chris Gransden" at Jul 19, 98 07:48:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Chris Gransden writes: > > Give some more information, eg, what you're giving the loader, what you > > used to compile this kernel up, what patches and from where, what > > options you configured for the kernel when you built it. > > Sorry about that. I had hoped it would be something simple. > > I used gcc 2.8.1 & binutils 2.1.9.0.6 to compile the kernel with > pre-patch-2.1.108-19980712-1.gz from the ARM Linux ftp site. The loader > points to *ADFS::4.3. (/dev/hda3). RiscPC has 24MB ram & 2MB vram. Chris: was that original panic: can't mount root filesystem on device 03:03? Chris: Ok, which version of the loader? Did you apply any patches to Chris: gcc 2.8.1? PhilB: are these the correct gcc and binutils versions? > Here's the output from 'make config', Looks mostly ok, except for: > * > * Floppy, IDE, and other block devices > * > Normal floppy disk support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD) [Y/m/n/?] y > Enhanced IDE disk/cdrom/tape support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE) [Y/m/n/?] y Ok, IDE support. > * > * Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives > * > Use old disk-only driver on primary interface (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE) > [N/y/?] n > Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK) [Y/m/n/?] n > Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD) [Y/m/n/?] n > Include IDE/ATAPI TAPE support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE) [N/y/m/?] n > Include IDE/ATAPI FLOPPY support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY) [N/y/m/?] n But no IDE device drivers? You at least want IDE/ATA-2 DISK support. > Support Frame buffer devices (CONFIG_FB) [N/y/?] (NEW) n Good choice at the moment ;) > IP: Drop source routed frames (CONFIG_IP_NOSR) [Y/n/?] n It is generally at good idea to turn this option on. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 19 22:59:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29004 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:59:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00127 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:01:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:2672 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1914-3796>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:00:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971490-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:38:09 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1596 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971504-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:37:38 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yy1MM-00046U-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:51:10 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:20:32 BST." <199807192020.VAA00570@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:51:10 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >> I used gcc 2.8.1 & binutils 2.1.9.0.6 to compile the kernel with > >PhilB: are these the correct gcc and binutils versions? They should be fine for the kernel. The binutils problems that people have had would usually stop the kernel from either linking or booting at all. If it really was the `can't mount root on 03:03' problem then not having IDE disk support is certainly a bit of a smoking gun. 03:03 is hda3 I think. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 00:10:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA29265 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:10:58 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00199 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:10:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31351 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19633-14900>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:10:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971524-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:36:50 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:39021 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971608-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:32:18 -0400 Received: from (nedman) [158.152.8.32] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yy2LR-0002bH-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:54:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Gransden To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:52:33 +0100 Message-ID: <4868508f41chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 In-Reply-To: <199807192020.VAA00570@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 19 Jul, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Chris: was that original panic: can't mount root filesystem on device 03:03? > Chris: Ok, which version of the loader? Did you apply any patches to > Chris: gcc 2.8.1? I'm using V3.26 (28 Jun 1998) of the loader and I applied Phil's ELF patches to gcc & binutils. > Looks mostly ok, except for: > But no IDE device drivers? You at least want IDE/ATA-2 DISK support. Ok, I've recompiled the kernel with this option. I get this now, Partition Check: hda: unknown partition table hdb: unknown partition table VFS: Cannot open root device 00:03 Kernel panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:03 Chris -- Email: chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 00:59:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA29283 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:59:00 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00210 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:58:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10576 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1449-15808>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:58:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971550-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:59:08 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1870 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971573-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:53:27 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id AAA25292; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:15:22 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807192315.AAA25292@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: StrongARM Revision K To: dickon-ml@fluff.org (Dickon Hood) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:15:17 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <5ff416848%dickon-ml@splurge.fluff.org> from "Dickon Hood" at Jul 19, 98 09:03:15 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > It's impossible to fix given that the processor trashes r14_abort at the > critical point. Bad luck. Nice idea. Upgrade to a rev. S chip. > > Doesn't seem to affect Linux/arm too much or even NetBSD/arm32 with the UVM > kernel, but I'd not be seen dead running either given the problems. Most people dont see to worry too much about such things. Similar problems havent stopped everyone running a 486 with the FPU enabled unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 01:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA29300 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:16:05 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00214 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:16:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19544 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20413-15808>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:15:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971694-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:30:08 -0400 Received: from [207.67.245.34] ([207.67.245.34]:25146 "EHLO ns1.netopolis.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971752-15443>; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:10:59 -0400 Received: from netopolis.net (dt0b0nfb.san.rr.com [204.210.50.251]) by ns1.netopolis.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA06706 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:29:03 -0700 Message-ID: <35B281E5.72108C5D@netopolis.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:31:49 -0700 From: Blake Binkley Organization: Netopolis, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ARM Linux Subject: Touchpanel support for Brutus? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Is there touchpanel support built into the Linux kernel? or has anyone made a touchpanel module? Blake Binkley unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 09:54:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29524 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:54:47 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00262 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:54:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:52825 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19534-15808>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:54:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971723-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:28:33 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:13420 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971738-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:28:20 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yyBep-0006il-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:50:55 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yyBeo-0006Yy-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:50:54 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chris Gransden cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:52:33 BST." <4868508f41chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:50:53 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Ok, I've recompiled the kernel with this option. I get this now, > >Partition Check: >hda: unknown partition table >hdb: unknown partition table >VFS: Cannot open root device 00:03 >Kernel panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:03 You probably forgot to turn on support for the appropriate type of partition tables. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 12:32:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA30939 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:32:44 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00302 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:32:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14624 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20358-3796>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:32:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971802-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:05:17 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:61097 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971797-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:05:09 -0400 Received: from (gate.sw.milldev.co.uk) [193.237.23.100] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyEAF-0001KB-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:31:32 +0000 Received: from florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (florence.sw.milldev.co.uk [192.168.0.6]) by gate.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27851; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:07:16 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA00922; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:07:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199807201107.MAA00922@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 To: chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:07:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > > >Ok, I've recompiled the kernel with this option. I get this now, > > > >Partition Check: > >hda: unknown partition table > >hdb: unknown partition table > >VFS: Cannot open root device 00:03 > >Kernel panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:03 > > You probably forgot to turn on support for the appropriate type of partition > tables. I'm still not convinced about this 'root fs on 00:03'. That's not right. Have you tried giving the loader on the extra kernel arguments line 'root=/dev/hda3'? It's the question it asks after you select the kernel to boot. -- Russell King (rmk@milldev.demon.co.uk) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 15:30:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA32137 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:30:02 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00336 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:30:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30584 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19471-3796>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:28:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970893-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:00:58 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:39979 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970909-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:00:42 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29437 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:25:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA19970; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:25:39 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:25:39 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 In-Reply-To: <199807201107.MAA00922@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Russell King wrote: > Philip Blundell writes: > > > >Ok, I've recompiled the kernel with this option. I get this now, > > > > > >Partition Check: > > >hda: unknown partition table > > >hdb: unknown partition table > > >VFS: Cannot open root device 00:03 > > >Kernel panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:03 > > > > You probably forgot to turn on support for the appropriate type of partition > > tables. > > I'm still not convinced about this 'root fs on 00:03'. That's not right. > Have you tried giving the loader on the extra kernel arguments line > 'root=/dev/hda3'? It's the question it asks after you select the kernel > to boot. When I looked through the mails today I found out that the ADFS partition support was disabled. Maybe the kernel will boot from 03:03 when it finds a valid partition table. Nevertheless, the kernel will have to be recompiled. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 16:15:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA32348 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:15:55 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00360 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:16:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:34338 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19537-3796>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:15:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971089-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:46:57 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:52658 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971047-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:44:48 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA02425 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:11:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA26193; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:11:56 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:11:55 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: glibc2 problems Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO I finally managed to compile glibc2 & everything else that is needed. To get rid of the unresolved symbols errors I had to modify sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/pread64.c, pwrite64.c, sysctl.c to return ENOSYS or emulate the syscalls cause I couldn't find them in my v2.0.34 kernel includes. Next thing is that I can't run any elf binary produced by binutils 2.9.1.0.6, gcc 2.8.1 and glibc 2.0.94. I always gives me a memory violation at adress 0x3250 (or somewhere around that, it's always the same adress). I suspect the crt*.S files (maybe wrong adressing mode somewhere) or the binutils (have forgotten the base adress???). I think it's still before loading the dynamic linker (no uselib(../ld-linux.so.2) in strace output). Someone's got problems like that??? Has the glibc-"support" moved??? ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 17:25:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA32662 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:25:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00370 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:25:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:42042 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19788-14900>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:25:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970799-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:56:24 -0400 Received: from relay1.mail.uk.psi.net ([154.32.105.6]:56055 "HELO relay1.mail.uk.psi.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971240-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:51:06 -0400 Received: from ftp.gas.co.uk [193.114.35.5] by relay1.mail.uk.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyIdg-0006Br-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:18:12 +0100 Received: from staines-mime.trading.centrica.com by ftp.gas.co.uk via smtpd (for relay1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.6]) with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 16:14:02 UT Received: from staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com (unverified [128.1.144.1]) by staines-mime.trading.centrica.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:17:12 +0100 Received: by staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:18:02 +0100 Message-Id: <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E8430@staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com> From: steve@gas.co.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: IMPA4 Email Client Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:18:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Is there an IMAP4 mail client available for Arm Linux ? unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 17:32:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA32692 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:32:04 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00396 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:32:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49984 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20138-15808>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:30:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970893-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:02:32 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:11288 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970909-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:59:37 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA32675; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:26:42 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807201626.RAA32675@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: IMPA4 Email Client To: steve@gas.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:26:41 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E8430@staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com> from "steve@gas.co.uk" at Jul 20, 98 05:18:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO steve@gas.co.uk > > Is there an IMAP4 mail client available for Arm Linux ? There's PINE. . -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 18:01:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00013 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:01:30 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00401 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:01:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27492 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19899-3796>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:01:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970909-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:33:41 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:15063 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971129-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:33:18 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yyJAO-0007Kt-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:52:00 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yyJAN-0001Fn-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:51:59 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: steve@gas.co.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: IMPA4 Email Client In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:18:01 BST." <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E8430@staines-ex01.trading.centrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:51:58 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO In message <3E60782BD6C5D111ADD100805F8B824E8430@staines-ex01.trading.centrica. com>, steve@gas.co.uk writes: >Is there an IMAP4 mail client available for Arm Linux ? You should be able to compile Pine without too much trouble. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 18:45:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00065 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:45:31 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00405 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:45:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:13376 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20259-3796>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:45:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971221-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:17:37 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:35533 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971187-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:17:18 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA11650; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:44:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA24653; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:44:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:44:41 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Philip Blundell Cc: steve@gas.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: IMPA4 Email Client In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > com>, steve@gas.co.uk writes: > >Is there an IMAP4 mail client available for Arm Linux ? > > You should be able to compile Pine without too much trouble. It's true, I've done it and I can read my mails at home (though I have to get them home on disk cause I don't have net access there). ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 21:09:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00295 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:09:07 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00412 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:09:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11086 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10293-14900>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:09:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971381-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:39:43 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:38277 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971405-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:39:28 -0400 Received: from (reinhouse.demon.co.uk) [212.228.88.2] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyMDO-00052o-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:07:19 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by reinhouse.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:14:02 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:58:47 +0100 From: Timothy Baldwin To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM Revision K Message-ID: <9e137d6848%tim@reinhouse.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2ce0426848%dickon-ml@splurge.fluff.org> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO In message <2ce0426848%dickon-ml@splurge.fluff.org> Dickon Hood wrote: > In message > Dave Gilbert wrote: > > : On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Dickon Hood wrote: > > : > : I was just wondering if ARM Linux has a fix for this or not. > : > : Any ideas? > > : > It's impossible to fix given that the processor trashes r14_abort at the > : > critical point. Bad luck. Nice idea. Upgrade to a rev. S chip. > > : Can you give the list some more details of this 'feature' please. > > Nope, 'cos I can't remember them. Look back through the NetBSD/arm32 mailing > list ('RiscBSD'); it was done to death there a while back. Something to do > with PC being in a register pull list and on the last word of a page boundary > with the next page unmapped... To clarify it is the LDM instruction that is on the last word of the page. There are two software fixes for this : 1. Ensure there are no offending LDM instructions on the last word of a page. (ie. modify ld, rather simple I expect, and write a program to find the offending binaries so you don't have to recomplie everything.) 2. Ensure that the next page is not unmapped (I expect it would add a significant amount of complexity to the kernel.) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 22:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00455 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:12:14 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00420 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:12:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:55063 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10338-9853>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:12:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971405-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:43:43 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:33068 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971476-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:43:17 -0400 Received: from (nedman) [158.152.8.32] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyNDG-00051M-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:11:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Gransden To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:40:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4868c2d68fchrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 In-Reply-To: <199807201107.MAA00922@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 20 Jul, Russell King wrote: > Philip Blundell writes: > > > > You probably forgot to turn on support for the appropriate type of partition > > tables. > I'm still not convinced about this 'root fs on 00:03'. That's not right. > Have you tried giving the loader on the extra kernel arguments line > 'root=/dev/hda3'? It's the question it asks after you select the kernel > to boot. Tried this. Same result I'm afraid. I've compiled the kernel again this time with Acorn partition support. Now I get, Partition Check: hda: <0> Kernel panic: Free list corrupted. Chris -- Email: chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 23:24:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00555 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:24:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00434 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:24:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:13090 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10639-14900>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:24:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971230-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:51:32 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1796 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971138-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:46:45 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA17354; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:14:50 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17249; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:14:01 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA01125; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:15:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199807202215.XAA01125@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 To: chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk (Chris Gransden) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:15:08 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <4868c2d68fchrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> from "Chris Gransden" at Jul 20, 98 08:40:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Chris Gransden writes: > On 20 Jul, Russell King wrote: > > Philip Blundell writes: > > > > > > You probably forgot to turn on support for the appropriate type of partition > > > tables. > > > I'm still not convinced about this 'root fs on 00:03'. That's not right. > > Have you tried giving the loader on the extra kernel arguments line > > 'root=/dev/hda3'? It's the question it asks after you select the kernel > > to boot. > > Tried this. Same result I'm afraid. > I've compiled the kernel again this time with Acorn partition support. > Now I get, > > Partition Check: > hda: <0> Kernel panic: Free list corrupted. I've never seen that on any 2.1.108 kernels I've tried on the RiscPC. Phil> this looks like a compiler bug - could you check it out with Chris please? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 20 23:45:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00573 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:45:18 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00442 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:45:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:9264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10224-14900>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:45:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971230-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:16:40 -0400 Received: from palrel1.hp.com ([156.153.255.242]:2408 "EHLO palrel1.hp.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971352-15443>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:16:20 -0400 Received: from hpclbis.cup.hp.com (hpclbis.cup.hp.com [15.0.96.154]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id PAA26457 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (hpcll504.cup.hp.com) by hpclbis.cup.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA015714665; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:44:25 -0700 Message-Id: <35B3C921.AFC61230@cup.hp.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:48:01 -0700 From: "Jack Tihon (PDG)" Organization: HP Performance Delivery Lab X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.34 i686) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: digital Shark Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3F919E27042BC9BD023E2FFB" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO --------------3F919E27042BC9BD023E2FFB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I skimmed the web page, but I couldn't tell if the DEC shark can run Arm/Linux. (specifically the rev. 5) I don't know much about the netwinder, but they seem similar enough that it shouldn't be too hard to leverage their stuff. (afaik, the corel rep that e-mailed me said that the netwinder is not based on the shark. can someone else verify this) partially lost in netbsd/arm32, -- Jack Tihon segfault@altavista.net --------------3F919E27042BC9BD023E2FFB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
    I skimmed the web page, but I couldn't tell if the DEC shark can run Arm/Linux. (specifically the rev. 5)
I don't know much about the netwinder, but they seem similar enough that it shouldn't be too hard to leverage
their stuff.

(afaik, the corel rep that e-mailed me said that the netwinder is not based on the shark.  can someone else verify this)
 

partially lost in netbsd/arm32, 

-- 
Jack Tihon        segfault@altavista.net
  --------------3F919E27042BC9BD023E2FFB-- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 09:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA01635 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:55:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00601 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:55:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:13836 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20150-3796>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:55:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971138-15443>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:22:30 -0400 Received: from [210.154.37.2] ([210.154.37.2]:21539 "EHLO ns.funai-tky.co.jp" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971475-15443>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:21:09 -0400 Received: from hiropu ([192.168.1.19] (may be forged)) by ns.funai-tky.co.jp (8.8.6/3.4W4-FUNAI-TKY-970730) with SMTP id RAA24339 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:47:07 +0900 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:51:28 +0900 From: Hiroshi Ishii To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Cant get mailing-list archive! Message-Id: <35B45690355.123EHIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24.13 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I try to get mailing-listarchive. (ftp://ftp.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/armlinux/mail/9806) But server response "Permission denied". Why??? -------------------------------------- Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD -Hiroshi Ishii unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 10:26:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01675 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:26:44 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00606 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:27:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40532 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20150-14900>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:25:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971131-15443>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:52:28 -0400 Received: from hikmail2.fzk.de ([141.52.2.5]:44030 "HELO hikmail2.fzk.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971391-15443>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:51:32 -0400 Received: from lan008070 (actually lan008070.fzk.de) by hikmail2 with Local-SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:20:16 +0200 From: Roland Fritz Organization: Rudolph&Rohnacher To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:19:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Installation problems (was ether3 not found) Reply-to: roland@hik.fzk.de X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Message-ID: <"hikmail2.f.963:21.07.98.09.20.23"@hikmail2.fzk.de> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi! Here's my experience with the new rpc kernel and the new disks (14.07.): This gives an error in insmod when trying to run fpe or ether modules: (4) insmod:memory violation at pc=0x00bc0264, lr=0x2000b320 (bad address=0x00bc0264, code3) When using old kernel and the new disks ether3 is found correctly, but some rpms fail (x11-fonts,...) I tried a minimal system (nothing checked in the setup), only gawk and ncurses failed to install ;-) But after setting up kbd and time the setup prg said "I couldn't find a kernel!" I checked the /mnt/boot (I compared with my PC linux) and there was nothing. There's also no kernel rpm in the RPMS directory on arm linux (unlike redhat for PC). So how do I get a kernel an my system? Roland. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 10:44:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01680 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:44:55 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00610 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:45:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28543 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11224-15808>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:43:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971165-15443>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:13:22 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:16545 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971132-15443>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:12:31 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yyYlk-0007yK-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:31:36 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yyYlj-00007V-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:31:35 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jack Tihon (PDG)" cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: digital Shark In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:48:01 PDT." <35B3C921.AFC61230@cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:31:35 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > I skimmed the web page, but I couldn't tell if the DEC shark can run >Arm/Linux. (specifically the rev. 5) I don't know of anybody who has it running on the Shark. But a port would probably not be all that hard. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 14:09:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02445 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:09:45 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00633 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:10:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:44345 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20294-9853>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:09:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971244-32154>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:11:56 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:13894 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971686-32154>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:54:05 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08513; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:36:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:36:48 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: Roland Fritz cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Installation problems (was ether3 not found) In-Reply-To: <"hikmail2.f.963:21.07.98.09.20.23"@hikmail2.fzk.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Roland Fritz wrote: > Hi! > > Here's my experience with the new rpc kernel and the new disks (14.07.): > > This gives an error in insmod when trying to run fpe or ether modules: > (4) insmod:memory violation at pc=0x00bc0264, lr=0x2000b320 (bad address=0x00bc0264, code3) > > When using old kernel and the new disks ether3 is found correctly, but some rpms fail (x11-fonts,...) > I tried a minimal system (nothing checked in the setup), only gawk and ncurses failed to install ;-) > But after setting up kbd and time the setup prg said "I couldn't find a kernel!" > I checked the /mnt/boot (I compared with my PC linux) and there was nothing. There's also no kernel rpm in the > RPMS directory on arm linux (unlike redhat for PC). So how do I get a kernel an my system? This is a well-known problem, probably in the FAQ (hint nudge). Shell out (alt-F2), and call sync (it'll probably be in /mnt/bin/sync) to ensure your drives are all happy. Then reset. Phil -- Rule of programming #2: Everything that can go wrong will go wrong, but only on other people's configurations. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 14:15:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02449 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:15:27 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00637 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:15:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:6481 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20288-14900>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:14:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971098-32154>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:12:14 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:13894 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971681-32154>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:54:04 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08498; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:35:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:35:07 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: Hiroshi Ishii cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cant get mailing-list archive! In-Reply-To: <35B45690355.123EHIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Hiroshi Ishii wrote: > Hi, > > I try to get mailing-listarchive. > (ftp://ftp.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/armlinux/mail/9806) > But server response "Permission denied". > > Why??? Ah - this looks like Matthew Wilcox has managed to forget to set the permissions to the file. It should be readably by everyone but it looks like maybe it's not. Fix it, MW! ;-) -- Rule of programming #2: Everything that can go wrong will go wrong, but only on other people's configurations. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 17:46:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA02844 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:46:35 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00661 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:46:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31057 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19684-14900>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:46:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971704-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:20:30 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:46074 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971895-32154>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:05:48 -0400 Received: from (nedman) [158.152.8.32] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yydug-0004Er-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:01:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Gransden To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:44:14 +0100 Message-ID: <48692b8663chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 In-Reply-To: <199807202215.XAA01125@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On 20 Jul, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > > > Partition Check: > > hda: <0> Kernel panic: Free list corrupted. > I've never seen that on any 2.1.108 kernels I've tried on the RiscPC. > Phil> this looks like a compiler bug - could you check it out with > Chris please? You're right. I've now managed to successfully boot the kernel. This time I used gcc 2.7.2.2 & binutils 2.9.1.0.6. Thanks for your help. Chris. -- Email: chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 19:24:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03026 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:24:23 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00670 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:24:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26920 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10804-14900>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:23:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971249-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:35:41 -0400 Received: from POP3.tu-dresden.de ([141.30.2.83]:61462 "HELO POP3.tu-dresden.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971341-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:09:05 -0400 Received: from rmail.urz.tu-dresden.de by rks3 with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:36:14 +0200 Received: from rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de (actually Rcs1.urz.tu-dresden.de) by rmail with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:38:55 +0200 Received: from Sirius ([141.30.230.105]) by rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA468140 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:39:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:27:16 +0100 From: Peter Teichmann To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: KDE? Message-ID: <48693FF1E3%teich-p@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de> Organization: My home is my castle! X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, are there plans to port (compile) KDE to armlinux? Anyone tried it? I think KDE should be really available for ArmLinux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (For those who do not know what KDE is, look at http://www.kde.org) I tried it, but unfortunately with not very much success. KDE is based on TrollTechs Qt library (http://www.troll.no/dl). So I first needed to compile Qt. Unfortunately I could not compile it as a dynamic library, because -fPIC is not supportet by GCC 2.7.2.2. For a real usable KDE it should really be a shared library. After some changes to the Makefiles (removing -fPIC, changing "ar cqs" to "ar rc" all compiled without problems, it took only about an hour. But the most important problem was, that the example applications did not want to run. They crashed all with a segmetation fault and dumped a 8MB core. I think it can not be too hard to get KDE running, as it is already running under RiscBSD, unfortunately a bit slow. -- Peter Teichmann ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: teich-p@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de WWW: rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~teich-p unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 20:38:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03492 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:38:37 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00678 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:38:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:62763 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1121-3796>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:38:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971587-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:40:39 -0400 Received: from mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.48.8]:36685 "HELO mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971761-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:13:43 -0400 Received: from mraosf.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #2) id m0yyhOb-0004GHC; Tue, 21 Jul 98 19:44 BST Received: from localhost by mraosf.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:44:17 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:44:16 +0100 (BST) From: Toby Haynes X-Sender: tjwh1@mraosf To: ARM Linux Subject: g77, gcc 2.8? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO I've been investigating compiling up gcc with Fortran 77 and Fortran 90 support. The g77 source code I have currently requires a gcc 2.8 source tree with which to merge the g77 source in order to compile a C/C++/F77/F90 version of gcc. However I note from the armlinux web page that the gcc 2.8.1 release is broken in several respects. Since the gcc 2.7 source tree won't do for this, I'm stuck without a decent fortran compiler... f2c will cover many things but it doesn't include the MIL library support, among others. Has anyone managed to compile g77? Are there any ARM patches for any of the gcc 2.8 distributions? Or should it be fairly straightforward to get it up and running and I'm just chicken? :-) My current thoughts are along the lines of ripping the libI77 and libF77 out of g77 and compiling them using f2c to attempt to give me something usable... On a different note, I compiled up the latest RPM 2.5.1 source code without trouble, but I get errors when trying to do rpm -ivv along the lines of error. Error code 2: Unknown header on *all* the srpm's I have tried. Any clues? The SRPMS I have extract fine when using rpm2cpio etc... Finally, it would probably be a good idea to have a link on the ARM Linux FAQ to one of the general Linux FAQs to help people like me who are new to Linux to chase down problems on their own. Thanks to Phillip Blundell I ended up finding all the information I neeeded but a nice obvious link wouldn't hurt. Thanks, Toby _______________________________________________________________________ Toby Haynes | "Alarm clock? Oh, you mean the sad pile of Rm 965, MRAO | cogs and twisted springs under that dent Uni. of Cambridge | in the wall?" unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 21:25:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03522 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:25:37 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00688 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:25:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20048 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1714-14900>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:25:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970791-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:31:31 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1786 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971445-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:08:25 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yyi3A-0005SZ-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:26:12 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chris Gransden cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Booting kernel V2.1.108 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:44:14 BST." <48692b8663chrisg@nedman.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:26:11 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >> I've never seen that on any 2.1.108 kernels I've tried on the RiscPC. >> Phil> this looks like a compiler bug - could you check it out with >> Chris please? > >You're right. I've now managed to successfully boot the kernel. This time I >used gcc 2.7.2.2 & binutils 2.9.1.0.6. That's certainly something of a smoking gun. Somewhere near the top of my list of things to do is making an egcs-1.1-based compiler release for ARM/ELF and this problem may come out in the wash. (Incidentally, if you use -mcpu=strongarm110 then GCC 2.8 will generate ldrh/ strh instructions that don't work on the RiscPC. You might need to fiddle the Makefile to turn this off if you get it by default.) p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 21:27:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03526 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:27:05 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00692 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:27:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14688 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1909-3796>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:26:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971385-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:31:41 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:2041 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971575-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:11:11 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id UAA12682; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:41:20 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199807211941.UAA12682@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: KDE? To: teich-p@Rcs1.urz.tu-dresden.de (Peter Teichmann) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:41:11 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <48693FF1E3%teich-p@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de> from "Peter Teichmann" at Jul 21, 98 07:27:16 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > TrollTechs Qt library (http://www.troll.no/dl). So I first needed to compile > Qt. Unfortunately I could not compile it as a dynamic library, because > -fPIC is not supportet by GCC 2.7.2.2. For a real usable KDE it should > really be a shared library. After some changes to the Makefiles (removing > -fPIC, changing "ar cqs" to "ar rc" all compiled without problems, it took > only about an hour. But the most important problem was, that the example > applications did not want to run. They crashed all with a segmetation > fault and dumped a 8MB core. > > I think it can not be too hard to get KDE running, as it is already running > under RiscBSD, unfortunately a bit slow. Actually its not triivial. Also you are forbidden by the license from distributing a modified Qt which makes life more fun. The Gnome people (www.gnome.org) do have at least the core libraries working nicely on the slightly strange world of the ARM (char being unsigned got Rasterman for a while). If you can be bothered to pull all the stuff gnome should run on the ARM boxes, and fast - its C not C++. Alan unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 21:29:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03530 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:29:26 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00696 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:29:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14688 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2021-15808>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:27:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971406-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:31:49 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:54497 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971837-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:17:17 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15585; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:44:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.41]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20114; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:44:42 +0200 Received: (from shanske@localhost) by aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id VAA40968; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:44:41 +0200 (METDST) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:44:41 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Peter Teichmann cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: KDE? In-Reply-To: <48693FF1E3%teich-p@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Peter Teichmann wrote: > Hi, > > are there plans to port (compile) KDE to armlinux? Anyone tried it? > I think KDE should be really available for ArmLinux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > (For those who do not know what KDE is, look at http://www.kde.org) > > I tried it, but unfortunately with not very much success. KDE is based on > TrollTechs Qt library (http://www.troll.no/dl). So I first needed to compile > Qt. Unfortunately I could not compile it as a dynamic library, because > -fPIC is not supportet by GCC 2.7.2.2. For a real usable KDE it should > really be a shared library. After some changes to the Makefiles (removing > -fPIC, changing "ar cqs" to "ar rc" all compiled without problems, it took > only about an hour. But the most important problem was, that the example > applications did not want to run. They crashed all with a segmetation > fault and dumped a 8MB core. > > I think it can not be too hard to get KDE running, as it is already running > under RiscBSD, unfortunately a bit slow. > You can't compile qt as a shared library yet, setup as linux-gcc-static should work. This is because gcc-2.7.2.2 is a.out which is not supported by qt. This changes when moving to ELF. Try strace -o logfile and you will see that they abort after accessing $HOME/.Xauthority, locale.dir & locale.alias in the X11 tree, after renaming them it works on my system. But there some KDE binaries show the same behaviour. You can't rename all the files cause there may be some important ones for the system. I will however try to build a usable ELF system myself and then try again. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 21:35:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03539 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:35:07 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00701 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:35:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:9333 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1845-9853>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:35:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971728-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:42:29 -0400 Received: from relay5.UU.NET ([192.48.96.15]:4839 "EHLO relay5.UU.NET" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971722-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:18:51 -0400 Received: from xedia.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQezal03767; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06817; Tue, 21 Jul 98 15:49:36 EDT Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04926; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:49:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:49:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199807211949.PAA04926@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: tjwh1@mrao.cam.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: g77, gcc 2.8? References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >>>>> "Toby" == Toby Haynes writes: Toby> I've been investigating compiling up gcc with Fortran 77 and Toby> Fortran 90 support. The g77 source code I have currently Toby> requires a gcc 2.8 source tree with which to merge the g77 Toby> source in order to compile a C/C++/F77/F90 version of Toby> gcc.... A nice way to get g77 all packaged up with build procedures that are pretty straightforward is to get the current edition of "egcs". That's a somewhat more experimental branch of gcc development; among many things, it has incorporated g77 right in the main kit. No merge needed as was the case before. If memory serves, egcs currently has arm a.out format support but I'm not sure it has ELF support yet, so you may want to keep 2.8.x around as well. Look in http://egcs.cygnus.com/ for more. paul -- !----------------------------------------------------------------------- ! Paul Koning, NI1D, D-20853 ! Xedia Corporation, 119 Russell Street, Littleton, MA 01460, USA ! phone: +1 978 952 6000 ext 115, fax: +1 978 952 6090 ! email: pkoning@xedia.com ! Pgp: 27 81 A9 73 A6 0B B3 BE 18 A3 BF DD 1A 59 51 75 !----------------------------------------------------------------------- ! Diffie & Hellman were right! ! "Exhaustive cryptanalysis of the NBS Data Encryption Standard", 6/1977 ! http://www.eff.org/descracker.html unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 21 22:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03614 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:37:00 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00727 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:37:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7252 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1912-14900>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:36:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970886-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:49:55 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1867 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971714-9949>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:41:57 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yyjUo-0005YA-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:58:50 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Toby Haynes cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: g77, gcc 2.8? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:44:16 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:58:50 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >I've been investigating compiling up gcc with Fortran 77 and Fortran 90 >support. The g77 source code I have currently requires a gcc 2.8 source >tree with which to merge the g77 source in order to compile a >C/C++/F77/F90 version of gcc. However I note from the armlinux web page >that the gcc 2.8.1 release is broken in several respects. Since the gcc >2.7 source tree won't do for this, I'm stuck without a decent fortran >compiler... f2c will cover many things but it doesn't include the MIL >library support, among others. I would imagine that gcc 2.8 or egcs will probably work pretty much straight off. There do seem to be some lurking problems that come out to play when you turn on lots of optimisation and StrongARM specifics but the compiler isn't as terribly broken as you might think for most purposes - the kernel seems particularly good at triggering corner cases that upset it. EGCS has had quite a lot of fixes since 2.8.1 was released and so it's probably a better bet. I believe that EGCS has better Fortran integration as well though that's not an area I have any direct interest in. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 22 07:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04356 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:22:39 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00805 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:23:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64843 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6468-3796>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:22:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970921-9949>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:45:12 -0400 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz ([202.20.65.1]:2829 "EHLO planet.ak.planet.gen.nz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970886-9949>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:42:16 -0400 Received: from pasa.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-55.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.215]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13333 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:11:14 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:13:28 +1200 (GMT) From: Hendrik den Hartog Subject: Arm-Linux onto a SCSI To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hello... I'm after some help with installing ArmLinux via a HardDisc onto a scsi disc. Has anyone got any instructions for doing this? I've installed HardDisc >> IDE Disc OK, so highlighting the differences would be enough. In particular, the instructions I used to install linux to an IDE drive had.. 'mknod /dev/hda? b 3 3' with a formulae for working out the last '2nd' number that went.... 64* ?+Partition Number etc. (then some dire warnings about not getting this mknod command wrong) What I'd like to know is the 'version' of this for a scsi drive, Cheers! Hendrik -- Hendrik den Hartog- Pasadena Intermediate School- Auckland- NZ (E-Mail)hendrik@pasadena.school.nz pasa@ak.planet.gen.nz (WWW) http://www.pasadena.school.nz/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 22 10:26:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04828 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:26:06 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00820 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:26:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31768 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1528-14900>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:24:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971326-9949>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:52:03 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:23318 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971406-9949>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:48:55 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13749; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:20:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:20:14 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: Hendrik den Hartog cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Arm-Linux onto a SCSI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO OK. This is a little more long-winded than it needs to be, but I've written this with the intention (since this subject has, AFAICR, come up more than once before) that it can be put in the mailing list archive. It might be a good idea to follow this up by putting a copy of linux/Documents/devices.txt on the armlinux ftp/web site so people can refer to it when working out major/minor numbers etc. On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Hendrik den Hartog wrote: > In particular, the instructions I used to install linux to an IDE > drive had.. > > 'mknod /dev/hda? b 3 3' > > with a formulae for working out the last '2nd' number that went.... > > 64* ?+Partition Number etc. (then some dire warnings about not > getting this mknod command wrong) > > What I'd like to know is the 'version' of this for a scsi drive, AFAICR, the second of those two numbers is as you say, and the first number is the number of the device type itself. A list of these and a complete guide to working out the numbers (and other bits and pieces) can be found amongst the linux kernel source, in (assuming you have the kernel source installed in /usr/src): /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt [looks in said file] It took me a little while to work out which bits of the file meant what. So here's a run-down on how to decode the thing. Firstly, do 'man mknod'. This tells you you should use mknod like this: mknod [options] filename {bcu} major minor We'll ignore options. 'filename' is the device filename which, for (as an example) partition 3 on your first SCSI disc, will be '/dev/sda3'. The major and minor numbers I'll go into later, but the {bcu} bit is either: b: block (buffered) special file c: character special file u: unbuffered character special file We're not after a character device (that's for things like keyboards and serial ports where the input/output is in a steady stream). We're after type 'b'. Now all we need is are the major and minor numbers. If you look down the devices.txt file you'll see a load of entries which have, on the left hand side, a number followed by 'block', 'char' or maybe something else too. The number is the major device number, and the word describes the kind of device it is (ie 'block' corresponds to 'b' in the mknod arguments, 'char' to 'c' etc). Then, for each of these entries, there's some descriptive text. This text describes the minor number, and how to get it. We need SCSI discs in this case, so search for 'SCSI' in the file. We now have a section which describes the kind of numbers you should use to creating SCSI device inodes. From this block we can see that: The number on the right is '8' (the major number) and it is, indeed, a block device. You can fit a maximum of 15 partitions per SCSI disc (cf IDE discs which can take up to 63 partitions). There is a good reason for this. You can only have 4 IDE discs (the minor number then going up to a maximum of 255) whereas you can have up to 16 SCSI discs (256/16 = 16, therefore 15 partitions (one number is allocated to accessing the entire disc)). So. We now know that the letter we need is 'b', the major number is '8' (yeek - sounds like sesame street!) and we know how to calculate the minor number. So here's a few examples: For partition 3 on the first SCSI disc: mknod /dev/sda3 b 8 3 For partition 5 on the second SCSI disc: mknod /dev/sdb5 b 8 21 There. Easy when you know how. Now I'll expect you to be able to work out the arguments for mknod for any device you encounter. Enjoy, Phil -- strcpy((newstring=(char *)malloc(1+strlen(source)))? newstring : (exit(1), 0), source); Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 23 02:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07536 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:34:21 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01013 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:34:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63064 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1292-9853>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:34:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970973-21930>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:59:58 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:37441 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971256-21930>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:56:42 -0400 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzADC-0003vk-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:30:26 +0000 Message-ID: <35B691D6.ED5E140D@causality.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:28:54 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Blundell CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: soft float References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell wrote: > Neil: most of the substantive changes I made are in fplib_glue.S. I tried to > avoid breaking NetBSD compatibility but I haven't checked that it still works. > It would be nice to be able to use the same code on both NetBSD and Linux and > it shouldn't be too hard to arrange, since the floating-point code is pretty > much OS independent. You might like to take a look at that file and my > arm-gcc.h. Okay, I'll fish it out over the weekend. Cheers, Neil -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 23 02:35:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07540 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:34:59 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01016 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:35:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63064 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1293-14900>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:35:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970843-21930>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:00:14 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:37431 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971247-21930>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:56:38 -0400 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzAD6-0003un-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:30:20 +0000 Message-ID: <35B69127.89D92C37@causality.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:25:59 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Blundell CC: "Jack Tihon (PDG)" , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: digital Shark References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell wrote: > > > I skimmed the web page, but I couldn't tell if the DEC shark can run > >Arm/Linux. (specifically the rev. 5) > > I don't know of anybody who has it running on the Shark. But a port would > probably not be all that hard. It's functionally quite different from most of the other machines supported, but it shouldn't be impossible. Would probably require a fair amount of work, though. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 23 10:09:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07907 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:09:07 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01098 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:09:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:16902 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11226-9853>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:08:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971332-21930>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:33:19 -0400 Received: from hikmail2.fzk.de ([141.52.2.5]:62920 "HELO hikmail2.fzk.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971347-21930>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:28:47 -0400 Received: from lan008070 (actually lan008070.fzk.de) by hikmail2 with Local-SMTP (PP); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:00:27 +0200 From: Roland Fritz Organization: Rudolph&Rohnacher To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:59:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Installing with ether3 Reply-to: roland@hik.fzk.de X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Message-ID: <"hikmail2.f.730:23.07.98.09.00.29"@hikmail2.fzk.de> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi! Finally I solved the ether3 problem: newest rpc kernal has a problem with 32 MB of RAM. mem=16M let the installation run without errors. Can this be added to the FAQs as a general hint not to install on more than 16MB? Roland. PS: error is the well-known insmod error... ========================================================= Roland Fritz roland@hik.fzk.de Magdeburger Ring 29 76344 Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen Germany ========================================================= unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 23 19:29:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09649 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:29:51 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01221 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:30:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40465 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19653-3796>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:30:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970921-10079>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:23:57 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:18796 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971582-21930>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:52:08 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA09463 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:26:20 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807231726.SAA09463@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: success with ether3 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:26:19 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO As far as I am concerned, the latest ether3 code works great with my StrongARM. That's a SEEQ 8005 on an Atomwide board. Thanks, Russell. -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 23 20:30:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09892 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:30:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01251 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:31:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14709 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19443-9853>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:30:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971395-10079>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:45:33 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:37532 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971651-10079>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:27:25 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14832 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:02:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.47]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA42960 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:02:28 +0200 Received: (from shanske@localhost) by aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id VAA40290; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:02:27 +0200 (METDST) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:02:27 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Kernel v2.1.78 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi Russel, I've tried to compile the kernel 2.1.78 and as is seems the changes in arch/arm/kernel/head/armv.S and arch/arm/kernel/setup.c to support strange ARM710 types have not yet made it there :-) ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 23 20:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10012 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:47:56 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01263 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:48:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14709 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1371-14900>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:48:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971613-10079>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:47:31 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:41418 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971746-10079>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:42:09 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15702 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:17:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.47]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA71378 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:17:19 +0200 Received: (from shanske@localhost) by aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id VAA44534; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:17:19 +0200 (METDST) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:17:18 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: glibc2-Problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I compiled glibc2 for ELF (static and shared versions) and binaries linked against the shared version just won't run on my ARM710. I've tried kernel V2.1.78 (success: tons of memory violation messages and a complete hang) and v2.0.34 (a single segmentation fault message and a core dump). The static version worked with a very small program (count up to ten and print little messages). Under kernel 2.0.34 there's a segmentation fault at 0x3470 (this time I remember it correctly), with the link register pointing to 0x4000xxxx (???). A first look at the binary showed nothing unusual. Could it be that the code is still called with a 26-bit PC mode from the kernel? Thanx for any tips & tricks... ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 23 23:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10602 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:17:15 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01321 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:17:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54636 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2018-14900>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:17:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971480-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:33:05 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2065 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971406-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:17:53 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yzT8G-0008Fk-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:42:36 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Hanske Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Kernel v2.1.78 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:02:27 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:42:35 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >I've tried to compile the kernel 2.1.78 and as is seems the changes in >arch/arm/kernel/head/armv.S and arch/arm/kernel/setup.c to support strange >ARM710 types have not yet made it there :-) 2.1.78 predates those changes by quite a long way. Try one of the later kernels (2.1.108 or so). p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 23 23:23:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10622 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:23:43 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01325 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:24:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:44660 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19436-9853>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:23:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971506-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:33:19 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2067 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971420-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:19:15 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yzTBV-0008Gf-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:45:57 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Hanske cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: glibc2-Problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:17:18 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:45:56 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >I compiled glibc2 for ELF (static and shared versions) and binaries linked >against the shared version just won't run on my ARM710. I've tried kernel >V2.1.78 (success: tons of memory violation messages and a complete hang) >and v2.0.34 (a single segmentation fault message and a core dump). >The static version worked with a very small program (count up to ten and >print little messages). I have a suspicion that something in the current binutils isn't quite right. I'm looking into it now. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 00:19:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11110 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:19:44 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01372 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:20:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31340 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20122-15808>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:20:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971392-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:16:17 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1478 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971580-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:42:56 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup4.cymru.net [163.164.160.68]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA13288; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:22:40 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20851; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:21:49 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA01701; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:23:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199807232123.WAA01701@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Kernel v2.1.78 To: shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Stefan Hanske) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:22:59 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Stefan Hanske" at Jul 23, 98 09:02:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Stefan Hanske writes: > I've tried to compile the kernel 2.1.78 and as is seems the changes in > arch/arm/kernel/head/armv.S and arch/arm/kernel/setup.c to support strange > ARM710 types have not yet made it there :-) Erm. Erm. Erm? Why are you using 2.1.78? The latest development kernel (which works more-or-less) is 2.1.108. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 00:27:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11114 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:27:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01376 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:28:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31340 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19949-14900>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:27:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971508-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:16:25 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1538 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971592-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:44:26 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup4.cymru.net [163.164.160.68]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA14570; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:19:14 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20994; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:18:26 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA01844; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:19:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199807232219.XAA01844@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: glibc2-Problems To: shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Stefan Hanske) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:19:33 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Stefan Hanske" at Jul 23, 98 09:17:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Stefan Hanske writes: > Under kernel 2.0.34 there's a segmentation fault at 0x3470 (this time I > remember it correctly), with the link register pointing to 0x4000xxxx > (???). A first look at the binary showed nothing unusual. Could it be that > the code is still called with a 26-bit PC mode from the kernel? I wouldn't have thought so - 2.0.34 will always run ELF in 32-bit mode. Did you tell GCC to compile with -mapcs-32? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 01:11:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11180 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:11:37 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01388 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:12:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:1625 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19422-15808>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:12:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971376-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:31:33 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:52589 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971392-15588>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:29:43 -0400 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzVN3-00067b-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: <35B7BC76.4D9A7CBE@causality.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:43:02 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Blundell CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: soft float References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Greetings, Does anyone know if a full soft-float userland is going to appear at some stage? Also, when will there be a version of the FP Emulator that works with Linux 2.1 kernels available? I'm presently trying to run 2.1, and things seem to fall over left right and centre which is apparently due to the lack of the FPE. Alternatively, if someone can provide me with some knowledge as to what the required FP interfaces are (I don't have time to read the source) I can make a proper, more efficient version of the emulator available that handles multiple register sets better (see the one in NetBSD, which could potentially be ported over although it only works in a full 32-bit mode). Regards, Neil -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 09:31:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11964 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:31:57 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01465 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:32:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:844 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19738-9853>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:32:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971240-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:54:55 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:56162 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971210-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:54:43 -0400 Received: from (gate.sw.milldev.co.uk) [193.237.23.100] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzdGC-0003q8-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:31:28 +0000 Received: from florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (florence.sw.milldev.co.uk [192.168.0.6]) by gate.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05593 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:20:31 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA02998 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:20:30 +0100 Message-Id: <199807240820.JAA02998@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Subject: Re: soft float To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:20:29 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO There will be a version of the FPE available (once I find the time to really hack the modutils to put certain bugs back in). Unfortunately, at the moment, the FPEmulator module is highly kernel specific - I hope to fix this next week. > Alternatively, if someone can provide me with some knowledge as to what > the required FP interfaces are (I don't have time to read the source) I > can make a proper, more efficient version of the emulator available that In what way is the Acorn one not a 'proper' emulator? I believed (and have been told) that the Acorn FPE is highly optimised for the StrongARM - in what way is your emulator more efficient? > handles multiple register sets better (see the one in NetBSD, which > could potentially be ported over although it only works in a full 32-bit > mode). How exactly are task switches handled? -- Russell King (rmk@milldev.demon.co.uk) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 10:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12028 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:01:09 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01475 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:01:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14688 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10594-15808>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:01:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971119-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:23:39 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:26660 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971378-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:19:43 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yzdVe-0002xB-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:47:26 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yzdVd-00002C-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:47:25 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Neil A. Carson" cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: soft float In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:43:02 BST." <35B7BC76.4D9A7CBE@causality.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:47:25 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Does anyone know if a full soft-float userland is going to appear at >some stage? Yes, it's on my list of things to do. I'm currently busy with other things but I hope to do it within a few weeks. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 10:22:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12050 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:22:24 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01481 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:23:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60443 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10283-9853>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:22:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971411-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:45:10 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:26723 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971397-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:44:56 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yzdng-0002yp-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:06:04 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yzdnf-00005m-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:06:03 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Stefan Hanske), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: glibc2-Problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:19:33 BST." <199807232219.XAA01844@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:06:03 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >I wouldn't have thought so - 2.0.34 will always run ELF in 32-bit mode. >Did you tell GCC to compile with -mapcs-32? I think there is a misfeature in the current gcc that means it defaults to 26-bit code even for `arm-linux'. I'll fix this. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 11:35:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12123 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:35:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01491 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:36:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:15200 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1565-15808>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:36:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971270-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:58:12 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:6865 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971129-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:58:00 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net (phil@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA28972; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:35:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:35:29 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman To: Russell King cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: soft float In-Reply-To: <199807240820.JAA02998@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Russell King wrote: > There will be a version of the FPE available (once I find the time to really > hack the modutils to put certain bugs back in). Unfortunately, at the moment, > the FPEmulator module is highly kernel specific - I hope to fix this next week. s/bugs/bug fixes/ ? -- Linux: A penguin which jumps through Windows and leaps over Gates. Phil Norman, mailing from Oregan Networks. email: forrey@eh.org URL: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 14:45:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12333 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:45:05 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01513 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:46:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40309 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1954-14900>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:44:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971500-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:01:20 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:27187 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971480-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:58:05 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yzi08-0003LL-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:35:12 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yzi07-0000JF-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:35:11 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Phil Norman cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: soft float In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:35:29 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:35:10 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >> There will be a version of the FPE available (once I find the time to really >> hack the modutils to put certain bugs back in). > >s/bugs/bug fixes/ ? No, he means what he says. The current modutils is, apparently, too smart for its own good and won't let you load a module on a kernel it thinks isn't compatible. This needs nobbling for the FPEmulator unfortunately. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 15:48:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12469 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:48:23 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01518 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:49:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60770 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1215-9853>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:47:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971555-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:08:35 -0400 Received: from pecan.acorn.co.uk ([136.170.131.22]:34472 "HELO pecan.acorn.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971563-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:04:59 -0400 Received: from ether21.acorn.co.uk by pecan.acorn.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA08679; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:42:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:42:34 +0100 (BST) From: Robin Cull Subject: Linux networking on RPC To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, United Kingdom X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Can anybody help me....!! I have just installed linux for the first time, fetching the packages from the arm-linux site by FTP during installation - but now networking does not work. During boot i get the message "delaying eth0 initialization". I have been told the kernel i'm running doesn't support etherH (the driver i need) is this true?? I belive i'm running the pre-compiled rpc kernel 1) how can i check this , 2) I currnetly have to boot linux using the bootkernel switch for !linux & entering root=/dev/hda3 Yes i have read the FAQ's - and have run loadmap, it reported "tables updated ok" or something like that. The error i get running !linux with no switches is :- *** assertion failed: ldr !=NULL, file c.ldr line 148 and in a RISCOS error box:- Postmortem 39db7c0 in shared library function 39db864 in shared library function 39dd798 in shared library function a600 in anonymous function ab38 in anonymous function 39fac inunknown procedure Any help muchly appreciated :) Thanks DaveB unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 16:21:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12593 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:21:11 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01528 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:22:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:51068 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1991-9853>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:22:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971420-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:43:46 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:17000 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971260-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:43:32 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12572; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:20:06 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807241520.QAA12572@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Linux networking on RPC To: rcull@acorn.com (Robin Cull) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:20:05 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Robin Cull" at Jul 24, 98 03:42:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Robin Cull > I have just installed linux for the first time, fetching the packages > from the arm-linux site by FTP during installation - but now networking > does not work. During boot i get the message "delaying eth0 > initialization". I have been told the kernel i'm running doesn't support > etherH (the driver i need) is this true?? The prebuilt kernel does not have support for etherh built in - but it does have support for etherh built as a module. this is in the modules package adjacent to the kernel on the ftp site. Use modprobe to load the etherh module (it depends on the 8390 module) and then use ifconfig to get it working. Personally, I use a modprobe just before the ifconfig statement in /etc/rc.d/rc.network, iirc. >I belive i'm running the > pre-compiled rpc kernel 1) how can i check this , 2) I currnetly have to > boot linux using the bootkernel switch for !linux & entering > root=/dev/hda3 Yes i have read the FAQ's - and have run loadmap, it > reported "tables updated ok" or something like that. The error i get > running !linux with no switches is :- > > *** assertion failed: ldr !=NULL, file c.ldr line 148 > > and in a RISCOS error box:- > > Postmortem > 39db7c0 in shared library function > 39db864 in shared library function > 39dd798 in shared library function > a600 in anonymous function > ab38 in anonymous function > 39fac inunknown procedure Hmm... which version of RISC OS are you running? And which version of !Linux? I believe this is the behaviour I saw when using RISC OS 3.5 instead of 3.7.. -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 17:32:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12855 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:32:03 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01547 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:33:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27467 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10943-3796>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:32:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971061-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:52:59 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:44183 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971138-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:52:39 -0400 Received: from (causality.com) [158.152.208.192] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzkjh-0003sp-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:30:26 +0000 Message-ID: <35B8B527.99CAD80E@causality.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:24:07 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: soft float References: <199807240820.JAA02998@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Russell King wrote: > There will be a version of the FPE available (once I find the time to really > hack the modutils to put certain bugs back in). Unfortunately, at the moment, > the FPEmulator module is highly kernel specific - I hope to fix this next week. Great! > > Alternatively, if someone can provide me with some knowledge as to what > > the required FP interfaces are (I don't have time to read the source) I > > can make a proper, more efficient version of the emulator available that > > In what way is the Acorn one not a 'proper' emulator? > > I believed (and have been told) that the Acorn FPE is highly optimised for > the StrongARM - in what way is your emulator more efficient? As far as I know, it doesn't make use of the StrongARM's extended multiply, but this may change---do an objdump | grep or something like that. Also, in the past Acorn's emulator used to engineer a switch from 32-bit undefine mode to 26-bit supervisor mode on entering the undefined vector which took some time. Also, using 26 bit code adds some instruction overhead a bit in the main body. So, when I did the emulator I configured it to assume a 32-bit mode, left out the 26-bit legacy support and sat it straight on the undefined vector. > > handles multiple register sets better (see the one in NetBSD, which > > could potentially be ported over although it only works in a full 32-bit > > mode). > > How exactly are task switches handled? The ARM FP Emulator core (which is basically what Acorn's is, with a veneer on it) is buildable in many, many different ways. In a mode that Acorn don't use, it can be defined to run in a 'multitasking' mode, whereby it eliminates the necessity for sfm/lfm instructions on context switches. Instead, it keeps track of its own register sets internally and dynamically allocates/deallocates them as necessary and just provides the calling OS with a context handle instead. All of these could be hacked in to the Acorn binaries (eg by using the equivalent of one whole RMA instance of the FPE per task, but this is wasteful), but the way ARM themselves have done it is much neater. Regards, Neil -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 17:51:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12918 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:51:56 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01552 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:52:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:38255 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10478-9853>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:52:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971506-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:14:24 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:18622 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971138-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:14:11 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA12907 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:50:53 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807241650.RAA12907@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: news from the bleeding edge To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:50:51 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: O There's been some worrying about whether Linux 2.2 would be able to run on 4MB machines. The consensus had been that it wouldn't and it wasn't worth worrying about. However, thanks to some work by Bill Hawes, someone's booted their machine in 3MB, so people with 4MB ARM boxes should just about be able to cope (the 32k page size is a killer here) It seems that Linus is not willing to add new-feature patches without good reason. This includes my nifty little hack which will make it possible to install on an ADFS drive without repartitioning. To convince him it's worth adding, I'd like people to mail me requesting this feature to be added so I can show the demand. Thanks. -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 17:51:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12918 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:51:56 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01552 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:52:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:38255 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10478-9853>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:52:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971506-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:14:24 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:18622 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971138-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:14:11 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA12907 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:50:53 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807241650.RAA12907@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: news from the bleeding edge To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:50:51 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO There's been some worrying about whether Linux 2.2 would be able to run on 4MB machines. The consensus had been that it wouldn't and it wasn't worth worrying about. However, thanks to some work by Bill Hawes, someone's booted their machine in 3MB, so people with 4MB ARM boxes should just about be able to cope (the 32k page size is a killer here) It seems that Linus is not willing to add new-feature patches without good reason. This includes my nifty little hack which will make it possible to install on an ADFS drive without repartitioning. To convince him it's worth adding, I'd like people to mail me requesting this feature to be added so I can show the demand. Thanks. -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 18:18:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12950 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:18:14 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01559 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:19:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47885 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10805-14900>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:17:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971559-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:39:24 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:55714 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971546-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:37:09 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16056 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:14:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA12486; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:14:58 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:14:57 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: glibc2-Problems In-Reply-To: <199807232219.XAA01844@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Stefan Hanske writes: > > Under kernel 2.0.34 there's a segmentation fault at 0x3470 (this time I > > remember it correctly), with the link register pointing to 0x4000xxxx > > (???). A first look at the binary showed nothing unusual. Could it be that > > the code is still called with a 26-bit PC mode from the kernel? > > I wouldn't have thought so - 2.0.34 will always run ELF in 32-bit mode. > Did you tell GCC to compile with -mapcs-32? I thought this was the default for ELF in gcc-2.8.1. I'll have a look at the specs file. Atm. ELF-gcc only works for 32-bit modes, 26-bit PC support was said to be added later. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 20:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13249 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:03:56 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01574 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:04:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22616 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1542-14900>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:04:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971138-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:26:17 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2112 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971056-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:26:00 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yzmyK-0000Lz-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:53:40 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Hanske cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: glibc2-Problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:14:57 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:53:40 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >I thought this was the default for ELF in gcc-2.8.1. I'll have a look at >the specs file. Atm. ELF-gcc only works for 32-bit modes, 26-bit PC >support was said to be added later. The problem isn't really in gcc, it's the linker script that needs to change. It wouldn't be all that hard to engineer but nobody has shown any real interest yet. The problem does still remain that GCC is a bit too keen to default to -mapcs-26. I put code into the more recent glibcs to catch this and give an error, having tripped over it too often. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 24 20:23:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13321 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:23:16 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01578 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:24:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:65390 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1545-3796>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:22:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971061-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:40:58 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1987 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971586-15588>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:39:47 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA07643; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:17:34 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21661; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:49:43 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA00505; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:51:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199807241851.TAA00505@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Linux networking on RPC To: rcull@acorn.com (Robin Cull) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:51:02 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Robin Cull" at Jul 24, 98 03:42:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Robin Cull writes: > Can anybody help me....!! We'll try to, but we'll need some extra information. Have a look at my problem report form on my web pages, fill it out, and hit Send. > I have just installed linux for the first time, fetching the packages > from the arm-linux site by FTP during installation - but now networking > does not work. During boot i get the message "delaying eth0 > initialization". This can be for a variety of reasons. It could be that it hasn't recognised your card, or that the module can't be found. > I have been told the kernel i'm running doesn't support etherH (the > driver i need) is this true?? Linux certainly does support EtherH, however there are many different versions around - they all go by the generic name 'EtherH'. Some examples are (with or without an 'A' suffix): EtherLan 600 / EtherLan 500 / EtherLan 200 Only EtherLan 600 is known to work properly (I use one every day of the year, except when I'm on holiday), and an EtherLan 500 may work (still waiting to hear success/failure stories on that one). > I belive i'm running the pre-compiled rpc kernel 1) how can i check this, When the kernel boots, and you log in, you should find a file /var/log/dmesg. These are the kernel messages issued while it was booting. You should see in there a line similar to: Linux version 2.0.34 (src@raistlin) (gcc version 2.7.2.2) #4 Sat Jun 6 18:26:34 BST 1998 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is the important bit. If it says src@raistlin, then it is one of my kernels. The date should give a clue to which kernel it is. > 2) I currnetly have to boot linux using the bootkernel switch for !linux & > entering root=/dev/hda3 Yes i have read the FAQ's - and have run loadmap, > it reported "tables updated ok" or something like that. The error i get > running !linux with no switches is :- Which version of !linux are you using? It's displayed with the menu. Can you mail the contents of your /etc/boot.conf file please, as well as the !Linux configuration file - this should be in either !Linux or in !Boot.Choices.Linux.Config. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jul 25 18:56:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15312 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:56:02 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01778 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:45:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:9824 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1201-3796>; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:44:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970890-15588>; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:05:09 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2453 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971053-15588>; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:04:48 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0z08Er-0004Li-00; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:36:09 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: couple of ELF hints Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:36:08 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO There seems to be a problem with binutils-2.9.1.0.7 and symbol versioning. This causes a slew of `BFD assertion failed' messages from the linker. At a first glance I think one of the assertions is spurious but the other seems to indicate a real problem. To work around this, configure glibc with the `--disable-versioning' switch. You may need to apply the appended small patch to elf/Makefile as well. --- clean/libc-980516/elf/Makefile Sat May 16 01:01:33 1998 +++ libc/elf/Makefile Sat Jul 25 16:18:14 1998 @@ -35,7 +35,9 @@ # ld.so uses those routines, plus some special stuff for being the program # interpreter and operating independent of libc. rtld-routines := rtld $(dl-routines) dl-sysdep dl-minimal +ifeq ($(versioning),yes) ld-map = $(..)libc.map +endif distribute = $(rtld-routines:=.c) dynamic-link.h do-rel.h dl-machine.h \ dl-hash.h soinit.c sofini.c ldd.sh.in ldd.bash.in eval.c \ genrtldtbl.awk atomicity.h dl-procinfo.h ldsodefs.h \ Also, there is a potential pitfall with GCC and libgcc.a. You may need to add -DPIC to the CFLAGS used when compiling libgcc.a. It's important that the calls to __div0 are done through the PLT, otherwise some PC24 relocs can end up leaking into places you don't want them (like the dynamic linker). Russell: is it true that both 2.0 and 2.1 kernels now have the same (and correct) ELF loading behaviour? p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 26 12:36:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16299 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:36:55 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01884 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:38:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63281 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11048-14900>; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:38:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971247-30420>; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 05:57:44 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1049 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971258-30420>; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 05:57:17 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0z0OzU-0000zl-00; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:29:24 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: more ELF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:29:24 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO It turns out that 2.1 kernels at least have ELF_EXEC_PAGESIZE set to 32768, which causes file mappings to go wrong. I think it needs to be set to 4096 for the current ELF toolchain and 32-bit machines. There's no point trying to make the binary pagesize compatible with MEMC machines, because 32-bit code will never run on those machines anyway and other hacks will probably be needed in the binutils to avoid the double-mapping problem. I think this change should be enough to get dynamic-linked user-space ELF running. 2.0 kernels may have the same problem. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jul 26 15:27:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16507 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:27:25 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01902 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:28:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:21528 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10790-14900>; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:28:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970910-30420>; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 08:48:12 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1191 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970909-30420>; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 08:48:00 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA14637; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:27:48 +0100 Received: from tasslehoff.armlinux.org (tasslehoff [192.168.0.5]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00490; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:26:42 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tasslehoff.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA00242; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:26:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199807261526.QAA00242@tasslehoff.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: more ELF To: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:26:51 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 26, 98 12:29:24 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > It turns out that 2.1 kernels at least have ELF_EXEC_PAGESIZE set to 32768, > which causes file mappings to go wrong. I think it needs to be set to 4096 It would seem logical, wouldn't it! ;) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 27 09:32:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA18020 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:32:06 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02057 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:32:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:517 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10599-14900>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:31:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971119-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:50:32 -0400 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz ([202.20.65.1]:4053 "EHLO planet.ak.planet.gen.nz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971080-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:50:12 -0400 Received: from pasa.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-23.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.183]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21980 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:17:00 +1200 (NZST) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:19:01 +1200 (GMT) From: Hendrik den Hartog Subject: Partitioning a SCSI Drive To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Help, Just as I thought I had everything worked out ready to go, I've hit a brick wall. All the instructions for installing Arm linux seem pitched to installing on a IDE drive - therefore I had no trouble with this - but - I now want to install Arm Linux onto [half of] my SCSI drive, and can't get !PartMan to recognise/see the 'spare' half of my drive. Has anyone a method for partitioning and then formating a SCSI drive 50/50 ADFS/Linux? (Using a Cumana SCSI II card/Quantum HD/SA RiscPC . Previously the drive has been totally used for ADFS / set up via Cumana's SCSI Manager) Cheers! Hendrik -- Hendrik den Hartog- Pasadena Intermediate School- Auckland- NZ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 27 19:06:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18946 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:06:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02129 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:06:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:1571 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10345-15808>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:03:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971499-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:52:36 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:51912 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971758-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:38:49 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12748; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:20:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.157]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17838; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:20:10 +0200 Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf2) id AA23420; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:20:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:20:07 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Hendrik den Hartog Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Partitioning a SCSI Drive In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Hendrik den Hartog wrote: > Help, Just as I thought I had everything worked out ready to go, I've hit > a brick wall. > All the instructions for installing Arm linux seem pitched to installing > on a IDE drive - therefore I had no trouble with this - but - I now > want to install Arm Linux onto [half of] my SCSI drive, and can't get > !PartMan to recognise/see the 'spare' half of my drive. > > Has anyone a method for partitioning and then formating a SCSI drive > 50/50 ADFS/Linux? I could get Linux ext2 partitions onto my scsi drive by formatting it with scsidm to a shared disc (RiscOS & RiscIX). The kernel (V2.0.33 I've tested) should be able to read the partition table correctly and is able to access the partitions nativly. I don't know if !Linux recognizes this partition table (only important if the SCSI HD contains the root partition), if not to get around this you could modify !Linux.!Run to -bootkernel automatically. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 27 22:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19202 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:16:57 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02157 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:17:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40784 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10221-9853>; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:16:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971768-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:28:41 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1200 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971772-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:50:15 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0z0srU-0005sE-00; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:23:08 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: next patches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:23:08 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO When should we expect the next `official' 2.1 ARM patch? p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jul 27 23:38:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19318 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 23:38:49 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02179 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 23:39:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:15160 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10395-9853>; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:38:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970807-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:10:29 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1980 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971706-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:04:39 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup3.cymru.net [163.164.160.67]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA20619; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:46:23 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03162; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:45:29 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00924; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:46:44 +0100 Message-Id: <199807272146.WAA00924@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: next patches To: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:46:43 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 27, 98 08:23:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > When should we expect the next `official' 2.1 ARM patch? When I find the time to do it. I've still got a lot of work to pull a lot of other peoples work through to a non-2.1.110pre2 status. I'd guess around Thursday now. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 28 00:06:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19362 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:06:05 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA02219 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:06:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57184 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1665-14900>; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:04:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971747-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:46:29 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1124 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971781-30420>; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:08:14 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup3.cymru.net [163.164.160.67]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA20687 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:50:07 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03173 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:49:08 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00940 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:50:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199807272150.WAA00940@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: next patches To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:50:22 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jul 27, 98 08:23:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi All, Sorry to those who are still expecing a reply from me - my mailboxes have lost all of their tracking info (and I no longer know what I've replied to this month). If you're still waiting, can you mail me again please? (that includes mails today). Thanks. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 29 15:05:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22097 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:05:03 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02551 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:05:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:16400 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11005-15808>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:03:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971314-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:18:18 -0400 Received: from ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk ([158.152.81.3]:4666 "EHLO ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk" ident: "rsimpson") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971247-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:17:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (rsimpson@localhost) by ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06101 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:03:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:03:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Richard Simpson To: Arm Linux Mailing List Subject: Using 2.1.x kernels Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hello, I wonder if someone could clarify the current position with respect to 2.1 kernels by answering the following questions. 1) Precisely what compilers and other utilities do I require in order to sucessfully compile a 2.1 kernel on my RiscPC and where do I find these files. I have had a look round the FTP site and found various patches for gcc and the like which look like they might be to do with this, but it is not clear precisely which files I should patch with them. 2) How well do the current 2.1 kernels work on the RiscPC. If I manage to compile the kernel, can I expect it to at least boot and let me log in? In short, I am looking for a step by step guide to getting a 2.1 kernel running on my RiscPC. Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Simpson Farnborough, Hants, Uk Fax: 01252 392976 rsimpson@ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 29 17:46:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22473 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:46:06 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02567 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:46:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25716 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1119-9853>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:46:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971405-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:57:16 -0400 Received: from ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk ([158.152.81.3]:6422 "EHLO ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk" ident: "rsimpson") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971395-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:53:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (rsimpson@localhost) by ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA07101 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:39:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:39:32 +0100 (GMT) From: Richard Simpson To: Arm Linux Mailing List Subject: Re: Using 2.1.x kernels (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Andrew E. Mileski" > To: Richard Simpson > Richard Simpson wrote: >> In short, I am looking for a step by step guide to getting a 2.1 kernel >> running on my RiscPC. > I must be a dolt, 'cause I can't figure out why you would > post a RiscPC question to an ARM mailing list. Surely there > is a RiscPC mailing list? > -- > Andrew E. Mileski Well, it is clear to me that one of us must indeed be a "dolt". I had assumed that the "Arm Linux Mailing List" (to which I have subscribed for some time) would be precisely the right place to ask a question about running Linux on my Arm based RiscPC. If not, then I freely admit to being the "dolt" and apologise for wasting everyone's time. Could someone please point me to the correct mailing list. Thank you, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Simpson Farnborough, Hants, Uk Fax: 01252 392976 rsimpson@ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 29 18:16:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22521 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:15:59 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02575 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:16:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64349 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1989-15808>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:15:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971379-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:28:56 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]:27154 "EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk" ident: "willy") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971446-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:26:20 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22499; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:10:03 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199807291710.SAA22499@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Using 2.1.x kernels (fwd) To: rsimpson@ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk (Richard Simpson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:10:03 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Richard Simpson" at Jul 29, 98 05:39:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Richard Simpson > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Andrew E. Mileski" > > To: Richard Simpson > > > Richard Simpson wrote: > >> In short, I am looking for a step by step guide to getting a 2.1 kernel > >> running on my RiscPC. > > > I must be a dolt, 'cause I can't figure out why you would > > post a RiscPC question to an ARM mailing list. Surely there > > is a RiscPC mailing list? No, there isn't. > Well, it is clear to me that one of us must indeed be a "dolt". I had > assumed that the "Arm Linux Mailing List" (to which I have subscribed for > some time) would be precisely the right place to ask a question about > running Linux on my Arm based RiscPC. It is. > If not, then I freely admit to being the "dolt" and apologise for wasting > everyone's time. Could someone please point me to the correct mailing > list. However, would those people on this list who don't use Acorns prefer it if Acorn specific stuff were on a different list? Mail me directly if so, I'll wait 1 week and report the result. Actually, people using Acorns probably ought to have a vote too.. hmm, answer Y or N to the following two questions: New List: Acorn owner: -- Set Alias$Case Set Alias$[ |||| |MSet Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ \ Matthew "" |MSet Alias$When If %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$[ "" ||MIf %0=%%0 \ Wilcox Then Set Alias$Otherwise Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| ||MIf \ %0=%%0 Then Set Alias$When Set Alias$[ |||||||||||||||| unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 29 18:16:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22523 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:16:01 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02578 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:16:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64349 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1763-14900>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:15:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971394-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:30:50 -0400 Received: from man01.cogency.co.uk ([195.153.128.51]:34061 "HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971406-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:30:33 -0400 Received: from cogency.co.uk by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (SMI-8.6/PIPEX simple 1.27) id SAA21382; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:16:27 +0100 Message-ID: <35BF5872.304106F1@cogency.co.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:14:26 +0100 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Using 2.1.x kernels (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Richard Simpson wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Andrew E. Mileski" > > To: Richard Simpson > > > Richard Simpson wrote: > >> In short, I am looking for a step by step guide to getting a 2.1 kernel > >> running on my RiscPC. > > > I must be a dolt, 'cause I can't figure out why you would > > post a RiscPC question to an ARM mailing list. Surely there > > is a RiscPC mailing list? > > -- > > Andrew E. Mileski > Well, it is clear to me that one of us must indeed be a "dolt". I had > assumed that the "Arm Linux Mailing List" (to which I have subscribed for > some time) would be precisely the right place to ask a question about > running Linux on my Arm based RiscPC. Excuse me guys - please put out the flame war before it starts. Thank you. > If not, then I freely admit to being the "dolt" and apologise for wasting > everyone's time. Could someone please point me to the correct mailing > list. Your on the right mailing list - and someone will probably shortly get round to telling you how difficult it is to build 2.1.x kernels - my advice? Wait a month or so. Anyway, the 'understanding' problem we seem to be having here is that the ARM is known world round, but the RiscPC is known in a small corner of the western spiral arm* of Europe known as the UK - and very few places else. Up until a few months ago 90% of the people on this list were probably Acorn users using a RiscPC, A5000 or some piece of Acorn kit with an ARM in it. Recently we are seeing people with Corel Netwinders, obscure development cards, and ARM powered shoelaces asking about Linux. So as I say - kill the flames. Dave * - Will ARM be making a spiral ARM ? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dr. David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature- - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - +44-(0)161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 29 19:19:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22646 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:19:44 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02591 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:20:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20021 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1187-9853>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:20:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971476-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:35:08 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1651 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971444-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:34:51 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup3.cymru.net [163.164.160.67]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA07189 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:19:15 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04653 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:16:45 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA00370 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:18:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199807291818.TAA00370@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Using 2.1.x kernels (fwd) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:18:11 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <35BF5872.304106F1@cogency.co.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at Jul 29, 98 06:14:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO David Alan Gilbert writes: > Richard Simpson wrote: > > > From: "Andrew E. Mileski" > > > To: Richard Simpson > > > Richard Simpson wrote: > > >> In short, I am looking for a step by step guide to getting a 2.1 kernel > > >> running on my RiscPC. > > > I must be a dolt, 'cause I can't figure out why you would > > > post a RiscPC question to an ARM mailing list. Surely there > > > is a RiscPC mailing list? > > > -- > > > Andrew E. Mileski > > Well, it is clear to me that one of us must indeed be a "dolt". I had > > assumed that the "Arm Linux Mailing List" (to which I have subscribed for > > some time) would be precisely the right place to ask a question about > > running Linux on my Arm based RiscPC. > Excuse me guys - please put out the flame war before it starts. Thank you. Official reply by list owner (me): The linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu list is for all users and developers of ARM Linux, no matter what machines it runs on, be it Netwinders, RiscPCs, A5000s or whatever. No one dictates what gets discussed here, except that I shall do my best to keep the subject to ARM Linux. What I will not tolerate on this list is any attempt to cause friction between any of the user groups. We should be able to co-exist without these problems. I shall be considering updating the mailing list intro and info so that it is more explicit exactly what subject area this list covers. PS, this thread ends here. No flame wars, right! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 29 19:35:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22716 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:35:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02595 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:36:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10594 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1151-15808>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:35:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971449-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:51:01 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:1152 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971446-3797>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:50:53 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 103 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:35:54 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.110.8]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 602 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:33:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35BF6B6C.975880EA@corelcomputer.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:35:24 -0400 From: "Andrew E. Mileski" Organization: Corel Computer Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Using 2.1.x kernels (fwd) References: <199807291710.SAA22499@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO > > > I must be a dolt, 'cause I can't figure out why you would > > > post a RiscPC question to an ARM mailing list. Surely there > > > is a RiscPC mailing list? I could have sworn I sent this privately to Richard :( As I was unsure - yes, it turns out I'm the dolt. Anyways, my confusion has been cleared up. I was thinking PowerPC. -- Andrew E. Mileski unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 11:19:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23772 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:19:36 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02708 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:20:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:15124 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1304-15808>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:19:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971591-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 04:34:17 -0400 Received: from ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk ([158.152.81.3]:1027 "EHLO ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk" ident: "rsimpson") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971514-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 04:34:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (rsimpson@localhost) by ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA00549 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:18:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:18:19 +0100 (GMT) From: Richard Simpson Reply-To: Richard Simpson To: Arm Linux Mailing List Subject: I still want to try 2.1.x kernels! In-Reply-To: <199807291818.TAA00370@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > What I will not tolerate on this list is any attempt to cause friction between > any of the user groups. We should be able to co-exist without these problems. I am sorry if anyone thought that I was trying to cause trouble. I forwarded Mr Mileski's message because I was concerned that I might have lost track of what was going on and posted to the wrong group. I am glad that the confusion has now been resolved. My answers to the survey are: Separate lists: No Acorn user: Yes ************************************************************************** Now, is there any chance that anyone could have a go at answering the original question? ************************************************************************** Thank you, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Simpson Farnborough, Hants, Uk Fax: 01252 392976 rsimpson@ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 11:44:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23815 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:44:41 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02712 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:44:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54572 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1264-9853>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:43:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971514-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 04:57:55 -0400 Received: from man01.cogency.co.uk ([195.153.128.51]:35879 "HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971333-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 04:57:32 -0400 Received: from cogency.co.uk by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (SMI-8.6/PIPEX simple 1.27) id LAA21708; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:44:15 +0100 Message-ID: <35C04E05.6CE312BE@cogency.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:42:13 +0100 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Simpson CC: Arm Linux Mailing List Subject: Re: I still want to try 2.1.x kernels! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Richard Simpson wrote: > > ************************************************************************** > Now, is there any chance that anyone could have a go at answering the > original question? > ************************************************************************** OK - 2.1.x kernels; they can be compiled with a modified compiler (the address of the Patches gets posted every so often), but at the moment there is no standard floating point emulator module that will work on all 2.1.x kernels; this means that you can't run things like 'bash' (you can get away with 'ash'). Russ is working on this and will probably have something out soon, and the compilers are all getting stable, and the 2.1's are settling down a bit as well. So my original advice stands; sit back and wait for a floating point emulator module and the other bits and bobs getting moderatly stable. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dr. David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature- - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - +44-(0)161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 12:06:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA23843 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:06:19 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02717 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:07:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:21567 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1706-9853>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:04:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971514-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 05:19:01 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:24762 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971333-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 05:18:42 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0z1qN3-0000Jc-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:55:41 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0z1qN2-0008EV-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:55:40 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: David Alan Gilbert cc: Richard Simpson , Arm Linux Mailing List Subject: Re: I still want to try 2.1.x kernels! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:42:13 BST." <35C04E05.6CE312BE@cogency.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:55:39 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >OK - 2.1.x kernels; they can be compiled with a modified compiler >(the address of the Patches gets posted every so often), but at >the moment there is no standard floating point emulator module >that will work on all 2.1.x kernels; this means that you can't >run things like 'bash' (you can get away with 'ash'). If you're prepared to use the soft float library and compile your own binaries you can run bash. Unfortunately my efforts to get libfloat going as an ELF shared library seem to have hosed things completely at the moment. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 14:27:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24012 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:27:52 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02773 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:28:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31345 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1482-15808>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:28:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971704-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:36:41 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:55070 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971717-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:35:08 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04320 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:19:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA21747; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:19:36 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:19:35 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: glibc2 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I've tried all the hints from the mailing list... (changing binfmt_elf.c to load ld-linux.so at 0x1000 higher than usual and changing include/asm/elf.h - ELF_EXEC_PAGESIZE to 0x1000 in all combinations; compiling everything again with -mapcs-32 -mcpu=arm7, that means libgcc.a, glibc-2.0.94, test program), and nothing's changed except the address of the exception. The kernel says: small: memory violation ... pc=0x00004010, lr=0x400033f8, bad address 0x00004010 (code 3). So this should be a problem with the dynamic linker. I then renamed ld-linux.so.2, the binary complained about not finding it. Good... The shared library should be loaded at 0x40000000 (the link register should point to the library somewhere). After restoring ld-linux.so.2 I renamed the libc.so.6 (a link) and libc-2.0.94 (the binary) and got the SEGV again. This leads to the dynamic linker as cause of the trouble during execution. (I wonder what ld-linux has to do at 0x40000000 *before* loading the shared library. Is something getting mapped there after loading the binary and the linker???) However, calling ld-linux.so.2 from the command line with --list works. It tells the following load addresses: libc.so.6 -> 0x40000000 ld-linux.so.2 -> 0x1000. Calling ld-linux.so.2 with only an executable as argument fails again, but at different addresses. ( I'm using gcc-2.8.1, binutils-2.9.1.0.6 & glibc-2.0.94 ) ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 15:27:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24040 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:27:08 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02786 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:27:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:8298 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1791-3796>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:26:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971595-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:40:48 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:27718 "HELO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971333-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:39:41 -0400 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0z1tQG-0000dx-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:11:12 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0z1tQF-0000aR-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:11:11 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Hanske cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: glibc2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:19:35 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:11:10 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >(I wonder what ld-linux has to do at 0x40000000 *before* loading the >shared library. Is something getting mapped there after loading the >binary and the linker???) > >However, calling ld-linux.so.2 from the command line with --list works. It >tells the following load addresses: > libc.so.6 -> 0x40000000 > ld-linux.so.2 -> 0x1000. >Calling ld-linux.so.2 with only an executable as argument fails again, >but at different addresses. Beware that ld-linux.so.2 gets loaded differently depending on whether it's being run implicitly as the interpreter, or explicitly because you named it on the command line. So when you use --list to get the load addresses, you must then run ld-linux.so.2 giving it your program as an argument in order to get a matching crash. >(changing binfmt_elf.c to load ld-linux.so at 0x1000 higher than usual I'm not convinced this is necessary, actually. If you have no luck then feel free to mail me your offending binary and I'll try and figure out what the problem is. But I'm going to be on holiday all next week and I probably won't get a chance to look at it until after I get back. I _will_ try and make some patches for glibc 2.0.95 before I go, so people can experiment with the current state of the art. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 15:35:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24063 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:35:30 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02790 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:36:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25971 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1037-3796>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:35:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971609-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:49:04 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:47861 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971353-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:48:50 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09750 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:34:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA25737; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:34:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:34:04 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: glibc2 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > Beware that ld-linux.so.2 gets loaded differently depending on whether it's > being run implicitly as the interpreter, or explicitly because you named it on > the command line. So when you use --list to get the load addresses, you must > then run ld-linux.so.2 giving it your program as an argument in order to get a > matching crash. Sure. > >(changing binfmt_elf.c to load ld-linux.so at 0x1000 higher than usual > > I'm not convinced this is necessary, actually. I gave it a try. Btw., can anyone tell me how to interprete the code numbers in small: memory violation ... bad address 0x00004010 (code [123])? Thanx ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 18:09:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24294 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:09:07 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02818 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:09:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:34608 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2020-3796>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:09:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971696-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:04:00 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:48841 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971797-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:58:12 -0400 Received: from (globe.nexus.co.uk) [158.152.30.195] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z1utS-0007jt-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:45:26 +0000 Received: from (spring.nexus.co.uk) [192.0.0.3] (root) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0z1uhJ-0000kY-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:32:53 +0100 Received: from localhost (spring.nexus.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0z1uhI-00013T-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:32:52 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Hanske cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: glibc2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:34:04 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:32:50 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Btw., can anyone tell me how to interprete the code numbers in > >small: memory violation ... bad address 0x00004010 (code [123])? I think it's in fault-armv.c. From memory, bit 0 is `user' and should always be set; bit 1 is whether it was a read or a write. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 18:17:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24299 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:17:47 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02822 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:18:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5712 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1633-15808>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:16:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971717-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:04:30 -0400 Received: from Clifford.LiveNet.Net ([206.156.5.13]:3897 "EHLO clifford.livenet.net" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971591-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:45:22 -0400 Received: from livenet.net (kenny.livenet.net [206.156.29.199]) by clifford.livenet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23481; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C09F53.CF3EDE6F@livenet.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:29:07 -0400 From: Shaleh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Alan Gilbert CC: Arm Linux Mailing List Subject: float and bash was Re: I still want to try 2.1.x kernels! References: <35C04E05.6CE312BE@cogency.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Why does bash need floats? I missed that one. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 18:21:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24310 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:21:46 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02826 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:22:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5712 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1788-3796>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:20:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971680-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:04:57 -0400 Received: from man01.cogency.co.uk ([195.153.128.51]:37342 "HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971758-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:46:58 -0400 Received: from man05.cogency.co.uk by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (SMI-8.6/PIPEX simple 1.27) id RAA22253; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:33:58 +0100 Received: by man05.cogency.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA17394; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:31:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:31:55 +0100 From: dg@cogency.co.uk (David Gilbert) Message-Id: <199807301631.RAA17394@man05.cogency.co.uk> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: float and bash was Re: I still want to try 2.1.x kernels! X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Shaleh wrote: Why does bash need floats? I missed that one. Nope - I've never figured it out either; it works fine running a random selection of scripts without it, but won't run interactivly with it. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dr. David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature- - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - +44-(0)161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 22:32:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24747 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:32:46 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02859 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:33:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:38244 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1936-3796>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:32:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971688-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:14:11 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1986 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971770-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:31:14 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup3.cymru.net [163.164.160.67]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA05974 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:16:47 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05950 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:11:27 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00412 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:12:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199807301912.UAA00412@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: float and bash was Re: I still want to try 2.1.x kernels! To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:12:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199807301631.RAA17394@man05.cogency.co.uk> from "David Gilbert" at Jul 30, 98 05:31:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO David Gilbert writes: > Shaleh wrote: > Why does bash need floats? I missed that one. > > Nope - I've never figured it out either; it works fine > running a random selection of scripts without it, but > won't run interactivly with it. The reason comes down to the function prologues and epilogues. If bash happens to call some function in the C library that could use floats (eg, printf, scanf), they will attempt to save some of the FP registers. Hence the problem: no emulator = FP instructions are undefined, and therefore cause a SIGILL signal to be delivered to the process. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 23:35:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24860 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:35:46 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02868 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:36:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22624 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1623-14900>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:35:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971642-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:38:52 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1441 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971974-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:56:00 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0z1zP1-0000fE-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:34:19 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu cc: elf-arm@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: new glibc patch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:34:18 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I've made a new ARM patch that should be suitable for glibc 2.0.95. You can find it at vger.rutgers.edu:/pub/gcc/arm/glibc-2.0.95-arm-diff-980730.gz. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 30 23:48:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24868 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:48:48 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02872 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:49:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5652 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1163-3796>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:49:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971838-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:31:53 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1470 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971828-3797>; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:34:48 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0z200f-0002Pa-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:13:13 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, elf-arm@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: glibc binaries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:13:12 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Hi, I thought it might help some of the people having trouble with glibc if there was a vaguely working binary available to compare against. I've made a tarfile containing libc.so, ld-linux.so and `hello world' which should be enough for you to check that your kernel can execute ELF and maybe figure out why the libraries you've built don't work. You can get it at http://www.tazenda.demon.co.uk/phil/armlinux/elf/elf-libc.tar.bz2 (~1.5M) Because of the vagaries of my cross-compile environment you may have to make a symlink to the dynamic linker to /usr/lib/ld.so.1 or some such. I'll also put a copy of the patches I mentioned in my last mail in the same directory. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 31 17:32:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25742 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:32:38 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03002 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:33:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7754 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10583-3796>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:33:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154003-4223>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:43:34 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:38759 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153996-4223>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:30:17 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12725; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:17:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA27992; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:17:18 +0200 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:17:15 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Philip Blundell Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, elf-arm@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: glibc binaries In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > tarfile containing libc.so, ld-linux.so and `hello world' which should be > enough for you to check that your kernel can execute ELF and maybe figure out > why the libraries you've built don't work. You can get it at > > http://www.tazenda.demon.co.uk/phil/armlinux/elf/elf-libc.tar.bz2 (~1.5M) Seems you've forgotten the linker binary itself, there's just a link in the tarfile ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 31 18:31:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from virtual.bbc.co.uk (virtual.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.199]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25896 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:31:42 +0100 Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by virtual.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03007 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:32:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36723 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10928-14900>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:30:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153935-4223>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:41:53 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1506 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154006-4223>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:40:02 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0z2IoW-0003i2-00; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:17:56 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Hanske cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, elf-arm@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: glibc binaries In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:17:15 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:17:56 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO >Seems you've forgotten the linker binary itself, there's just a link in >the tarfile ;-) Oops. I'm uploading ld.so.bz2 to the same directory right now. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu