From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 1 23:05:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6] (may be forged)) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10618 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:05:07 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 63074]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18199-24869>; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 00:29:23 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971619-4491>; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:27:14 -0500 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1454]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971616-4489>; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:26:58 -0500 Received: from cordelia-92.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA26235; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:28:28 GMT Message-Id: <9711012228.AA26235@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 22:27:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Pluto 0.33 for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: Re: How DO you install the Clan CD? Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Phil Norman writes: > > Things you will need: > > "RPMS" off the Clan CD > > "instimage" off the ftp site > > "base" off the ftp site (I'm not sure if you NEED this, but I used it) > I believe that you will need `base', but I may be wrong. > >... > > If there's an easier way to format an ext2 partition please someone tell > > me. It's not possible to format it and use the following method of > > installation by using the formatter built in to the redhat installer, > > since the installer requires a RedHat distribution tree to have been seen > > before it'll format anything. A simple program that formats a given > > partition would be nice, and would save a lot of trouble. > There is - mke2fs /dev/xxxx. However, the installer usually creates the > special devices (under /tmp) as and when it needs them using mknod. Both > should be on the first/second disk. (There is a shell on tty2 [Alt-F2]). Yes. It exists all right! Unfortunately it does not appear to work; at least, not on my system. I have an ICS IDE interface which the latest kernel does seem to handle. Thanks for that Russell. :-) Unfortuntely PartMan does not handle these discs (which are partitioned by IDEFormat), so I need to format the first partition from the boot kernel. But it won't! 'mke2fs /dev/hdd' reports "No such file or device"; But it DOES exist because 'mount -t adfs /dev/hdd' works fine! Do I perhaps need to use /dev/rdhdd like i would with a BSD filesystem? hmmm - something to try tonight I think. I will let you know what happens. All help and/or pointers gratefully accepted. JDL -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 2 23:18:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19176 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:18:03 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 39777]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18049-24869>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:16:16 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971791-4491>; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:13:44 -0500 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1089]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971790-4491>; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:13:29 -0500 Received: from cordelia-93.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA08456; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:14:46 GMT Message-Id: <9711022314.AA08456@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 23:13:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Pluto 0.33 for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: Re: How DO you install the Clan CD? Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Russell King wrote: > John Lagrue writes: > > Unfortuntely PartMan does not handle these discs (which are partitioned by > > IDEFormat), so I need to format the first partition from the boot kernel. > I have talked to Dave Prosser (Baildon Electronics) at the Acorn show, and > apparantly my detection of card version is not foolproof - the old cards > can have the new ROM fitted. He has told me the correct way of detecting > them though, which I'll use in the next kernel release. > When he wrote the partitioning scheme, he did initially provide support for > non-ADFS partitions. However, he couldn't say for certain that the code > still works correctly. He did mention that he'll get back to me, but > basically if what he says is true, then PartMan will be able to alter the > IDEFS partition table without causing disruption to RiscOS. That sounds very interesting and hopeful. > > 'mke2fs /dev/hdd' reports "No such file or device"; > > > There is - mke2fs /dev/xxxx. However, the installer usually creates the > > > special devices (under /tmp) as and when it needs them using mknod. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Re-read this part of my previous message again - I did mention that all > possible device names do not exist under /dev. You have to create them > using mknod. Usage is 'mknod /dev/hdd b 22 64' > > But it DOES exist because 'mount -t adfs /dev/hdd' works fine! > That is because the installer says 'I don't have special device "hdd", so > I'll create it under /tmp, use it, and then remove it.' OK. Point taken. > > Do I perhaps need to use /dev/rdhdd like i would with a BSD filesystem? > > hmmm - something to try tonight I think. > Definitely not! The name doesn't have much to do with it!! All devices are > identified by major/minor device number... > Also, are you sure that you want to partition all of /dev/hdd (the > physical hard disk) for Linux? You should be using /dev/hdd1 and up. > To use them, just add the number onto 64 in the mknod. Eg, > Device Major Minor > /dev/hdd 22 64 > /dev/hdd1 22 65 > /dev/hdd2 22 66 > .... Ah! I didn't realise that! I'll try it in a minute after reading my email. > BTW, does the kernel recognise any of the other ICS partitions? Not noticeably. Certainly on booting up it only finds hdc and hdd. The install program only shows /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd when it asks about installations discs, but I'll look for /dev/hdd1 etc in a minute. Thanks for all your help so far :-) JDL -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 3 01:10:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19839 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:10:05 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 48927]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1441-24869>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:04:05 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971806-4489>; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:01:35 -0500 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1308]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971792-4489>; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:01:20 -0500 Received: from cordelia-121.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA16272; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:03:18 GMT Message-Id: <9711030103.AA16272@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 00:59:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Pluto 0.33a for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: Re: How DO you install the Clan CD? Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO To follow up my earlier note this evening.... Russell King wrote: > Also, are you sure that you want to partition all of /dev/hdd (the > physical hard disk) for Linux? You should be using /dev/hdd1 and up. > To use them, just add the number onto 64 in the mknod. Eg, > Device Major Minor > /dev/hdd 22 64 > /dev/hdd1 22 65 > /dev/hdd2 22 66 > .... Well...I tried it. mount -t adfs /dev/hdd1 /mnt works fine. However /dev/hdd2 or /dev/hdd3 gives the error 'bad argument', even though those IDEFS partitions do exist as far as RISC OS is concerned. So I tried: mknod b /dev/hdd1 22 65 mke2fs /dev/hdd1 Worked a treat. Created the partition and wrote all the superblock info. Running fdisk at this point seemed to show that it couldn't see any partitions any more, but that I think is because it was still looking for /dev/hdd. The RedHat install program still insisted that all I could use were /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd. I decided to go no further at this point, but instead to boot back into RISC OS to check what the mke2fs had done to my disc. It seems that it had completely wiped ALL partition info from the disc and my other two partitions had disappeared. Running IDEFormat confirmed that all the partition information had gone and thus the disc had to be re-partitioned so that RISC OS could get at the rest of it. Yes, I did have a backup :-) So what now? > BTW, does the kernel recognise any of the other ICS partitions? See above. It seems not! JDL -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 3 10:00:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA22745 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:00:02 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 61720]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1649-24869>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:44:15 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971891-4489>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 04:41:26 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 34052]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971885-4489>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 04:41:11 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z14) with SMTP id KAA04570 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:42:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA03558; Mon, 3 Nov 97 10:42:50 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9711030942.AA03558@ikki> Subject: Again:Prob with install To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:42:48 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I just reached the point where I reboot Linux with extra arg root=... The kernel decopressed and went to the messages : partition checked hda : [adfs] hda1 [linux] hda2 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. and then the disc seeked for a part of a second and then nothing. I could type i n something, no other terminal, mothing. Wheres the problem now? Thanx in advance, Tom From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 3 16:05:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA25181 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:05:38 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 53544]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1221-24869>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:58:04 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971977-4491>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:55:18 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1494]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971976-4489>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:54:47 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA24720 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:56:44 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711031456.OAA24720@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Internal HD problem To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:56:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've bought my 2MB VRAM. Now.. hda: Connor peripherals 210MB - CFS210A, 203MB w/32kB cache, CHS = 685/16/38 hda: IRQ probe failed (-2) . . . hda: irq timeout: status=0x50 {DriveReady, SeekComplete} (repeated multiple times) other relevant infos: Installed Expansion Card 0: [0046:00D4] i-cubed ltd, EtherLan 500 interface 19036/20480 k free Kernel compiled on Sun Sep 7 20:41:54 by src@raistlin P.S. Russ, do you have a machine called Fistandantilus? From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Mon Nov 3 22:24:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27890 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:24:13 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA28919 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:24:24 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Nov 97 22:22:07 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09278 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:24:36 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00531 for willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:13:13 GMT Message-Id: <199711032213.WAA00531@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Internal HD problem To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:13:13 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199711031456.OAA24720@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Nov 3, 97 02:56:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > hda: Connor peripherals 210MB - CFS210A, 203MB w/32kB cache, CHS = 685/16/38 > hda: IRQ probe failed (-2) This seems to be saying 'I've detected some activity on IRQ2 (Floppy Index!), as well as some other activity as well, and it doesn't know which interrupt is correct... I may have to permanently mask IRQ2 from the autoprobe... Can you try running Linux from a hard disk and see if that works? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 4 00:17:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA28697 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:17:26 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 49502]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11558-24869>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:37:16 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972126-4489>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:28:24 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 45496]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972122-4491>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:23:39 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA28951; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:24:38 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Nov 97 22:22:21 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09102; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:19:05 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00380; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:18:50 GMT Message-Id: <199711032118.VAA00380@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Again:Prob with install To: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:18:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9711030942.AA03558@ikki> from "Thomas Marx" at Nov 3, 97 10:42:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thomas Marx writes: > I just reached the point where I reboot Linux with extra arg root=... > The kernel decopressed and went to the messages : > Partition Check: > hda : [ADFS] hda1 [LINUX] hda2 > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. > > and then the disc seeked for a part of a second and then nothing. I could type > in something, no other terminal, mothing. I have seen this after running Publisher or Impression on the A5000, and I've heard about this happening on the PC as well. That means that it's not specific to the ARM port, but is located elsewhere. I'm not sure, but by the sounds of it, it happens on PCs as well. You could try using the good old 'fx200 3', rebooting and trying again.. Let me know what happens! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 4 22:57:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04482 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:57:28 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 53623]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11441-2518>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:48:43 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971365-4489>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:45:06 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1511]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971364-4489>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:44:36 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA02006 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:46:35 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711041646.QAA02006@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:46:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Following a chat with Russell at the show, it seems to be a good idea to get integrated with one of the big Linux distributors. Red Hat are unwilling to integrate a non-ELF based distribution, but as you can see from the message below, Debian don't see a.out as a problem. Is anyone else interested in lending a hand building packages? I'm going to install Debian on the PC I'm buying at the weekend, so I'll hopefully be able to suss the debian packaging fairly quickly. There's docs on it available from their website - http://www.debian.com/ - if you're interested. By the way, Russell, you're absolutely right, if I boot off hard disc, there's no problem with the IRQs. I'm just waiting for my hard drive to zip up so I can repartition it. Forwarded message: > From bruce@pixar.com Tue Nov 4 02:02:55 1997 > Message-Id: > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 18:02 PST > From: bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) > To: Matthew Wilcox > Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution > Reply-To: Bruce Perens > > Matt, > > If you want to build it, go ahead! You can also have a Debian mailing > list, FTP space, and web space. You can solicit for volunteers but on the > lists, but other than that I can't offer you much help other than hosting > services. > > Thanks > > Bruce > -- > Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? > Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html > Bruce Perens K6BP bruce@debian.org NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 > From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 4 23:51:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04896 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:51:43 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 30531]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11910-2518>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:40:43 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972371-4489>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:37:08 -0500 Received: from court4.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.188.4] EHLO court4.ncl.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 5708]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972360-4491>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:35:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (armlinux@localhost) by court4.ncl.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA05930 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:37:22 GMT Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:37:16 +0000 (GMT) From: "A.S.MCGough" To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Booting kernels on an R260 - what am I doing wrong? In-Reply-To: <199711032118.VAA00380@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Relpy-To: a.s.mcgough@ncl.ac.uk As it's taking so long to get a booter for riscos 2 I have placed a set of riscos 3 roms into an r260 in an attempt to get things going. But alas all fails. To start with all I want to do is try and boot a kernel - to test if things are working, I've placed the r260 kernel from Dave Gilbert's ftp site onto the r260 along with the latest version of the boot-loader (v. 3.20). I then issue the command: scsi::4.$.!Linux -bootkernel scsi::4.$.r260 this then prompts me to press space, then select kernel (option2). Then a request for extra parameters is given, to which I then press return. The hard-disc is then accessed and then the computer freezes out and only a full reset will do anything. I've tried all obvious avenues - making shure files are transfered as binaries and uncompressing files - but thus far nothing seems to change things. As a second point I've tried the same thing on my riscPC which manages to de-compress the kernel and get as far as probing the cdrom drive. steve.. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 5 00:01:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA04900 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:01:00 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 39500]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15601-2518>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:51:43 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972373-4489>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:48:26 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 43554]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970811-4491>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:48:09 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z14) with SMTP id TAA09029 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:50:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA07932; Tue, 4 Nov 97 19:50:20 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9711041850.AA07932@ikki> Subject: Re: Again:Prob with install To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:50:19 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! Russell writes : > Thomas Marx writes: > > I just reached the point where I reboot Linux with extra arg root=... > > The kernel decopressed and went to the messages : > > Partition Check: > > hda : [ADFS] hda1 [LINUX] hda2 > > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. > > > > and then the disc seeked for a part of a second and then nothing. I could type > > in something, no other terminal, mothing. > > I have seen this after running Publisher or Impression on the A5000, and I've heard > about this happening on the PC as well. That means that it's not specific to the ARM > port, but is located elsewhere. I'm not sure, but by the sounds of it, it happens on > PCs as well. You could try using the good old 'fx200 3', rebooting and trying again.. > Let me know what happens! Nothin else. Do you need some more information for this, ask! Regards, Tom From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 5 07:29:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA07596 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:28:59 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 37488]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16333-2518>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:29:24 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972473-4491>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:25:25 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1710]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972451-4489>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:22:09 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA04236 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:23:23 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711042223.WAA04236@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: EtherH freeze To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:23:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have an EtherLan 500 card (EtherH). When the installer tries to autoprobe the EtherH module, my machine stiffs. I'd pass parameters to it... if I had the faintest idea what parameters it's looking for ;-) The installation continues - I also own an Ether3 card, and I'm busily ftp-installing from a friend's PC. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 5 07:36:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA07601 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:36:00 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 45430]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15505-2518>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:34:44 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972446-4491>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:30:52 -0500 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3228]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972457-4489>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:22:16 -0500 Received: from cordelia-120.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA00218; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:21:25 GMT Message-Id: <9711042221.AA00218@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Reply-To: jdl@cableol.co.uk Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:19:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Pluto 0.33a for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: Problems with latest !linux and !LinConfig Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have just retrieved the latest !linux and !LinConfig from the ARM Linux ftp site. There seems to be a problem wth LinConfig in that when I try to run it it errors with: "You need Linux 3.20 or better" and tells me to get it from the ARM Linux ftp site. What's gone wrong? JDL -- John Lagrue From pb@nexus.co.uk Wed Nov 5 10:22:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from globe (nexusel.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.195]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA08655 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:22:55 GMT Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xT2Lk-0000D7-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:06:12 +0000 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xT2LS-0006Zp-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:05:54 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:46:34 GMT." <199711041646.QAA02006@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:05:54 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO >unwilling to integrate a non-ELF based distribution, but as you can see >from the message below, Debian don't see a.out as a problem. Is anyone That's true. I had a brief discussion with Bruce about this sometime last year. The idea foundered for lack of time on my part but other than that nobody seemed to object. I'm also about to start looking at merging some of the kernel source with 2.1 unless anybody has a major objection to that. p. From janm@kom.auc.dk Wed Nov 5 10:58:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from zaz.kom.auc.dk (root@zaz.kom.auc.dk [130.225.51.10]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA08822 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:58:37 GMT Received: from wartburg.kom.auc.dk [130.225.51.19] (janm) by zaz.kom.auc.dk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xT3As-0007fP-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:59:02 +0100 Sender: janm@kom.auc.dk Message-ID: <34605176.2DEF8F18@kom.auc.dk> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:59:02 +0100 From: Jan Magnussen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: EtherH freeze References: <199711042223.WAA04236@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > I have an EtherLan 500 card (EtherH). When the installer tries to autoprobe > the EtherH module, my machine stiffs. I'd pass parameters to it... if I > had the faintest idea what parameters it's looking for ;-) > > The installation continues - I also own an Ether3 card, and I'm busily > ftp-installing from a friend's PC. I have an I-cubed EtherLan 500 card too, and whenever I try to load the etherh.o module the computer freezes up totally. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.kom.auc.dk/~janm Fidonet 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 5 11:01:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08826 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:01:33 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 28192]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16323-2518>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:47:33 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971565-4491>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:44:16 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1570]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971296-4489>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:44:01 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA06115 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:46:22 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711050246.CAA06115@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: more kernel buglets To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:46:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Both of these have occurred during the boot, they've not shown up while the installer's been running. Twice, I've had an unending stream of messages: `Wild Interrupt from backplane?' And once while it was loading the root fs, I got `floppy 0: timeout handler died' but it then recovered, as far as I can tell. The red hat installer still complains in the last step about not being able to find the kernel, but I've found the solution in my mailing list archives (thanks Ale & Deborah) so I'm going to try it now. By the way, if anyone else has had their RPMs go through a torturous route & end up as 10-character names on a FTP server that won't auto-truncate for you, I have a script that will rename them all for you.. Matthew. From olof.backing@netinsight.se Wed Nov 5 13:37:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from ernst.netinsight.se ([195.17.50.130] (may be forged)) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA09828 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:37:49 GMT Received: from wally (unverified [195.17.50.147]) by ernst.netinsight.se (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:33:49 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971105143748.00926240@ernst> X-Sender: obg@ernst X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:37:48 +0100 To: Philip Blundell , Matthew Wilcox From: Olof Backing Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO At 10:05 1997-11-05 +0000, Philip Blundell wrote: >>unwilling to integrate a non-ELF based distribution, but as you can see >>from the message below, Debian don't see a.out as a problem. Is anyone > >That's true. I had a brief discussion with Bruce about this sometime last >year. The idea foundered for lack of time on my part but other than that >nobody seemed to object. > >I'm also about to start looking at merging some of the kernel source with 2.1 >unless anybody has a major objection to that. Ahh, the group of 2.1-ers are growing... No, I have no objections since I'm right in the middle of that. And with the GCC as well. /Olof Olof Backing Net Insight AB Phone: +46-8 449 22 36 Ingenjörsvägen 3, 2tr Fax: +46-8 449 22 40 S-117 43 Stockholm mailto:olof.backing@netinsight.se Sweden http://www.netinsight.se From pb@nexus.co.uk Wed Nov 5 13:53:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from globe (nexusel.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.195]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA09995 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:53:50 GMT Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xT5rI-0000Y4-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:51:00 +0000 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xT5r0-0007WH-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:50:42 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Olof Backing cc: Matthew Wilcox , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:37:48 +0100." <3.0.3.32.19971105143748.00926240@ernst> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:50:42 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO >Ahh, the group of 2.1-ers are growing... No, I have no objections since I'm >right in the middle of that. And with the GCC as well. Good. I'll start putting it into the CVS tree on vger as and when I have time. If you'd like the work you've done merged then feel free to send it to me. p. From pb@nexus.co.uk Wed Nov 5 13:53:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from globe (nexusel.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.195]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA09999 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:53:55 GMT Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xT5t1-0000YE-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:52:47 +0000 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xT5sj-0007Wq-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:52:29 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:15:07 GMT." <199711051315.NAA09787@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:52:29 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO In message <199711051315.NAA09787@odie.barnet.ac.uk>, Matthew Wilcox writes: >> I'm also about to start looking at merging some of the kernel source with >> 2.1 unless anybody has a major objection to that. > >I'd suggest that integrating the ADFS filesystem might be the least-hard >thing to do, and it'd offer benefits to those with ix86 peecees who also >use RISC OS since they'd be able to access their RISC OS floppies. That's a good plan. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 5 19:43:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12181 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:43:31 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 29762]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15893-11844>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:40:32 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972496-4489>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 03:37:03 -0500 Received: from danablue.vision.auc.dk ([130.225.49.152] EHLO danablue.vision.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 64053]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972488-4491>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 03:36:40 -0500 Received: from thorsen.vision.auc.dk by danablue.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5.970211.1) id JAA03094; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:39:23 +0100 (MET) Received: (bme@localhost) by thorsen.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5-970304) id IAA21835; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:39:22 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:39:22 GMT Message-Id: <199711050839.IAA21835@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> From: Bernhard Mogens Ege To: jdl@cableol.co.uk Subject: Problems with latest !linux and !LinConfig cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9711042221.AA00218@mars.cableol.net> References: <9711042221.AA00218@mars.cableol.net> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>>>> "John" == John Lagrue writes: > I have just retrieved the latest !linux and !LinConfig from the ARM > Linux ftp site. There seems to be a problem wth LinConfig in that when > I try to run it it errors with: > "You need Linux 3.20 or better" > and tells me to get it from the ARM Linux ftp site. > What's gone wrong? As far as I can tell there is an error in the !Run file for !LinConfig. It is checking for a system variable (the name I cannot remember but it should be obvious if you compare with the error message). I just commented out the check and the CDir line in that obey file and everything worked. It is NOT the fix, just a workaround. It will work if you previously had linux setup (I think it should fix !LinConfig of complaining when not being able to save its configuration files in Choices:ARMLinux (or whatever)). Bernhard -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bernhard Mogens Ege, M.Sc.E.E. | | E-mail: bme@vision.auc.dk Laboratory of Image Analysis | /( | Direct call: +45 96 35 87 85 Institute of Electronic Systems | ._//( | Switchboard: +45 96 35 80 80 Aalborg University | / | \ | Fax: +45 98 15 40 08 Frederik Bajersvej 7, D1-205 | A A U | Homepage: DK-9220 Aalborg East | | http://www.vision.auc.dk/~bme ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Home: H.C.Andersens Vej 26 st.mf., DK-9000 Aalborg, Phone: +45 20 42 99 26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Nov 5 23:01:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13330 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:01:58 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA29346; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:02:26 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Nov 97 23:00:05 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11670; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:58:14 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00523; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:17:29 GMT Message-Id: <199711052217.WAA00523@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: more kernel buglets To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:17:29 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199711050246.CAA06115@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Nov 5, 97 02:46:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > Twice, I've had an unending stream of messages: > `Wild Interrupt from backplane?' This is normally caused by a card causing an interrupt while none are supposed to be enabled. It sounds like someone's driver module isn't responding to the SERVICE_PRERESET module call. What expansion cards do you have installed? (Yes, it may be a case of removing each card that isn't directly supported to find the culprit... > And once while it was loading the root fs, I got > > `floppy 0: timeout handler died' Those appear to happen randomly, but are harmless I blame the floppy code, but it is something that needs to be looked into at some stage. BTW, the solution to the missing kernel is actually on the FAQ. ;) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 5 23:31:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13559 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:31:31 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 4100]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18379-11844>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:26:11 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972534-4489>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 05:22:17 -0500 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195] HELO globe ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1083]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972525-4489>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 05:21:16 -0500 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xT2Lk-0000D7-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:06:12 +0000 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xT2LS-0006Zp-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:05:54 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:46:34 GMT." <199711041646.QAA02006@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:05:54 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >unwilling to integrate a non-ELF based distribution, but as you can see >from the message below, Debian don't see a.out as a problem. Is anyone That's true. I had a brief discussion with Bruce about this sometime last year. The idea foundered for lack of time on my part but other than that nobody seemed to object. I'm also about to start looking at merging some of the kernel source with 2.1 unless anybody has a major objection to that. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 5 23:53:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13745 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:53:01 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 51476]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11528-11844>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:04:10 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972535-4491>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:00:44 -0500 Received: from zaz.kom.auc.dk ([130.225.51.10] HELO zaz.kom.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 34843]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972534-4491>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:00:29 -0500 Received: from wartburg.kom.auc.dk [130.225.51.19] (janm) by zaz.kom.auc.dk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xT3Ez-0007lD-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: <34605275.B96963B1@kom.auc.dk> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 12:03:17 +0100 From: Jan Magnussen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Wilcox CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: EtherH freeze References: <199711042223.WAA04236@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > I have an EtherLan 500 card (EtherH). When the installer tries to autoprobe > the EtherH module, my machine stiffs. I'd pass parameters to it... if I > had the faintest idea what parameters it's looking for ;-) > > The installation continues - I also own an Ether3 card, and I'm busily > ftp-installing from a friend's PC. I have an I-cubed EtherLan 500 card too, and whenever I try to load the etherh.o module the computer freezes up totally. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.kom.auc.dk/~janm Fidonet 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 5 23:54:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13749 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:54:17 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35866]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11562-11844>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:21:43 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972540-4489>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:17:50 -0500 Received: from zaz.kom.auc.dk ([130.225.51.10] HELO zaz.kom.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 35592]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972535-4489>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:17:34 -0500 Received: from wartburg.kom.auc.dk [130.225.51.19] (janm) by zaz.kom.auc.dk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xT3VZ-0000IZ-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:20:25 +0100 Message-ID: <34605678.4FB72FDF@kom.auc.dk> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 12:20:24 +0100 From: Jan Magnussen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ARMLinux mailing-list Subject: New kernel works, but.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi I tried the new kernel with my ICS IDEFS, and it works :-)) I have a MSDOS formatted harddisk attached to the card, but ARMLinux cannot read the harddisk. It has been formatted in a PC running RedHat Linux 4.2. If I reformat the harddisk under linux I can use the harddisk under linux, but then I cannot use it under RISC OS or DOS or PC-linux. If I try to access the hd under RISC OS I get a 'Bad defect-list'. I worked fine before I reformatted the hd. Is there a way to get the msdos format to work under both RO and Linux at the same time? Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.kom.auc.dk/~janm Fidonet 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 6 02:55:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14856 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 02:55:51 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 58192]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20215-11844>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:39:38 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971455-4491>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:35:19 -0500 Received: from ernst.netinsight.se ([195.17.50.130] HELO ernst.netinsight.se ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4384]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971462-4491>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:35:02 -0500 Received: from wally (unverified [195.17.50.147]) by ernst.netinsight.se (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:33:49 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971105143748.00926240@ernst> X-Sender: obg@ernst X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:37:48 +0100 To: Philip Blundell , Matthew Wilcox From: Olof Backing Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO At 10:05 1997-11-05 +0000, Philip Blundell wrote: >>unwilling to integrate a non-ELF based distribution, but as you can see >>from the message below, Debian don't see a.out as a problem. Is anyone > >That's true. I had a brief discussion with Bruce about this sometime last >year. The idea foundered for lack of time on my part but other than that >nobody seemed to object. > >I'm also about to start looking at merging some of the kernel source with 2.1 >unless anybody has a major objection to that. Ahh, the group of 2.1-ers are growing... No, I have no objections since I'm right in the middle of that. And with the GCC as well. /Olof Olof Backing Net Insight AB Phone: +46-8 449 22 36 Ingenjörsvägen 3, 2tr Fax: +46-8 449 22 40 S-117 43 Stockholm mailto:olof.backing@netinsight.se Sweden http://www.netinsight.se From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 6 03:10:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA14864 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 03:10:10 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 64856]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20059-11844>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:56:50 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972561-4489>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:53:01 -0500 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195] HELO globe ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1535]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972559-4491>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:51:38 -0500 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xT5rI-0000Y4-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:51:00 +0000 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xT5r0-0007WH-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:50:42 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Olof Backing cc: Matthew Wilcox , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:37:48 +0100." <3.0.3.32.19971105143748.00926240@ernst> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:50:42 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Ahh, the group of 2.1-ers are growing... No, I have no objections since I'm >right in the middle of that. And with the GCC as well. Good. I'll start putting it into the CVS tree on vger as and when I have time. If you'd like the work you've done merged then feel free to send it to me. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 6 17:19:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA20253 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:19:32 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36432]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20403-31887>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:06:01 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972647-4489>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:02:11 -0500 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 47898]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971253-4489>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:01:36 -0500 Received: from crok.demon.co.uk ([158.152.158.252]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1018720; 5 Nov 97 19:24 GMT From: Stephen Crocker To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: I can't even create a partition! Reply-To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:18:09 +0100 Message-ID: <19971105.191809.85@crok.demon.co.uk> Organization: Crokk X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I am almost in the process of trying to install ARMLinux (I don't think I've got far enough yet) but I can't create a Linux partition on my SCSI HD! I am using a Cumana SCSI2 card on a SARPC. I have been unable to use PartMan to partition the drive and I don't have a way of generating partition files. If anyone can suggest a way of overcoming this, please respond! Is the Cumana SCSI2 card incompatible? It can't be anything else. If the problem is insoluble, I'll just have to use RiscBSD. I actually installed part of that (albeit on a PD cartridge- ARGH!) so I know it works! -- x^ ( ) _________ // Email: mailto:crok@crok.demon.co.uk < U O |_|_|_|_|_| O || WWW: http://www.crok.demon.co.uk \, |/|\ _________ [ ] Piloting Megara Ship #2 . |/^\ . 2 . /__\ ... File not found. I'll load something *I* think is interesting. From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Thu Nov 6 18:19:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20646 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:19:37 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id SAA18268 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:20:23 GMT Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Nov 97 18:18:03 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11748 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:03:56 GMT From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA00702 for willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:03:54 GMT Message-Id: <199711052303.XAA00702@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: kernel patches To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:03:54 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199711051908.TAA11813@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Nov 5, 97 07:08:25 pm X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe Reply-To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > I know you're fantastically busy &c, but any chance of uploading patches > against the released 2.0.31 instead of 2.0.31pre9? Once I have the original patches for 2.0.31 ;) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Thu Nov 6 20:30:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21618 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:30:25 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id UAA01147; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:31:12 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:28:54 GMT Received: from tanis.armlinux.org (tanis [192.168.0.1]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12527; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:13:37 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tanis.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00226; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:13:26 GMT Message-Id: <199711062013.UAA00226@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: EtherH freeze To: janm@kom.auc.dk (Jan Magnussen) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:13:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <34605275.B96963B1@kom.auc.dk> from "Jan Magnussen" at Nov 5, 97 12:03:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Jan Magnussen writes: > Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > I have an EtherLan 500 card (EtherH). When the installer tries to autoprobe > > the EtherH module, my machine stiffs. I'd pass parameters to it... if I > > had the faintest idea what parameters it's looking for ;-) > > I have an I-cubed EtherLan 500 card too, and whenever I try to load the > etherh.o module the computer freezes up totally. I think that I've found the problem for that - the driver didn't realise that some of the registers were different on an 500 card from a 600 card. I'll be releasing a new kernel for RPC and root disk that should fix this problem. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 6 21:25:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22038 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:25:08 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 21601]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16269-31887>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:04:03 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971667-4489>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:00:12 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 44180]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971404-4491>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:59:41 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA29346; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:02:26 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Nov 97 23:00:05 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11670; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:58:14 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00523; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:17:29 GMT Message-Id: <199711052217.WAA00523@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: more kernel buglets To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:17:29 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199711050246.CAA06115@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Nov 5, 97 02:46:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > Twice, I've had an unending stream of messages: > `Wild Interrupt from backplane?' This is normally caused by a card causing an interrupt while none are supposed to be enabled. It sounds like someone's driver module isn't responding to the SERVICE_PRERESET module call. What expansion cards do you have installed? (Yes, it may be a case of removing each card that isn't directly supported to find the culprit... > And once while it was loading the root fs, I got > > `floppy 0: timeout handler died' Those appear to happen randomly, but are harmless I blame the floppy code, but it is something that needs to be looked into at some stage. BTW, the solution to the missing kernel is actually on the FAQ. ;) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 7 12:49:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27633 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:48:58 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 31322]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4774-31887>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:31:11 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972999-4491>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:13:57 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1125]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972994-4491>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:13:42 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA19007 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:15:52 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711061415.OAA19007@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: /usr/bin/mkimage To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:15:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've never compiled stuff with libc4 before, so some of this is deduction, but.. I downloaded e2fsutils-1.10 to replace the 1.04 that comes with the system. I configured it with --enable-dllshlibs. Is this correct? The alternatives are elfshlibs (obviously a bad idea) and noshlibs (which is a bit of a cop- out). During the make, while trying to link libet (I think), it tries to execute /usr/bin/mkimage which does not exist on my system. Have I simply failed to install it? If so, which RPM is it in? I installed the binutils & gcc & development packages (else I wouldn't've got this far) Or is it not available in an RPM, in which case where do I get it from? From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 7 16:44:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29214 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:43:58 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 15953]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15872-31887>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:56:49 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971498-4491>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:52:41 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1784]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971516-4491>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:52:26 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA20453; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:54:48 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711061754.RAA20453@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: I can't even create a partition! To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:54:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <19971105.191809.85@crok.demon.co.uk> from "Stephen Crocker" at Nov 5, 97 07:18:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I am almost in the process of trying to install ARMLinux (I don't > think I've got far enough yet) but I can't create a Linux partition on > my SCSI HD! I am using a Cumana SCSI2 card on a SARPC. I have been > unable to use PartMan to partition the drive and I don't have a way of > generating partition files. In what way does PartMan go wrong? You /did/ remember to reformat your hard disc with fewer cylinders, didn't you? From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 20:32:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA30559 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:32:25 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id UAA00200 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:33:25 GMT Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex7) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Nov 97 20:31:07 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13731 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:33:03 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00406 for willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:32:50 GMT Message-Id: <199711072032.UAA00406@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: /usr/bin/mkimage To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:32:50 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199711061415.OAA19007@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Nov 6, 97 02:15:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > I've never compiled stuff with libc4 before, so some of this is deduction, > but.. > > I downloaded e2fsutils-1.10 to replace the 1.04 that comes with the system. > I configured it with --enable-dllshlibs. Is this correct? The alternatives > are elfshlibs (obviously a bad idea) and noshlibs (which is a bit of a cop- > out). During the make, while trying to link libet (I think), it tries to > execute /usr/bin/mkimage which does not exist on my system. Well, when I compiled it, I used the cop-out method (a.out library space is fixed, and the available slots were getting low on 26-bit machines). When we go ELF, then it should be possible to use shared libs for everything like this. [I wish we could go ELF now actually]. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 7 21:22:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA30954 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:22:40 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 17982]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10466-31887>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:35:10 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973046-4491>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:31:19 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 63417]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971334-4491>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:31:04 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id UAA01135 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:31:05 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:28:47 GMT Received: from tanis.armlinux.org (tanis [192.168.0.1]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12576 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:30:33 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tanis.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00251 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:30:21 GMT Message-Id: <199711062030.UAA00251@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Control... To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:30:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO It should be very nice if people could check before starting to work on some area of this project. It helps if everyone does not start doing the same activity at the same time, and also would help to get the areas that DO need to be worked on done. This is logical isn't it? My questions are: 1) Do we have an ELF binutils or don't we? 2) Do we have a 2.1 kernel source tree or don't we? 3) Do we have ELF GCC or don't we? 4) Are there any RedHat packages that have been compiled up or aren't there? It seems to me although you lot are all so happy to take my work but what am I getting in return? Nothing. Hint: You don't get something for nothing. Come on now, let's try to make this project work both ways. Another hint: Parent pressure is urging me not to do anything else on this project. It seems although that is absolutely correct... Everyone who uses ARM Linux owes me a lot - I have spent 3 years full work on this project and I have asked little in return. For instance, there is little point in integrating ARM with the 2.1 kernel without first being able to build it to find out if it works. Also, please note that the source patches on the FTP site are now not the whole story - if you start to integrate them then that will be a waste of time. You'll have to re-integrate them again when various patches come in from several commercial or otherwise sources which are working on the 2.0.31 tree. All that I ask now is that you communicate and let people KNOW what is going on. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 7 21:26:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA30962 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:26:10 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 48976]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11163-31887>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:00:36 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971719-4491>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:56:29 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 37653]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971714-4491>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:56:14 -0500 Received: from crok.demon.co.uk ([158.152.158.252]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2009754; 6 Nov 97 20:37 GMT To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Stephen Crocker Subject: Re: I can't even create a partition! Reply-To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk References: <199711061754.RAA20453@odie.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <199711061754.RAA20453@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:35:28 +0100 Message-ID: <19971106.203528.67@crok.demon.co.uk> Organization: Crokk X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <199711061754.RAA20453@odie.barnet.ac.uk> you wrote: > > I am almost in the process of trying to install ARMLinux (I don't > > think I've got far enough yet) but I can't create a Linux partition on > > my SCSI HD! I am using a Cumana SCSI2 card on a SARPC. I have been > > unable to use PartMan to partition the drive and I don't have a way of > > generating partition files. > > In what way does PartMan go wrong? It says tat there is Filecore partition, but won't change it. If I remove the filecore partition, there isn't a disc there any more! > You /did/ remember to reformat your hard disc with fewer cylinders, didn't > you? How? -- x^ ( ) _________ // Email: mailto:crok@crok.demon.co.uk < U O |_|_|_|_|_| O || WWW: http://www.crok.demon.co.uk \, |/|\ _________ [ ] Piloting Megara Ship #2 . |/^\ . 2 . /__\ ... If you know, you're a genius. If you answer, you're awesome. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 7 21:43:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA31145 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:43:36 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12648]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10258-31887>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:32:56 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973062-4491>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:28:44 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 65206]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973068-4489>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:28:10 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id UAA01147; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:31:12 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:28:54 GMT Received: from tanis.armlinux.org (tanis [192.168.0.1]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12527; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:13:37 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tanis.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00226; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:13:26 GMT Message-Id: <199711062013.UAA00226@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: EtherH freeze To: janm@kom.auc.dk (Jan Magnussen) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:13:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <34605275.B96963B1@kom.auc.dk> from "Jan Magnussen" at Nov 5, 97 12:03:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Jan Magnussen writes: > Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > I have an EtherLan 500 card (EtherH). When the installer tries to autoprobe > > the EtherH module, my machine stiffs. I'd pass parameters to it... if I > > had the faintest idea what parameters it's looking for ;-) > > I have an I-cubed EtherLan 500 card too, and whenever I try to load the > etherh.o module the computer freezes up totally. I think that I've found the problem for that - the driver didn't realise that some of the registers were different on an 500 card from a 600 card. I'll be releasing a new kernel for RPC and root disk that should fix this problem. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 7 21:50:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA31148 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:44:46 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12648]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18046-31887>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:33:02 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973066-4489>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:28:43 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 65206]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973067-4489>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:28:10 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id UAA01143; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:31:08 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:28:51 GMT Received: from tanis.armlinux.org (tanis [192.168.0.1]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12521; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:11:50 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tanis.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00219; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:11:38 GMT Message-Id: <199711062011.UAA00219@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Nov 5, 97 10:05:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > I'm also about to start looking at merging some of the kernel source with 2.1 > unless anybody has a major objection to that. Only that I have the 2.1.16 source tree with ARM extensions already in it, but nothing to compile it up with yet... (Hint Phil). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 7 22:10:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA31179 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:10:30 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 62980]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10643-31887>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:07:07 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970804-28591>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:01:27 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 33401]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970800-28588>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:00:07 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA08255 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:03:18 GMT Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Nov 97 22:01:00 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12846 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:56:33 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00624 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:56:16 GMT Message-Id: <199711062156.VAA00624@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: New 2.0.31 kernel, root disk and new loader To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:56:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all! I have just uploaded a new kernel to fix the following problems: 1) EtherLan 500 driver not functional. 2) ICS partitions not correctly recognised. The root disk contains updated modules for this kernel. The new boot loader (3.20b) fixes the complaint that !LinConfig has about !Linux's version. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 7 23:14:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA31727 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:14:35 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 40488]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11679-31887>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:56:16 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971546-28588>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:51:44 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 35095]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971948-28588>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:48:15 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA08278; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:03:29 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Nov 97 22:01:12 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12727; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:15:18 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00448; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:15:03 GMT Message-Id: <199711062115.VAA00448@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:15:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Nov 5, 97 01:50:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > >Ahh, the group of 2.1-ers are growing... No, I have no objections since I'm > >right in the middle of that. And with the GCC as well. > > Good. I'll start putting it into the CVS tree on vger as and when I have > time. If you'd like the work you've done merged then feel free to send it to > me. Is one reply good enough to qualify starting??? Does a one person reply really consitute a survey of the list??? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 8 06:55:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA01549 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:55:31 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 44583]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16056-31887>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:04:33 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973136-28591>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 04:00:13 -0500 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195] HELO globe ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2031]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973134-28588>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:59:58 -0500 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xTkHq-0002Af-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:01:06 +0000 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xTkHS-0003Sq-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:00:42 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:11:36 GMT." <199711062011.UAA00219@tanis.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:00:42 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Only that I have the 2.1.16 source tree with ARM extensions already in it, Is that a typo? p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 8 07:27:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01711 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 07:27:05 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 26192]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16246-31887>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:43:25 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973152-28591>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:39:22 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 32696]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973146-28588>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:39:07 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (KAA06863); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:39:51 GMT Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:39:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: Stephen Crocker cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: I can't even create a partition! In-Reply-To: <19971105.191809.85@crok.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Stephen Crocker wrote: > I am almost in the process of trying to install ARMLinux (I don't think I've got > far enough yet) but I can't create a Linux partition on my SCSI HD! I am using > a Cumana SCSI2 card on a SARPC. I have been unable to use PartMan to partition > the drive and I don't have a way of generating partition files. I've had the same problem with different sized IDE discs. Try using different version of PartMan (there are loads of them on the ftp site AFAICR). Bizarre as it is, different ones seem to work with different drives. > If anyone can suggest a way of overcoming this, please respond! Is the Cumana > SCSI2 card incompatible? It can't be anything else. > > If the problem is insoluble, I'll just have to use RiscBSD. I actually > installed part of that (albeit on a PD cartridge- ARGH!) so I know it works! No! Don't do it! You'll never forgive yourself! ;-) Hope this is helpful, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 8 07:46:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01887 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 07:46:19 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 45925]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18211-31887>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:45:52 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971256-28588>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:41:23 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 54394]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971272-28588>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:41:07 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z14) with SMTP id MAA09971 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:44:31 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA18796; Fri, 7 Nov 97 12:44:14 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9711071144.AA18796@ikki> Subject: Probs with X To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:44:13 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi ! I just got managed to install Linux! Great ! At first : Thanks to Russell for his hints, but I made a complete new installation from the Clan CD. But now : oN typing xinit I get the error message that X doesn't find the font 'fixed'. It tells me the pathes where the fonts should be but some dircectories are missing, like 'Speedo' and other. Where are they? Another Q: The RH RPM database can be able to connect a RPM file to a package but with some query for this connection there seems to be no file connected with any package. So the dependencies won't work. Thanx in advance, Tom From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 8 07:46:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01891 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 07:46:57 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 45925]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10417-31887>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:46:20 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971256-28591>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:42:20 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 54403]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971262-28591>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:42:03 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z14) with SMTP id MAA09978 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:45:33 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA18817; Fri, 7 Nov 97 12:45:16 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9711071145.AA18817@ikki> Subject: Forgotten : Another Q To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:45:14 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Again : Hi! As I'm a newbie to Linux : How do I create users? Regards, Tom From crok@crok.demon.co.uk Sat Nov 8 08:25:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA02047 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 08:25:41 GMT Received: from crok.demon.co.uk ([158.152.158.252]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2011856; 8 Nov 97 8:17 GMT To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Stephen Crocker Subject: Re: I can't even create a partition! Reply-To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk References: <199711080256.CAA00235@odie.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <199711080256.CAA00235@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 08:15:29 +0100 Message-ID: <19971108.081529.42@crok.demon.co.uk> Organization: Crokk X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Status: RO In message <199711080256.CAA00235@odie.barnet.ac.uk> you wrote: > > > > In message <199711061754.RAA20453@odie.barnet.ac.uk> you wrote: > > > In what way does PartMan go wrong? > > > > It says tat there is Filecore partition, but won't change it. If I remove the > > filecore partition, there isn't a disc there any more! > > umm. What exactly do you think PartMan actually does? It SHOULD allow me to change the partitions on my HD. > > > You /did/ remember to reformat your hard disc with fewer cylinders, didn't > > > you? > > > > How? > > With Hform. Just like with RiscBSD. You have got the INSTALL instructions, > haven't you? HForm doesn't WORK with SCSI! -- x^ ( ) _________ // Email: mailto:crok@crok.demon.co.uk < U O |_|_|_|_|_| O || WWW: http://www.crok.demon.co.uk \, |/|\ _________ [ ] Piloting Megara Ship #2 . |/^\ . 2 . /__\ ... Our Standard: Exellence; Our Goal: Perfection; Reality: Murphy. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 8 10:11:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02539 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:11:29 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 25134]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12600-31887>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 04:59:09 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973320-28591>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:54:51 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1260]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973319-28591>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:54:34 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA00235; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:56:54 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711080256.CAA00235@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: I can't even create a partition! To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:56:53 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <19971106.203528.67@crok.demon.co.uk> from "Stephen Crocker" at Nov 6, 97 08:35:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > In message <199711061754.RAA20453@odie.barnet.ac.uk> you wrote: > > In what way does PartMan go wrong? > > It says tat there is Filecore partition, but won't change it. If I remove the > filecore partition, there isn't a disc there any more! umm. What exactly do you think PartMan actually does? > > You /did/ remember to reformat your hard disc with fewer cylinders, didn't > > you? > > How? With Hform. Just like with RiscBSD. You have got the INSTALL instructions, haven't you? From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 8 15:46:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04681 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:46:29 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 57640]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15490-31887>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:46:32 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973451-28591>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:41:49 -0500 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4191]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973463-28591>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:41:18 -0500 Received: from cordelia-82.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA31199; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:44:53 GMT Message-Id: <9711081544.AA31199@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 15:44:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Pluto 0.33d for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: Re: New 2.0.31 kernel, root disk and new loader Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Hi all! > I have just uploaded a new kernel to fix the following problems: Got it. > 1) EtherLan 500 driver not functional. > 2) ICS partitions not correctly recognised. Yes, it does now recognise the hdd1, hdd2 and hdd3 partitions on the disc. I can do this: mknod /dev/hdd1 b 22 65 mke2fs /dev/hdd1 and it creates a 500Mb Ext2 filesystem. However, it also removes the IDEFS partioning information and the other 2 RiscOS partitions disappear :-( Would it be better for me to try it on the last partition on the disc rather than the first? I'll try that later and let you know. If working toward the end of the disc rather than the first works without removing the RiscOS partitioning information, would it be best to use IDEFormat to create all the partitions that I want to use and then use mke2fs to write the correct filesystems onto them? > The root disk contains updated modules for this kernel. > The new boot loader (3.20b) fixes the complaint that !LinConfig has > about !Linux's version. Hmmmm. Not on my machine it doesn't. Sorry. JDL -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 8 15:51:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04698 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:51:10 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 57646]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15898-31887>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:50:49 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973463-28591>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:46:15 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2036]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973464-28588>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:46:06 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA04689; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:48:37 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711081548.PAA04689@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: I can't even create a partition! To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:48:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <19971108.081529.42@crok.demon.co.uk> from "Stephen Crocker" at Nov 8, 97 08:15:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > umm. What exactly do you think PartMan actually does? > > It SHOULD allow me to change the partitions on my HD. Incorrect. It manages the non-filecore partitions on your HD. > > > > You /did/ remember to reformat your hard disc with fewer cylinders, didn't > > > > you? > > > > > > How? > > > > With Hform. Just like with RiscBSD. You have got the INSTALL instructions, > > haven't you? > > HForm doesn't WORK with SCSI! Then the moral equivalent suitable for your SCSI controller. It's probably called SCSIForm, or similar. From webmaster@etoncomp.demon.co.uk Sat Nov 8 17:50:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA05779 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:50:46 GMT Received: from etoncomp.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.160]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2026075; 8 Nov 97 17:35 GMT Received: from etoncomp.demon.co.uk ([192.168.2.2]) by etoncomp.demon.co.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA313; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:10:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:10:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Webmaster To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: I can't even create... In-Reply-To: <199711081548.PAA04689@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: garanj@ntserver.eton.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO > > > With Hform. Just like with RiscBSD. You have got the INSTALL instructions, > > > haven't you? > > > > HForm doesn't WORK with SCSI! > > Then the moral equivalent suitable for your SCSI controller. It's probably > called SCSIForm, or similar. What is it I need for an Acorn SCSI card? bye bye. Garan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 9 02:36:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09056 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:35:19 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 31290]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13184-1632>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 04:35:33 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973594-28588>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:30:39 -0500 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1429]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973599-28591>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:29:12 -0500 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id CAA26844; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:32:36 GMT From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199711090232.CAA26844@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux Admin) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Cc: pb@nexus.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199711062115.VAA00448@raistlin.armlinux.org> from "Russell King - ARM Linux Admin" at Nov 6, 97 09:15:03 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > Good. I'll start putting it into the CVS tree on vger as and when I have > > time. If you'd like the work you've done merged then feel free to send it to > > me. > > Is one reply good enough to qualify starting??? Does a one person reply really > consitute a survey of the list??? Merging the ARM tree with the 2.1.x CVS tree is the right thing to do either way. Russell - if you want cvs access to the 2.1.x tree to do it then I'll do the introductions Phil - don't start merging arm stuff without talking to DaveM or he'll chew your head off From alan@snowcrash.cymru.net Sun Nov 9 17:43:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14402 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 17:43:04 GMT Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id RAA04831; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 17:44:25 GMT From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199711091744.RAA04831@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 17:44:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199711041646.QAA02006@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Nov 4, 97 04:46:34 pm Content-Type: text Status: RO > get integrated with one of the big Linux distributors. Red Hat are > unwilling to integrate a non-ELF based distribution, but as you can see > from the message below, Debian don't see a.out as a problem. Is anyone It will very likely become one. A lot of stuff including glibc 2 isnt going to work terribly well withoyt ELF, so you might as well bite the bullet and go ELF (whatever distribution you build). That means Phil and the others working on binutils/gcc/gdb need to do the relevant magic Its probably also best if the main point for distribution and 2.1.x kernel merging isnt someone on a dialup. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 9 18:11:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14471 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:10:51 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 13880]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1669-1632>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:11:18 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973689-28588>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:06:15 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1156]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972235-28588>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:05:59 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA14454 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:08:45 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711091808.SAA14454@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: e2fsprogs To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:08:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've successfully recompiled e2fsprogs, version 1.10. It doesn't quite compile out of the box, you need to change some definitions of chars to ints. I've created a patch for this and submitted it back to Theodore T'so, if anyone else wants to try out this patch, I'll make it available from ftp.barnet.ac.uk:/pub/Acorn/armlinux. There's still some problems with looking up error messages, but Russell's originals also have this problem. I'll look at it sometime, does anyone have a gdb set? I can't see one on ftp.arm.uk.linux.org, though there is an xxgdb set (I don't have X installed. No HD space yet) From dickon-ml@fluff.org Sun Nov 9 18:16:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from post.eng.demon.net (post-2.eng.demon.net [194.217.242.23]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA14636 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:16:35 GMT Received: from ashdev.demon.co.uk [194.222.251.177] by post.eng.demon.net with smtp id 0xUbvq-0001aM-00; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:17:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:15:10 +0000 From: Dickon Hood To: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: I can't even create a partition! Message-ID: <588270e647%dickon-ml@splodge.fluff.org> In-Reply-To: <199711081548.PAA04689@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Organization: The Fluff Disorganisation X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS Sender: dickon-ml@splodge.fluff.org X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f Status: RO In message <199711081548.PAA04689@odie.barnet.ac.uk> you wrote: : > > > > You /did/ remember to reformat your hard disc with fewer cylinders, : > > > > didn't you? : > > > How? : > > With Hform. Just like with RiscBSD. You have got the INSTALL : > > instructions, haven't you? : > HForm doesn't WORK with SCSI! : Then the moral equivalent suitable for your SCSI controller. It's probably : called SCSIForm, or similar. Anyway, it *can* be made to work; often a simple search and replace in Zap for 'ADFS' replace with 'SCSI' or 'SCSIFS' depending upon your card, usually does the trick IME. Don't do this if you're at all faint hearted ;-) -- Dickon Hood I've now managed to find my .signature file, normal service will be resumed when Connex South Central get their act together. We apologise for the inconvenience in the mean time. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 9 18:24:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14651 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:24:57 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 17984]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1791-1632>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:25:20 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973689-28591>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:20:30 -0500 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1027]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973692-28588>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:20:15 -0500 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xUCxu-0001dS-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:38:26 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: I can't even create a partition! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Nov 1997 08:15:29 +0100." <19971108.081529.42@crok.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 15:38:26 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> With Hform. Just like with RiscBSD. You have got the INSTALL instructions, >> haven't you? > >HForm doesn't WORK with SCSI! How about scsidm? p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 9 18:31:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14678 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:31:04 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 23105]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4140-1632>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:31:04 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973695-28588>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:26:00 -0500 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1054]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973692-28588>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:25:44 -0500 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xUd0C-0000GZ-00; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:26:32 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Alan Cox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Nov 1997 02:32:31 GMT." <199711090232.CAA26844@snowcrash.cymru.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:26:31 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Phil - don't start merging arm stuff without talking to DaveM or he'll chew >your head off Dave and I already spoke about it (a few weeks ago), and he's happy. p. From Philip.Blundell@pobox.com Sun Nov 9 18:31:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org (exim@tazenda.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.239]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA14682 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:31:35 GMT Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xUd4r-0000HO-00; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:31:21 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Alan Cox cc: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM debian distribution (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:44:22 GMT." <199711091744.RAA04831@snowcrash.cymru.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:31:21 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO >It will very likely become one. A lot of stuff including glibc 2 isnt going >to work terribly well withoyt ELF, so you might as well bite the bullet >and go ELF (whatever distribution you build). That means Phil and the >others working on binutils/gcc/gdb need to do the relevant magic Yes. I need to talk to Olof and find out how he's getting on. Most of my GCC work at the moment has been on getting 2.8 debugged, particularly for ARM (linux and netbsd) rather than new features. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 9 21:43:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA16227 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:43:05 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 45877]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15452-1632>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:43:40 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973740-28588>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:38:48 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1034]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973739-28591>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:38:33 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA16070 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:41:28 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711092141.VAA16070@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: compiling caveat To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:41:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO You must have a copy of the linux kernel headers installed before you can compile anything non-trivial. I suspect you have to set up the symlinks yourself. And, of course, you have to configure it and `make dep'. Some distributions (eg Slackware) get around this by distributing kernel headers with libc and then overwriting them if you decide to install kernel source. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 10 22:08:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA26550 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:08:39 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 42764]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4658-5876>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:05:18 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974094-28588>; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:59:45 -0500 Received: from icis.i-way.co.uk ([194.129.192.2] HELO mailhub ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 10255]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974104-28588> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:58:55 -0500 Received: from wallace.gosford (146-dynamic-reading.i-way.co.uk [194.129.181.146]) by mailhub (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA09490 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:02:14 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971110220613.006a2110@popmail.i-way.co.uk> X-Sender: stevej@popmail.i-way.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:06:13 +0000 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Stephen Jones Subject: Demand for ARM Linux on CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO How much demand would there be for a version of ARMLinux on CD for, say, around £25 ? Stephen -- Stephen Jones 2 Elveden Close, Lower Earley, Reading, Berks, RG6 3AX Tel: +44 118 966 4129 Mobile: +44 958 259530 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 10 22:50:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA26943 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:50:37 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 62245]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4883-5876>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:49:37 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974112-28591>; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:43:52 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.vividimage.com ([207.110.16.1] EHLO gatekeeper.vividimage.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1908]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974102-28588>; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:41:25 -0500 Received: from carlsbadpo.vividimage.com (torrancepo.vividimage.com [207.110.16.3]) by gatekeeper.vividimage.com (8.8.7/seada1) with SMTP id OAA23613 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:45:39 -0800 Received: by carlsbadpo.vividimage.com with Microsoft Mail id <3467837C@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 97 13:58:20 PST From: Michael Short To: "'ARM Mailing list'" Subject: Sometimes It is better not to say things at all Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 14:37:00 PST Message-ID: <3467837C@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have been reading some of the recent posts, and I am upset at what I have been reading. I do not have a lot to contribute to this project. I am a horrible programmer, and my time is very limited.. I would like to say thank you to Russell King and all of the other persons who take time and contribute ideas and things to this project. I do not contribute to the project and I am therfore not going to speak up and request some special drivers, or compatability with something that doesn't work for me. I am just happy with what has been done on the project so far, and I am happy that there are people that have taken time to devote to this project. I really like using linux, and being able to use linux on my Risc PC is great. I have been recently been upset with remarks about how people are unhappy with how things are going, also complaints about some persons connection being slow, etc. etc.... I just feel that fighting and complaining may anger some individuals that are putting forth a ton of effort to the project. I would like to see the project continue and be successful. I just feel that there has been some chaos building, and I would hate for things to fall apart at this point.. Thank You for taking the time to read this.. -M Short From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 11 15:50:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00417 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:50:47 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 48440]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10635-5876>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:47:46 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974287-235>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:45:54 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1542]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974355-239>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:42:18 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA32306 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:55:08 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711111355.NAA32306@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: awk broken To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:55:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO The supplied awk has a bug related to the modulo operator (%). The specific case of this which is causing e2fsprogs to build incorrectly is 85571328 % 1000000 which returns -428672. It fails to work properly for a range of values that I've tried, as long as b is less than a (given a % b). I'll look into this tonight, probably. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 11 21:32:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02752 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:32:22 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 15161]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11604-5876>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:30:47 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974461-235>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:27:56 -0500 Received: from icis.i-way.co.uk ([194.129.192.2] HELO mailhub ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3951]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974493-235> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:23:42 -0500 Received: from wallace.gosford (146-dynamic-reading.i-way.co.uk [194.129.181.146]) by mailhub (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id VAA21026; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:10:52 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971111211347.006a2d3c@popmail.i-way.co.uk> X-Sender: stevej@popmail.i-way.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:13:47 +0000 To: Ben Dooks From: Stephen Jones Subject: Re: Demand for ARM Linux on CD Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199711110114.BAA16027@sgi14.york.ac.uk> References: <3.0.2.32.19971110220613.006a2110@popmail.i-way.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO At 01:14 11/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >> How much demand would there be for a version of ARMLinux on CD for, say, >> around £25 ? > >Erm, I'd prefer to pay less... In fact, I could get one blown here for >10ukp. > > You can burn them for a lot less than this. The 25 quid is what the RiscBSD team seem to be charging and if I was to convince my MD to do it as a service then he'd be looking for a return. If there is only a small demand, I can blow them in my spare time at home and the cost will be a lot less. However, the disadvantage of doing it this way is I can't guarantee turn around times as I can't guarantee when I'll have free time - at work, we'd set up an armlinux mirror and burn the CDs on demand - 1 or 2 days turn around max. If there is a big demand, I can get a thousand blown in one go, but somehow I doubt that there's THAT much demand! Stephen PS How much of this list gets lost by people just replying to messages and not cc:ing vger? -- Stephen Jones 2 Elveden Close, Lower Earley, Reading, Berks, RG6 3AX Tel: +44 118 966 4129 Mobile: +44 958 259530 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 12 12:18:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08020 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:18:37 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 65148]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4229-5876>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:17:50 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974592-235>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:15:47 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 48042]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971746-239> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:15:29 -0500 Received: from ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk ([158.152.81.3]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2014007; 12 Nov 97 11:49 GMT Received: from localhost (rsimpson@localhost) by ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/v3.2) with SMTP id LAA22173 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:49:00 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:48:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Simpson To: Arm Linux Mailing List Subject: Re: Demand for ARM Linux on CD In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971110220613.006a2110@popmail.i-way.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO As I mentioned in a post a few days ago, I am more than happy to burn CDs for people if I can get hold of the original image. If someone puts it on the FTP site (or indeed ANY FTP site) then I will download it. Alternatively, if someone gets it to me on practically any media at all (even 100 odd floppies!!!!) and supplies a suitable password then I will upload it to a suitable FTP site. In either case I will burn copies for people for 5 pounds (including postage and packing). Please don't look on this as a price war, I just want the maximum number of people to have access to the fruits of Russell's labours. Obviously, since I shall be doing this in my spare time I shall only be able to burn 3 or 4 each day, but if people supply an email address with their orders then I will email them to confirm receipt and tell them when it is being dispatched. Obviously I will not cash cheques until the CD is ready to go. I may well also add as many RedHat SRPMs as I can fit so that folks can try compiling other packages. Unfortunately, all of this public spirited effort relies on me getting access to a suitable image. I could try to build something from the current contents of the FTP site, but I understand that Russell has built a proper image (which presumably avoids all of the farting around with kernels at the end of the install procedure) and I suspect that folks would prefer to have that. Richard Simpson Farnborough, Hants, Uk Fax: 01252 392118 rsimpson@ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Stephen Jones wrote: > How much demand would there be for a version of ARMLinux on CD for, say, > around £25 ? > > Stephen > -- > Stephen Jones > 2 Elveden Close, Lower Earley, Reading, Berks, RG6 3AX > Tel: +44 118 966 4129 Mobile: +44 958 259530 > From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 12 12:31:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08024 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:31:10 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 37638]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9745-5876>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:29:09 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974620-239>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:27:16 -0500 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1919]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974633-239>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:26:26 -0500 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id MAA13882; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:23:07 GMT From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199711121223.MAA13882@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Demand for ARM Linux on CD To: rsimpson@ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk (Richard Simpson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:23:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Richard Simpson" at Nov 12, 97 11:48:59 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > In either case I will burn copies for people for 5 pounds (including > postage and packing). Please don't look on this as a price war, I just > want the maximum number of people to have access to the fruits of > Russell's labours. Obviously, since I shall be doing this in my spare Can I make a suggestion. Charge 10-15 so you can cover your own back or you'll get burned, and send the left over change to Russell as a gift. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 12 17:38:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10106 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:38:46 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 1369]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11477-5876>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:37:17 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974721-239>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:35:13 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 38432]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974736-235>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:33:00 -0500 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2027744; 12 Nov 97 17:16 GMT Message-ID: <3469DFB0.7EB7F7BF@treblig.org> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:56:16 +0000 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.62 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Cox CC: Richard Simpson , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Demand for ARM Linux on CD References: <199711121223.MAA13882@snowcrash.cymru.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Alan Cox wrote: > > Can I make a suggestion. Charge 10-15 so you can cover your own back or > you'll get burned, and send the left over change to Russell as a gift. > > Alan I'd be happy to spend 10-15 for a disc with all the source on - now that my nice fast net connection has gone :-) Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 12 22:25:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12212 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:25:15 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 15933]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11326-5876>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:01:00 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974694-239>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:58:57 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.vividimage.com ([207.110.16.1] EHLO gatekeeper.vividimage.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1366]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974766-235>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:56:28 -0500 Received: from carlsbadpo.vividimage.com (torrancepo.vividimage.com [207.110.16.3]) by gatekeeper.vividimage.com (8.8.7/seada1) with SMTP id LAA05656 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:56:49 -0800 Received: by carlsbadpo.vividimage.com with Microsoft Mail id <3469FEAF@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 97 11:08:31 PST From: Michael Short To: "'ARM Mailing list'" Subject: CD Distrib of Arm Linux Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 11:47:00 PST Message-ID: <3469FEAF@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I would be willing to download, create an image file and burn some CD's of the arm linux distrib. if you are interested plz email me.. the cost will be figured by this 1. cost of the media 2. 3 dollars for my time 3. 5 dolars as donation to the project (donations will be sent to russell.. he is the man!) 4. cost of shipping media cost me about 1-3 dollars US funds so expect to pay about 10 dollars US funds total, plus shipping.. shipping will be approx. 3 dollars if US, and 3.75 if out of the US.. so you probably will pay 13 dollars shiopped? would anyone be intersted in this idea? if so plz email me.. I can set up a web page etc.. to keep people informed on the status.. of things.. thank you. M Short mshort@vividimage.com From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 13 12:55:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17627 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:55:24 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12920]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11643-5876>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:57:49 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972360-235>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:55:52 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 11628]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974841-239>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:54:47 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (KAA17728); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:51:52 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:51:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Kernel compilation and patching Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I'm a bit of a newbie to patching kernels. I tried what I found in some file somewhere, which was the following: Downloaded the linux kernel source (2.0.31) from Linus' site Downloaded the latest armlinux patch Dearchived the linux kernel source to /usr/src/linux cd /usr/src cat /home/phil/kernel_source/patch_2_0_31 | patch This tried to create loads of files in /usr/src/ (when I tried patching as root it managed it, of course) called 'things.orig'. I assume these are the 'unpatched' old versions. However, when I tried to make the linux source, it said /arch/arm or something similar was missing, so I assume that it didn't recurse into directories properly. Is what I tried above correct, and if it's not, what am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance, Phil P.S. Anyone know where I can get some nicely written info on ext2fs and how it works, since I'd rather like to write something in RiscOS which reads my ext2fs partition. Otherwise I'll just read the kernel source to see how it works. -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 13 19:48:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20665 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:48:00 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 37382]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4579-5876>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:47:27 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <985693-514>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:42:43 -0500 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1226]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <978673-514>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:07:50 -0500 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id NAA08737; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:06:06 GMT From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199711131306.NAA08737@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Kernel compilation and patching To: P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk (Phil Norman) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:06:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Phil Norman" at Nov 13, 97 10:51:52 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > cd /usr/src > cat /home/phil/kernel_source/patch_2_0_31 | patch patch -p0 is the magic you want > P.S. Anyone know where I can get some nicely written info on ext2fs and > how it works, since I'd rather like to write something in RiscOS which > reads my ext2fs partition. Otherwise I'll just read the kernel source > to see how it works. Ted wrote a paper on it, and also libe2fs which is a library for working with ext2. There are a set of ext2fs working tool for MacOS and sort of now for SGI that are used by installers and give you "open/close/read/write" type functionality. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 13 20:11:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20689 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:11:44 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 29206]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4870-5876>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:11:27 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971447-514>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:07:48 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1608]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971230-522>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:00:22 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA17830; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:35:40 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711131335.NAA17830@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Kernel compilation and patching To: P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk (Phil Norman) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:35:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Phil Norman" at Nov 13, 97 10:51:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I'm a bit of a newbie to patching kernels. I tried what I found in some > file somewhere, which was the following: > > Downloaded the linux kernel source (2.0.31) from Linus' site > Downloaded the latest armlinux patch > Dearchived the linux kernel source to /usr/src/linux > cd /usr/src > cat /home/phil/kernel_source/patch_2_0_31 | patch You need patch -p1 (as it says in the documentation distributed in the kernel source). BTW, you can leave the patch compressed and use zcat to feed patch with. Much more efficient ;-) > However, when I tried to make the > linux source, it said /arch/arm or something similar was missing, so I > assume that it didn't recurse into directories properly. Did you `make config' first? BTW, I've not tried it myself, but I hear `make menuconfig' misses loads of options, so don't try that. > P.S. Anyone know where I can get some nicely written info on ext2fs and > how it works, since I'd rather like to write something in RiscOS which > reads my ext2fs partition. Otherwise I'll just read the kernel source > to see how it works. You can get a fair bit of documentation & other bits from ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/Mirrors/tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/ext2fs/ Don;t use the sunsite.unc mirror on doc, it's months out of date. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 14 14:58:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27706 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:58:42 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 24077]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9695-5876>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:58:12 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971527-522>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:48:56 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 27459]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971489-514>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:46:49 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (OAA07189); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:44:51 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:44:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: ext2fs support in RiscOS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I emailed a few days ago about writing an ext2fs filing system for RiscOS. I've recently been doing a little fiddling around with direct disc access and looking in PRMs about how FileCore does things, and have had a few problems with finding the armlinux partitions. The PRMs say that a second partition should have the following bytes set with certain values: &1fc format identifier and flags &1fd low byte of start cylinder &1fe high byte of start cylinder I've written a little BASIC program to read these and print out the disc address of the correct cylinder, but all three values are read out as zero. I've checked the value returned by ADFS_DiscOp,1 (which tells me how many bytes were not read) and this is zero, and all the other parameters seem to be right. I wondered if linux used some different method of storing its partition info, or maybe just tags its partition directly at the end of the FileCore one? Someone said that I'd have problems with all the characters unix can use and RiscOS can't. That's not a problem, since I won't be writing it as a filing system (or at least not initially). It'll just be a separate application which looks like the filer (the window redraw code is already written - I wrote it for another project which never came to fruition) but uses all the filing system things that unix does (ie / for directory separator etc). I doubt I'll be supporting anything other than FileCore, since I don't have access to anything else for testing, but I'll probably release the full source of the finished thing, so if anyone wishes to add anything else they can. I definately won't be supporting read-write. Files can be transferred from ADFS to linux easily enough using mount under linux, so there really isn't that much point in spending horrendous amounts of time getting everything to work both ways. Don't expect anything too soon, but hopefully a RiscOS-side ext2fs reader should be sorted within a few months or so. Depends how complex ext2fs is (probably very complex). If anyone has any code, suggestions or documentation that might be useful, please feel free to either email them to me or email me an ftp/http address if you're using a modem. I'm using a university account so large wodges of data aren't a problem. Thanks in advance for any help, Phil -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 14 19:20:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29399 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:20:01 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 2336]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16314-5876>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:16:37 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971574-522>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:14:24 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 60348]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971569-522>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:13:50 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z14) with SMTP id UAA09439 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:13:33 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA02088; Fri, 14 Nov 97 20:13:28 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9711141913.AA02088@ikki> Subject: Missing Headers To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:13:26 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I just tried to compile different things. In all cases there were missing header files. They were expected to be at /usr/include/linux ... (or so). I have an armtools tar on my disc (whereever it comes from). Its about 17M and seems to have some things. But it's really old (4/97). Does it help me in any way? Is there something to do but to unpack the tar? Thanx in advance, Tom From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 15 18:45:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05147 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:45:20 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 57132]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12028-3033>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:35:53 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971923-514>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:33:44 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 39629]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971920-514>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:32:23 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z14) with SMTP id TAA25181 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:29:45 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA03795; Sat, 15 Nov 97 19:29:38 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9711151829.AA03795@ikki> Subject: Qs To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:29:37 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I have some more questions to clarify things for me : - Where do I find the kernel sources (is linux-2.0.30.tar.gz( why 30 and not 31)?) - What for is the system map file? - I have a tar named armtools. Do I need it for anything? Or is it too old? Thanx in advance, Tom From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 15 21:23:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06187 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:23:02 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 20500]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16032-3033>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:24:02 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971944-522>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:21:49 -0500 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1660]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971940-522>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:21:18 -0500 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xWqRn-00026N-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:12:11 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: armo boot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:12:11 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi. I brought my old A5000 back from the office and had a go at getting Linux running on it. I had some trouble with the !Linux loader (about 95 times in 100 I get `invalid compressed format (err=N) -- system halted' type messages) and so I ended up writing my own trivial loader instead. Loading the kernel at &1800000 turned out to be a pain because RISC OS gets in the way, and I'm curious as to why this address was chosen in the first place. I rebuilt my kernel with ZTEXTADDR=0x10000 and things were a lot easier. I also had a quick bash with glibc, and the good news is that there are some signs of life there as well. `Hello world' seems to work, though I got a branch through zero when it exited. I haven't tried anything more challenging yet. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 16 00:27:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07436 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:27:19 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 20487]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4817-3033>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:26:13 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972000-522>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:24:13 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1444]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971994-522>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:23:55 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA07425; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:23:53 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711160023.AAA07425@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Qs To: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:23:52 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9711151829.AA03795@ikki> from "Thomas Marx" at Nov 15, 97 07:29:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I have some more questions to clarify things for me : > - Where do I find the kernel sources (is linux-2.0.30.tar.gz( why 30 and not 31)?) Linus releases the kernel sources to ftp.funet.fi and ftp.kernel.org. I find my nearest mirror of ftp.funet.fi, look in the directory pub/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/v2.0 and get the latest source tree. You can patch to the latest version by downloading patch files if you have an earlier version. > - What for is the system map file? Not 100% sure to be honest. I think it's the symbols-addresses map and you'd need it in order to report a kernel oops. > - I have a tar named armtools. Do I need it for anything? Or is it too old? No idea. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 16 02:13:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA08081 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:13:43 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 6723]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10185-3033>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:12:51 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972036-514>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:10:23 -0500 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2135]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972029-522>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:09:50 -0500 Received: from cordelia-77.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA00290; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:11:05 GMT Message-Id: <9711160211.AA00290@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: Russell King Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:08:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Pluto 0.35c for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: ARM Linux and IDEFS - latest news Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Russell; Well, I do seem to be getting somewhere :-) The latest kernel certainly picks up all the partitions on the IDEFS system. The partition check shows hdd1, hdd2, hdd3 and hdd4. When I mknod the devices I can mount an adfs partition and, after having created an ext2 partition on one of the IDEFS partitions further up the disc, I can mount that in the alternate shell on tty2 (ALT-F2). Having created a large Unix tar file (using Frank Lancaster's tar port) from the Clan CD X-file I can then copy the RPMs from the tar file on the adfs partition to the ext2 partition. However, at this point it all seems to break down. Going back into the RedHat Installer leaves me with only hdd and hdc as the discs that I can select for anything. It complains that I haven't created a swap partition - which of course I haven't because I don't know of any way of creating one until a new version of Partman appears. If I decide to ignore this and carry on anyhow, when I get to the point of finding the installation files it decides to go off and reboot the system. At which point the installation screen shows "Rebooting system", but nothing further happens. The shell is still working on ALT-F2, but nothing works from the installer. Any ideas? All help gratefully accepted :-) As an incentive, I must point out that my first aim when I finally get this system to run is to get the GIMP installed and running on it :-) JDL P.S. You seem to be quite correct about the behaviour of IDEFS with a non-filecore partition. I get a single disc access about once a second within RiscOS. -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 16 14:51:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12150 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:51:26 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 61191]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12632-3033>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:52:32 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972157-514>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:49:38 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1981]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972152-514>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:49:23 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA12145 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:49:32 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711161449.OAA12145@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: compiling kernel To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:49:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I applied Friday's patch, everything patched nicely, thanks Russell. make config, fine. make dep, fine. When I tried to make zImage, the first file I compiled coughed up an error from the assembler. The problem is that I've switched to binutils-2.8.1.0.15 which doesn't understand -msa110. I removed this from the GCC specs file and everything went fine. This is something Russell & Phil need to argue about, I think. So now I have a zImage in /usr/src/linux/arch/arm/boot/. I rename /vmlinuz as /vmlinuz.old and copy zImage to /vmlinuz. Reboot. But I still get the old kernel. Why? [On a peecee, I'd rerun lilo, but... ;-)] From Philip.Blundell@pobox.com Sun Nov 16 15:59:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org (exim@tazenda.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.239]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12510 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:59:26 GMT Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xWvFQ-0002Yr-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 03:19:44 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Qs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:23:52 GMT." <199711160023.AAA07425@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 03:19:44 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO >> - What for is the system map file? > >Not 100% sure to be honest. I think it's the symbols-addresses map and >you'd need it in order to report a kernel oops. That's pretty much it. It's just a sorted list of the symbols in the kernel. Without that information the numbers in oopses don't mean a lot. p. From Philip.Blundell@pobox.com Sun Nov 16 16:03:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org (exim@tazenda.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.239]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA12518 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:03:46 GMT Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xX86r-0000JB-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:03:45 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: compiling kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:49:30 GMT." <199711161449.OAA12145@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:03:45 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO >The problem is that I've switched to binutils-2.8.1.0.15 which doesn't >understand -msa110. I removed this from the GCC specs file and everything >went fine. This is something Russell & Phil need to argue about, I think. I hope that the gcc 2.8 snapshots have the right specs in them. I'm compiling with -mcpu=strongarm110 (though not for Linux) using that binutils and a new gcc and I don't have any problems. Get the snapshot at vger.rutgers.edu:/pub/gcc and see if it helps. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 16 16:04:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12522 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:04:54 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 8753]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1023-3033>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:05:13 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972161-514>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:03:02 -0500 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1054]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972171-522>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:02:46 -0500 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xX85V-0000Iu-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:02:21 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: armo boot In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:29:58 GMT." <199711160929.JAA00428@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:02:21 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >That was chosen because when we didn't have a compressed kernel, then the >kernel had to be loaded into it's final resting place. I see. I think changing it to a different address might also fix the `noises emitted during bootup' problem, which I suspect is related to smashing RISC OS's memory while bits of it are still active. >had it reported on several occasions. It appears that if you don't go into >the desktop, then you never see it. It happens for me regardless of whether I start the desktop. >What binary format is this using? a.out still. I haven't done any work on glibc for arm-elf yet. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 16 18:04:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13287 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:03:47 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 18554]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11902-3033>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:04:05 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972232-514>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:02:00 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 58886]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972230-522>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:01:52 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id SAA26121 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:03:33 GMT Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Nov 97 18:00:33 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29747 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:02:48 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id SAA04836 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:02:32 GMT Message-Id: <199711161802.SAA04836@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: New utils To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:02:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all! New RiscOS utilities are now on the FTP site, with added module checking for RiscOS2 machines... If you satisfy the module dependencies, then they should work on a RiscOS2 machine. Let me know how you get on. The new boot loader should work better with ARM2 and ARM3 based machines now as well - you shouldn't get the system halted messages on kernel boot now. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Sun Nov 16 18:04:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13291 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:04:37 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id SAA26250 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:05:57 GMT Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Nov 97 18:02:50 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29672; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:44:43 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA04777; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:44:28 GMT Message-Id: <199711161744.RAA04777@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: compiling kernel To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:44:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rugers.edu In-Reply-To: <199711161449.OAA12145@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Nov 16, 97 02:49:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > make config, fine. make dep, fine. When I tried to make zImage, > the first file I compiled coughed up an error from the assembler. > The problem is that I've switched to binutils-2.8.1.0.15 which doesn't > understand -msa110. I removed this from the GCC specs file and everything > went fine. This is something Russell & Phil need to argue about, I think. This is a patch that I made to the binutils after the StrongARM came out - basically to allow the half-word loading/storing for the EBSA110 board, which is absolutely necessary to be able to drive some of the hardware properly! > So now I have a zImage in /usr/src/linux/arch/arm/boot/. I rename /vmlinuz > as /vmlinuz.old and copy zImage to /vmlinuz. Reboot. But I still get the > old kernel. Why? [On a peecee, I'd rerun lilo, but... ;-)] You have to re-run loadmap, because the only sensible way to access the kernel given all the different formats that a partition can have is to use some sort of sector mappings. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 16 20:29:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14194 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:29:06 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 54102]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4275-3033>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:29:24 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972274-522>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:26:40 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 55332]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972268-522>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:26:10 -0500 Received: from crok.demon.co.uk ([158.152.158.252]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2008757; 16 Nov 97 20:11 GMT From: Stephen Crocker To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Partition files Reply-To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:07:41 +0100 Message-ID: <19971116.200741.80@crok.demon.co.uk> Organization: Crokk X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Where can I find a program to produce Linux partition files? (Assuming such a thing exists, and as files are supported, it seems likely!) -- x^ ( ) _________ // Email: mailto:crok@crok.demon.co.uk < U O |_|_|_|_|_| O || WWW: http://www.crok.demon.co.uk \, |/|\ _________ [ ] Piloting Megara Ship #2 . |/^\ . 2 . /__\ ... Tiger! Tiger! Burning bright. Who has set your tail alight? From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 16 22:30:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14924 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:30:04 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 50207]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16276-3033>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:29:50 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972304-514>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:27:09 -0500 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1601]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972306-514>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:26:35 -0500 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xXCFd-0000cz-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:29:05 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: 4MB Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:29:05 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi. What's the reason for enforcing a minimum limit of 4MB RAM? I'd quite like to be able to boot Linux on my 2MB A3000 and similar machines. Since the page size scales with the amount of RAM it probably wouldn't be quite as bad as one might think at first. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 16 22:40:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14943 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:40:30 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 10533]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11557-3033>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:40:32 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972306-522>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:38:04 -0500 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1725]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972309-514>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:37:36 -0500 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xXECi-0001UZ-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:34:12 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Partition files In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:07:41 +0100." <19971116.200741.80@crok.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:34:11 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Where can I find a program to produce Linux partition files? (Assuming such a >thing exists, and as files are supported, it seems likely!) I don't think you need to do anything special to create them - just make a file of whatever size, and away you go. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 16 23:38:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA15352 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:38:15 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 22088]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11524-3033>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:38:50 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972317-514>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:35:41 -0500 Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.13] HELO fm3.facility.pipex.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 46986]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971118-522>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:35:09 -0500 Received: from earth [158.152.208.192] by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) id 0xXDKs-0002hP-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:38:35 +0000 Message-ID: <346F7DBB.41C67EA6@causality.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:11:56 +0000 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited (London, UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; NetBSD 1.2G arm32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Lagrue CC: Russell King , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux and IDEFS - latest news References: <9711160211.AA00290@mars.cableol.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO John Lagrue wrote: > As an incentive, I must point out that my first aim when I finally get > this > system to run is to get the GIMP installed and running on it :-) You may want to look at soft-float before that, otherwise it might be too slow... N. -- Neil A. Carson Business development and marketing E-mail: neil@causality.com Causality Limited (London, UK) Web: http://www.causality.com. Office tel/fax: +44 (0)181 930 7408 Sent from a 233MHz StrongARM N|C! Mobile: +44 (0)370 593183 SA110+1100, 21285/PCI, ARM, RTOSs, NetBSD, 3D, Image Processing, NC OSs From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 17 21:31:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA23770 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:31:33 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 30324]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13026-3033>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:30:14 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972553-26283>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:53:09 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3455]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973026-26283>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:38:25 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:27:05 +0000 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Nov 97 18:23:21 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA30538; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:29:29 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA01633; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:29:13 GMT Message-Id: <199711162329.XAA01633@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: 4MB To: Philip.Blundell@pobox.com (Philip Blundell) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:29:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Nov 16, 97 09:29:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > What's the reason for enforcing a minimum limit of 4MB RAM? I'd quite like to > be able to boot Linux on my 2MB A3000 and similar machines. Since the page > size scales with the amount of RAM it probably wouldn't be quite as bad as one > might think at first. I used to support 2MB machines. However, since the kernel takes 1MB of memory minimum (directly after mounting the root fs with minimal config), it doesn't really leave a lot of memory free for any programs (and not enough for init, sh and swapon)... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 17 22:12:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24120 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:12:17 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 30324]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12256-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:07:47 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972550-26282>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:22:34 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3337]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973021-26283>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:38:06 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:24:25 +0000 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Nov 97 18:20:48 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA30551; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:34:59 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA01650; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:34:43 GMT Message-Id: <199711162334.XAA01650@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Partition files To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:34:42 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <19971116.200741.80@crok.demon.co.uk> from "Stephen Crocker" at Nov 16, 97 08:07:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Stephen Crocker writes: > Where can I find a program to produce Linux partition files? (Assuming such a > thing exists, and as files are supported, it seems likely!) The old bootable PC Emulator-like partition files for Linux are no longer supported since the 1.3.45 kernels due to incompatabilities in the way Linux block device drivers now operate. However, you can mount a PC Emulator DOS partition using the loopback device, and a program called losetup. Note however, that this will only work for non-root partitions. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 17 22:26:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24187 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:26:31 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 30324]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12245-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:24:48 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972643-26282>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:36:38 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 43486]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972553-26283>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:33:22 -0500 Received: from crok.demon.co.uk ([158.152.158.252]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2028642; 17 Nov 97 21:22 GMT To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Stephen Crocker Subject: Re: Partition files Reply-To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk References: <199711162334.XAA01650@raistlin.armlinux.org> In-Reply-To: <199711162334.XAA01650@raistlin.armlinux.org> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:21:31 +0100 Message-ID: <19971117.212131.63@crok.demon.co.uk> Organization: Crokk X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <199711162334.XAA01650@raistlin.armlinux.org> you wrote: > Stephen Crocker writes: > > Where can I find a program to produce Linux partition files? (Assuming such a > > thing exists, and as files are supported, it seems likely!) > > The old bootable PC Emulator-like partition files for Linux are no longer > supported since the 1.3.45 kernels due to incompatabilities in the way Linux > block device drivers now operate. > > However, you can mount a PC Emulator DOS partition using the loopback device, > and a program called losetup. Note however, that this will only work for > non-root partitions. Uh oh! Looks like RiscBSD after all! -- x^ ( ) _________ // Email: mailto:crok@crok.demon.co.uk < U O |_|_|_|_|_| O || WWW: http://www.crok.demon.co.uk \, |/|\ _________ [ ] Piloting Megara Ship #2 . |/^\ . 2 . /__\ ... If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 01:42:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA25453 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:42:35 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 11366]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11772-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:40:28 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971371-26282>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:34:42 -0500 Received: from eric.innovix.com ([206.24.109.1] HELO eric.innovix.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1347]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971342-26282>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:34:26 -0500 Received: from innovix.com by eric.innovix.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #47) id m0xXcRh-0000VzC; Mon, 17 Nov 97 17:27 PST Message-ID: <3470F14E.E794BE3D@innovix.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:37:18 -0800 From: xin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Linux for ARM news archives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Where can I find the Linux Arm related news archives Thanks. Xin Ye xin@innovix.com From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 04:16:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA26276 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:16:42 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 51004]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12522-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:06:41 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972511-26282>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:03:47 -0500 Received: from Earth.Terran.ORG ([208.152.24.33] EHLO Earth.Terran.ORG ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 8036]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972481-26282>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:03:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (bryan@localhost) by Earth.Terran.ORG (8.8.7/19970817) with SMTP id UAA03038 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:05:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:05:05 -0800 (PST) From: "B. James Phillippe" To: Linux/ARM Subject: ARM CPU/mobo Message-ID: Organization: Terran.ORG/LinuxWorld.NET X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, I'm interested in building a decent lightweight system based on ARM, for running linux. I'd like to use Digital's latest StrongARM processor, and hopefully find a motherboard with PCI and (E)ISA slots that I can reuse some of my existing hardware with (video, SCSI, ether, etc). It would also have to have an onboard IDE controller. If anyone has some experience or advice I could tap into, I would be very greatful. thanks, -bp -- B. James Phillippe UNIX, Linux, networks, C, Perl, Java, etc. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 08:21:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27571 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:21:20 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35155]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12462-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:19:46 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971139-26282>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:16:52 -0500 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1028]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971112-26282>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:16:18 -0500 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xXaHE-0000A9-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:08:20 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: 4MB In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:29:12 GMT." <199711162329.XAA01633@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:08:20 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I used to support 2MB machines. However, since the kernel takes 1MB of memory >minimum (directly after mounting the root fs with minimal config), it doesn't >really leave a lot of memory free for any programs (and not enough for init, >sh and swapon)... Surely you can run swapon in 1MB, can't you? I guess maybe it needs to be a hand-pruned version, but it doesn't really have to do anything very complicated. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 10:05:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28133 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:05:04 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12821]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11443-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:02:42 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970953-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:59:51 -0500 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1582]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970944-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:59:35 -0500 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id KAA13376; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:01:28 GMT From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199711181001.KAA13376@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM CPU/mobo To: bryan@Terran.ORG (B. James Phillippe) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:01:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "B. James Phillippe" at Nov 17, 97 08:05:05 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > processor, and hopefully find a motherboard with PCI and (E)ISA slots that > I can reuse some of my existing hardware with (video, SCSI, ether, etc). > It would also have to have an onboard IDE controller. If anyone has some > experience or advice I could tap into, I would be very greatful. Before we went Intel for our stuff (installed base, stable platform, cheap devel kit etc etc etc) I looked hard to IDE. The Cirrus 7100 at least has enough GPIO pins to bitbang IDE with no additional hardware. Im not sure if the SA1100 has From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 10:40:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28301 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:40:16 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 60202]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4426-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:39:25 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971070-26282>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:36:36 -0500 Received: from ernst.netinsight.se ([195.17.50.130] HELO ernst.netinsight.se ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3264]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971046-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:36:20 -0500 Received: from wally (unverified [195.17.50.147]) by ernst.netinsight.se (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:34:14 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971118113902.00931100@ernst> X-Sender: obg@ernst X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:39:02 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Olof Backing Subject: How are using EBSA-110? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello! How many out there are using the EBSA-110 board? As far as I can see only me myself and Russell are using the board, but I might be mistaken... The reason why I'm asking is that I need some input/experience on running/developing for the EBSA-110 board. I'm using PC Linux for development. /Olof Olof Backing Net Insight AB Phone: +46-8 449 22 36 Ingenjörsvägen 3, 2tr Fax: +46-8 449 22 40 S-117 43 Stockholm mailto:olof.backing@netinsight.se Sweden http://www.netinsight.se From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 13:00:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29427 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:00:01 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36727]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12176-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:59:39 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971182-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:56:34 -0500 Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.13] HELO fm3.facility.pipex.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 63250]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971199-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:56:03 -0500 Received: from earth [158.152.208.192] by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) id 0xXmK2-00002W-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:00:03 +0000 Message-ID: <347188F4.41C67EA6@causality.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:24:20 +0000 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited (London, UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; NetBSD 1.2G arm32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "B. James Phillippe" CC: Linux/ARM Subject: Re: ARM CPU/mobo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO B. James Phillippe wrote: > I'm interested in building a decent lightweight system based on > ARM, for running linux. I'd like to use Digital's latest StrongARM > processor, and hopefully find a motherboard with PCI and (E)ISA slots that > I can reuse some of my existing hardware with (video, SCSI, ether, etc). > It would also have to have an onboard IDE controller. If anyone has some > experience or advice I could tap into, I would be very greatful. Greetings, We're doing a board that sounds just like what you want: StrongARM, 21285 PCI bridge, PCI->ISA bridge with 4 slots, 66MHz SDRAM, USB and a few other frills (see the very unimpressive web page at www.chaltech.com for more information). We're going to port ARMLinux to it after we've done the NetBSD port---if someone else hasn't by then :-) Availability-wise, we're looking at end-of-year right now. Cheers, Neil -- Neil A. Carson Business development and marketing E-mail: neil@causality.com Causality Limited (London, UK) Web: http://www.causality.com. Office tel/fax: +44 (0)181 930 7408 Sent from a 233MHz StrongARM N|C! Mobile: +44 (0)370 593183 SA110+1100, 21285/PCI, ARM, RTOSs, NetBSD, 3D, Image Processing, NC OSs From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 16:37:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA30757 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:37:51 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 20598]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4746-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:36:20 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970967-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:33:01 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 12878]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971188-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:32:45 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (QAA21299); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:31:40 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:31:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Bogglifying problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I'm having a bit of a problem with ext2fs. Here's what's happened so far: I've written a program which reads the linux partition table and works out what kind of partitions are where on the disc. This works, and agrees with PartMan (though PartMan's calculations of partition/table sizes are too small by 1 sector - it assumes number_of_sectors=last_sector-first_sector, which is wrong). I've had a look at ext2fs.h and found that the superblock should first appear 1k into the partition, and is defined to be 1k long. I've dumped the first few sectors off my main linux partition, and compared it with the output from 'dumpe2fs', and found a superblock or two. This is all very nice, but here's the problem: The first superblock I found was a +1.5k exactly, not +1k. This is strange. The second superblock I found was at +2k, which is even more strange since it not only means that that superblock is in the wrong place, but the one before it (at +1.5k) is only 512 bytes in length; half the length linux defines it to be. Other than that, BOTH superblocks are correct in every detail, and are both updated every time I remount the filesystem in linux. This is the strangest part, since linux obviously reads and understands the partition, even though it completely contradicts what's in linux's own ext2fs.h file. I thought that, just maybe, this might be my hard disc being a bit strange, so I tried it out with my old 210meg HD (involving taking my RPC to pieces, removing the CDROM drive and putting in the small HD leaning at approx 30 degrees on top of the larger one ;-). I formatted this in pretty much the same way as the larger one, with a small ADFS partition followed by the linux one, and I did exactly the same thing with the dumping etc as with the larger HD. I get exactly the same result with that one - the two superblocks being at +1.5k and +2k. Can anyone shed some light on this area of utter strangeness? Does linux really contradict itself or is it just me being stupid? Thanks in advance, Phil -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 18:43:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA31919 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:43:30 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 14916]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15711-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:37:35 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970868-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:33:37 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 33440]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971160-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:32:58 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z16) with SMTP id TAA01106 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:35:13 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA01367; Tue, 18 Nov 97 19:35:00 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9711181835.AA01367@ikki> Subject: PRobs To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:34:59 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi ! A friend installed ArmLinux until the step where he enters Linux with extra arg root = ... And then : VFS : Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) INIT: version 2.64 booting Bad mode in prefetch abort handler detected : mode SVC_32 Error: OOPS : 0 CPU:0 pc:c4017200 lr:c2805254 Process insmod (pid:9, stackpage:c1eed00) Stack: Backtrace: Function entered at [] from [] Function entered at [] from [] Function entered at [] from [] What can this be? Regards, Tom From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 20:15:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA32506 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:14:58 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 59147]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16252-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:08:18 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970861-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:04:42 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.vividimage.com ([207.110.16.1] EHLO gatekeeper.vividimage.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1456]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970878-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:03:17 -0500 Received: from carlsbadpo.vividimage.com (torrancepo.vividimage.com [207.110.16.3]) by gatekeeper.vividimage.com (8.8.7/seada1) with SMTP id MAA22117 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:04:59 -0800 Received: by carlsbadpo.vividimage.com with Microsoft Mail id <3471E99E@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com>; Tue, 18 Nov 97 11:16:46 PST From: Michael Short To: "'ARM Mailing list'" Subject: RE: How are using EBSA-110? Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 11:58:00 PST Message-ID: <3471E99E@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I am currently have an EBSA-110 Eval board from DEC.. I have never actually gotten Linux running on it, but I have compiled some simple programs with the Arm software develo kit and sent them through the serial port and executed teh code trhrough the debugger.. I have tried several times to get an ARM Linux kernel running in this machine.. I have failed.. Now it sits here looking immpressive at my desk.. :-( <--- sad guy with cool toy.. that he cant get running I doubt I could be much help.. but I have specs and books all over the place If you needed info on things I may be able to send you info. just lemme know -M Short mshort@vividimage.com *SNIP* -----Original Message----- From: owner-linux-arm-outgoing [SMTP:owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 11:39 AM To: linux-arm Subject: How are using EBSA-110? Hello! How many out there are using the EBSA-110 board? As far as I can see only me myself and Russell are using the board, but I might be mistaken... The reason why I'm asking is that I need some input/experience on running/developing for the EBSA-110 board. I'm using PC Linux for develop= ment. /Olof *SNIP* From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 21:38:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00180 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:37:59 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 11593]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16233-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:35:23 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970791-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:31:08 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 43809]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970909-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:30:14 -0500 Received: from crok.demon.co.uk ([158.152.158.252]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2018857; 18 Nov 97 19:55 GMT To: neil@causality.com Cc: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Stephen Crocker Subject: Re: Partition files Reply-To: crok@crok.demon.co.uk References: <199711162334.XAA01650@raistlin.armlinux.org> <19971117.212131.63@crok.demon.co.uk> <3470E13E.3F54BC7E@causality.com> In-Reply-To: <3470E13E.3F54BC7E@causality.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:21:05 +0100 Message-ID: <19971118.192105.98@crok.demon.co.uk> Organization: Crokk X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <3470E13E.3F54BC7E@causality.com> you wrote: > Stephen Crocker wrote: > > > > Uh oh! Looks like RiscBSD after all! > > Although you can also mount PC partitions under 'BSD, it doesn't support > partition files either; to do so given the block driver interface will > be highly inefficient and technically complex. Someone has done a trial > implementation, but the performance was so degraded that it really > didn't seem worth bothering with. That said, you can do the > opposite---access the BSD discs as a fully mounted filesystem under > RiscOS. > > If you've got and use ARMLinux already, I'd stick with it. That's just IT! I can't install ARMLinux because I have a Cumana SCSI2. However, I have managed to get RiscBSD to work with the card, so I'll just have to do a permanent install with it. -- x^ ( ) _________ // Email: mailto:crok@crok.demon.co.uk < U O |_|_|_|_|_| O || WWW: http://www.crok.demon.co.uk \, |/|\ _________ [ ] Piloting Megara Ship #2 . |/^\ . 2 . /__\ ... Once you understand your computer it is obsolete From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 21:51:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00341 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:51:07 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12375]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4824-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:49:49 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970809-26282>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:46:56 -0500 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1028]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970837-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:46:41 -0500 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xXk4F-0000Er-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:35:35 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: xin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux for ARM news archives In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:37:18 PST." <3470F14E.E794BE3D@innovix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:35:35 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Where can I find the Linux Arm related news archives I'm not sure there are any. It would be a handy service for someone on a fixed Internet connection to set up, though. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 21:54:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00345 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:54:55 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35416]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1377-3033>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:52:21 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970837-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:49:13 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2046]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970797-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:48:57 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:51:17 +0000 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 97 21:48:56 GMT Received: from tanis.armlinux.org (tanis [192.168.0.1]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00813; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:25:03 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tanis.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00205; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:24:50 GMT Message-Id: <199711182024.UAA00205@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: PRobs To: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:24:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9711181835.AA01367@ikki> from "Thomas Marx" at Nov 18, 97 07:34:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thomas Marx writes: > pc:c4017200 > lr:c2805254 > > What can this be? Old insmod utility - get the latest module utils pachage off the ftp site! (And for future reference, if anyone else sees PC=c4xxxxxx, LR=C2xxxxxx, check the version of the module utilities and upgrade! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 22:08:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00376 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:08:40 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 56162]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12848-3033>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:07:13 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970850-26282>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:03:42 -0500 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1106]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970853-26282>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:03:10 -0500 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xXwec-0000CW-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:01:58 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Phil Norman cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Bogglifying problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:31:40 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:01:58 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I've had a look at ext2fs.h and found that the superblock should first >appear 1k into the partition, and is defined to be 1k long. What exactly are you looking at that makes you think this? >place, but the one before it (at +1.5k) is only 512 bytes in length; half 512 bytes is one disk block, which sounds a likely size for the superblock to be. I haven't actually looked at the code, but to be honest it sounds likely that you're misinterpreting the file. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 18 22:32:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00614 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:32:52 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 20085]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4382-3033>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:29:21 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970859-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:26:07 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1135]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970809-26283>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:25:51 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA00581; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:27:28 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711182227.WAA00581@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Linux for ARM news archives To: Philip.Blundell@pobox.com (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:27:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: xin@innovix.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Nov 18, 97 09:35:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > >Where can I find the Linux Arm related news archives > > I'm not sure there are any. It would be a handy service for someone on a > fixed Internet connection to set up, though. I'm /fairly/ sure I mentioned on this list before, I have an ftp'able elm inbox available as ftp://ftp.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/armlinux. I move stuff into it as and when I get it. It dates back to January. I only do this cos it's easy - don't ask me to present it in a more friendly format or to make it available as a gzip, though I might consider splitting it into months if anyone wants this feature (would be simple to update the symlink from my mail folder to the ftp directory) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 19 09:21:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA04336 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:21:33 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 50270]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1520-3033>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:20:58 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970837-26283>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:17:43 -0500 Received: from vacim.scg.man.ac.uk ([130.88.94.96] HELO vacim.scg.man.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1311]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970811-26283>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:17:26 -0500 Received: (from richard@localhost) by vacim.scg.man.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA00860 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:20:04 GMT From: "S. Richard Grint" Message-Id: <199711190920.JAA00860@vacim.scg.man.ac.uk> Subject: libc To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:20:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Does anyone know where exactly I can get a copy of arm libc, so that I can cross-compile arm linux kernels under PC-linux? I think that`s what I need since when I try to compile gcc, it says include files such as stdio.h are not present. Rich From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 19 10:15:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04695 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:15:38 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 1403]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11750-3033>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:14:54 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970837-26282>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:11:52 -0500 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195] HELO globe ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1816]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970811-26283>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:11:21 -0500 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xY6zL-0003Hk-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:04:03 +0000 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xY6zT-0004q5-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:04:11 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "S. Richard Grint" cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: libc In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:20:04 GMT." <199711190920.JAA00860@vacim.scg.man.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:04:11 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <199711190920.JAA00860@vacim.scg.man.ac.uk>, "S. Richard Grint" writ es: >Does anyone know where exactly I can get a copy of arm libc, so that I >can cross-compile arm linux kernels under PC-linux? I think that`s what >I need since when I try to compile gcc, it says include files such as >stdio.h are not present. GCC needs the C library to be installed to build ObjectiveC (and maybe C++), but luckily not the vanilla gcc (otherwise you'd have a bit of a bootstrap problem). If you say `make LANGUAGES="c"' when building gcc, it should build _only_ the C compiler itself (which doesn't rely on libc). Then you can install it and use it to compile the libc if you so desire - you don't actually need libc installed to build kernels, though. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 19 12:38:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05423 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:38:19 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 9808]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13092-3033>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:36:09 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970878-26283>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:32:42 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3497]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970927-26283>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:32:27 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (MAA10573); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:31:29 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:31:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Bogglifying problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Philip Blundell wrote: > >place, but the one before it (at +1.5k) is only 512 bytes in length; half > > 512 bytes is one disk block, which sounds a likely size for the superblock to > be. I haven't actually looked at the code, but to be honest it sounds likely > that you're misinterpreting the file. The superblock size is defined in ext2fs.h, right at the top of the file (AFAICR). It has a comment to the effect that some ppl define it to be slightly bigger than this, but they define it to be 1024bytes exactly. -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 19 12:45:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05592 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:45:06 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35412]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12857-3033>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:42:50 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970955-26282>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:39:27 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4226]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970927-26282>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:36:31 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (MAA17500); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:36:05 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:36:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Bogglifying problems In-Reply-To: <199711182028.UAA00212@tanis.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Phil Norman writes: > > I've written a program which reads the linux partition table and works > > out what kind of partitions are where on the disc. This works, and > > agrees with PartMan (though PartMan's calculations of partition/table > > sizes are too small by 1 sector - it assumes > > number_of_sectors=last_sector-first_sector, which is wrong). > > Wrong. PartMan is *correct*. What is stored is the number of sectors > actually used on the disk. So, > last used sector = first used sector + length - 1. Yes, it is. Very sorry Russell - you're right, I'm wrong. My miscalculation is a result of what I was doing wrong (see below). > > Can anyone shed some light on this area of utter strangeness? Does linux > > really contradict itself or is it just me being stupid? > > Try getting the partition calculations correct first ;). The super block > is indeed 1k into the disc, so you must be doing something wrong... Yep, and here's what it was: Right at the top of the little BASIC program I'm using to figure out partitions, I calculate the size of a block from what's returned to me by that nice FileCore_DescribeDisc call. However, I was doing: sector_len% = 2< Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06092 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:49:51 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 20599]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16079-3033>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:45:55 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970811-26282>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:42:08 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1286]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970854-26282>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:41:52 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA06062; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:43:46 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711191343.NAA06062@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: libc To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:43:46 +0000 (GMT) Cc: richard@vacim.scg.man.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Nov 19, 97 10:04:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > In message <199711190920.JAA00860@vacim.scg.man.ac.uk>, "S. Richard Grint" writ > es: > >Does anyone know where exactly I can get a copy of arm libc, so that I > >can cross-compile arm linux kernels under PC-linux? I think that`s what > >I need since when I try to compile gcc, it says include files such as > >stdio.h are not present. > > GCC needs the C library to be installed to build ObjectiveC (and maybe C++), > but luckily not the vanilla gcc (otherwise you'd have a bit of a bootstrap > problem). > > If you say `make LANGUAGES="c"' when building gcc, it should build _only_ the > C compiler itself (which doesn't rely on libc). Then you can install it and > use it to compile the libc if you so desire - you don't actually need libc > installed to build kernels, though. If I remember correctly, you also need --no-libc or something of the sort. But you can get the armlinux libc headers by getting arm-aout-libs-devel-4.6.27-1a6.arm.rpm From pb@nexus.co.uk Wed Nov 19 13:58:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from globe (nexusel.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.195]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA06104 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:58:25 GMT Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xYAXX-0003ZE-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:51:35 +0000 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xYAXe-0005E8-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:51:42 +0000 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: richard@vacim.scg.man.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: libc In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:43:46 GMT." <199711191343.NAA06062@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:51:42 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO In message <199711191343.NAA06062@odie.barnet.ac.uk>, Matthew Wilcox writes: >If I remember correctly, you also need --no-libc or something of the sort. Possibly. I don't remember that being the case, but you might be right. Gcc 2.8 _will_ need the kernel headers installed to build libgcc1, but as far as I know those are the only ones necessary. 2.7 doesn't even need those; its libgcc1 is self contained. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 19 22:45:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09676 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:45:56 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 42029]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12423-3033>; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:44:51 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970929-26283>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:41:24 -0500 Received: from ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.138.204] HELO ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4221]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970853-26283>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:41:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 3822 invoked by uid 504); 19 Nov 1997 22:43:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:43:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Matthew Kirkwood To: ARM Linux Subject: Hacking, testing, etc... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, As someone who rather likes the bleeding edge, I thought that ARM-Linux might provide some entertainment, but I have little or no knowledge of the hardware and (more importantly) none of the hardware required. It's not impossible (or even all that improbable) that I may be able to get my hands on an old Acorn of some description and a smallish HD, but what sort of specs do I need, and when did these Acorn boxes begin to support IDE? Anything useful like "Find and old Ax000 -- they support IDE and take standard SIMMs. y meg and a x meg HD will provide a good hacking platform on the cheap" would be most appreciated. Cheers, Matthew. -- Matthew Kirkwood | Mail: matthew.kirkwood@lmh.ox.ac.uk LMH JCR, | Web: http://www-jcr.lmh.ox.ac.uk/~weejock/ Oxford OX2 6QA, | PGP: finger weejock@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk England. | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 19 23:21:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09856 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:21:37 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 1852]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13239-3033>; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:20:15 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970927-26283>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:16:25 -0500 Received: from Earth.Terran.ORG ([208.152.24.33] EHLO Earth.Terran.ORG ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 10292]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970929-26283>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:16:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (bryan@localhost) by Earth.Terran.ORG (8.8.7/19970817) with SMTP id PAA14715; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:18:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:18:06 -0800 (PST) From: "B. James Phillippe" To: Matthew Kirkwood cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Hacking, testing, etc... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Terran.ORG/LinuxWorld.NET X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Matthew Kirkwood wrote: > Anything useful like "Find and old Ax000 -- they > support IDE and take standard SIMMs. y meg and > a x meg HD will provide a good hacking platform > on the cheap" would be most appreciated. Seconded. The folks at Acorn ask 400+ _pounds_ (the monetary unit) for mobo and CPU for StrongARM. Too much. The chips themselves are about $50. I'd like to do development work on one as well, but I can't find anyplace that sells this stuff for the price it's worth. Plus, I can't find a decent StrongARM motherboard with EIDE. Any advice would be more than welcome. thanks, -bp -- B. James Phillippe UNIX, Linux, networks, C, Perl, Java, etc. From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Fri Nov 21 20:39:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA26748 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:39:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7/TardisMailhub) id UAA21582 for arm-linux-outgoing; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:21:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7/TardisMailhub) with SMTP id UAA21577 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:21:36 GMT Received: from latrigg.demon.co.uk ([158.152.64.157]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1007489; 21 Nov 97 19:24 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:17:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Pringle Subject: A5000 Boot Disk To: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: At Home, 01285 713514 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Anyone know anything about the A5000 bootdisk or know where I can obtain it from? Regards, --- Chris Pringle 22, St. Mary's Drive, Fairford, Glos. GL7 4LQ P.S.Check out My web site at http://www.latrigg.demon.co.uk/Chris.homepage.html From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 21 23:13:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27909 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:13:34 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 60705]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13063-7515>; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:08:41 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971792-26282>; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:04:18 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3531]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971791-26282>; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:03:46 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (XAA21918); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:04:23 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:04:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Directories, files and inodes. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! The ext2fs reader is going nicely - I can now read a directory's contents and can copy a file from ext2 to RiscOS. Only one problem: I can't tell the difference between a directory or a file. I know there's probably some screamingly obvious flag or value in the inode definition, but I can't find it anywhere in ext2_fs.h. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance, Phil -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 24 04:48:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA15914 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 04:48:16 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 20004]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12821-7515>; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 05:55:03 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972134-219>; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:53:00 -0500 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1882]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972329-26282>; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:06:25 -0500 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id MAA29504 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:10:16 GMT From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199711231210.MAA29504@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: The bozo with mailstrip To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:10:14 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well I have bitched at UUnot/Pipex again but they seem as clueless as ever, so I've bitched at some hopefully clueful people there In the mean time can people bounce (preferably with headers) every single mailstrip junk message they get off linux-arm to abuse@pipex.net until they wake up Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Nov 24 05:00:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA15922 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 05:00:25 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 61224]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13045-7515>; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:07:59 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972146-219>; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:05:53 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1300]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972760-26282>; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:35:12 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:39:01 +0000 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 97 16:36:39 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10607 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:47:58 GMT From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA03961 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:47:52 GMT Message-Id: <199711231547.PAA03961@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Argh! The return of MAILSTRIP. Death to MailStrip! To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:47:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe Reply-To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi. Yes, MailStrip has returned to haunt everyone on the mailing list again. I've immediately sent the following email to postmaster@pipex.net and postmaster@argonet.co.uk to kick them into action... Death to Mailstrip! Death to Mailstrip! Death to Mailstrip! Death to Mailstrip! Death to Mailstrip! Death to Mailstrip! Death to Mailstrip! Death to Mailstrip! I suggest that if anyone else is getting these again to do the same - mail a copy of *all* the mailstrip emails to the above addresses. If enough people do this, then they will have to do something about it! > For some time now, we appear to have someone who insists on using a piece > of BROKEN, non-RFC conforming mail software, and is potentially annoying > around 300 users in various countries/companies. > > Please do your best to solve this problem, or else I will be forced to block > *all* emails from argonet.co.uk and from pipex.net, which is obviously not > desirable. > > Here are the emails that I received today. > > When ever this user logs on to collect his mail, each message that he receives > has an automatic reply generated *whether or not* the incoming message requests > this. This is potentially dangerious, especially as they appear to be > subscribed to a mailing list. The automatic replies have the original > *originating* email address as the `From' line, and as such there is no > information about the origin of these, other than the fact that they have > come from the IP address 193.130.250.196. > > If this continues, then I shall be forced to take radical action (eg, automatic > bouncing of this emails to the above address) until such time EFFECTIVE action > is taken. > > Please take the time to investigate this throughly. I don't care what you do, > just *STOP* this emails, and preferably prevent the distribution of such a broken > and annoying piece of software. > > PS. I'm sure that you don't want to have > NR_RECIPIENTS * NR_EMAILS_DOWNLOADED_BY_THIS_USER being passed through your > systems every time he/she logs on, eating up expensive net bandwidth, server space, > and CPU usage. > > ---- start of mails ---- > > copies of all emails I received from mailstrip... > ---- end of mails ---- _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 25 15:27:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29671 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:27:52 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 45889]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11584-7515>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:24:16 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972644-219>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:22:07 -0500 Received: from rocky.linklaters.com ([194.129.194.2] HELO rocky.linklaters.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 62290]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972656-216>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:21:09 -0500 Received: by rocky.linklaters.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA14869; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:23:03 GMT Received: from colmail(194.203.226.2) by rocky via smap (V2.0beta) id xma014753; Tue, 25 Nov 97 15:22:07 GMT Received: from manning (manning [194.203.226.3]) by colmail (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00534 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:22:18 GMT Message-Id: <199711251522.PAA00534@colmail> Received: by manning (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA01290; Tue, 25 Nov 97 15:22:04 GMT From: Daniel Shimmin Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:21:49 +0000 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Mailstrip dead but not yet buried? (Was Re: Death to mailstrip) X-Pge: 0,ipswich880470265.26.2,0,0,0 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (MindShare 3.61) X-Mailer: MindShare 3.61 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO This from the author of "Mailstrip", in case anyone concerned hasn't already received a copy: > Hi, > Thank you for your email. > > As a result of this, plus talks to several ISP's (including my > own) I have pulled !MailStrip off of my website and posted a > request to the appropriate newsgroup for users to desist from > using it. I will also be asking my ISP to perform a mailshot > to the same effect. > > The problem appears to be that a rogue version (2.40 ISTR) can > acknowledge emails to the wrong person. Although this was > discovered quite quickly and fixed it would appear that several > people are still using this version. > > Please accept my sincerest apologies for any inconvenience > caused. > > Mike This doubtless means that Alan and Russell (and others including myself) have succeeded in "waking up" one or more of the ISPs involved, as well as alerting Mike himself to the seriousness of the problem. However persuading the rogue Argonet user(s) to stop using Mailstrip 2.40 (or Argonet/Pipex/UUnet to force them to stop) may take a little longer; as, no doubt, will persuading "Mailer-Daemon@argonet.co.uk" to stop sending warning messages at us... You can phone Argonet support free in the UK on 0500 595 596 ; I'll probably give them a call this afternoon to see how things are going (they've ignored my e-mails so far, even if Mike didn't). D. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 25 15:33:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29704 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:33:30 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 37700]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12845-7515>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:32:42 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972651-219>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:30:53 -0500 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1543]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972644-216>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:30:43 -0500 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id PAA26178; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:31:47 GMT From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199711251531.PAA26178@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Mailstrip dead but not yet buried? (Was Re: Death to mailstrip) To: dshimmin@linklaters.com (Daniel Shimmin) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:31:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199711251522.PAA00534@colmail> from "Daniel Shimmin" at Nov 25, 97 03:21:49 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > This from the author of "Mailstrip", in case anyone concerned > hasn't already received a copy: Yep - he actually phoned me. More than I can say for the pipex folks. The feedback I have so far from prodding other bits of pipex is basically "Oh dear, not my department, dont care , fuck off" > You can phone Argonet support free in the UK on 0500 595 596 ; > I'll probably give them a call this afternoon to see how things > are going (they've ignored my e-mails so far, even if Mike > didn't). This looks like a rogue argonet luser who has moved to being pipex staff. If this doesnt cure it we can just zap the subscription list and home the idiot involved doesnt resubscribe. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 25 17:26:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA30585 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:26:50 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 33151]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12893-7515>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:25:18 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972693-216>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:18:24 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 30886]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972675-216>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:10:15 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (RAA22891); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:04:54 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:04:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Partition reader - it's working! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I've just (as of this morning) got all the various bits and bobs working enough for an alpha release. I know of several bugs which need to be fixed, and it's not incredibly stable, but it works reasonably well. It hasn't screwed up my hard disc yet anyway ;-). Since it's for linux, which is a very GNUey thing, I'm distributing it under the GPL, so the downloadable thing includes the source code. Many appologies for the source code BTW. I wanted to get this project done quickly, so I just hacked at it rather than trying to program it prettily. As a result, the source code looks like the result of a small nuclear detonation, but it compiles up with no warnings, so that's good enough for me ;-). I've put ExeterFS on my web page - it's pretty near the top and the binary is about 80-odd k. It's in Dicottery format (explained on the web page) so set the filetype of the archive to Absolute (ff8) and double-click on it. It'll decompress via a save box. Anyway, I'll probably do a bit of debugging on it over the week (although I'll be spending lots of time on uni work, which I've neglected recently), and hopefully get something a bit more stable before too long. Thanks everyone who's helped, especially Matthew Wilcox, James Craig and David Waring. Bye for now, Phil -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 26 16:11:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06448 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:10:57 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 3961]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13663-7515>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:09:04 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973143-219>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:01:22 -0500 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 54712]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973210-216>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:57:41 -0500 Received: from stordir.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.86]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1017797; 26 Nov 97 15:03 GMT Received: from hilary-166 by stordir.demon.co.uk Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:43:32 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mark Smith Organization: Storage Direct Ltd. To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:45:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Things don't look rosey for the StrongARM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Message-ID: <880556593.1017797.0@stordir.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO hello all, Well I've just skimmed through the 26th November issue of PC Dealer and there is a little article about the StrongARM chip. It seems the Intel don't know what to do with it as it doesn't fit in with the x.86 platform and they can't afford to support an additional architecture. They are in negotiations with Digital and ARM to discuss it's future. Bummer! Mark mark@storagedirect.REMOVETHISBIT.com From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 26 18:10:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07232 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:10:14 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 53079]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <14275-7515>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:05:17 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973296-219>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:02:01 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 42547]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973260-216>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:01:14 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z17) with SMTP id SAA03525 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:49:46 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA02374; Wed, 26 Nov 97 18:49:40 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9711261749.AA02374@ikki> Subject: Progs with compiling To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:49:38 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I am happy that my Linux runs mostly stable. I tried to to compile the QT library. I use the option linux-gcc-static and it compiled after I set a link from proc to proc-armv (is this right for a RPC?) somewhere in the /usr/src tree. But every program (the tutorials and the exapmles) crash or say that virtual memory is exhausted although I have lots free. Beside of this I tried to compile python. It compiled the most part but when run a test it said that there was a mistake within the sqrt routine. What is the source of this error? Another mistake was when compiling an assembler file the routine ASM_OUTPUT_ADDDIR_DIFF_ELT was not known. What is this? Thanx in advance. Regards, Tom From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 26 20:31:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA08304 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:31:14 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 37414]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1297-7515>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:30:01 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971369-219>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:27:49 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1677]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971361-216>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:27:15 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA08285; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:28:13 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711262028.UAA08285@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Progs with compiling To: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:28:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9711261749.AA02374@ikki> from "Thomas Marx" at Nov 26, 97 06:49:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I am happy that my Linux runs mostly stable. > I tried to to compile the QT library. I use the option linux-gcc-static and > it compiled after I set a link from proc to proc-armv (is this right for a > RPC?) somewhere in the /usr/src tree. Yes, this is right. It's a consequence of how Russell has decided to organise the ARM port. The right way to get the symlinks setup is to configure the kernel, the `make config' sets up the links for you. Whether the port should be organised into separate arm26 and arm32 architectures, I don't know. That's the way the Sparc32 & Sparc64 are set up, but it's really up to Russell. > But every program (the tutorials and the exapmles) crash or say that virtual > memory is exhausted although I have lots free. Don't know about this. But without ELF, compiling a library is non-trivial, and you may well need Russell to assign you a base number - if this library builds for a.out at all! > Beside of this I tried to compile python. It compiled the most part but when run a test > it said that there was a mistake within the sqrt routine. What is the source > of this error? I don't know. I may test this tonight - I certainly know of one bug in libm, and there may be others. This was due to a very poor specification of the FP instructions in the RISC OS 3 PRMs. Phil, are the libc6 routines taken from the current libc4? Do you want to be cc'd on any bug reports? > Another mistake was when compiling an assembler file the routine > ASM_OUTPUT_ADDDIR_DIFF_ELT was not known. What is this? Umm.. if it's an assembler file, it's almost certainly not ARM assembler! You'll need to rewrite this file in any case. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 26 22:57:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09419 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:57:07 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 28276]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11289-7515>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:56:36 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971491-219>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:54:12 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4563]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971488-219>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:53:56 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:55:34 +0000 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Nov 97 22:53:11 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17401; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:06:25 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00443; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:06:07 GMT Message-Id: <199711262206.WAA00443@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Progs with compiling To: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:06:06 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9711261749.AA02374@ikki> from "Thomas Marx" at Nov 26, 97 06:49:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thomas Marx writes: > But every program (the tutorials and the exapmles) crash or say that virtual > memory is exhausted although I have lots free. When you say it crashes, do you have any kernel messages relating to the crash? An 'Oops' maybe? > Beside of this I tried to compile python. It compiled the most part but > when run a test it said that there was a mistake within the sqrt routine. > What is the source of this error? I seem to remember that this is what happened when I attempted it. If anyone can track down the error... Let me guess... sqtd doesn't work the way that I thought it ought to??? .file "sqrt.S" #include .text .global _sqrt _sqrt: stmfd sp!, {r0, r1} ldfd f0, [sp], #8 cmfe f0, #0 bmi domainerr sqtd f0, f0 movs pc, lr domainerr: mov r0, #EDOM ldr r1, =_errno str r0, [r1] ldr r0, =___huge_val ldfd f0, [r0] mnfd f0, f0 movs pc, lr > Another mistake was when compiling an assembler file the routine > ASM_OUTPUT_ADDDIR_DIFF_ELT was not known. What is this? Don't give the compiler -fPIC or -fpic options!!! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 26 22:57:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09423 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:57:48 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 28276]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11849-7515>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:57:22 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971488-219>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:54:45 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4558]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971168-219>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:53:56 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:55:27 +0000 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org ([163.164.160.64]) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Nov 97 22:53:05 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17411; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:10:17 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00456; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:09:59 GMT Message-Id: <199711262209.WAA00456@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Things don't look rosey for the StrongARM To: mark@storagedirect.com (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:09:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <880556593.1017797.0@stordir.demon.co.uk> from "Mark Smith" at Nov 26, 97 02:45:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Mark Smith writes: > It seems the Intel don't know what to do with it as it doesn't fit in > with the x.86 platform and they can't afford to support an > additional architecture. > They are in negotiations with Digital and ARM to discuss it's > future. But isn't that what Intel wanted DECs design teams for? If not, then why did Intel appropriate them? Maybe to stifle the opposition? I think we'll just have to wait and see what happens... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 27 08:34:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12774 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:34:38 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 43020]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17726-7515>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:34:38 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973288-219>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 03:32:17 -0500 Received: from zaz.kom.auc.dk ([130.225.51.10] HELO zaz.kom.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 59102]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971716-216>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 03:31:47 -0500 Received: from wartburg.kom.auc.dk [130.225.51.19] (janm) by zaz.kom.auc.dk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xazO2-0002Wj-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:33:26 +0100 Message-ID: <347D3056.6CC0F67E@kom.auc.dk> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:33:26 +0100 From: Jan Magnussen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ARMLinux mailing-list Subject: Troubles compiling kernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi there. I downloaded the new patch for 2.0.31 and the source. I did a make xconfig followed by a make config But when I compile then about after about 40 minutes of compiling i got the following errors: arch/arm/mm/mm.o(.text+0x9a4): undefined reference to `sound_init' arch/arm/mm/mm.o(.text+0x9a4): relocation truncated to fit: ARM26 sound_init make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 I didn't get these errors with the 2.0.31pre9 kernel What could be wrong? PS: I enabled all sound options in xconfig. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.kom.auc.dk/~janm Fidonet 2:234/181.8 From pb@nexus.co.uk Thu Nov 27 11:58:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from globe (nexusel.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.195]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA14075 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:57:58 GMT Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xb2Yn-0002Oi-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:56:45 +0000 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xb2YS-00002j-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:56:24 +0000 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Progs with compiling In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:28:12 GMT." <199711262028.UAA08285@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:56:24 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO In message <199711262028.UAA08285@odie.barnet.ac.uk>, Matthew Wilcox writes: >Phil, are the libc6 routines taken from the current libc4? Do you want >to be cc'd on any bug reports? Some are, and yes please. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 27 12:44:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14499 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:44:38 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 45910]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17629-2294>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:39:38 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972086-219>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 05:36:58 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 14855]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971222-216>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 05:36:26 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (KAA00107); Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:34:47 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:34:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Other troubles compiling the kernel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hmmm... recurring theme this ;-) Here's a problem for you: I've got hold of the kernel source (2/0/31 AFAICR) and the latest patch (as of about a week ago) and I've tried compiling the thing. I did make config, make clean ; make depend , just as it said, and then make all. After a bit of compiling, it bailed out with this error: gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -m6 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o exec.o exec.c exec.c:279: conflicting types for `setup_arg_pages' /usr/src/linux/include/linux/binfmts.h:58: previous declaration of `setup_arg_pages' exec.c: In function `setup_arg_pages': exec.c:323: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast make[2]: *** [exec.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/fs' make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/fs' make: *** [linuxsubdirs] Error 2 I then tried removing a few options in make config, tried again and the same thing. It also failed to work when I just configured a fairly 'bare bones' setup. I've no idea where else this function is being defined (though it is declared as 'extern' in several files, including one header file exec.c includes itself), and I'm afraid I'm at a loss as to how to fix it. Any ideas? Thanks very much in advance, Phil -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 27 12:59:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14549 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:59:03 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 58735]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13154-2294>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:22:54 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971614-219>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 06:18:00 -0500 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 44883]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971190-219>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 06:16:25 -0500 Received: from stordir.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.86]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1018565; 27 Nov 97 10:58 GMT Received: from hilary-166 by stordir.demon.co.uk Thu, 27 Nov 97 10:35:29 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mark Smith Organization: Storage Direct Ltd. To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:37:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Things don't look rosey for the StrongARM In-reply-to: <199711262209.WAA00456@raistlin.armlinux.org> References: <880556593.1017797.0@stordir.demon.co.uk> from "Mark Smith" at Nov 26, 97 02:45:47 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Message-ID: <880628324.1018565.0@stordir.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > But isn't that what Intel wanted DECs design teams for? If not, then > why did Intel appropriate them? Maybe to stifle the opposition? I think > we'll just have to wait and see what happens... > _____ I wouldn't be at all suprised that future generations of Intel chips would have a RISC core not too dissimilar from a StrongARM ... but then again it wouldn't be the first time that a good idea has been bought up and binned. Mark. mark@storagedirect.REMOVETHISBIT.com From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 27 18:30:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16646 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:30:32 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12615]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12305-19826>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:29:01 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971680-216>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:25:18 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 33074]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971669-216>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:23:47 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z17) with SMTP id TAA17820 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:23:34 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA01269; Thu, 27 Nov 97 19:23:29 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9711271823.AA01269@ikki> Subject: Re: Re: Prog(b)s with compiling To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:23:28 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi again! Russell writes: > But every program (the tutorials and the exapmles) crash or say that virtual > memory is exhausted although I have lots free. When you say it crashes, do you have any kernel messages relating to the crash? An 'Oops' maybe? No, the computer is still alive, it throws a core. So I tried gdb but was not installed. The xxgdb just flickers on the screen and is away. Is there another debug possiblity? Tom From owner-elf-arm@lists.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 22:55:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA18290 for elf-arm-list; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:55:17 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18286 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:55:03 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA02040; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:55:51 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Nov 97 22:53:30 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19044; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:19:41 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00659; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:19:23 GMT Message-Id: <199711272219.WAA00659@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Status on the project To: olof.backing@netinsight.se (Olof Backing) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:19:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: elf-arm@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971127134948.00940520@ernst> from "Olof Backing" at Nov 27, 97 01:49:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-elf-arm@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Olof Backing writes: > The choice for Linux 2.1.X also requires ELF as you know. I have tried to > make some porting of binutils and gcc, but read recently (after learning > about this list) that RMK had made some progress in ELF ARM (making my work > obsolete due to my current knowledge in ELF). The current topic seems to be > the implementation of SL, but this is nothing we believe that we will use > in the first phase due to the specific environment that Linux will operate > in. I'm not too sure if I've made all of your work obsolete - I've hardly looked into GCC atm. My main objective at the moment is to get ELF objects and executables working, as well as the first stages of the shared library support. > My request/question is if it's possible to have a copy of the work/patches > done so far in order to test if Linux 2.1.X will run in our environment. I am looking to making the patches available in some form or another shortly, however it may be a tar file of the files that I *think* that I have changed. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | - unsubscribe: body of 'unsubscribe elf-arm' to majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 27 22:57:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18306 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:57:47 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35668 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4723-19826>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:57:22 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971712-216>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:54:35 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1028]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971731-219>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:53:56 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:55:30 +0000 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org ([163.164.160.64]) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Nov 97 22:53:05 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18978; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:55:39 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00560; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:55:22 GMT Message-Id: <199711272155.VAA00560@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Troubles compiling kernel To: janm@kom.auc.dk (Jan Magnussen) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:55:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <347D3056.6CC0F67E@kom.auc.dk> from "Jan Magnussen" at Nov 27, 97 09:33:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Jan Magnussen writes: > I downloaded the new patch for 2.0.31 and the source. > I did a make xconfig followed by a make config > But when I compile then about after about 40 minutes of compiling i got > the following errors: > arch/arm/mm/mm.o(.text+0x9a4): undefined reference to `sound_init' > arch/arm/mm/mm.o(.text+0x9a4): relocation truncated to fit: ARM26 > sound_init > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 Just remove the reference to sound_init in arch/arm/mm/mm.c. There should be no need to recompile everything. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 27 22:57:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18309 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:57:48 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35668 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11622-19826>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:57:49 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971731-216>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:55:05 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1042]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971754-216>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:53:58 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:55:47 +0000 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Nov 97 22:53:23 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19000; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:00:47 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00582; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:00:30 GMT Message-Id: <199711272200.WAA00582@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Other troubles compiling the kernel To: P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk (Phil Norman) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:00:29 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Phil Norman" at Nov 27, 97 10:34:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Phil Norman writes: > I've got hold of the kernel source (2/0/31 AFAICR) and the latest patch > (as of about a week ago) and I've tried compiling the thing. I did make > config, make clean ; make depend , just as it said, and then make all. > After a bit of compiling, it bailed out with this error: > > gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -m6 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -c -o exec.o exec.c > exec.c:279: conflicting types for `setup_arg_pages' > /usr/src/linux/include/linux/binfmts.h:58: previous declaration of `setup_arg_pages' > exec.c: In function `setup_arg_pages': > exec.c:323: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast > make[2]: *** [exec.o] Error 1 It looks like one of the patches failed for include/linux/binfmts.h. After applying the patch, check to see if there are any *.rej files in the tree. If there are, I suggest that you get a clean 2.0.31 source tree and try again. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 27 22:58:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18312 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:58:21 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35668 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12039-19826>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:57:58 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971713-216>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:55:28 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1037]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971732-219>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:53:58 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:55:39 +0000 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Nov 97 22:53:14 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19021; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:09:22 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00619; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:09:05 GMT Message-Id: <199711272209.WAA00619@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Re: Prog(b)s with compiling To: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:09:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9711271823.AA01269@ikki> from "Thomas Marx" at Nov 27, 97 07:23:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thomas Marx writes: > > You wrote: ;) > > > But every program (the tutorials and the exapmles) crash or say that virtual > > > memory is exhausted although I have lots free. > > > > When you say it crashes, do you have any kernel messages relating to the crash? > > An 'Oops' maybe? > > No, the computer is still alive, it throws a core. With the latest kernel, it should give you a message in the logs (try using `setterm -msglevel 0' should cause the kernel to report messages onto the kernel. > So I tried gdb but was not installed. The xxgdb just flickers on the screen > and is away. Is there another debug possiblity? If the kernel is detecting a serious error (which it sounds like it is), then the kernel will exit the process, and gdb won't give you any advantage... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 28 02:22:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA19625 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:22:57 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22064 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10131-19826>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:20:41 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972154-219>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:17:11 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1665]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972274-219>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:16:54 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA19590; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:17:49 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711280217.CAA19590@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Re: Prog(b)s with compiling To: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:17:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9711271823.AA01269@ikki> from "Thomas Marx" at Nov 27, 97 07:23:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > So I tried gdb but was not installed. The xxgdb just flickers on the screen > and is away. Is there another debug possiblity? No, I haven't foung a gdb set, either. Russell, have you compiled a set, or would this be a useful set for me to contribute? From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 28 15:04:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24138 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:04:18 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:2052 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4281-16327>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:48:54 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973402-219>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:46:16 -0500 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] HELO vger.rutgers.edu ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1034]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971896-216>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:45:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:45:24 -0500 (EST) From: Philip Blundell To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: gcc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO People who have been having trouble with gcc 2.7.2 recently, particularly to do with it fighting with the new binutils, might like to give this version a go. I'd like to hear reports of how it works for arm-linuxaout configurations. p. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:42:04 -0500 (EST) From: Philip Blundell To: gcc2@cygnus.com Subject: ss-971128 is available ss-971128 is now available in vger.rutgers.edu:/pub/gcc This snapshot was "sanity checked" by doing a "make bootstrap/compare" on target i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1 (-O and -O2). Patches to generated files (eg: c-parse.c, *.info*) may not apply properly if you have regenerated those files since the last snapshot. If you get errors while patching such files, ignore them and regenerate the files. Snapshots are for developers and testers and should not be distributed to random users. By definition they are not well tested and thus are not very suitable to people who want to use them solely as a compiler. If there is a problem with this snapshot (missing/broken files, etc.) please email Phil Blundell . Report bugs to gcc2@cygnus.com (not bug-gcc). Special "admin" files in this snapshot are: ,brik - brik checksums for each file in the snapshot ,ls.deleted - list of deleted files from the previous snapshot ,ls.fsf - an ls of the FSF source tree ,ls.local - an ls of the snapshot tree From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 18:19:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25552 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:19:16 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id SAA17128; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:20:13 GMT Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup0.cymru.net) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Nov 97 18:17:50 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21095; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:27:18 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA03361; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:27:05 GMT Message-Id: <199711281727.RAA03361@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Re: Prog(b)s with compiling To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:27:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199711280217.CAA19590@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Nov 28, 97 02:17:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > No, I haven't foung a gdb set, either. Russell, have you compiled a set, > or would this be a useful set for me to contribute? I do have a gdb binary (and it's related source code), but haven't been able to compile it up for the rpm distribution. You're most welcome to give it a go, and I'll send you the files that I think I altered to get it going... The only thing that you will have to be careful with gdb is the two different page sizes on the machines. GDB ought to automatically detect the page size from the core file, but it doesn't at the moment. Maybe something you could look at? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 28 23:30:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27421 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:30:17 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:52566 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2012-16327>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 01:27:57 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973511-219>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:24:44 -0500 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 50953]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973504-219>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:24:26 -0500 Received: from a4art.demon.co.uk ([194.222.188.18]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1020493; 28 Nov 97 23:16 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:22:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Julian Bury Subject: booting To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Julian Bury X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO hi all, i'm attempting to install linux which came on the clan cd (with little success). i've made up the 3 floppies but when i type: ADFS::4.$.Linux.!Linux -bootkernel ADFS::4.$.Linux.Kernel i get: unable to map kernel: your first dram is not large enough. any ideas? jb. btw. i've got 16mb iin 1 simm and 2mb vram. ======================== julian@a4art.demon.co.uk ======================== From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 29 09:00:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA30948 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:00:33 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22603 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4224-16327>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:58:42 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973585-216>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 03:55:44 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 61526]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973580-219>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 03:54:57 -0500 Received: from a4art.demon.co.uk ([194.222.188.18]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2028913; 29 Nov 97 8:56 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:01:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Julian Bury Subject: copying linux files To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Julian Bury X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO hi all, its me again :-/ i've overcome the booting problem, but this ones really got me stumpted. so far: i've created the floppies formated the harddrive. booted the kernel from the floppy. got part way through the installation... the installer is only giving me the option to copy the files over from a directory on /dev/hdb3. i currently have all the files in an x-file, so the question is, how do i get the files over to the linux partition? thanks for any help jb. ======================== julian@a4art.demon.co.uk ======================== From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Sat Nov 29 13:39:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA32528 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:39:48 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id NAA07315 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:40:53 GMT Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup0.cymru.net) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 97 13:38:33 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23216 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:41:18 GMT From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA00888 for willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:41:01 GMT Message-Id: <199711291341.NAA00888@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: The packages... To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:41:00 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199711241326.NAA19153@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Nov 24, 97 01:26:15 pm X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe Reply-To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hi Mat! You may want to try compiling some of the small programs up using `-N'. It makes the binaries quite a bit smaller, esp. for fileutils and textutils! It does mean that the binaries can't be dynamically paged in, but are loaded at run time... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 29 14:41:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00125 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:41:08 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10062 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16133-16327>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:41:57 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970875-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:38:48 -0500 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 41503]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970878-22264>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:38:31 -0500 Received: from etoncomp.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.160]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1004459; 29 Nov 97 14:32 GMT Received: from zimmerman.eton.ac.uk ([192.168.2.1]) by etoncomp.demon.co.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA260 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:25:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:31 -0800 (PST) From: Garan Jenkin MSS X-Sender: garanj@zimmerman.eton.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: getting files to my acorn Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi I have the following : My mac running macos and MacBSD in one location on a PC network My Acorn in a different location Both Mac and Acorn have Scsi, but not the PCs and I have an external disc. I have all the RPMS files downloaded onto a NT PC, which can easily be transferred onto the mac and then onto scsi disc. Question is : what format should I format the SCSI disc in? Mac? DOS? UFS? What will be readable by the Acorn and preserve the long filenames? any help appreciated. Garan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 29 14:57:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00289 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:57:45 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5972 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16214-16327>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:58:17 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970919-22264>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:55:01 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] EHLO exeter.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 29587]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970868-22264>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:54:44 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (OAA06558); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:54:11 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:54:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: Garan Jenkin MSS cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: getting files to my acorn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Garan Jenkin MSS wrote: > Hi > > I have the following : > My mac running macos and MacBSD in one location on a PC network > My Acorn in a different location > > Both Mac and Acorn have Scsi, but not the PCs and I have an external disc. > > I have all the RPMS files downloaded onto a NT PC, which can easily be > transferred onto the mac and then onto scsi disc. Question is : what > format should I format the SCSI disc in? Mac? DOS? UFS? What will be > readable by the Acorn and preserve the long filenames? Probably the easiest way is to format the drive using BSD and use the 'unixfs' filing system the RiscBSD team have written on your Acorn. I'm not sure exactly where to find unixfs, but the BSD home page is at http://www.causality.com/riscbsd/index.html if that helps. See ya, Phil -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 29 15:26:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00507 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:26:29 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:62309 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4380-16327>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:26:54 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971083-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:23:23 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] EHLO exeter.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 30438]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971151-22264>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:20:43 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (PAA15763); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:20:21 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:20:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: How to install from Clan CD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Right. I said I'd do it, and I've finally got round to it. Last night, over several cups of coffee (and many hours) I reinstalled armlinux on my spare hard drive (just to see how it's done) using the Clan CD things. I've written a text file, got together all the little binaries, instimage and base they are needed (except for those things required by the normal installation method) and I'm just zipping them up now. It'll come out to be approximately a 3.3meg archive (zip -9) and will be available on my web site shortly (URL below). So if anyone wants to install arm-linux from the Clan CD, a guide to doing so is now available. You will need the original installation guide and the files and applications that that guide requires, but this supplemental guide should provide everything else. BTW, I think it'd be a good idea to have a file on the arm-linux ftp site describing the various arm-linux support packages available and where to get hold of them. I say this because I think it's unlikely that people will know where my installation guide is or my ext2fs partition reader is unless they are specifically told or such an index file exists. Also, I know there is an x-files reader for linux, but I don't know where to get it from. It would be very useful for installing off the Clan CD actually - if someone will tell me where to get it I'll alter my installation guide accordingly. Thanks, Phil -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 29 16:12:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00726 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:12:12 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:45575 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15496-16327>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:11:14 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971139-22264>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:06:53 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] EHLO exeter.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 31646]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971193-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:05:45 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (QAA22476); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:03:42 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:03:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: I know, you know, but I've got problems... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO ...compiling the kernel source. I've managed to compile the kernel, and got it to work ok. When I tried booting into it it complained loudly at me, so I hacked it and altered the first word to 'B &20' (the precompiled kernels I have have that so I thought it'd be best to add it to my own kernel too). I then tried booting again, and it worked right up to the point where it should look at the hard disc. Unfortunately, 'hda timed out' so I had to Ctrl-Alt-Del it to death. Any ideas on what could be going wrong? Thanks in advance, Phil P.S. I'm using a RPC with the built-in IDE interface with 1 hard drive and a Cumana indigo (horrid name) attached. -- Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. Programs available for download from my web page. email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 29 19:24:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01939 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:24:26 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10604 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16139-16327>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:23:38 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971249-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:20:05 -0500 Received: from puce.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.40] HELO puce.csi.cam.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 54146]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971247-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:19:46 -0500 Received: from dmf20 by puce.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xbsRg-0004o5-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:20:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:20:52 +0000 (GMT) From: David X-Sender: dmf20@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: VRAM needed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear All, I've just tried to install ARMLinux on my A7000+ (24Mb RAM), and it appeared to get further than at the beginning of the summer. However, it failed with the message "VRAM needed" (or similar). Is VRAM an absolute must, or can I get around it somehow? (Bearing in mind that VRAM is not an option on my machine...) Thanks for your help, David Forbes. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 29 22:52:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03161 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:52:57 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54613 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15658-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:53:48 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971385-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:50:10 -0500 Received: from entoo.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.8] EHLO entoo.connect.com.au ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 63311]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971381-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:49:24 -0500 Received: from home.cvs.com.au (acc4-ppp29.mel.interconnect.com.au [210.8.0.93]) by entoo.connect.com.au with SMTP id JAA24758 (8.8.5/IDA-1.7); Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:50:53 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3480A0E8.4F1E0884@cvs.com.au> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:10:32 +1100 From: Charles Esson Organization: Colour Vision Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-Caldera (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alexs@cvs.com.au CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: ????strongArm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I writing this in the hope that someone will tell me I am a raving lunatic and more importantly, why. The future belonged to digital, they have a 64 bit architecture that is the best available. It runs windows NT, which is going to become the main OS. Intel are about to try and push us onto there 64 bit architecture, a move that surely would have created a window for Digital. But it takes time for people to become confident, they have to confident that Alpha is a long term solution. We had the confidence, that is why we chose the strongArm and were about to swap to Alpha machines for our NT systems. With the strongArm they had the best solution for real time control, for hand held devices, and for the NC. The stockholders held a meeting and complained that the stock price was $45 while Intels was $75. Digital is now being broken up, semiconductors to intel, network products to someone else, leaving them as just another PC supplier and a Alpha hopefull, if the Alpha doesn't come off they are finished, why buy a PC of Digital. When the stockholders meeting was held $45 was a bargain, it may have been the stock of the future. Now I think it may be just a little overpriced. The strongArm is no longer a Digital product. If you take away the products digital developed, the arm archetecture is nice but it does not have the run-away performance that it once had. When it came to chip design Digital where the best. Even if Intel take the strongArm seriously, and there seems to be indications that they want to continue with the Joke called the I960, what is the strongArms future in there hands. Will the engineers that made the strongArm what it is stay with Intel. Digital were a great company, Intel were in the right place at the right time. The deal has been done, Digital are now out of the Arm picture. And comimg up the outside is Motorola. Now Motorola have made some really bad strategic decisions. When the RISC archetecture were developing there markets the 80k was priced to save the 68k, when it should of been priced to claim market ( it died). They had the real time market ( the market of the future ) what do they do, tell us to use the powerPC ( you know where my money is, it will die), and recently they started talking about the Mcore ( did Mcore see the light of day, I havn't heard or looked). It however looks as if the Motorola may have realised that the power PC is a dead duck ( and very few care for another archetecture). The local dealer is no longer trying to tell us to swap our real time designs to powerPC ( I can only assume many other told motorola to shove it where it hurts ). Last week was the first time I saw an advertisment where motorola admitted that the coldfire was a 68k derivative ( they are now adding in the 68k deliveries and claiming first spot). They have brought out a v3 core. Now all they have to do is drop this sweet spot rubbish and produce something that flies. But as you say Motorola cannot afford to stuff it up many more times people are getting sick of it. Perhaps when selecting a processor family the companies stock price should be considered. I know we have delivery deadlines but I think we should put the strongArm on hold, as I said five months of my life wasted, but imagine how the engineers at Digital feel. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 29 23:03:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03194 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:03:56 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:29031 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16225-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:04:27 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971381-22264>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:00:41 -0500 Received: from zaz.kom.auc.dk ([130.225.51.10] HELO zaz.kom.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 58846]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971402-22264>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:54:17 -0500 Received: from ppp-11.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.77] by zaz.kom.auc.dk with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xbvoR-0003lS-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:56:36 +0100 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:55:34 +0100 (GMT) From: Jan Magnussen Subject: Re: Troubles compiling kernel To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199711272155.VAA00560@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu 27 Nov, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Jan Magnussen writes: > > I downloaded the new patch for 2.0.31 and the source. > > I did a make xconfig followed by a make config > > But when I compile then about after about 40 minutes of compiling i got > > the following errors: > > arch/arm/mm/mm.o(.text+0x9a4): undefined reference to `sound_init' > > arch/arm/mm/mm.o(.text+0x9a4): relocation truncated to fit: ARM26 > > sound_init > > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > > Just remove the reference to sound_init in arch/arm/mm/mm.c. There > should be no need to recompile everything. There is no such file. According to the Makefile in the arch/arm/mm directory the mm.o file is the ending file after compiling all other files in that directory, and then linking them together. I turned off sound support, and it compiled ok. But another thing came up: 2: [003C:00AE] IDE Interface icside: unknown ICS interface id=14 ** Warning: ICS IDE Interface unrecognised! ** This also happened with the newest precompiled kernel at the ftp site. But the sligthly older kernel worked fine (but had no vfat-support). What could be wrong? Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.kom.auc.dk/~janm Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 29 23:08:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03198 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:08:19 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10348 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15597-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:09:14 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971381-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:05:16 -0500 Received: from monarch.ja.net ([128.86.16.37] EHLO monarch.ja.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 55193]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971388-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:04:02 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by monarch.ja.net with SPAM SMTP (PP); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:57:19 +0000 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with NRS SMTP (PP); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:57:15 +0000 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup0.cymru.net) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 97 22:54:52 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24547; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:57:32 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA02519; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:57:19 GMT Message-Id: <199711292257.WAA02519@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: VRAM needed? To: dmf20@hermes.cam.ac.uk (David) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:57:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "David" at Nov 29, 97 07:20:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu X-Envid: [/PRMD+3DUK.AC/ADMD+3D+20/C+3DGB/;<199711292257.WAA02519@raistlin.] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO David writes: > failed with the message "VRAM needed" (or similar). Is VRAM an absolute > must, or can I get around it somehow? (Bearing in mind that VRAM is not an > option on my machine...) Unfortunately, the whole of the console drivers and memory management systems in Linux rely on at least 1MB VRAM. This may change if there's enough demand for it. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 30 00:53:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03851 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:53:10 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47139 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16088-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:49:09 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971440-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:45:46 -0500 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 61000]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971431-22264>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:45:16 -0500 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1012004; 30 Nov 97 0:45 GMT Message-ID: <3480B5E0.34CA6451@treblig.org> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:40:00 +0000 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.63 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Esson CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ????strongArm References: <3480A0E8.4F1E0884@cvs.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Charles, I'm sure there are many people feeling as uneasy about StrongARM and Alpha as you are. But things are not necessarily that bleak for StrongARM. For a start my understanding is that if Intel packed up StrongARM it would be possible (due to the way they own bits of the rights etc and the fact that there are other people with appropriate IC processes) for ARM to have StrongARM produced. Then there is the fact that StrongARM will by mid 98 be an alternative processor for I2O - the wacky fast I/O system which Intel like, of course Intel like the fact there is an, i960 in it ; but a lot of people have said they would rather prefer a StrongARM, so that might help it. Even if Intel didn't want it, there must be someone else who would buy it - as long it didn't just get thron away. The biggest problem is the uncertainty - Intel are doing serious damage by not saying what there intentions are. Dave P.S. Who has just ordered an Alpha on the basis it is safe at least in the short term. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 30 01:59:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04175 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:59:01 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:15416 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15905-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 03:59:46 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971455-22266>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:56:38 -0500 Received: from entoo.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.8] EHLO entoo.connect.com.au ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 63977]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971451-22264>; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:56:08 -0500 Received: from home.cvs.com.au (acc4-ppp29.mel.interconnect.com.au [210.8.0.93]) by entoo.connect.com.au with SMTP id MAA08032 (8.8.5/IDA-1.7); Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:58:45 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3480CCF1.3AF3B492@cvs.com.au> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:18:25 +1100 From: Charles Esson Organization: Colour Vision Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-Caldera (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alexs@cvs.com.au CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ????strongArm References: <3480A0E8.4F1E0884@cvs.com.au> <3480B5E0.34CA6451@treblig.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dave Gilbert wrote: > > Hi Charles, > I'm sure there are many people feeling as uneasy about StrongARM and > Alpha as you are. > > But things are not necessarily that bleak for StrongARM. For a start > my understanding is that if Intel packed up StrongARM it would be > possible (due to the way they own bits of the rights etc and the fact > that there are other people with appropriate IC processes) for ARM to > have StrongARM produced. > > Then there is the fact that StrongARM will by mid 98 be an alternative > processor for I2O - the wacky fast I/O system which Intel like, of > course Intel like the fact there is an, i960 in it ; but a lot of people > have said they would rather prefer a StrongARM, so that might help it. > > Even if Intel didn't want it, there must be someone else who would buy > it - as long it didn't just get thron away. > > The biggest problem is the uncertainty - Intel are doing serious > damage by not saying what there intentions are. > > Dave > > P.S. Who has just ordered an Alpha on the basis it is safe at least in > the short term. > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - > David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He > ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 30 12:29:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07690 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:29:20 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:21584 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15772-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:30:21 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971586-22264>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 07:26:58 -0500 Received: from monarch.ja.net ([128.86.16.37] EHLO monarch.ja.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 62111]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971583-22266>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 07:26:43 -0500 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by monarch.ja.net with SPAM SMTP (PP); Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:29:17 +0000 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with NRS SMTP (PP); Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:29:13 +0000 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup0.cymru.net) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Nov 97 12:26:46 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25440; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:42:28 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00364; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:42:26 GMT Message-Id: <199711300942.JAA00364@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Troubles compiling kernel To: janm@kom.auc.dk (Jan Magnussen) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:42:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: rmk@diana.ecs.soton.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Jan Magnussen" at Nov 29, 97 11:55:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu X-Envid: [/PRMD+3DUK.AC/ADMD+3D+20/C+3DGB/;<199711300942.JAA00364@raistlin.] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Jan Magnussen writes: > > Just remove the reference to sound_init in arch/arm/mm/mm.c. There > > should be no need to recompile everything. > > There is no such file. According to the Makefile in the arch/arm/mm directory > the mm.o file is the ending file after compiling all other files in that > directory, and then linking them together. Sorry, arch/arm/mm/init.c > I turned off sound support, and it compiled ok. > But another thing came up: > 2: [003C:00AE] IDE Interface > icside: unknown ICS interface id=14 > ** Warning: ICS IDE Interface unrecognised! ** > > This also happened with the newest precompiled kernel at the ftp site. > But the sligthly older kernel worked fine (but had no vfat-support). The ICS IDE interfaces come on various different forms, and depending on which PCB version you have and the type depends on how you access it. Eg, if you have a V5 PCB, you access it in MEMC space. With a V6 PCB, you access it in podule space. If you try to access a V6 PCB as a V5 PCB, then your machine will require a physical reset to get it going again. So, the ICS IDE interfaces have a ident associated with them. However the ident that you're finding is not correct for the type of boards that I know about. Can you let me know what type, and version PCB your interface is? Meanwhile, I'll try to get some more info... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 30 17:15:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09496 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:15:40 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:48476 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15615-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:16:48 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971648-22266>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:13:10 -0500 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1488]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971645-22266>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:12:50 -0500 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id RAA06982; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:15:16 GMT From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199711301715.RAA06982@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ????strongArm To: gro.gilbert@treblig.org (Dave Gilbert) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:15:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: charlese@cvs.com.au, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <3480B5E0.34CA6451@treblig.org> from "Dave Gilbert" at Nov 30, 97 00:40:00 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > processor for I2O - the wacky fast I/O system which Intel like, of > course Intel like the fact there is an, i960 in it ; but a lot of people > have said they would rather prefer a StrongARM, so that might help it. Most vendors seem intent on shipping i960 stuff only. so the person with an SA based I2O board loses big time. I2O is also getting drawn into the microsoft/intel monopoly investigations so other mess could yet occur Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 30 20:56:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11024 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:56:43 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:2906 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15907-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:55:47 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971722-22264>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:52:19 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 38967]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971688-22264>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:51:47 -0500 Received: from etoncomp.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.160]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2024289; 30 Nov 97 20:42 GMT Received: from zimmerman.eton.ac.uk ([192.168.2.1]) by etoncomp.demon.co.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA228; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:37:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:12:09 -0800 (PST) From: Garan Jenkin MSS X-Sender: garanj@zimmerman.eton.ac.uk To: Phil Norman cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: getting files to my acorn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Phil, Won't I have problems in that I will have no ADFS partition on the SCSI disc with the rpms on? Aparrently that is a problem. Why do the rpms need such long names? that makes things harder. Can I use ext2fs? bye On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Phil Norman wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Garan Jenkin MSS wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I have the following : > > My mac running macos and MacBSD in one location on a PC network > > My Acorn in a different location > > > > Both Mac and Acorn have Scsi, but not the PCs and I have an external disc. > > > > I have all the RPMS files downloaded onto a NT PC, which can easily be > > transferred onto the mac and then onto scsi disc. Question is : what > > format should I format the SCSI disc in? Mac? DOS? UFS? What will be > > readable by the Acorn and preserve the long filenames? > > Probably the easiest way is to format the drive using BSD and use the > 'unixfs' filing system the RiscBSD team have written on your Acorn. > > I'm not sure exactly where to find unixfs, but the BSD home page is at > http://www.causality.com/riscbsd/index.html if that helps. > > See ya, > Phil > > > -- > Phil Norman, mailing from Exeter Uni. > Programs available for download from my web page. > email: p.c.f.norman@ex.ac.uk > web: http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman > > From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 30 20:59:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11041 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:59:56 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:16480 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15721-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:58:58 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971704-22264>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:55:12 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1282]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971688-22264>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:54:56 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA11015; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:56:19 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711302056.UAA11015@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: gcc To: philip@vger.rutgers.edu (Philip Blundell) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:56:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Nov 28, 97 08:45:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > People who have been having trouble with gcc 2.7.2 recently, particularly > to do with it fighting with the new binutils, might like to give this > version a go. I'd like to hear reports of how it works for arm-linuxaout > configurations. Downloaded it (quite fast surprisingly..), unpacked it on my i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1 host. Configured it as a cross-compiler to arm-linuxaout Problem #1 tm.h declares TARGET_CPU_DEFAULT at line 1 - it's then redeclared in config/arm/linux.h at line 34. I removed the warning by deleting the first occurrence - you might want to put a guarding #undef in front of the second define. Problem #2 the default --prefix seems to be /usr whereas the binutils 2.8.1.0.15 default to /usr/local, like the other GNU utilities do. So it doesn't find the arm-linuxaout-as that I'd installed moments earlier. Easily fixed by changing the prefix. Problem #3 The documentation is somewhat out of date. This is probably something I could help with over Xmas. Problem #4 You need to copy the *ARM* unistd.h into /usr/local/arm-linuxaout/include/asm. This isn't explicitly stated - and I'm not sure that it's really necessary since the SWI numbers are unlikely to change - indeed, they can't without breaking every binary, and library, on the system. I should emphasise that this was a cross-compiler from my peecee - I don't have enough disc space to install it *yet*. My new 4.3GB IDE should be arriving on Monday. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 30 21:17:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11319 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:17:16 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57710 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15891-16327>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:13:17 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971730-22264>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:09:39 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1406]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971728-22266>; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:08:38 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA11104; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:10:01 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199711302110.VAA11104@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: getting files to my acorn To: garanj@etoncomp.demon.co.uk (Garan Jenkin MSS) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:10:00 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Garan Jenkin MSS" at Nov 29, 97 04:00:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I have the following : > My mac running macos and MacBSD in one location on a PC network > My Acorn in a different location > > Both Mac and Acorn have Scsi, but not the PCs and I have an external disc. > > I have all the RPMS files downloaded onto a NT PC, which can easily be > transferred onto the mac and then onto scsi disc. Question is : what > format should I format the SCSI disc in? Mac? DOS? UFS? What will be > readable by the Acorn and preserve the long filenames? Well, I haven't tried it myself, but... Linux comes with the optional smbfs filesystem. This should allow you to mount the NT share as a filesystem. Unfortunately, I guess you'd need smbmount in order to do this, so that probably wouldn't work. Might be worth looking into though. I'm willing to compile up the goodies & send them to you if you fancy exploring this possibility. I can't test it myself since I have no `doze machines on my network. Alternatively, if you format the disc as ufs, the Linux kernel can handle this as a mountable filesystem. However, it's optional, so you will need a different kernel. Again, I'm willing to compile a specialised kernel for you. From Philip.Blundell@pobox.com Sun Nov 30 22:01:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org (exim@tazenda.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.239]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA11551 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:01:48 GMT Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #2) id 0xcIIp-0003ab-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:57:28 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: philip@vger.rutgers.edu (Philip Blundell), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: gcc In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:56:18 GMT." <199711302056.UAA11015@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:57:27 +0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO >tm.h declares TARGET_CPU_DEFAULT at line 1 - it's then redeclared in >config/arm/linux.h at line 34. I removed the warning by deleting the >first occurrence - you might want to put a guarding #undef in front of >the second define. I'll chase that one tomorrow. >Problem #2 >the default --prefix seems to be /usr whereas the binutils 2.8.1.0.15 >default to /usr/local, like the other GNU utilities do. So it doesn't That's not really a problem - just a slightly annoying quirk. >Problem #4 >You need to copy the *ARM* unistd.h into >/usr/local/arm-linuxaout/include/asm. This isn't explicitly stated - Actually, you ought to install the ARM kernel source and make the standard symlinks to PREFIX/arm-linuxaout/include/{asm, linux}. >and I'm not sure that it's really necessary since the SWI numbers are >unlikely to change - indeed, they can't without breaking every binary, >and library, on the system. Equally, you aren't likely to be able to compile much in the way of real code without the headers present, so I don't think it's a big problem. p.