From pb@nexus.co.uk Wed Oct 1 09:32:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from globe (nexusel.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.195]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA22184 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:31:59 +0100 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xGK4b-00059X-00; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:23:58 +0100 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xGK4E-0008D7-00; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:23:34 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: olof.backing@netinsight.se (Olof Backing), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: What libc in ARM Linux? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:16:31 BST." <199709291416.PAA07422@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:23:34 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO In message <199709291416.PAA07422@odie.barnet.ac.uk>, Matthew Wilcox writes: >libc 4. Since we do not yet have ELF, libc 5 is a no-go. Though, since >we wll presumably skip libc 5 and move straight to libc 6 once we do have >ELF, a case could be made for doing an a.out libc 5. It all depends if >someone feels it's worth the effort. It probably isn't. I think the effort would be better spent on doing an a.out libc6. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 1 23:01:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27109 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:01:36 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 42603]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9298-0>; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:00:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971382-239>; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:58:27 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3481]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971365-239>; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:57:20 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:55:53 +0100 Received: from marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Oct 97 22:57:48 BST Received: from oracle.ecs.soton.ac.uk.ecs.soton.ac.uk by marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Oct 97 23:06:16 BST Received: from caramon.armlinux.org by oracle.ecs.soton.ac.uk.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:56:02 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07197; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:47:57 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00371; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:47:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199710011947.UAA00371@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: What libc in ARM Linux? To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:47:43 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Oct 1, 97 09:23:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > I think the effort would be better spent on doing an a.out libc6. Why an a.out libc 6? Surely you have ELF almost going, don't you? I would rather drop a.out at libc 4 and move to ELF if at all possible (ELF is holding up work on a lot of areas at the moment). The sooner we have some sort of ELF the better. (And I don't want anyone saying 'well, you do it'... That would be like asking someone with no hands to lift a 10 tonne safe on their own! ;) ) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 2 10:05:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA30730 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:05:15 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 52020]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11331-0>; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:01:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971200-239>; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:59:20 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195] HELO globe ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1513]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971198-239>; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:59:03 -0400 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xGh00-0005yf-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:52:44 +0100 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xGgza-0005uy-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:52:18 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: What libc in ARM Linux? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:47:43 BST." <199710011947.UAA00371@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:52:18 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <199710011947.UAA00371@raistlin.armlinux.org>, Russell King - ARM Li nux Admin writes: >Philip Blundell writes: >> I think the effort would be better spent on doing an a.out libc6. > >Why an a.out libc 6? Surely you have ELF almost going, don't you? `Almost going' is a bit optimistic. I'm getting there but it's a slow business. Olof may be able to speed things along a little; the main problem is that I don't have any spare time to devote to it right now. The time slot I was supposed to get to work on the GNU toolchain got squeezed out by other things, unfortunately, and I don't know when I'll be able to arrange another. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 2 23:03:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA02727 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:03:14 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 24622]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19811-0>; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:57:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971529-239>; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:54:19 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3864]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971531-239>; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:54:04 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:55:44 +0100 Received: from marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Oct 97 22:57:55 BST Received: from oracle.ecs.soton.ac.uk.ecs.soton.ac.uk by marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Oct 97 23:06:23 BST Received: from caramon.armlinux.org by oracle.ecs.soton.ac.uk.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:56:11 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08371 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:48:13 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00796 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:47:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199710022147.WAA00796@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: ARM & ELF - the situation To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:47:51 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all. Some good news about ARM Ltd and ELF. Any rumours about ARM `not liking' someone else to define an ELF standard appears to be totally unfounded. I have just received an email that says (in as many words) that they would be happy to consider any *complete* ideas about ELF to incorporate into an ELF standard for ARM. So, in other words, if we all can work together and come up with a spec for ELF on ARM, then there's a chance that it may well become the official ELF standard for ARM. I think that this is possibly a unique oppotunity that we should grab hold of. What I mean by an ELF standard btw is the full works, not just a small section of it. I think that we should designate a different mailing list specifically for discussion of ARM ELF standard - not everyone subscribed to the vger mailing list is going to be interested in it. In fact, I would imagine that most people would not be. If someone wants to set up a separate mailing list, please do so, but mail this list so that all relevent people can join. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 4 00:16:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11663 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:16:14 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 53574]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15885-0>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:15:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971920-12694>; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:02:28 -0400 Received: from punt-2b.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.6] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 43364]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971949-12694>; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:01:26 -0400 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1215817; 3 Oct 97 23:47 BST Message-ID: <34357501.304E99B0@treblig.org> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:43:13 +0100 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.57 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Old machine kernel available Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I've just put up a kernel for the A440/R260 etc. It's available only via http at the moment at http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Image (http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Image.html has a link to that so that you can press shift-click on the link so Netscape downloads it as a file). It has Acorn SCSI (read only) built in, Acorn Ether1, Ether3, MFM. NFS, ext2, MSDOS and ADFS (Read only) file systems and has been configured to allow NFS root filesystems. WIERDO ALERT: F12 is mapped to space (space also works as space) - because the space key keeps failing on one of my machines. Its presently running happily on my A440/1 with root and swap on a 64MB MFM drive and on an R260 with 8MB of RAM with root fs on my PC via NFS and no swap. On both machines it will mount read only the ADFS filesystem on my Acorn SCSI card drives. Note: At the moment ARM Linux can't cope with R260's/A540's with more than 8MB of RAM because we don't know how Acorn has implemented it. It is A LOT faster on ARM 3 machines than previous versions - the downer is that there is the potential of some screen corruption at the moment from editors which use scrolling subwindows on the console - although this effect hasn't actually been observed. Another problem: The standard boot loader doesn't work on Risc OS 2. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 4 09:07:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14445 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:07:36 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 14876]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18256-0>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:07:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971968-12693>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 04:04:51 -0400 Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.13] HELO fm3.facility.pipex.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 40231]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971354-12694>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 04:04:35 -0400 Received: from 193.130.251.71 [193.130.251.71] by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) id 0xHOKI-0003g8-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:08:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pkent@argonet.co.uk (Paul Kent) Reply-To: pkent@argonet.co.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 3 Oct 97 20:57:37 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Installation problems from rootdisc+cd Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I am trying to install ArmLinux from the clan cd. I have managed finally to make a linux partition usuing partman, and have attempted to write a root disk (FTP'd from net) to floppy, but the floppy will not boot (in desparation i tried to boot from PC partition!) any suggestions where I'm going wrong?? running riscpc riscos3.7 strongarm 41Mb Ram 2 adfs hard drives, 1 cumana scsi i/f + 1 drive, 486sx25 2nd proc. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ pkent@argonet.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 4 17:07:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17303 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:07:51 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 11313]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1203-0>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:08:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971221-12694>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:05:31 -0400 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 18905]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971203-12693>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:05:16 -0400 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (RAA09304); Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:05:35 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:05:35 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: Ale Terlevich cc: "'ARM Mailing list'" Subject: Re: .rpm files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Ale Terlevich wrote: > man rpm ? > (Assuming you've installed the rpm-2.3-1a5.arm.rpm!) BTW, I find it rather b'zarre that an 'rpm' installation thingy is in rpm format. Since I couldn't use the normal RedHat methods of installing, and needed to install from floppies, I currently have 100meg (ish) of rpms and no way to install them, even though I have the 'rpm.rpm' distribution thingy. Can anyone tell me how I can install these things by hand please? I'm currently using the old 3-disc distribution that I found in the 'old-stuff' directory of the ftp site, and many of the binaries don't work (inc. bash and cpio). Thanks, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 4 17:29:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17465 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:29:33 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 5430]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1831-0>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:29:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971203-12693>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:27:00 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] EHLO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 58752]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971221-12693>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:26:44 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.8.7/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:28:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:28:34 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Phil Norman cc: "'ARM Mailing list'" Subject: Re: .rpm files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Phil Norman wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Ale Terlevich wrote: > > > man rpm ? > > (Assuming you've installed the rpm-2.3-1a5.arm.rpm!) > > BTW, I find it rather b'zarre that an 'rpm' installation thingy is in rpm > format. Since I couldn't use the normal RedHat methods of installing, > and needed to install from floppies, I currently have 100meg (ish) of > rpms and no way to install them, even though I have the 'rpm.rpm' > distribution thingy. > > Can anyone tell me how I can install these things by hand please? I'm > currently using the old 3-disc distribution that I found in the > 'old-stuff' directory of the ftp site, and many of the binaries don't > work (inc. bash and cpio). > Can you copy all of the .rpm files into your linux partition? If you do that, then the install/supplemental disks can read and install them. You just have to boot off these as described in the installation instructions. Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 4 18:24:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA17795 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:24:57 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 7506]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17963-0>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:23:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971288-12694>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:19:18 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1178]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971262-12694>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:18:56 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id SAA17362; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:19:25 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199710041719.SAA17362@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: .rpm files To: P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk (Phil Norman) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:19:22 +0100 (BST) Cc: A.I.Terlevich@durham.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Phil Norman" at Oct 4, 97 05:05:35 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > BTW, I find it rather b'zarre that an 'rpm' installation thingy is in rpm > format. Since I couldn't use the normal RedHat methods of installing, > and needed to install from floppies, I currently have 100meg (ish) of > rpms and no way to install them, even though I have the 'rpm.rpm' > distribution thingy. rpm is also distributed in .tar.gz format, and tar in shell archive format and gzip in uncompressed format. So with a bourne shell a compiler and patience you can dig out of any hole.. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Oct 5 03:35:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA21052 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 03:35:51 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35441]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20054-0>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 05:35:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971516-12693>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:32:57 -0400 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4636]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971535-12693>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:32:42 -0400 Received: from cordelia-102.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA07760; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 03:34:52 +0100 Message-Id: <9710050234.AA07760@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 03:31:44 BST X-Mailer: Pluto 0.30c for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: Questions about the release of ARM Linux on the Clan CD Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Greetings! I have been trying to get the release of ARM Linux on the Acorn Clan CD working on my RiscPC 600, RISC OS 3.5 without any luck, and feel in need of assistance. 1. The floppy discs images do not seem to work! Certainly the discs cannot be read by RISC OS after !WriteDisc has been used to copy root-rpc and sullement to them. Am I correct in thinking that these discs should be MS_DOS formatted to 1.44Mb? 2. I went to the ARM Linux web pages and retrieved the rpc kernel binary. According to the install file from the CD this is a 'self-extracting' gzip archive. Just how do I extract it then? Setting the file type to absolute and running it just gives an error; gzip doesn't want to know, and neither does SparkFS. 3. Even if I do get the floppy images correct, and can unpack the kernel binary, what do I do then? There is nothing in the docs directory to tell me actually how to install this software. 4. I am using a 1Gb disc under ICS IDEFS, partitioned into 2x500Mb partitions. I want to put ARM Linux onto the first 500Mb partition, but !PartMan dosn't seem to want to do anything at all with the disc. Can I use this configuration? All help gratefully received :-) JDL -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Oct 5 11:52:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23760 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:52:10 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 41504]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11595-0>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:52:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971589-12694>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:49:26 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] EHLO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 44601]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971583-12694>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:49:10 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.8.7/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:51:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:51:15 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: John Lagrue cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Questions about the release of ARM Linux on the Clan CD In-Reply-To: <9710050234.AA07760@mars.cableol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, John Lagrue wrote: > Greetings! > > 1. The floppy discs images do not seem to work! Certainly the discs cannot > be read by RISC OS after !WriteDisc has been used to copy root-rpc and > sullement to them. Am I correct in thinking that these discs should be > MS_DOS formatted to 1.44Mb? Yep, but after they've been writen to by !WriteDisc, they'll no longer be MSDOS formatted, they'll be minix formatted (IIRC) which the linux kernel will be able to read once it boots. > > 2. I went to the ARM Linux web pages and retrieved the rpc kernel binary. > According to the install file from the CD this is a 'self-extracting' gzip > archive. Just how do I extract it then? Setting the file type to absolute > and running it just gives an error; gzip doesn't want to know, and neither > does SparkFS. It self extracts itself whenever you run it, i.e. it operates in exactly the same way as an uncompressed kernel image, except that when it first boots, you have to wait for about 1 sec while it decompresses itself into memory. Don't try to decompress it yourself. > > 3. Even if I do get the floppy images correct, and can unpack the kernel > binary, what do I do then? There is nothing in the docs directory to tell > me actually how to install this software. you type !linux -bootkernel adfs::$.rpc-??? where adfs::$.rpc-??? is whatever you called your kernel. Don't give it any additional arguments, and it'll prompt you for the boot floppies as it needs them. Hope this is of some help! I don't know much about the partitioning program, but it is a bit clunky. Cheers, Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Oct 5 14:36:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24629 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:36:37 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 5728]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20344-0>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:37:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971621-12693>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:33:54 -0400 Received: from mail.tin.it ([194.243.154.39] EHLO fes3.cs.tol.it ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 59649]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971992-12693>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:33:23 -0400 Received: from riscpc (Monza4-53.tin.it [195.31.128.52]) by fes3.cs.tol.it (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA27669 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:35:41 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 12:22:35 +0200 From: Sergio Monesi To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: .rpm files Message-ID: <25fc3ed447%msergio@msergio.tin.it> In-Reply-To: Organization: None, AFAIK... X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message you wrote: > On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Phil Norman wrote: > > BTW, I find it rather b'zarre that an 'rpm' installation thingy is in rpm > > format. Since I couldn't use the normal RedHat methods of installing, > > and needed to install from floppies, I currently have 100meg (ish) of > > rpms and no way to install them, even though I have the 'rpm.rpm' > > distribution thingy. > Can you copy all of the .rpm files into your linux partition? If you do > that, then the install/supplemental disks can read and install them. You > just have to boot off these as described in the installation instructions. This is the way I did it. I created two partitions and then I let the installer format them, then I copied the RPMs in a partition setting the correct directory structure (RedHat/RPMS, RedHat/base) and finally installed everything from it. The 'instimage' directory on the FTP site contains a few useful programs, 'cp' for a start (but you can also go on with 'cat' if you prefer). Cheers, Sergio -- Sergio Monesi... char *email[]={"msergio@tin.it","sergio@freebsd.first.gmd.de"}; char *www[]={"http://bounce.to/sergio"}; /* no, it's not a joke, try it! */ // Star Trek XXVII - The Search for Shatner's Teeth. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 00:45:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA04464 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:44:57 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 44903]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4919-2937>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:45:01 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971571-12693>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:45:21 -0400 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 27232]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971093-12694>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:45:06 -0400 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (KAA07094); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:39:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:39:42 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: Sergio Monesi cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: .rpm files In-Reply-To: <25fc3ed447%msergio@msergio.tin.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Sergio Monesi wrote: > This is the way I did it. I created two partitions and then I let the > installer format them, then I copied the RPMs in a partition setting the > correct directory structure (RedHat/RPMS, RedHat/base) and finally installed > everything from it. Marvellous idea! It'll take hours copying all the rpm files across from RuskOS to linux, but it'll be worth it (I even have my old 210meg hard drive ripe for reformatting). Thanks for the tip :-) > The 'instimage' directory on the FTP site contains a few useful programs, > 'cp' for a start (but you can also go on with 'cat' if you prefer). actually, when I tried using 'cat' for copying files (of course, using sh since I had booted using the RedHat install discs and ctrl-Z-ed out), it wrote off my terminal, since cat decided to ignore my redirection and blat it all to the terminal. Weird. Ah well, I'll be using bash in no time with luck :-). Thanks for your help, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 02:47:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA05150 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:47:13 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 64273]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19482-2937>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:47:21 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971702-12694>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:32:00 -0400 Received: from mail.tin.it ([194.243.154.39] EHLO fes3.cs.tol.it ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52941]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971697-12693>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:31:45 -0400 Received: from riscpc (Monza5-3.tin.it [195.31.128.66]) by fes3.cs.tol.it (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA02430; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:32:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:36:26 +0200 From: Sergio Monesi To: Phil Norman Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: .rpm files Message-ID: <2413cfd447%msergio@msergio.tin.it> In-Reply-To: Organization: None, AFAIK... X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message you wrote: > > This is the way I did it. I created two partitions and then I let the > > installer format them, then I copied the RPMs in a partition setting the > > correct directory structure (RedHat/RPMS, RedHat/base) and finally > > installed everything from it. > Marvellous idea! It'll take hours copying all the rpm files across from > RuskOS to linux, but it'll be worth it (I even have my old 210meg hard > drive ripe for reformatting). Thanks for the tip :-) Since we are on the subject, you can also read them directly from RISC OS mounting the ADFS disc (eg. mount -t adfs /dev/hda4). A major problem I encountered with all these methods is that I had to rename the files to the original looong name which is quite a pain. To avoid this, after I had a basic installation running I immediately installed the unzip package, so I downloaded the RPMs from another Unix box or from RISC OS (using LongFiles) and then zipped them. From ARMLinux unzip maintained the original names! I also installed the PPP package as soon as possible and then I finished downloading some package directly from ARMLinux, the connection with my provider worked very well! > > The 'instimage' directory on the FTP site contains a few useful programs, > > 'cp' for a start (but you can also go on with 'cat' if you prefer). > actually, when I tried using 'cat' for copying files (of course, using sh > since I had booted using the RedHat install discs and ctrl-Z-ed out), it > wrote off my terminal, since cat decided to ignore my redirection and > blat it all to the terminal. Weird. Yes, you're right, I had a similar problem too! BTW: I copied the files using the second console (ALT-F2) after having loaded the supplemental disc from the Redhat installer. Cheers, Sergio -- Sergio Monesi... char *email[]={"msergio@tin.it","sergio@freebsd.first.gmd.de"}; char *www[]={"http://bounce.to/sergio"}; /* no, it's not a joke, try it! */ // Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk? From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 05:43:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA06112 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:43:11 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 7952]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20389-2937>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:41:57 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971748-12693>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:42:17 -0400 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4482]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971747-12693>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:42:02 -0400 Received: from cordelia-116.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA25225; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:44:54 +0100 Message-Id: <9710062044.AA25225@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:43:24 BST X-Mailer: Pluto 0.30d for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: More questions about installing ARM Linux Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thankyou for the help so far; but I still have more questions :-) When I first try running the !linux app with the -bootkernel switch with the rpc kernel that I retrieved from the ARM Linux pages it sems to start up OK, but then goes off trying to find hda and hdb partitions on my harddiscs, and never gets any further than slowly reporting that they don't appear to be there! Secondly, when I run !PartMan, I specify the IDEFS partition 7, and have to enter the Geometry as given to me by fsck. Fsck gives me the disc size in bytes, so !PartMan gets the logical disc size correct as 500Mb, with Sector size 512, heads 16, sectors 63 after I tell it that this must mean 1016 tracks. However, though it shows me the partition with start sector 0, end sector 1024127, it won't actually let me do anything. The 'New' menu option does not do anything at all. I presume that this is because it realises that the partition covers the whole logical disc, but I cannot see how to alter that. I am using ICS IDE card with 2x 1Gb drives, partitioned into 6 logical drives all smaller than 512Mb. RiscPC 600, RISC OS 3.5 Any thoughts or suggestions? JDL -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 08:32:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06926 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:32:32 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 21001]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12733-2937>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:33:13 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971839-12694>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:28:18 -0400 Received: from danablue.vision.auc.dk ([130.225.49.152] EHLO danablue.vision.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 37190]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971888-12693>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:23:45 -0400 Received: from thorsen.vision.auc.dk by danablue.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5.970211.1) id JAA28144; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:23:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (bme@localhost) by thorsen.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5-970304) id HAA11411; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:23:11 GMT Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:23:11 GMT Message-Id: <199710070723.HAA11411@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> From: Bernhard Mogens Ege To: Sergio Monesi cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: .rpm files In-Reply-To: <2413cfd447%msergio@msergio.tin.it> References: <2413cfd447%msergio@msergio.tin.it> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>>>> "Sergio" == Sergio Monesi writes: > Since we are on the subject, you can also read them directly from RISC > OS mounting the ADFS disc (eg. mount -t adfs /dev/hda4). True. > A major problem I encountered with all these methods is that I had to > rename the files to the original looong name which is quite a pain. To > avoid this, after I had a basic installation running I immediately > installed the unzip package, so I downloaded the RPMs from another > Unix box or from RISC OS (using LongFiles) and then zipped them. From > ARMLinux unzip maintained the original names! You dont have to preserve the original names. You dont even have to copy the rpm files from your ADFS disk to your ext2 disk. You can simply create links (names irrelevant) from your adfs disk to your ext2 disk and use your ext2 disk to install from. Just make sure the directory structure is intact (RedHat/Base, RedHat/RPMS). The installer doesn't care what names you give the rpm files. (I installed from zip-disc with 8.3 char names). However you will need the ln binary. > Cheers, Sergio Bernhard -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bernhard Mogens Ege, M.Sc.E.E. | | E-mail: bme@vision.auc.dk Laboratory of Image Analysis | /( | Direct call: +45 96 35 87 85 Institute of Electronic Systems | ._//( | Switchboard: +45 96 35 80 80 Aalborg University | / | \ | Fax: +45 98 15 40 08 Frederik Bajersvej 7, D1-205 | A A U | Homepage: DK-9220 Aalborg East | | http://www.vision.auc.dk/~bme ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Home: H.C.Andersens Vej 26 st.mf., DK-9000 Aalborg, Phone: +45 20 42 99 26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 08:36:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06936 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:36:09 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 21001]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13138-2937>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:36:30 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971850-12693>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:32:09 -0400 Received: from danablue.vision.auc.dk ([130.225.49.152] EHLO danablue.vision.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 37467]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971842-12693>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:31:48 -0400 Received: from thorsen.vision.auc.dk by danablue.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5.970211.1) id JAA28406; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:34:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (bme@localhost) by thorsen.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5-970304) id HAA11423; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:34:44 GMT Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:34:44 GMT Message-Id: <199710070734.HAA11423@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> From: Bernhard Mogens Ege To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: loopmount again X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I noticed the arrival of losetup and downloaded it right away (I just had to try). I installed it, and tried that little example mentioned in the man page (creating a 100K ext2 image and mounting it). It worked perfectly. :-) Then I tried copying a 1.44Mb dos-floppy image to the HD and tried loopmounting that. Again it worked perfectly. The I tried mounting my ADFS disk, and then loopmounted the root-rpc disk I had located in $.ARMLinux. This too worked perfectly. Now I had to try the real test. I loop-mounted my dos-image file located in $.PC486.drive_c. It failed. Doh! The mount phase failed. The losetup /dev/loop0 /mnt/adfs/PC486.drive_c did not complain. Mount complains about not being a msdos filesystem or a bad superblock (I think it was superblock). I tried creating other dos-image files, formatting them in various ways, but they all failed. Then I was looking into a way to create a dos-image file on my ext2 disk but I could not. mkdosfs complains about not being able to determine the geometry of the image file. I understand that, but how do I tell mkdosfs that? I guess that the image-file create by !PCConfig isn't exactly as mount -t msdos/vfat wants it. Can I correct that? Bernhard -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bernhard Mogens Ege, M.Sc.E.E. | | E-mail: bme@vision.auc.dk Laboratory of Image Analysis | /( | Direct call: +45 96 35 87 85 Institute of Electronic Systems | ._//( | Switchboard: +45 96 35 80 80 Aalborg University | / | \ | Fax: +45 98 15 40 08 Frederik Bajersvej 7, D1-205 | A A U | Homepage: DK-9220 Aalborg East | | http://www.vision.auc.dk/~bme ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Home: H.C.Andersens Vej 26 st.mf., DK-9000 Aalborg, Phone: +45 20 42 99 26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 10:09:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07464 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:09:24 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12856]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18033-2937>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:10:12 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971884-12694>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:06:10 -0400 Received: from [194.201.189.33] ([194.201.189.33] HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1368]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971855-12693>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:05:53 -0400 Received: from cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA02796; Tue, 7 Oct 97 10:11:22 GMT Message-Id: <343A09EF.A417A54C@cogency.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:07:43 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bernhard Mogens Ege Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: loopmount again References: <199710070734.HAA11423@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, The problem with loop mounting DOS image files is that they tend to be a partition table followed by the actual filing system. You need to find the offset to the start of the partition and pass this to losetup. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 20:30:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11387 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:30:11 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 13685]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18147-2937>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:28:44 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972075-12693>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:19:15 -0400 Received: from mail.tin.it ([194.243.154.39] EHLO fes3.cs.tol.it ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52862]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972084-12694>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:05:44 -0400 Received: from riscpc (Monza4-59.tin.it [195.31.128.58]) by fes3.cs.tol.it (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA19874 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:59:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:20:32 +0200 From: Sergio Monesi To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: EADFS and ARMLinux Message-ID: <56a72d547%msergio@msergio.tin.it> Organization: None, AFAIK... X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, I'm going to buy a biggish (>2Gb) IDE disc in order to install ARMLinux properly and have some more RISC OS space (I currently have a 540Mb disc). I want to leave 1Gb to ARMLinux and the rest for RISC OS but I'd like to use EADFS in order to have more RISC OS partitions (to keep the LFAU down and avoid wasting a lot of space!). Can I use EADFS with ARMLinux? I haven't EADFS now, so I don't even know how it works, I suppose it creates a 'main' ADFS partition and then either uses a partition table (probably pointed to by the ADFS bootblock) or simply uses a chained list of 'virtual' discs using bootblock pointers. Also, can I have RiscBSD and ARMLinux installed on the same disc? AFAIK both uses the ADFS bootblock to point their own partition, so it shouldn't be possible to do this... I prefer to avoid playing with /etc/disktab or similar dangerous stuff... Regards, Sergio PS: Is anybody going to write an EXT2FS for RISC OS? This will obviously solve all my (and many other people's) problems... -- Sergio Monesi... char *email[]={"msergio@tin.it","sergio@freebsd.first.gmd.de"}; char *www[]={"http://bounce.to/sergio"}; /* no, it's not a joke, try it! */ // Windows is the best $89 solitare game you can buy! From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 20:49:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11555 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:49:25 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 11018]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4102-2937>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:50:15 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972244-12694>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:45:35 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.vividimage.com ([207.110.16.1] EHLO mail.vividimage.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1117]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972054-12693>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:16:24 -0400 Received: from carlsbadpo.vividimage.com (carlsbadpo.vividimage.com [207.110.16.3]) by mail.vividimage.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13339 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:49:02 -0700 Received: by carlsbadpo.vividimage.com with Microsoft Mail id <343A6DAE@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com>; Tue, 07 Oct 97 10:13:18 PDT From: Michael Short To: "'ARM Mailing list'" Subject: EBSA-110 & Bootp Loader? Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 11:42:00 PDT Message-ID: <343A6DAE@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Is there a bootp loader that can be loaded into the flash memory, and be used I only have the bootp.aif or .axf or something like that.. as a program.. where can I get a bootp loader? or is what I have the only thing I need? plz help.. also what version of debugger should be running? Angel or Demon? thanx.. -M Short mshort@vividimage.com From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 21:13:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11751 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:13:52 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 32286]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10257-2937>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:13:52 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972064-12694>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:08:54 -0400 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 30483]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972148-12693>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:02:37 -0400 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (UAA23929); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:28:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:28:36 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Installing things again Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi again! Yet another email about installation problems. As a result of the horrible, hard-drive-numbing events that occurred while I was trying to install armlinux, my hard drive decided to go gaga, and fsck didn't want to cooperate. So as a result, I've taken the following steps so far: 1: Booting with the 2 floppies and pretending to install from hard drive. This was done only in order that I could reformat my hard drive. Since there was already a RedHat directory tree on the very partition I wanted to format, I told it to install things from that so that I could get to the formatting section. I reformatted the drive, and then the installer died screaming, yelling about problems finding the RedHat tree ;-). This is probably what caused the problem (a directory not being created or some such). 2: Booting again with floppies, and armed with a floppy containing 'cp' and 'unzip', I created a directory on my newly-formatted HD called 'RedHat', shoved all the RPMS in, instimage, base etc. All nice and funky so far. 3: Booting yet again with floppies, I went through the 'install from HD' thing again, again telling it to install from the same HD (now containing the RedHat tree). This time, of course, I didn't reformat the drive, but told it to 'install everything' in that selector thingy. However, as soon as I pressed OK, an error box popped up saying something to the effect of 'I couldn't create the rpm database file'. I assume this rpm database file has to go in a directory which should have been created after HD formatting, but wasn't because it screamingly died. So can anyone tell me what directories I have to create (or whatever else I have to do if my guess is wrong) to fix this problem? Thanks in advance, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 7 23:16:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12555 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:16:36 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 21765]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1249-2937>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:15:51 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972054-12693>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:11:15 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 60387]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972145-12694>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:06:32 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA05646 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:55:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Oct 97 22:57:28 BST Received: from oracle.ecs.soton.ac.uk.ecs.soton.ac.uk by marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Oct 97 23:06:04 BST Received: from caramon.armlinux.org by oracle.ecs.soton.ac.uk.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:55:58 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16464; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:09:38 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA00332; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:09:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199710071909.UAA00332@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: loopmount again To: bme@vision.auc.dk (Bernhard Mogens Ege) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:09:35 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199710070734.HAA11423@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> from "Bernhard Mogens Ege" at Oct 7, 97 07:34:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Bernhard Mogens Ege writes: > Now I had to try the real test. I loop-mounted my dos-image file located > in $.PC486.drive_c. It failed. Doh! The reason is that the dos image used by the PC is an image of a complete PC hard disk with BIOS partition table at the start. loop doesn't know about partition tables, and so when you try to mount it, it's not a valid dos fs. The valid dos fs is (around) one track into the image file, whatever a track is when talking about image files... Maybe the fatfs should be modified to take an offset parameter? [don't look at me to do that, but please do send patches...] _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 8 08:01:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA15338 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:01:07 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 15902]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19436-2937>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:01:29 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971599-12694>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:57:22 -0400 Received: from danablue.vision.auc.dk ([130.225.49.152] EHLO danablue.vision.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 54104]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971601-12693>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:57:06 -0400 Received: from thorsen.vision.auc.dk by danablue.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5.970211.1) id JAA12777; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:00:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (bme@localhost) by thorsen.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5-970304) id HAA21797; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:00:25 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:00:25 GMT Message-Id: <199710080700.HAA21797@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> From: Bernhard Mogens Ege To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: loopmount again In-Reply-To: <199710071909.UAA00332@raistlin.armlinux.org> References: <199710070734.HAA11423@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> <199710071909.UAA00332@raistlin.armlinux.org> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>>>> "Russell" == Russell King <- ARM Linux Admin > writes: > Bernhard Mogens Ege writes: >> Now I had to try the real test. I loop-mounted my dos-image file >> located in $.PC486.drive_c. It failed. Doh! > The reason is that the dos image used by the PC is an image of a > complete PC hard disk with BIOS partition table at the start. loop > doesn't know about partition tables, and so when you try to mount it, > it's not a valid dos fs. I see. > The valid dos fs is (around) one track into the image file, whatever a > track is when talking about image files... I made several attempts with different offsets, all with 512 bytes apart. The 17th attempt succeeded, i.e., the offset should be 17*512=8704. Hope this helps someone. > Maybe the fatfs should be modified to take an offset parameter? > [don't look at me to do that, but please do send patches...] I am looking for a way to say mount /mnt/dosc (like mount /mnt/adfs) to make linux mount that partition (extract the mising parts from /etc/fstab). It would need to issue the losetup command to do that. Would that be possible? Bernhard -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bernhard Mogens Ege, M.Sc.E.E. | | E-mail: bme@vision.auc.dk Laboratory of Image Analysis | /( | Direct call: +45 96 35 87 85 Institute of Electronic Systems | ._//( | Switchboard: +45 96 35 80 80 Aalborg University | / | \ | Fax: +45 98 15 40 08 Frederik Bajersvej 7, D1-205 | A A U | Homepage: DK-9220 Aalborg East | | http://www.vision.auc.dk/~bme ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Home: H.C.Andersens Vej 26 st.mf., DK-9000 Aalborg, Phone: +45 20 42 99 26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 8 09:10:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA15657 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:10:39 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 1852]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4202-2937>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:08:48 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971619-12693>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 03:57:00 -0400 Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk ([144.124.16.18] HELO ultra2.aber.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 37169]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971633-12693>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 03:56:42 -0400 Received: from osfa.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.21] (6001) by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xIr0m-0000nL-00; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:58:28 +0100 Received: by osfa.aber.ac.uk (5.65v3.2/aberclient-4.0) id AA20909; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:59:55 +0100 Message-Id: <9710080759.AA20909@osfa.aber.ac.uk> From: auj@aber.ac.uk (Alun "Da Penguin" Jones) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:59:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Mogens Ege (Oct 8, 7:00am) Organisation: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Bernhard Mogens Ege Subject: Re: loopmount again Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thusly Bernhard Mogens Ege scribed: > > I am looking for a way to say mount /mnt/dosc (like mount /mnt/adfs) to > make linux mount that partition (extract the mising parts from > /etc/fstab). It would need to issue the losetup command to do > that. Would that be possible? Recent versions of mount on the i386 version of Linux have a -oloop option to make it do the losetup for you. Maybe you could compile this up. Cheers, Alun. -- /P{def}def/E{curveto}P/N{moveto}P/G{lineto}P/U{setgray}P/I{fill}P/n{stroke}P (2V<;;F>H Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17487 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:03:59 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 30490]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4448-2937>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:04:14 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971721-12693>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:56:17 -0400 Received: from charity.harvard.net ([206.137.222.16] EHLO charity.harvard.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3897]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971719-12694>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:56:01 -0400 Received: from xedia.com (madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08662; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kona. by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13260; Wed, 8 Oct 97 08:58:02 EDT Received: by kona. (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00589; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:58:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:58:32 -0400 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <9710081258.AA00589@kona.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address From: Paul Koning To: bme@vision.auc.dk Cc: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: loopmount again References: <199710070734.HAA11423@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> <199710071909.UAA00332@raistlin.armlinux.org> <199710080700.HAA21797@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <19971008125617Z971721-12693+2331@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO >>>>> "Bernhard" == Bernhard Mogens Ege writes: >>>>> "Russell" == Russell King <- ARM Linux Admin > writes: >> Bernhard Mogens Ege writes: >>> Now I had to try the real test. I loop-mounted my dos-image file >>> located in $.PC486.drive_c. It failed. Doh! >> The reason is that the dos image used by the PC is an image of a >> complete PC hard disk with BIOS partition table at the start. >> loop doesn't know about partition tables, and so when you try to >> mount it, it's not a valid dos fs. Bernhard> I see. >> The valid dos fs is (around) one track into the image file, >> whatever a track is when talking about image files... Bernhard> I made several attempts with different offsets, all with Bernhard> 512 bytes apart. The 17th attempt succeeded, i.e., the Bernhard> offset should be 17*512=8704. Hope this helps someone. >> Maybe the fatfs should be modified to take an offset parameter? >> [don't look at me to do that, but please do send patches...] Well, losetup takes an offset parameter. The hassle is figuring out what the offset is. It turns out you can do it with fdisk: # dos disk image is in foo.dsk... fdisk foo.dsk x (to "expert" mode) p (print partition table in semi-raw form) q (quit) Look at the "start" column, that's the starting sector number of the partition. Multiply by 512, supply that as the -o argument of losetup. Done... paul From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 9 09:31:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24378 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:31:16 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 8288]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16317-2937>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:30:33 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972239-23749>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:25:32 -0400 Received: from mersey.hursley.ibm.com ([194.196.110.10] HELO hursley.ibm.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3673]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972247-23749>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:25:16 -0400 Received: by hursley.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA106933; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:28:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:28:52 +0100 Message-Id: <9710090828.AA106933@hursley.ibm.com> Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on vger.rutgers.edu: From: ""James O.Flynn"" ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted Organization: IBM Hursley Park X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 From: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: ELKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Don't suppose there is work underway for a Linux to run under the arm7 > Psion series 5? Is there talk of such a project? Regards, James -- 4920616d206e6f742061206e756d62657221 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 9 10:01:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24554 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:01:47 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 10860]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13127-2937>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:02:18 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972255-23750>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:56:53 -0400 Received: from [194.201.189.33] ([194.201.189.33] HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1582]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972241-23750>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:56:29 -0400 Received: from cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA04198; Thu, 9 Oct 97 10:02:14 GMT Message-Id: <343CAAC9.ACADC81E@cogency.co.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:58:33 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: j8flynn@hursley.ibm.com Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: (not) ELKS References: <9710090828.AA106933@hursley.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, There is at present no known effort to port ARM Linux (or ELKS) to the Psion or any other ARM7110 based machine. There should be very few technical problems however, and if one of these machines was to find its way to one of the ARM Linux developers with a stack of documentation about its hardware and a contact name for queries about its internals then there would be a very high chance of it getting ported. Dave P.S. For Linux I reckon the new Geofox PDA (a Psion 5 cloneish - licensed Psinos OS) is probably better, 16MB of RAM and a PCMCIA slot would make things a lot easier. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 9 13:23:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25822 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:23:56 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 14396]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15568-2937>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:24:26 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971537-23750>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:19:12 -0400 Received: from punt-1a.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.134] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 58966]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971533-23750>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:18:56 -0400 Received: from zamenhof.demon.co.uk ([158.152.88.96]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1410797; 9 Oct 97 13:10 BST Received: by zamenhof.demon.co.uk (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0xJHNl-000vThC; Thu, 9 Oct 97 13:07 BST Message-Id: From: Martin Radford Subject: Re: ELKS To: j8flynn@hursley.ibm.com Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:07:56 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9710090828.AA106933@hursley.ibm.com> from "j8flynn@hursley.ibm.com" at Oct 9, 97 09:28:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO j8flynn@hursley.ibm.com wrote: > >> Don't suppose there is work underway for a Linux to run under the arm7 >> Psion series 5? Is there talk of such a project? >Regards, >James I thought about this too, and mailed Russell about it. The only major problem I see is getting the Psion 5's operating system to give up control to Linux; however if we can get into Supervisor mode and modify the page tables appropriately, this should not be a problem. I've asked on Usenet and on the Psion forum on CompuServe regarding how easy it would be to achieve this under Psion's OS, but not received replies :-( Additionally, the usefulness of the port would be limited by the amount of memory available (max 8Mb). Is it possible to use the Compact Flash cards as swap, or is there a limit to the number of times the memory cells can be written to? BTW: I don't yet have a Series 5 (still saving up, tho' I may be able to get one this month) Martin -- Martin Radford | martin@zamenhof.demon.co.uk "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" - Linus Torvalds From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 9 13:40:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25842 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:40:44 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 13633]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9679-2937>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:40:26 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971539-23750>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:35:20 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1926]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971549-23749>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:34:44 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id NAA04930; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:36:11 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199710091236.NAA04930@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ELKS To: martin@zamenhof.demon.co.uk (Martin Radford) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:36:07 +0100 (BST) Cc: j8flynn@hursley.ibm.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Martin Radford" at Oct 9, 97 01:07:56 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > amount of memory available (max 8Mb). Is it possible to use the > Compact Flash cards as swap, or is there a limit to the number of > times the memory cells can be written to? About 10,000 times > BTW: I don't yet have a Series 5 (still saving up, tho' I may be able > to get one this month) Consider saving a bit longer. You can pick up 486 class machines that are pocket sized and far higher spec for a bit more. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 10 22:30:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06639 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:30:29 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 16255]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20424-2937>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:30:59 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971238-289>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:24:34 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1131]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971297-285>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:38:44 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xJjrI-00008J-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:32:20 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bernhard Mogens Ege cc: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: loopmount again In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:00:25 GMT." <199710080700.HAA21797@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:32:19 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I am looking for a way to say mount /mnt/dosc (like mount /mnt/adfs) to >make linux mount that partition (extract the mising parts from >/etc/fstab). It would need to issue the losetup command to do >that. Would that be possible? Newer mounts can do this automatically. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 10 23:56:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07317 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:56:36 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35668]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <14210-2937>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:57:27 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970799-289>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:53:55 -0400 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2588]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970793-289>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:53:39 -0400 Received: from cordelia-74.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AB28010; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:53:54 +0100 Message-Id: <9710102253.AB28010@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:40:35 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Pluto 0.30e for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thankyou for the help so far; but I still have more problems :-) When I first try running the !linux app with the -bootkernel switch with the rpc kernel that I retrieved from the ARM Linux pages it seems to start up OK, but then goes off trying to find the hda and hdb harddiscs, and never gets any further than slowly reporting that they don't appear to be answering some irq requests; it does however correctly identify the discs. It does not however recognise that they have been partitioned. Which leads me to my second worry: When I run !PartMan, I specify the IDEFS partition 7, and have to enter the geometry as given to me by fsck. Fsck gives me the disc size in bytes, so !PartMan gets the logical disc size correct as 500Mb, with Sector size 512, heads 16, sectors 63 after I tell it that this must mean 1016 tracks. However, though it shows me the partition with start sector 0, end sector 1024127, it won't actually let me do anything. The 'New' menu option does not do anything at all. I presume that this is because it realises that the partition covers the whole logical disc, but I cannot see how to alter that. I am using ICS IDE card with 2x 1Gb drives, partitioned into 6 logical drives all smaller than 512Mb. RiscPC 600, RISC OS 3.5 Any thoughs as to where I go from here? How do I persuade the kernel to look at my IDEFS partitions? Any thoughts or suggestions? JDL -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 11 14:53:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12476 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:53:27 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 28244]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12680-2937>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:55:12 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971155-285>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:53:43 -0400 Received: from lions.cableinet.net ([193.38.113.5] HELO lions.cableinet.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4392]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971154-285>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:53:27 -0400 Received: from zebedee.local (usr102-gat.cableinet.co.uk [194.117.153.111]) by lions.cableinet.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951211.SGI) via ESMTP id OAA28639 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:45:47 +0100 Received: from dougal (dougal.local [10.0.128.68]) by zebedee.local (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03755 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:59:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:40:25 +0100 From: Mark To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Advice on linux for an u/g A310 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, I want to install linux on my old A310 and would appreciate a little advice. It has a 36Mhz arm 3 upgrade and 4meg of ram. I've also got an ICS IDE interface with an 80meg drive spare. Which kernel should I use for this setup? and is 80meg enough hd space? It also only has the original akf11? display (i.e. not VGA). Is this enough? I mainly want to use it for demand-dial internet access and mail/news. I will need to get a serial port card and ethernet card so which of these are best supported? Thanks for any help, Mark. -- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 11 15:08:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12484 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:08:07 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 19033]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19869-2937>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:10:09 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971176-289>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:08:25 -0400 Received: from hermes.zynet.net ([194.154.160.251] EHLO hermes.zynet.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 42058]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971154-289>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:07:57 -0400 Received: from tme.zynet.co.uk (tme.zynet.co.uk [194.154.164.6]) by hermes.zynet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12738 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:08:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:07:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Carl Dakin Subject: Zip Drive Not Found To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I am trying to install Linux for the first time on my SA Risc PC. I have used the redhat distribution from the August 97 Acorn CDRom, this has been copied to a PC format Zip disc, every rpm file has an individual file name as stated in the instructions. When I come to selecting the Zip drive for installing linux from, it says that the device can not be found on the system. I have tried typing in ppa_base=0x278 but this makes no difference. Can anybody help? (I am using the versions of all the installation discs and supp. discs as on the Acorn CD). Many Thanks -- Carl Dakin TME - Xemplar Education Agents mailto:cdakin@tme.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 11 22:22:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15548 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:22:13 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 18778]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13402-2937>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:23:28 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971396-289>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 17:21:00 -0400 Received: from punt-1d.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.138] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 33376]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971400-289>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 17:19:21 -0400 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110747; 11 Oct 97 20:25 BST Message-ID: <343FD1AC.6FB28CBB@treblig.org> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:21:16 +0100 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.57 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Advice on linux for an u/g A310 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Mark wrote: > > Hello, > > I want to install linux on my old A310 and would appreciate a little > advice. It has a 36Mhz arm 3 upgrade and 4meg of ram. I've also got > an ICS IDE interface with an 80meg drive spare. Which kernel should > I use for this setup? and is 80meg enough hd space? It also only has > the original akf11? display (i.e. not VGA). Is this enough? Hi, If you have RISC OS 3 then this should be OK (although I've not tried ICS IDE - does anyone know the status of that??). The boot loader presently doesn't like RISC OS2; but that is not an insurmountable problem - I should be able to hack something together for that. With 4MB of RAM it will be a bit slow - I wouldn't try running X on it (actually I'll try it later to tell you how it goes...). 80MB of space is enough for a lot of things. Don't worry about the display, it will work - although again X might be hard going. > I mainly want to use it for demand-dial internet access and mail/news. > I will need to get a serial port card and ethernet card so which of > these are best supported? Well the good news on that is that an Acorn Ether1 or Ether3 card should work a treat. The bad news is I haven't finished porting the serial port driver to the old machines - so your dial up just ain't going to work. However the good part of the bad news is that I've started porting it - if you'd asked two or three weeks ago I'd have told you that there was no work done on it ! Perhaps I'll get some more work done on that tomorrow. The current known working old machines are: 1) An A440/1 with RISC OS3, ARM 3, MFM hard drives, and Acorn Ether 1 - he answers to the name 'klaatu'. He has 4MB OF RAM. 2) AN R260 (~=A540) with 8MB of RAM, RISC OS3, Acorn Ether3 - he answers to the name 'oaktree' and we are just trying to get his Acorn SCSI card working. I don't think anyone has successufully run IDE on the old machine syet - I think there may be some work which has to be done to stop the IDE code trying to mangle the A5000's IDE hardware which of course you haven't got. As for kernel versions, the 2.0.31-9 is the best bet; but you'l need some patches I can give you. The biggest problem is that there isn't a set of installation discs for the old machines yet. But if your a good Linux hacker you can easily get the machines going via netowrk rootfs and build things by hand. Things are improving. > > Thanks for any help, > > Mark. Dave > > -- -- ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 11 23:02:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA16016 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:02:08 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 57710]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13683-2937>; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:03:39 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971380-285>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:01:33 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 45437]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971408-289>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:00:49 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA20510; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:01:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Oct 97 19:26:57 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20290; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:27:24 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA00442; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:27:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199710110927.KAA00442@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux To: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:27:22 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9710102253.AB28010@mars.cableol.net> from "John Lagrue" at Oct 10, 97 11:40:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO John Lagrue writes: >--cut-- > I am using ICS IDE card with 2x 1Gb drives, partitioned into 6 logical > drives all smaller than 512Mb. RiscPC 600, RISC OS 3.5 >--cut-- > When I first try running the !linux app with the -bootkernel switch > with the rpc kernel that I retrieved from the ARM Linux pages it seems > to start up OK, but then goes off trying to find the hda and hdb > harddiscs, and never gets any further than slowly reporting that > they don't appear to be answering some irq requests; it does however > correctly identify the discs. This is a known problem, and a fax has been sent to Baildon Electronics. However, since I don't have an ICS interface card, I can't debug it. The obvious problems have been fixed to the docs that Baildon supplied, but it still doesn't work, and I don't know why. I am waiting a reply. > It does not however recognise that they have been partitioned. > Which leads me to my second worry: > When I run !PartMan, I specify the IDEFS partition 7, and have to > enter the geometry as given to me by fsck. Fsck gives me the disc > size in bytes, so !PartMan gets the logical disc size correct as > 500Mb, with Sector size 512, heads 16, sectors 63 after I tell it > that this must mean 1016 tracks. However, though it shows me the > partition with start sector 0, end sector 1024127, it won't actually > let me do anything. The 'New' menu option does not do anything at > all. I presume that this is because it realises that the partition > covers the whole logical disc, but I cannot see how to alter that. It may be possible to use the ICS partitioning scheme - in other words, use ICS partition manager to setup a two new partitions at the end of the disk (and when the Linux kernel works with the ICS IDE card properly) reformat these partitions to be ext2 and swap. I have no idea what ICS IDEFS will make of them though. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 11 23:02:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA16016 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:02:08 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 57710]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13683-2937>; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:03:39 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971380-285>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:01:33 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 45437]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971408-289>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:00:49 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA20510; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:01:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Oct 97 19:26:57 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20290; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:27:24 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA00442; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:27:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199710110927.KAA00442@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux To: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:27:22 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9710102253.AB28010@mars.cableol.net> from "John Lagrue" at Oct 10, 97 11:40:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO John Lagrue writes: >--cut-- > I am using ICS IDE card with 2x 1Gb drives, partitioned into 6 logical > drives all smaller than 512Mb. RiscPC 600, RISC OS 3.5 >--cut-- > When I first try running the !linux app with the -bootkernel switch > with the rpc kernel that I retrieved from the ARM Linux pages it seems > to start up OK, but then goes off trying to find the hda and hdb > harddiscs, and never gets any further than slowly reporting that > they don't appear to be answering some irq requests; it does however > correctly identify the discs. This is a known problem, and a fax has been sent to Baildon Electronics. However, since I don't have an ICS interface card, I can't debug it. The obvious problems have been fixed to the docs that Baildon supplied, but it still doesn't work, and I don't know why. I am waiting a reply. > It does not however recognise that they have been partitioned. > Which leads me to my second worry: > When I run !PartMan, I specify the IDEFS partition 7, and have to > enter the geometry as given to me by fsck. Fsck gives me the disc > size in bytes, so !PartMan gets the logical disc size correct as > 500Mb, with Sector size 512, heads 16, sectors 63 after I tell it > that this must mean 1016 tracks. However, though it shows me the > partition with start sector 0, end sector 1024127, it won't actually > let me do anything. The 'New' menu option does not do anything at > all. I presume that this is because it realises that the partition > covers the whole logical disc, but I cannot see how to alter that. It may be possible to use the ICS partitioning scheme - in other words, use ICS partition manager to setup a two new partitions at the end of the disk (and when the Linux kernel works with the ICS IDE card properly) reformat these partitions to be ext2 and swap. I have no idea what ICS IDEFS will make of them though. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 13 01:47:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26349 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:47:33 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 39020]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20349-17628>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:46:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971603-285>; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:43:13 -0400 Received: from lions.cableinet.net ([193.38.113.5] HELO lions.cableinet.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 27983]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971595-289>; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:42:58 -0400 Received: from zebedee.local (usr95-gat.cableinet.co.uk [194.117.153.104]) by lions.cableinet.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951211.SGI) via ESMTP id VAA20792 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:32:00 +0100 Received: from dougal (dougal.local [10.0.128.68]) by zebedee.local (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02539 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:50:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:30:43 +0000 From: Mark To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Advice on linux for an u/g A310 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <343FD1AC.6FB28CBB@treblig.org> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <343FD1AC.6FB28CBB@treblig.org> you wrote: > Mark wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I want to install linux on my old A310 and would appreciate a little > > advice. It has a 36Mhz arm 3 upgrade and 4meg of ram. I've also got > > an ICS IDE interface with an 80meg drive spare. Which kernel should > > I use for this setup? and is 80meg enough hd space? It also only has > > the original akf11? display (i.e. not VGA). Is this enough? > > Hi, > If you have RISC OS 3 then this should be OK (although I've not tried > ICS IDE - does anyone know the status of that??). The boot loader > presently doesn't like RISC OS2; but that is not an insurmountable > problem - I should be able to hack something together for that. I have got RO3.1 so no problem there. > > With 4MB of RAM it will be a bit slow - I wouldn't try running X on it > (actually I'll try it later to tell you how it goes...). I wasn't going to anyway. > 80MB of space is enough for a lot of things. Don't worry about the > display, it will work - although again X might be hard going. OK. > > I mainly want to use it for demand-dial internet access and mail/news. > > I will need to get a serial port card and ethernet card so which of > > these are best supported? > > Well the good news on that is that an Acorn Ether1 or Ether3 card should > work a treat. The bad news is I haven't finished porting the serial port > driver to the old machines - so your dial up just ain't going to work. > However the good part of the bad news is that I've started porting it - > if you'd asked two or three weeks ago I'd have told you that there was > no work done on it ! > Perhaps I'll get some more work done on that tomorrow. Is this the internal serial port? because I meant a h/s serial card because the internal on has never worked and is too slow anyway. I seem to recall something on the web pages about the Atomwide ones saying they work fine - is this not so? I don't have an ethernet card as yet so I will need to get one. Are the Acorn ones still available? > The current known working old machines are: > 1) An A440/1 with RISC OS3, ARM 3, MFM hard drives, and Acorn Ether 1 > - he answers to the name 'klaatu'. He has 4MB OF RAM. > > 2) AN R260 (~=A540) with 8MB of RAM, RISC OS3, Acorn Ether3 - he > answers to the name 'oaktree' and we are just trying to get his Acorn > SCSI card working. > > I don't think anyone has successufully run IDE on the old machine syet - > I think there may be some work which has to be done to stop the IDE code > trying to mangle the A5000's IDE hardware which of course you haven't > got. > As for kernel versions, the 2.0.31-9 is the best bet; but you'l need > some patches I can give you. > The biggest problem is that there isn't a set of installation discs for > the old machines yet. But if your a good Linux hacker you can easily get > the machines going via netowrk rootfs and build things by hand. > Things are improving. I've got a freeBSD system which I can use for that. > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Mark. > > Dave > > > > -- > Mark. -- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 13 01:50:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26353 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:50:23 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 6004]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10033-17628>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:48:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971603-289>; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:04:11 -0400 Received: from punt-2b.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.6] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 39944]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971595-289>; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:03:56 -0400 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1223326; 12 Oct 97 21:55 BST Message-ID: <3441383D.79B07002@treblig.org> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:51:09 +0100 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.57 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: X/ide on old machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, A few days ago Mark Wild asked about X and IDE on the old machinees (A400/A310/R260 etc.) - well here goes the reply. ***** This is being typed into a Netscape being displayed in X on my R260 - I had to run netscape with the -mono option (I don't think it likes the 4 bpp display). The kernel has IDE compiled in; but to stop it crashing the old machine s you have to put ide0=noprobe ide1=noprobe ide2=noprobe ide3=noprobe on the kernel line - I'm sending a tiny patch to Russ to fix this. I don't know what will happen if you but an IDE podule in - but I guess it will work. X on my A440 - 4MB of ram - works but is unbareably slow. Dave P.S. Please put up with more typos than normal - the backspace and delete are arguing with Netscape more than normal. - ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 13 11:20:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29600 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:20:48 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 52502]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12866-17628>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:20:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971796-289>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:17:46 -0400 Received: from mailserv.eidos.co.uk ([194.129.24.3] EHLO mailserv.eidos.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3503]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971792-285>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:17:39 -0400 Received: from 172.16.3.14 by mailserv.eidos.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id TBFDG97B; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:18:03 +0100 Received: from bunuel.eidos.co.uk (bunuel [172.16.3.13]) by scott.eidos.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28726 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:53:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:15:44 +0100 (BST) From: Brian Brunswick Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9710102253.AB28010@mars.cableol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Eidos Technologies Ltd. +44 181 636 3398 X-PersonalHomePage: http://www.skarpsey.demon.co.uk/ X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.29] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In on Fri 10 Oct, John Lagrue wrote: > Thankyou for the help so far; but I still have more problems :-) > > When I first try running the !linux app with the -bootkernel switch > with the rpc kernel that I retrieved from the ARM Linux pages it seems > to start up OK, but then goes off trying to find the hda and hdb > harddiscs, and never gets any further than slowly reporting that > they don't appear to be answering some irq requests; it does however > correctly identify the discs. It does not however recognise that they > have been partitioned. Which leads me to my second worry: > I just begun playing about with it (spurred by the clan disk) and this happens to me about 50% of the time on a Risc PC 700 with normal IDE. Maybe theres a timing problem with something getting in the way of the bootloader startup (adfsbuffers?) At the moment I'm stuck because the install disks refuse to set up the boot map or something at the last stage of install because they can't find a kernel - where am I supposed to put the kernel in the install tree for it to find it? I've been unable to read any man pages for loadmap because they're all packaged up, of course, and I haven't had the energy to manually unpackage them (I vaguely remember rpms are just compressed archives) When I manually told the kernel booted from adfs to go for the correct root partition it got as far as a login prompt, but there wasn't a root password. I went back to the install disks and added one, but now it just drops back to login immediately again. Then I went home. It doesn't seem to understand the EtherH card that I have (which RiscBSD did work with) so I went with the route of tarring all the install tree up on the RiscBSD system, putting it on adfs, then unpacking it to a manually made partition using the command prompt from the install disks. Only slight hassles with the irritating redhat compressed install environment, but then I've been through that fight on 86s. cpio -H tar turned out useful - something I wasn't aware that it did. -- The past is a fading dream, the future mere speculation - live for the moment! Brian Brunswick bdb@eidos.co.uk Disclaimer. Short sig rules OK From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 13 11:37:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29671 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:37:50 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: TIMEDOUT [port 35354]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12779-17628>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:37:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971797-285>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:34:48 -0400 Received: from lions.cableinet.net ([193.38.113.5] HELO lions.cableinet.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 18330]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971796-285>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:34:33 -0400 Received: from zebedee.local (usr9-gat.cableinet.co.uk [194.117.153.18]) by lions.cableinet.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/951211.SGI) via ESMTP id LAA03550 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:21:47 +0100 Received: from dougal (dougal.local [10.0.128.68]) by zebedee.local (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19721 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:42:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:22:44 +0000 From: Mark To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: I3 Ethernet cards Message-ID: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, Can anyone tell me if the I3 Etherlan 600 ethernet card on and A310 is supported by ARMLinux yet? Thanks, Mark Wild. -- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 13 21:34:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01178 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:34:43 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 41743]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13206-17628>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:32:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971913-285>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:25:50 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.vividimage.com ([207.110.16.1] EHLO mail.vividimage.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1409]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971907-285>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:25:18 -0400 Received: from carlsbadpo.vividimage.com (carlsbadpo.vividimage.com [207.110.16.3]) by mail.vividimage.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25441 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:26:56 -0700 Received: by carlsbadpo.vividimage.com with Microsoft Mail id <3442517B@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:51:07 PDT From: Michael Short To: "'ARM Mailing list'" Subject: RE: Advice on linux for an u/g A310 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 11:19:00 PDT Message-ID: <3442517B@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO is this an Amiga 310 or Acorn 310? I have Linux for the Acorn.. -M Short mshort@vividimage.com -----Original Message----- Hello, I want to install linux on my old A310 and would appreciate a little advice. It has a 36Mhz arm 3 upgrade and 4meg of ram. I've also got an ICS IDE interface with an 80meg drive spare. Which kernel should I use for this setup? and is 80meg enough hd space? It also only has the original akf11? display (i.e. not VGA). Is this enough? I mainly want to use it for demand-dial internet access and mail/news. I will need to get a serial port card and ethernet card so which of these are best supported? Thanks for any help, Mark. -- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 13 21:37:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01182 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:37:39 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 18964]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12716-17628>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:36:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971920-285>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:30:38 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.vividimage.com ([207.110.16.1] EHLO mail.vividimage.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1823]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971916-285>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:30:04 -0400 Received: from carlsbadpo.vividimage.com (carlsbadpo.vividimage.com [207.110.16.3]) by mail.vividimage.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25587 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:31:58 -0700 Received: by carlsbadpo.vividimage.com with Microsoft Mail id <344252A9@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:56:09 PDT From: Michael Short To: "'ARM Mailing list'" Subject: Whoopz Again.. Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 11:26:00 PDT Message-ID: <344252A9@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Boy I am becoming a reglar.. posting with out figuring what the heck is going on.. I was just reading mail from a mailing list in which programmers deveolp things on diffrent platforms.. including the Amiga, and Arm, etc.. I did not realize that I was reading into the Arm mailing list already.. I thought I was still reading from another mailing list.. my appologies again.. for my last message.. I am not aware of the Amiga family, or the models, I do no of the Acorn 310.. so I figured I could try to help.. I figured I could point them in the right direction if the needed linux info for an Acorn machine.. little did I realize I was reading and replying to an Arm linux question.. Stupid ME.. so I basically shoul not worry about it because if they are on this list, then they know whats going on probably.. my appologiez once again.. I am once again embarassed.. sheesh.. I hope this isn't the start of another horrible week for me.. sorry again,, -M Short From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 14 08:19:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05449 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:19:35 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 38216]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4903-17628>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:18:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971995-285>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:23:24 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 58798]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972038-289>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:13:56 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA26982; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:13:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Oct 97 23:15:15 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24049; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:50:27 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00383; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:50:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199710132050.VAA00383@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Whoopz Again.. To: mshort@vividimage.com (Michael Short) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:50:17 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <344252A9@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> from "Michael Short" at Oct 13, 97 11:26:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Michael Short writes: > Boy I am becoming a reglar.. posting with out figuring what > the heck is going on.. > ... Don't worry - I know of three people at work (including myself) who have had a very bad day this Monday - it's not just you. Maybe it's the start of a Martian invasion plan to confuse us... Now emmm, what was I errr saying? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 14 14:09:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07881 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:09:07 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 54049]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4463-17628>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:07:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972123-285>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:05:26 -0400 Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.51] EHLO cheviot.ncl.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 43232]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972114-289>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:05:10 -0400 Received: from burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:06:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from aidan.ncl.ac.uk (n5830472@aidan.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.1]) by burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk (8.7.6/8.6.10-cf revision 2 for Solaris 2.x) with SMTP id OAA29921; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:06:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (n5830472@localhost) by aidan.ncl.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.10-cf revision 1 for Solaris 2.x) id OAA06087; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:06:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:06:24 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S.MCGough" To: Dave Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Old machine kernel available In-Reply-To: <34357501.304E99B0@treblig.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Dave Gilbert wrote: > Hi, > I've just put up a kernel for the A440/R260 etc. It's available > only via http at the moment at > http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Image > (http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Image.html has a link to that > so that you can press shift-click on the link so Netscape downloads > it as a file). Ok I've downloaded the file but have a few questions before I try some things.... I want to run it on a few R260's (pretty standard modles no extras), so think that this will be the best kernel to try. > It has Acorn SCSI (read only) built in, Acorn Ether1, Ether3, MFM. > NFS, ext2, MSDOS and ADFS (Read only) file systems and has been > configured to allow NFS root filesystems. Cool - looks as though this will give me most of the stuff I need. Though what is the problem with the Acorn SCSI being read-only? can I put arm-linux bins on it or not? Also how do I configure where the nfs mount for / should go? > WIERDO ALERT: F12 is mapped to space (space also works as space) - > because the space key keeps failing on one of my machines. Strange - but not unwarented - how is this done as the shift keys have gone on a few of the keyboards here. And in general how do I compile kernels - I've been reading the group for a while but I'm still not clear on what to do, I've got a pc running linux if cross compiling is the best way - but how do I set this up? > Its presently running happily on my A440/1 with root and swap on a > 64MB MFM drive and on an R260 with 8MB of RAM with root fs on my PC via > NFS and no swap. On both machines it will mount read only the ADFS > filesystem on my Acorn SCSI card drives. Anyone know if the R260 has an MFM interface - cos I got some of these drives spare. > Note: At the moment ARM Linux can't cope with R260's/A540's with more > than 8MB of RAM because we don't know how Acorn has implemented it. > It is A LOT faster on ARM 3 machines than previous versions - the downer > is that there is the potential of some screen corruption at the moment > from editors which use scrolling subwindows on the console - although > this effect hasn't actually been observed. > > Another problem: The standard boot loader doesn't work on Risc OS 2. Where can I get a working boot loader from / patches to correct the current one? steve.. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 14 14:27:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08106 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:27:31 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 25900]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19501-17628>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:26:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972132-289>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:22:51 -0400 Received: from [194.201.189.33] ([194.201.189.33] HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1257]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972127-289>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:22:11 -0400 Received: from cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA01652; Tue, 14 Oct 97 14:26:09 GMT Message-Id: <3443801E.8EE9B24A@cogency.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:22:22 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "A.S.MCGough" Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Old machine kernel available References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO A.S.MCGough wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Dave Gilbert wrote: > > > Hi, > > I've just put up a kernel for the A440/R260 etc. It's available > > only via http at the moment at > > http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Image > > (http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Image.html has a link to that > > so that you can press shift-click on the link so Netscape downloads > > it as a file). > > Ok I've downloaded the file but have a few questions before I try some > things.... Sure.... > I want to run it on a few R260's (pretty standard modles no extras), so > think that this will be the best kernel to try. I'd be interested in knowing two things about your R260's 1) How much RAM have they got? - the kernel doesn't know about more than 8MB because we don't know what Acorn have done to the hardware to do it. 2) What hard drives have they got (If you could give me the output of *devices) - we appear to have found a firmware bug in the one in my R260. So I'm interested in the version as well. 3) YOu don't happen to have any spare RAM cards/semidead R260s? If I could get hold of another RAM card I might be able to get it going with 12MB or more. > Cool - looks as though this will give me most of the stuff I need. Though > what is the problem with the Acorn SCSI being read-only? can I put > arm-linux bins on it or not? Also how do I configure where the nfs mount > for / should go? At the time I built the kernel the code was broken; Russ has now fixed it. We now have working writes to Acorn SCSI (I' ll build a new kernel tonight and put it up) - although using them on the hard drive in my R260 causes problems due to the above mentioned firmware bug. (Russ can you do us a work around?) he NFS mount options are the same as for Linux/x86. > > WIERDO ALERT: F12 is mapped to space (space also works as space) - > > because the space key keeps failing on one of my machines. > > Strange - but not unwarented - how is this done as the shift keys have > gone on a few of the keyboards here. In arch/arm/drivers/char there is a keymap file; find the key you want, find the entry for what you want it to do and change the table. > And in general how do I compile > kernels - I've been reading the group for a while but I'm still not clear > on what to do, I've got a pc running linux if cross compiling is the best > way - but how do I set this up? OK - get the standard GCC-2.7.2.2 source and binutils source, apply the patches on the arm linux web site and build. NOTES: 1) The gcc-2.7.2.2 patch has a screwup in it; it will ask you if you want to reverse a patch - DO NOT REVERSE THE PATCH 2) Edit the gcc/config/arm/t-linux file; there is a line which says something like: LIBGCC1=libgcc1-asm.a add a line which is the same but reads CROSS_LIB............. (as other line) There is a line which says m2/m3/m6/m7 remvoe the /m7. Build binutils and then gcc, configured for arm-unknown-linuxaout and then edit the kernel makefile for the cross compile tools to point to where you put your bins, and then follow the README.arm file as normal. > Anyone know if the R260 has an MFM interface - cos I got some of these > drives spare. The R260 doesn't as standard but you can add a card, and you might still be able to find some. > > Another problem: The standard boot loader doesn't work on Risc OS 2. > > Where can I get a working boot loader from / patches to correct the > current one? Well I think I might have a hacked one - I'll dig it out! (Damn - I don't think it allowed you to edit the command line options for NFS mount...) (Russ - do you know what is needed to make your boot loader work?) > > steve.. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 14 16:23:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08895 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:23:18 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 3864]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11176-17628>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:22:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972160-406>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:20:36 -0400 Received: from vacim.scg.man.ac.uk ([130.88.94.96] HELO vacim.scg.man.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1042]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972170-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:10:30 -0400 Received: (from richard@localhost) by vacim.scg.man.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09717 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:33:15 +0100 From: "S. Richard Grint" Message-Id: <199710141333.OAA09717@vacim.scg.man.ac.uk> Subject: ICS IDE ... To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:33:15 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I`ve been trying to get armlinux running on my A3000, but I`ve encountered a problem. The ICS IDE driver (for 2.0.30) crashes during initialisation. The crash occurs when the kernel is trying to write a byte to a hardware register with outb(unsigned char c,int address) in linux/arch/arm/lib/io.S The function is entered as outb(&A0,&1F6) which I think causes ?&30107D8=&A0 or its equiv at least. Isn`t that address mapped to a location within the RISC OS ROMS? Anyone got any ideas of the problem? Rich From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 14 16:24:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08900 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:24:34 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 3864]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1225-17628>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:23:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972164-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:21:29 -0400 Received: from vacim.scg.man.ac.uk ([130.88.94.96] HELO vacim.scg.man.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1042]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972172-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:10:33 -0400 Received: (from richard@localhost) by vacim.scg.man.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09817 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:54:15 +0100 From: "S. Richard Grint" Message-Id: <199710141354.OAA09817@vacim.scg.man.ac.uk> Subject: ICS IDE ... To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:54:15 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I`ve been trying to get Armlinux to run on my A3000 (with ICS IDE) but have been having a problem. The kernel, while initialising the ICS IDE driver hangs, completely halting the machine (even the cursor ceases to flash). Further investigation revealed that the kernel (2.0.30) attempts to write a byte to a hardware register using outb(unsigned char c,int address) found within linux/arch/arm/lib/io.S in the kernel source. The function is invoked by outb(&a0,&1f6) which I think is the same as ?&30107D8=&A0 in BASIC terms. Isn`t this location mapped to within the RISC OS ROMs? Anyone any ideas? Rich From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 14 16:45:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09140 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:45:22 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 26155]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12426-17628>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:43:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972166-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:40:44 -0400 Received: from [194.201.189.33] ([194.201.189.33] HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1270]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972192-406>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:35:39 -0400 Received: from cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA01746; Tue, 14 Oct 97 16:35:07 GMT Message-Id: <34439E59.3FFDC295@cogency.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:31:21 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "S. Richard Grint" , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ICS IDE ... References: <199710141354.OAA09817@vacim.scg.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, On the kernel boot line add: ide0=noprobe ide1=noprobe ide2=noprobe ide3=noprobe and see what happens. We have a fix which is presently being rolled into the source. (Your problem is that its trying to probe the IDE hardware that is present on the A5000). Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 14 18:58:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10030 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:58:16 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 53528]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9977-17628>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:56:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972216-406>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:55:31 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.vividimage.com ([207.110.16.1] EHLO mail.vividimage.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1537]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972212-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:55:15 -0400 Received: from carlsbadpo.vividimage.com (carlsbadpo.vividimage.com [207.110.16.3]) by mail.vividimage.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01720 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:55:49 -0700 Received: by carlsbadpo.vividimage.com with Microsoft Mail id <34439BAF@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com>; Tue, 14 Oct 97 09:19:59 PDT From: Michael Short To: "'ARM Mailing list'" Subject: Compiling Kernel on Risc PC Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 10:48:00 PDT Message-ID: <34439BAF@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Has anyone been successful compiling a Linux kernel on Risc PC? I have not tryed compiling a kernel on my i386 Machine, but when I try to compile the 2.0.30 kernel on my risc PC using gcc, and the other utils provided with the arm linux distrib, I get errors.. I have gotten recently an error that says there is a fatal internal compiler error? I tried compiling a kernel previously, and it compiled and linked OK, but when I went to load it it from a floppy, it read from the floppy for about 30 seconds, the screen blinked, and then my risc PC rebooted.. after that I have not been able to succesfully compile again.. I used the upgrade option to try and update any/all files that may be corrupted, or missing with the redhat installation.. I then tried compiling again, and nothing :( Has anyone had similar problems? I have thought of killing everything, and trying a clean install.. anyone have any Ideas? I can recreate the problem iof anyone wants to know what the exact error said.. anything that will help me out would be appreciated.. -M Short mshort@vividimage.com From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 14 22:24:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA11658 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:24:20 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 43051]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13232-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:22:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972245-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:20:39 -0400 Received: from [168.176.37.11] ([168.176.37.11] HELO fps.biblos.unal.edu.co ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3527]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972236-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:19:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA02262; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:59:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: "FABIAN PATINO (BIANCCIO)" To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: John Lagrue , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: <199710110927.KAA00442@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have a problem whit my linux instalation: the instalation disk can not see my sound blaster. what can i do to install linux from my cd? From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 01:20:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13259 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:20:52 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 47922]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11224-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:19:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972365-406>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:06:44 -0400 Received: from punt-2b.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.6] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 46059]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972387-406>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:42:40 -0400 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0618387; 14 Oct 97 22:14 BST Message-ID: <3443DF9E.23F1E978@treblig.org> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:09:50 +0100 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.57 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: More kernels for old machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, Well there are two new kerenls up - follow http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Image.html The one marked 'IDE' is to try on that A310 with ICS IDE. The one for the R260 is a BIG kernel - lots of drivers - might have problems on 4MB of RAM. But it should boot most things with enough RAM. (Its been a bad evening, I found a boot loader which will work on RISC OS 2, but can't get it to work rebuilt from source. I'm pretty sure it won't work on 8MB of RAM machines - and now the R260 won't do anything with its SCSI hard disc........). Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 01:21:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13266 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:21:55 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 4393]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15911-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:20:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972357-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:53:44 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 48879]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972383-406>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:18:19 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA24011; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:35:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Oct 97 23:37:51 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26654; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:16:41 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA00426; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:16:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199710142216.XAA00426@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Compiling Kernel on Risc PC To: mshort@vividimage.com (Michael Short) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:16:36 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <34439BAF@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> from "Michael Short" at Oct 14, 97 10:48:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Michael Short writes: > I have not tryed compiling a kernel on my i386 Machine, but when I try to > compile the 2.0.30 kernel on my risc PC using gcc, and the other utils > provided with the arm linux distrib, I get errors.. I strongly suggest that you use the latest 2.0.31pre9 code. > I have gotten recently an error that says there is a fatal internal > compiler error? I have seen some of these, normally a signal 11 or something similar. In earlier kernels, I have found that the cache flush wasn't working correctly on the SA, thus causing the cache to become inconsistent with the page mappings. > I tried compiling a kernel previously, and it compiled and linked OK, but > when I went to load it it from a floppy, it read from the floppy for about > 30 seconds, the screen blinked, and then my risc PC rebooted.. It sounds like you didn't set the architecture/processor correctly. Check README.arm and arch/arm/Makefile. > after that I have not been able to succesfully compile again.. You should be able to restart the make, and it should continue properly. I only saw this error about once every 5 kernel compilations. Are you seeing it more frequently? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 01:36:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13274 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:36:30 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 42030]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10341-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:34:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972296-406>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:00:06 -0400 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4323]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972410-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:57:29 -0400 Received: from cordelia-108.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA16144; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:23:42 +0100 Message-Id: <9710142323.AA16144@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:22:46 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Pluto 0.31 for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > This is a known problem, and a fax has been sent to Baildon > Electronics. However, since I don't have an ICS interface card, I > can't debug it. The obvious problems have been fixed to the docs that > Baildon supplied, but it still doesn't work, and I don't know why. I > am waiting a reply. OK. Many thanks for your help so far; I will wait to hear from you. [snip] > It may be possible to use the ICS partitioning scheme - in other > words, use ICS partition manager to setup a two new partitions at the > end of the disk (and when the Linux kernel works with the ICS IDE card > properly) reformat these partitions to be ext2 and swap. I have no > idea what ICS IDEFS will make of them though. Hhhmmmm. I have managed to get rather further now. If I supply the extra commands "hda=noprobe hdb=noprobe" to the rpc kernel at boot time then it all boots OK, accepts the boot floppy disc and then kicks off the RedHat installation. Of course at this point it all grinds to a halt because the Linux sources (the RPMs) are all in an X-files archive on the CDROM and I have now no idea of what to do with them or how to get the installation to read them. Any further pointers would be very gratefully accepted :-) JDL -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 01:42:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13419 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:42:20 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 47922]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10956-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:39:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972347-406>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:05:08 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 50026]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972317-404>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:00:28 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA24015; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:35:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Oct 97 23:37:55 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26664; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:20:06 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA00444; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:20:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199710142220.XAA00444@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux To: fmpatino@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (FABIAN PATINO) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:20:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: rmk@diana.ecs.soton.ac.uk, jdl@cableol.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "FABIAN PATINO" at Oct 14, 97 03:59:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO FABIAN PATINO writes: > I have a problem with my linux instalation: the instalation disk can > not see my sound blaster. what can i do to install linux from my cd? What soundblaster? In what way does it not find your CD. Is your CD drive found, or does it say that the drive does not contain a RedHat CD? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From port-arm32-owner-MRW103=UNIX.YORK.AC.UK@NetBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 10:26:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from pump2.york.ac.uk (pump2.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.12]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16255 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:26:40 +0100 Received: from mail.NetBSD.ORG (homeworld.cygnus.com [205.180.83.70]) by pump2.york.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19136 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:27:06 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 7971 invoked by uid 605); 15 Oct 1997 09:19:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 7961 invoked from network); 15 Oct 1997 09:19:00 -0000 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (crp02@129.215.166.17) by homeworld.cygnus.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 1997 09:19:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (crp02@localhost) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA29131 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:18:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:18:35 +0100 (BST) From: Daniel Brown To: port-arm32@NetBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't install shared 1.2 release In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: port-arm32-owner@NetBSD.ORG Precedence: list Delivered-To: port-arm32@NetBSD.ORG Status: RO Take a peek in ftp://ftp.ph.kcl.ac.uk/pub/acorn/RiscBSD/private/acorncd/sets/ for a complete Xarm30 set, as well as pine, and joe if you're in need of those. > I downloaded the new kernel and installed from > that okay - but Xarm30 didn't seem to be complete. > I'll try that again today. Dan. -- Daniel Brown, Dept. of Chemistry, Univ. of Edinburgh, West Mains Road, Edinburgh, EH16 5AW Tel. +44(0)-131-650-4816 Fax +44(0)-131-650-4743 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 13:01:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17123 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:01:28 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 62776]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4876-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:00:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972360-406>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:59:04 -0400 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 6151]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972357-406>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:58:49 -0400 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (MAA18200); Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:57:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:57:39 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: John Lagrue cc: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: <9710142323.AA16144@mars.cableol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, John Lagrue wrote: > Hhhmmmm. > > I have managed to get rather further now. If I supply the extra commands > "hda=noprobe hdb=noprobe" to the rpc kernel at boot time then it all boots > OK, accepts the boot floppy disc and then kicks off the RedHat > installation. Of course at this point it all grinds to a halt because the > Linux sources (the RPMs) are all in an X-files archive on the CDROM and I > have now no idea of what to do with them or how to get the installation to > read them. > > Any further pointers would be very gratefully accepted :-) Here's what I did. Firstly, you have a choice - you can keep the filenames as they are (ie use LongFileNames), or not. It doesn't matter. However, following these instructions you'll be copying large numbers of files into directories, and LongFileNames cannot cope with more than a certain number of these. I think possibly the limit is 32, but I've not checked. If you're not using long filenames, 77 is, of course, the limit. Anyway, copy batches of RPMs into directories on your ADFS hard drive (this is all in RiscOS so far). You need to do this because, of course, linux can't read x-files archives. If you're using longfilenames, you will then have to zip up the contents of each of these directories, since otherwise under linux the filenames will appear as '(C)JPT__01' or something similar. If you're not using longfilenames, you will be able to just copy the rpm files across in one big go. OK - you've created all the zip files - now get hold of some useful linux binaries (cp and unzip are very useful) and put them on a floppy. Don't try just leaving them on your adfs disc, since linux will not allow you to execute anything off the adfs drive, and you won't be able to copy the binaries from the adfs drive to your linux drive because you won't be able to execute 'cp'. Oh, and 'cat file > copy_destination' will probably not work - it didn't for me. You will also need to obtain (well, you may not need these, but I got them just incase) the 'base' set and 'instimage' set off the ftp site. What I did was to ftp all the binaries, and create a zip file of each. YOu can then put these zip files on your adfs drive. Now boot into linux, choose 'install off hard drive image', do that funky stuff with eh supplemental disc, and then when it gets to the opint where you have to choose what HD to install off, type 'ctrl-z'. Now you can mount your ext2 drive, adfs drive and floppy. Create the directories 'RedHat' and 'RedHat/RPMS' on your ext2 hard drive. Now cd into the RedHat directory and type: /floppy/unzip /adfs/ARMLinux/base.zip /floppy/unzip /adfs/ARMLinux/instim.zip Substituting 'adfs' for the directory in which you've mounted your adfs partition and the rest of the path as where to find the zip files. Then enter the 'RedHat/RPMS' directory and do a similar unzip thing on all the 'rpms-1.zip' etc files you have on your adfs partition. If you haven't used longfilenames, just use /floppy/cp to copy all the rpm files from adfs to RedHat/RPMS. Then, once you've finished putting everything on the hd, unmount the floppy, adfs partition and ext2 partition, and type 'exit' to get back to the main installer. You can now tell it to install off your ext2 partition onto your ext2 partition. Note - it is important at this stage that you don't reformat that partition ;-) You can probably mount your adfs partition and install off a RedHat tree you've created in there, but do note that you will be limited to installing 77 rpm files! And now for the important note. This is the method I tried to use - as far as I can see there's nothing wrong with it. However, I found that after I'd created the RedHat tree, the installer had read the tree without errors, but then it came up with the error 'could not create rpm database'. Please let me know if you try thisd method, and it works. Thanks, and I hope this is of some help, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 14:03:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17464 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:03:07 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 5206]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15455-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:02:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972372-404>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:59:48 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.34.18] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 54155]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972374-404>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:57:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id NAA17038; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:58:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:58:06 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: Phil Norman cc: John Lagrue , Russell King - ARM Linux Admin , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO w.r.t. Linux can't read X-files archives: Actually, it can, but the RH installer can't. Nicholas Clark (of unixlib fame) has written a little program called x-rec which manages to decompress an X-Files archive quite nicely on Linux. That's how I managed to get the stuff off the CDROM, even though none of my archies have CD drives. I think it's pretty much freeware, though you'll have to check with Nick. Anyway, it works. :) -- James Craig From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 14:24:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17659 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:24:51 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36705]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12464-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:24:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972362-404>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:22:29 -0400 Received: from valhalla.acorn.co.uk ([136.170.135.1] HELO valhalla.acorn.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 58467]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972375-404>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:21:55 -0400 Received: by valhalla.acorn.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA17128; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:22:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:22:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199710151322.OAA17128@valhalla.acorn.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: mshort@vividimage.com (Michael Short), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling Kernel on Risc PC In-Reply-To: <199710142216.XAA00426@raistlin.armlinux.org> References: <34439BAF@carlsbadpo.vividimage.com> <199710142216.XAA00426@raistlin.armlinux.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid From: Neil Turton X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Russell King - ARM Linux Admin writes: > I strongly suggest that you use the latest 2.0.31pre9 code. I am also having problems compiling a Kernel on my SA risc PC, (but none of the SIGSEGVs), and would like to get hold of the 2.0.31pre9 code. I have located the patch, but couldn't find what to apply the patch to. I applied the 2.0.30-20071997 patch to linux-2.0.30.tar.gz, and it compiled (but it didn't work), but I couldn't find a linux-2.0.31.tar.gz on my local ftp.funet.fi mirror at src.doc.ic.ac.uk. (I tried applying it to 2.0.30, but it didn't compile.) The trouble I am having with both patch-arm-2.0.30-20071997 and patch-arm-2.0.30-16051997 is that a brownish(red?) line appears above the 2nd character at the top of the display before the kernel boots, and the machine locks up. It doesn't clear the screen or say "Uncompressing Linux". I have noticed this line on the distributed kernel (which works), but it is only there briefly, as the screen clears and the "Uncompressing Linux" message appears. I set MACHINE to rpc, and PROCESSOR to armv. Is this a fix that appeared in 2.0.31pre9, or am I doing something wrong? As a side-issue, there seems to be a problem with the 20071997 patch, as arch/arm/drivers/sound/* does not exist, but the sound directory is listed in arch/arm/drivers/Makefile, so make dep fails. I removed sound from ALL_SUB_DIRS (or whatever it is) to make it compile. Any help would be appreciated. Neil Turton. -- #include "disclaimer.h" Neil Turton, Software Engineer Acorn Network Computing Tel: +44 (0) 1223 725 528 Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road Fax: +44 (0) 1223 725 628 Cambridge, United Kingdom, CB5 8PB WWW: http://www.acorn.com From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 15:21:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18014 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:21:35 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 61448]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12406-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:18:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971494-406>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:15:57 -0400 Received: from punt-2b.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.6] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 39393]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971466-404>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:13:25 -0400 Received: from stordir.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.86]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0611375; 15 Oct 97 14:27 BST Received: from mark-k6 by stordir.demon.co.uk Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:11:01 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mark smith Organization: Storage Direct Ltd. To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:10:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bugger Intel I want an ARM machine X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Message-ID: <876922052.0611375.2@stordir.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Not sure where to post this message but I'll try here first. Well Intel have finally managed to hack me off and as such I'm looking for another computer system. How ? you may ask. Well I've just come back from the Intel Processor Integrators seminar, and boy did they deal out a load of rubbish. Seems that Intel has grown to big for it's boots and has decided that they can now dictate what every one needs rather than ask what everyone wants. In the 2nd Q of 1998 Intel will stop production of the Pentium MMX and Pentium Pro chips so they can use the manufacturing resources for the Pentium II. In other words all that will be left will be that horrible huge radiator called the Pentium II :-( How on earth is that meant to fit on a single board computer ? Let alone cool it! (dual Pentium II puts out 86 Watts in heat!) So, funnily enough, I want a different machine and the Risc PC sounds nice, and sounds nicer now that it will have a PCI bus. But does anyone know when the PCI RiscPC will be available ? Christmas ? And what will OS and software support be like, I know it'll have Linux, and RiscOS, but how about NT ? Anyone know ? Thanks. Mark mark@storagedirect.com PS. Sorry about the ranting but you get put in a bad mood when you have to sit through 3 hours of dictatorship drivel from a company that has it's head stuck up somewhere dark, warm and belonging to Mr. Gates. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 16:08:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18240 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:08:07 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 62245]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15465-17628>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:07:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972388-404>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:04:52 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] EHLO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 46002]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972393-406>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:00:17 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.8.7/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:59:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from dust11 by dust0 id ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:59:45 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:59:54 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Neil Turton cc: Michael Short , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling Kernel on Risc PC In-Reply-To: <199710151322.OAA17128@valhalla.acorn.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Neil Turton wrote: > Russell King - ARM Linux Admin writes: > > I strongly suggest that you use the latest 2.0.31pre9 code. > > I am also having problems compiling a Kernel on my SA risc PC, (but > none of the SIGSEGVs), and would like to get hold of the 2.0.31pre9 > code. I have located the patch, but couldn't find what to apply the > patch to. I applied the 2.0.30-20071997 patch to linux-2.0.30.tar.gz, Try http://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/public/Mirrors/tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/sources/system/testing/ > As a side-issue, there seems to be a problem with the 20071997 > patch, as arch/arm/drivers/sound/* does not exist, but the sound Use a later patch. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 15 23:14:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21075 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:14:56 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 10571]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17578-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:12:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972484-404>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:10:01 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 42247]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972480-404>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:00:52 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA20471; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:54:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Oct 97 22:57:10 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27579; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:23:04 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00361; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:22:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199710152122.WAA00361@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Bugger Intel I want an ARM machine To: mark@storagedirect.com (Mark smith) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:22:53 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <876922052.0611375.2@stordir.demon.co.uk> from "Mark smith" at Oct 15, 97 02:10:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Mark smith writes: > Well Intel have finally managed to hack me off and as such I'm > looking for another computer system. I think that every one on this list will agree with me if I say that we don't blame you! > In other words all that will be left will be that horrible huge > radiator called the Pentium II :-( How on earth is that meant to > fit on a single board computer ? Let alone cool it! (dual Pentium II > puts out 86 Watts in heat!) How many Watts is your average toaster again??? ;) > So, funnily enough, I want a different machine and the Risc PC sounds > nice, and sounds nicer now that it will have a PCI bus. But does > anyone know when the PCI RiscPC will be available ? Christmas ? Well, you may be interested to know that there is an Acorn show coming up in London towards the end of October, and they will have a Risc PC `on show'. > And what will OS and software support be like, I know it'll have > Linux, and RiscOS, but how about NT ? Anyone know ? Well, the new Risc PC won't have Linux until it's been ported. None of Acorn's machines has NT (probably something to do with a certain reception that Mr Gates received from Acorn...) > PS. Sorry about the ranting but you get put in a bad mood when you > have to sit through 3 hours of dictatorship drivel from a company > that has it's head stuck up somewhere dark, warm and belonging to Mr. > Gates. That's quite all right - IMHO their adverts are bad enough to deter me from even going ;) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 00:14:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21550 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:14:20 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 4970]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18244-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:13:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971329-406>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:10:12 -0400 Received: from Axil.wave.co.nz ([202.49.46.2] EHLO axil.wave.co.nz ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 44260]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972462-406>; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:09:38 -0400 Received: from betty.wave.co.nz (wh11-7.wave.co.nz [202.50.189.23]) by axil.wave.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA21851; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:08:48 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:05:38 +1300 From: Peter Naulls To: Mark smith Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Bugger Intel I want an ARM machine Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <876922052.0611375.2@stordir.demon.co.uk> Organization: Chocky Man Inc. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > So, funnily enough, I want a different machine and the Risc PC sounds > nice, and sounds nicer now that it will have a PCI bus. > But does anyone know when the PCI RiscPC will be available ? > Christmas ? > > And what will OS and software support be like, I know it'll have > Linux, and RiscOS, but how about NT ? Anyone know ? NT is probably unlikely - because it talks directly to a lot of hardware, but Win95, ARMLinux and RiscBSD are all very likely (after possible modifications) since they run on the current hardware :) Peter -- +-----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Peter Naulls | Acorn Risc PC 700 *ARM Powered* | | pnaulls@wave.co.nz | Porting Java & Sather for Risc OS | | http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~pnaulls/ | Co-editor of Acorn archive list | | Phone 64-7-856-4562 | Computer consultancy | | The meaning of life: 3.5 | Web page design | +-----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ Senders of unsolicited email agree to send me NZ$100 for wasting my time From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 09:22:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24521 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:22:29 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 2874]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19495-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:22:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972540-406>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:20:26 -0400 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2062]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972539-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:19:59 -0400 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (JAA14503); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:19:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:19:05 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: Mark smith , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Bugger Intel I want an ARM machine In-Reply-To: <199710152122.WAA00361@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > > In other words all that will be left will be that horrible huge > > radiator called the Pentium II :-( How on earth is that meant to > > fit on a single board computer ? Let alone cool it! (dual Pentium II > > puts out 86 Watts in heat!) > > How many Watts is your average toaster again??? ;) That's exactly the problem with Acorn. While they 'played around' with fitting a single-slice pop-up toaster on one of the RiscPCs on show a few years back, since they didn't have enough upgrades for it, Intel were going for the real thing. This just highlights the difference in attitude - whereas Acorn are content to play with new IT (Integral Toaster) technology, Intel are already almost there with a full-scale solution! Get your act together, Acorn, WE WANT TOASTERS TOO!!!! Take care, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 10:11:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24723 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:11:04 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 58193]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11776-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:10:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971215-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:08:15 -0400 Received: from mailserv.eidos.co.uk ([194.129.24.3] EHLO mailserv.eidos.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1503]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971095-406>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:06:02 -0400 Received: from 172.16.3.14 by mailserv.eidos.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id TBFDH125; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:05:50 +0100 Received: from bunuel.eidos.co.uk (bunuel [172.16.3.13]) by scott.eidos.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00373 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:06:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:04:54 +0100 (BST) From: Brian Brunswick Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux (fwd) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Eidos Technologies Ltd. +44 181 636 3398 X-PersonalHomePage: http://www.skarpsey.demon.co.uk/ X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.29] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I meant to send this to the list the first time. In on Wed 15 Oct, Phil Norman wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, John Lagrue wrote: > > Hhhmmmm. > > Firstly, you have a choice - you can keep the filenames as they are (ie > use LongFileNames), or not. It doesn't matter. However, following these > instructions you'll be copying large numbers of files into directories, > and LongFileNames cannot cope with more than a certain number of these. > I think possibly the limit is 32, but I've not checked. If you're not > using long filenames, 77 is, of course, the limit. > Somewhat easier is to tar up the files into one huge one on riscos, and use cpio -H tar to decompress them off the adfs partition under linux. (Though having said that it may be a slight fight to get riscos tar not to damage the names - I did it under RiscBSD) -- The past is a fading dream, the future mere speculation - live for the moment! Brian Brunswick bdb@eidos.co.uk Disclaimer. Short sig rules OK From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 10:42:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25052 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:42:54 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 866]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12823-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:42:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971231-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:39:42 -0400 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 10821]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970933-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:39:09 -0400 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (KAA07030); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:37:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:37:58 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: Brian Brunswick cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Brian Brunswick wrote: > > Firstly, you have a choice - you can keep the filenames as they are (ie > > use LongFileNames), or not. It doesn't matter. However, following these > > instructions you'll be copying large numbers of files into directories, > > and LongFileNames cannot cope with more than a certain number of these. > > I think possibly the limit is 32, but I've not checked. If you're not > > using long filenames, 77 is, of course, the limit. > > > Somewhat easier is to tar up the files into one huge one on riscos, > and use cpio -H tar to decompress them off the adfs partition under > linux. (Though having said that it may be a slight fight to get > riscos tar not to damage the names - I did it under RiscBSD) My version of RiscOS tar keeps deciding that every time it sees a '/' character it has to create a new directory, which means that when I have a look at the file afterwards, I've got a lovely big directory structure and not much else :-( -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 11:13:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25242 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:13:12 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 24431]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12143-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:12:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971367-406>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:10:20 -0400 Received: from mailserv.eidos.co.uk ([194.129.24.3] EHLO mailserv.eidos.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1797]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971231-406>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:09:31 -0400 Received: from 172.16.3.14 by mailserv.eidos.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id TBFDH1M4; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:09:20 +0100 Received: from bunuel.eidos.co.uk (bunuel [172.16.3.13]) by scott.eidos.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01282; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:09:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:05:04 +0100 (BST) From: Brian Brunswick Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux (fwd) To: Phil Norman Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Eidos Technologies Ltd. +44 181 636 3398 X-PersonalHomePage: http://www.skarpsey.demon.co.uk/ X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.29] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu 16 Oct, Phil Norman wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Brian Brunswick wrote: > > > Firstly, you have a choice - you can keep the filenames as they are (ie > > > use LongFileNames), or not. It doesn't matter. However, following these > > > instructions you'll be copying large numbers of files into directories, > > > and LongFileNames cannot cope with more than a certain number of these. > > > I think possibly the limit is 32, but I've not checked. If you're not > > > using long filenames, 77 is, of course, the limit. > > > > > Somewhat easier is to tar up the files into one huge one on riscos, > > and use cpio -H tar to decompress them off the adfs partition under > > linux. (Though having said that it may be a slight fight to get > > riscos tar not to damage the names - I did it under RiscBSD) > > My version of RiscOS tar keeps deciding that every time it sees a '/' > character it has to create a new directory, which means that when I have > a look at the file afterwards, I've got a lovely big directory structure > and not much else :-( > > > Hmm.. indeed I can't get riscos tar to work at all - I always did think its filename mangling was somewhat suspicious Ok, so the only way to do what I said is to put the files onto unix with NFS, and tar them there. -- The past is a fading dream, the future mere speculation - live for the moment! Brian Brunswick bdb@eidos.co.uk Disclaimer. Short sig rules OK From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 11:18:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25247 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:18:56 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36213]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16342-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:18:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971231-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:16:02 -0400 Received: from library.lspace.org ([195.200.1.58] EHLO library.lspace.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 8617]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970933-406>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:15:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (tappop@localhost) by library.lspace.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11055; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:15:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:15:56 +0100 (BST) From: Andy Fawcett Reply-To: tap@lspace.org To: Phil Norman cc: Brian Brunswick , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Resend - Re: More questions about installing ARM Linux (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Phil Norman wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Brian Brunswick wrote: > > > Firstly, you have a choice - you can keep the filenames as they are (ie > > > use LongFileNames), or not. It doesn't matter. However, following these > > > instructions you'll be copying large numbers of files into directories, > > > and LongFileNames cannot cope with more than a certain number of these. > > > I think possibly the limit is 32, but I've not checked. If you're not > > > using long filenames, 77 is, of course, the limit. > > Somewhat easier is to tar up the files into one huge one on riscos, > > and use cpio -H tar to decompress them off the adfs partition under > > linux. (Though having said that it may be a slight fight to get > > riscos tar not to damage the names - I did it under RiscBSD) > My version of RiscOS tar keeps deciding that every time it sees a '/' > character it has to create a new directory, which means that when I have > a look at the file afterwards, I've got a lovely big directory structure > and not much else :- When I want to transfer stuff from RiscOS to any unix, I use SparkFS to create a Unix format Tar file, then ftp that across and untar it at the other end. The only problem I've had is with file/directory permissions, and a quick chmod sorts that out. -- Andy Fawcett From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 11:46:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25434 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:46:15 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 26635]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13424-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:45:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971339-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:43:28 -0400 Received: from zaz.kom.auc.dk ([130.225.51.10] EHLO zaz.kom.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52693]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971365-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:42:30 -0400 Received: from kom.auc.dk (janm@trabant.kom.auc.dk [130.225.51.16]) by zaz.kom.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22264; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:43:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3445EFC9.F55F9359@kom.auc.dk> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:43:21 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Naulls CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Bugger Intel I want an ARM machine References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Peter Naulls wrote: > NT is probably unlikely - because it talks directly to a lot of > hardware, but Win95, ARMLinux and RiscBSD are all very likely (after possible > modifications) since they run on the current hardware :) Actually NT is likely to happen for the PC-card. I talked to Aleph One recently and they are working on new 32-bit drivers for different "things", and they said that we may be able to run NT with those drivers. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.kom.auc.dk/~janm Fidonet 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 12:02:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25469 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:02:32 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 50963]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12914-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:01:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971231-406>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:58:48 -0400 Received: from Axil.wave.co.nz ([202.49.46.2] EHLO axil.wave.co.nz ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 55555]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971361-406>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:58:32 -0400 Received: from betty.wave.co.nz (wh16-13.wave.co.nz [202.49.46.76]) by axil.wave.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA13156 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:58:06 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:00:03 +1300 From: Peter Naulls To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Bugger Intel I want an ARM machine Message-ID: <2c9cecd947%pnaulls@wave.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <3445EFC9.F55F9359@kom.auc.dk> Organization: Chocky Man Inc. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > > NT is probably unlikely - because it talks directly to a lot of > > hardware, but Win95, ARMLinux and RiscBSD are all very likely (after possible > > modifications) since they run on the current hardware :) > > Actually NT is likely to happen for the PC-card. I talked to Aleph One > recently and they are working on new 32-bit drivers for different > "things", and they said that we may be able to run NT with those > drivers. coo :) Something to watch out for then :) -- +-----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Peter Naulls | Acorn Risc PC 700 *ARM Powered* | | pnaulls@wave.co.nz | Porting Java & Sather for Risc OS | | http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~pnaulls/ | Co-editor of Acorn archive list | | Phone 64-7-856-4562 | Computer consultancy | | The meaning of life: 3.5 | Web page design | +-----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ Senders of unsolicited email agree to send me NZ$100 for wasting my time From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 17:15:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27643 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:15:33 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 37398]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20036-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:15:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971702-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:12:37 -0400 Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.51] EHLO cheviot.ncl.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 62165]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972625-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:12:22 -0400 Received: from burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:13:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from aidan.ncl.ac.uk (n5830472@aidan.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.1]) by burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk (8.7.6/8.6.10-cf revision 2 for Solaris 2.x) with SMTP id QAA22641; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:13:36 +0100 (BST) Received: (n5830472@localhost) by aidan.ncl.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.10-cf revision 1 for Solaris 2.x) id QAA05713; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:13:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:13:32 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S.MCGough" To: ACORN ARM-LINUX PORT Subject: libgcc1.a and making a cross compiler (gcc) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm trying to compile up a cross compiler for compiling linux kernels for an R260. I've been trying to do this but things are failing and I must have missed something, can someone please advise.... The rundown of what I have done is as follows: 1. Patched Binutils 2.7 and compiled with target set to arm-unknown-linuxaout 2. Installed Binutis under /usr/local/arm-unknown-linuxaout/ 3. Patched gcc v. 2.7.2.2 - this is where the fun starts: There is one screwed up patch - I was told not to reverse it but do I still apply it? 4. Configured gcc for target arm-unknown-linuxaout 5. Edited config/arm/t-linux by adding the line CROSS_LIB = libgcc1-asm.a and removing /m7 from the appropriate line 6. compiled with make LANGUAGES="c c++" Which causes the compilation to fail with an error about libgcc1.a not being available. The docs state that this file should come from the native system or be blank. Which is the correct method for this or where do I compile it or get it? thanks in advance. steve.. PS. any chance of a boot loader for riscos2 or even the source code so I can try patching it myself. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 19:55:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA28685 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:55:18 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 16447]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4267-17628>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:54:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970923-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:41:17 -0400 Received: from [194.201.189.33] ([194.201.189.33] HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1426]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970967-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:40:40 -0400 Received: from cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA03917; Thu, 16 Oct 97 17:44:20 GMT Message-Id: <3446518F.DD31BEB0@cogency.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:40:31 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "A.S.MCGough" Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: libgcc1.a and making a cross compiler (gcc) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO A.S.MCGough wrote: > > I'm trying to compile up a cross compiler for compiling linux kernels for > an R260. I've been trying to do this but things are failing and I must > have missed something, can someone please advise.... > > The rundown of what I have done is as follows: > > 1. Patched Binutils 2.7 and compiled with target set to arm-unknown-linuxaout > 2. Installed Binutis under /usr/local/arm-unknown-linuxaout/ > 3. Patched gcc v. 2.7.2.2 - this is where the fun starts: > There is one screwed up patch - I was told not to reverse it but do I > still apply it? No - do not apply it. > 4. Configured gcc for target arm-unknown-linuxaout > 5. Edited config/arm/t-linux by adding the line > CROSS_LIB = libgcc1-asm.a > and removing /m7 from the appropriate line > 6. compiled with make LANGUAGES="c c++" > Which causes the compilation to fail with an error about libgcc1.a not > being available. The docs state that this file should come from the > native system or be blank. Which is the correct method for this or where > do I compile it or get it? I think the line should be: CROSS_LIBGCC1 = libgcc1-asm.a There should be another line in the file almost identical but without the CROSS_ > PS. any chance of a boot loader for riscos2 or even the source code so I > can try patching it myself. I'm going to try and hack one of these together over the weekend; no promises mind you. I have a very old primitive boot loader that Russ gave me a long time ago which I hacked about with - it ran on RISC OS2. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 16 23:35:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA30033 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:34:56 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 61300]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10935-17628>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:34:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971633-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:25:57 -0400 Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.51] EHLO cheviot.ncl.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 34634]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971652-406>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:24:20 -0400 Received: from burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:18:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from aidan.ncl.ac.uk (n5830472@aidan.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.1]) by burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk (8.7.6/8.6.10-cf revision 2 for Solaris 2.x) with SMTP id WAA24507; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:18:47 +0100 (BST) Received: (n5830472@localhost) by aidan.ncl.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.10-cf revision 1 for Solaris 2.x) id WAA05262; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:18:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:18:45 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S.MCGough" To: ACORN ARM-LINUX PORT Subject: Fatal error: invalid listing option `r' Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ok changing the cross compiler line in config/arm/t-linux gets me further but still won't compile, I now get as far as compiling libgcc1 but then end up with the error stated in the subject line. The make ends with: rm -f tmplibgcc1.a libgcc1.S cp ./config/arm/lib1funcs-linux.asm libgcc1.S for name in _udivsi3 _divsi3 _umodsi3 _modsi3 _dvmd_tls; \ do \ echo ${name}; \ ./xgcc -B./ -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DCROSS_COMPILE -DIN_GCC -g -I./include -g0 -I. -I. -I./config -c -DL${name} libgcc1.S; \ if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then true; else exit 1; fi; \ mv libgcc1.o ${name}.o; \ /usr/arm-unknown-linuxaout/bin/ar -rc tmplibgcc1.a ${name}.o; \ rm -f ${name}.o; \ done _udivsi3 Assembler messages: Fatal error: invalid listing option `r' make: *** [libgcc1-asm.a] Error 1 With the line ./xgcc being the point where everything fails at. any suggestions welcome. steve.. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 17 02:33:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA31015 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:33:30 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35428]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15771-17628>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:33:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971697-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:03:11 -0400 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 47309]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971618-404>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:01:50 -0400 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1017687; 16 Oct 97 21:53 BST Message-ID: <34467DB1.105BAC77@treblig.org> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:48:49 +0100 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.57 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Old archimedes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I've put together a small web page for ARM Linux on old machines - it is: http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Armlinux.html >From that you can pick up one of the 3 precompiled kernels and *** STOP PRESS *** a boot disc for the old machines. The boot disc gets into the installer but I haven't pushed it much further than that. Reports welcome. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 17 10:29:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01008 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:29:10 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12857]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11048-17628>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:28:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972599-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 05:19:01 -0400 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk ([132.146.5.1] HELO zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4516]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972598-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 05:18:45 -0400 Received: from vax-b (actually 132.146.127.190) by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:19:52 +0100 Message-ID: <34472B83.6BFB@lspace.org> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:10:27 +0100 From: Andy Fawcett X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Gilbert CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Old archimedes References: <34467DB1.105BAC77@treblig.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dave Gilbert wrote: > > Hi, > I've put together a small web page for ARM Linux on old machines - > it is: > > http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Armlinux.html > > >From that you can pick up one of the 3 precompiled kernels > and > > *** STOP PRESS *** > > a boot disc for the old machines. The boot disc gets into the > installer but I haven't pushed it much further than that. Reports > welcome. So, what we have now is a release of the software for all systems. All except for the A5000 it seems, which is a shame, since that's where we all came in, IIRC... Oh for a A5000 setup that works. -- Andy Fawcett (at Carol's) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 17 11:36:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01453 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:36:53 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 47452]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1926-3988>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:34:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972624-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:30:40 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.34.18] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 38984]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972614-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:25:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id LAA14135; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:24:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:24:36 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: Andy Fawcett cc: Dave Gilbert , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Old archimedes In-Reply-To: <34472B83.6BFB@lspace.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Andy Fawcett wrote: > Dave Gilbert wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I've put together a small web page for ARM Linux on old machines - > > it is: > > > > http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk/Armlinux.html > > > > >From that you can pick up one of the 3 precompiled kernels > > and > > > > *** STOP PRESS *** > > > > a boot disc for the old machines. The boot disc gets into the > > installer but I haven't pushed it much further than that. Reports > > welcome. > > So, what we have now is a release of the software for all systems. All > except for the A5000 it seems, which is a shame, since that's where we > all came in, IIRC... > > Oh for a A5000 setup that works. Hmmm. I can't make up A5K disks for people, but I don't mind compiling the kernel for anyone that needs it. It only takes about 7 minutes per kernel on my machine... If you want me to do that, make up a Config.in file and mail me. I'll try and compile the kernel to order. :) (You'll need to tell me what arch+machine you're wanting too) -- James Craig From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 17 13:48:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02390 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:48:41 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 62503]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1373-3988>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:48:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972616-404>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:46:19 -0400 Received: from [194.201.189.33] ([194.201.189.33] HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1549]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972650-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:46:04 -0400 Received: from cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA04662; Fri, 17 Oct 97 13:51:01 GMT Message-Id: <34476C60.3D4102C2@cogency.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:47:12 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Reply-To: gro.gilbert@treblig.org Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: EBSA-285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I've just got off the phone with Eurodis-Bytech - DECs UK distributor. I'd had to ring them back twice but finally they've managed to get a price on this. The EBSA-285 (they're code QR-21A-85-11) is listed as #523.50+VAT on 8 week delivery. I think thats around #150 more than I remember the guy at digital originally suggesting when I rang up when the EBSA-285 was originally announced (I think!). I'm not 100% sure what you actually get for your money in terms of RAM, documentation etc. For those who haven't been following, the EBSA-285 is a StrongARM with PCI interface. It can apparently plug into a standard PC as a strongARM development card or be used with a backplane to build a standalone system. So on 8 week delivery its order now in time for christmas! Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 17 14:15:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02572 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:15:38 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 52790]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10982-3988>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:15:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972649-404>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:12:53 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1346]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972651-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:11:13 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id OAA08019; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:11:22 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199710171311.OAA08019@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: EBSA-285 To: gro.gilbert@treblig.org Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:11:17 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <34476C60.3D4102C2@cogency.co.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at Oct 17, 97 01:47:12 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > was originally announced (I think!). I'm not 100% sure what > you actually get for your money in terms of RAM, documentation etc. I'd be interested to know - although that price is a bit steep except as a devel kit. Certainly rules out putting 4 of them in a PCI 486 to built a crypto crunching box Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 17 18:37:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04125 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:37:35 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 22098]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15881-3988>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:35:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972688-404>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:33:31 -0400 Received: from charity.harvard.net ([206.137.222.16] EHLO charity.harvard.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2747]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972671-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:33:16 -0400 Received: from xedia.com (madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17899; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kona. by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14406; Fri, 17 Oct 97 13:33:33 EDT Received: by kona. (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11591; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:33:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:33:52 -0400 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <9710171733.AA11591@kona.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address From: Paul Koning To: gro.gilbert@treblig.org Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: EBSA-285 References: <34476C60.3D4102C2@cogency.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <19971017173331Z972688-404+2267@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO >>>>> "David" == David Alan Gilbert writes: David> The EBSA-285 (they're code QR-21A-85-11) is listed as David> #523.50+VAT on 8 week delivery. I think thats around #150 David> more than I remember the guy at digital originally suggesting David> when I rang up when the EBSA-285 was originally announced (I David> think!). I'm not 100% sure what you actually get for your David> money in terms of RAM, documentation etc. Look in http://www.digital.com/semiconductor/strongarm/sa-evaldownload.htm (or its shadow at www.europe.digital.com), you'll find a pile of stuff there. It's interesting that the only way to find this is by searching for the part name; it doesn't show up in any index. The question I'd love to see answered is "what about the SA1100 eval platform?" paul From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 17 21:20:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05313 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:20:54 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 21077]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9704-3988>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:19:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972800-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:16:18 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1054]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972873-404>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:41:33 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xMI1m-0000A6-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:25:42 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "A.S.MCGough" cc: ACORN ARM-LINUX PORT Subject: Re: libgcc1.a and making a cross compiler (gcc) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:13:32 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:25:42 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >1. Patched Binutils 2.7 and compiled with target set to arm-unknown-linuxaout Binutils 2.7 is a bit out of date. You want 2.8.1.0.15 or so - you can get it from sunsite.unc.edu. It doesn't need any patches. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 17 21:22:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05317 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:22:00 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 21077]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4807-3988>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:18:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972764-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:15:12 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1169]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973035-404>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:42:44 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xMIGX-0000Bp-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:40:57 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "A.S.MCGough" cc: ACORN ARM-LINUX PORT Subject: Re: Fatal error: invalid listing option `r' In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:18:45 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:40:57 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Fatal error: invalid listing option `r' >make: *** [libgcc1-asm.a] Error 1 > >With the line ./xgcc being the point where everything fails at. Issue the `xgcc' command by hand and add the -v flag. That way you get to see what's being passed to the assembler. It looks like you have a problem with the ASM_SPEC you built gcc with not agreeing with the version of binutils you're using. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 17 22:05:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05519 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:05:30 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 18300]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12121-3988>; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:04:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972983-406>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:57:48 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1115]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973034-404>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:42:43 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xMID3-0000BO-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:37:21 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Dave Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Old archimedes In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:48:49 BST." <34467DB1.105BAC77@treblig.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:37:20 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I've put together a small web page for ARM Linux on old machines - >it is: I'll see if I can find time to get something going on A5000-style hardware too, since nobody else seems to be doing it and my A5k isn't doing a lot at the moment. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 18 15:23:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12724 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:23:13 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35926]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19998-3988>; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:23:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971769-406>; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:20:36 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 34601]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971504-404>; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:20:12 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id PAA06768 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:22:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Oct 97 15:22:20 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA30595 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:49:31 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00406 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:49:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199710180849.JAA00406@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: pipex To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:49:37 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO If anyone has tried to send me mail lately, I'm not sure what's going on, I'm not even sure if anyone will get this, but pipex seem to have screwed up their mailserver something cronic! I have here a load of mails (around 20 - 30) that suddenly turned up this morning (they weren't there last night): > From mshort@vividimage.com Sat Oct 18 09:22:42 1997 > Return-Path: mshort@vividimage.com > Received: from diana.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with > SMTP id JAA30470 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:22:41 +0100 > From: mshort@vividimage.com > Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Oct 97 07:16:07 BST > Received: from 193.130.251.54 [193.130.251.54] > by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) > id 0xMREs-00064t-00; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 06:15:51 +0100 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Reply-To: mshort@vividimage.com > To: rmk@diana.ecs.soton.ac.uk > Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 20:06:33 +0100 > X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa > Subject: Ack: Re: Arm Linux Problem > Content-Type: text/plain > Message-Id: > Status: > > Thank you for your email on the subject "Re: Arm Linux Problem". > > This was processed by the user at 20:06 on 08 Oct '97. > > > > > Reply auto generated by the "MailStrip" utility (V2.40). Anyone got any idea what this is, and has anyone else received this lately? If it is this VTi mail reader, then please DO NOT use it. It is severly BROKEN. Failure to dispose of this mail reader will result with me telling my mailbox @ Southampton to delete *all* mail that comes from this (193.130.251.54) mail address. This of course will mean that your legitemate mailings will also be deleted as a matter of course. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 18 16:21:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13132 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:21:46 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 383]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1921-3988>; Sat, 18 Oct1997 18:21:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973088-404>; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:18:32 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.34.18] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 33956]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973085-404>; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:18:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id QAA15637; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:19:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:19:55 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: pipex In-Reply-To: <199710180849.JAA00406@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I just got an email like that, one apparently from yourself, and another from the mailing list. I'm *not* using any of the dodgy 'mailers or anything - I'm using PINE, on UNIX, so I think we can rule that one out. Not good anyway... -- James Craig From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 18 17:40:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13482 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:40:44 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 29496]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10722-3988>; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:40:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973109-406>; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:36:33 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] EHLO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 48540]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973088-404>; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:36:10 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.8.7/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:37:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:37:51 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: pipex In-Reply-To: <199710180849.JAA00406@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I have here a load of mails (around 20 - 30) that suddenly turned up this > morning (they weren't there last night): > > > Anyone got any idea what this is, and has anyone else received this lately? > Yep. I got five or six of them, all 'from' different people, but on closer examination, they all originated from the same place. I have no idea what they are, or who pipex is, but they seem to be reading all my mail! Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Oct 19 16:27:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6] (may be forged)) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA23011 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:27:15 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 383]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13041-3988>; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:27:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970870-404>; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:22:48 -0400 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 62172]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973284-406>; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:20:59 -0400 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1011658; 19 Oct 97 16:17 BST Message-ID: <344A2380.1D50623F@treblig.org> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:13:04 +0100 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.57 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Install problems - old machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, The boot disc I put up the other day for the old machines is useless for 4MB machines because there just isn't enough RAM. As for 8MB machines well it gets into the second stage of the install - I'm just having some problems pursuading it to partition my disc - but thats a separate issue. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 21 16:05:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07982 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:05:32 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 44873]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11111-3988>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:05:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973747-252>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:02:52 -0400 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk ([132.146.5.1] HELO zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2366]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973753-252>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:00:10 -0400 Received: from vax-b (actually 132.146.127.190) by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:00:02 +0100 Message-ID: <344CC357.7D30@lspace.org> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:59:35 +0100 From: Andy Fawcett Organization: Being Lazy At Home! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: A5000 stuff on the FTP site... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've just been and looked at the ftp site, and I notice that there are some new files for the A5K setup. Is everything there that I need? Or should I wait a while longer? I'm hopeful at last... -- Andy Fawcett (at Carol's) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 21 21:10:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09994 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:10:25 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 45654]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17413-642>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:06:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973821-248>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:49:31 -0400 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 26187]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973832-252>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:48:34 -0400 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (UAA23121); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:39:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:39:49 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Installed at last! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO If you remember, I emailed a few times about my problems installing ARMLinux. Anyway, after a brief talk with a friend (can't remember his real name, but he's know as MadHacker), I tried moving 'instimage' to somewhere else, and it worked. So the installation method I mentioned, isntalling from the same partition as you're installing to, works, but you just need to put 'instimage' in the same directory as 'RedHat', not inside 'RedHat'. So I now (at last) have a complete installation of armlinux :-) cool! See ya, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 21 23:51:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA11195 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:51:06 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 51985]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10929-642>; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:47:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973832-248>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:29:02 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.30.11] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 64619]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973842-248>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:28:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id WAA25047; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:29:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:29:54 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: Phil Norman cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Installed at last! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Phil Norman wrote: > ARMLinux. Anyway, after a brief talk with a friend (can't remember his > real name, but he's know as MadHacker), I tried moving 'instimage' to > somewhere else, and it worked. So the installation method I mentioned, Hi Phil. My name's James Craig. ;) You could just have got it from oaktree... It might be an idea if you tell everyone exactly *where* it should be, because I'm fairly certain that other people will be trying the same thing as yourself, and it might prove helpful more generally. -- James Craig From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 22 01:52:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11887 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:52:12 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 63013]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15759-642>; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 03:42:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973857-252>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:12:03 -0400 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 31779]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973860-252>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:11:20 -0400 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (XAA22543); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:10:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:10:12 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Installed at last! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, James Craig wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Phil Norman wrote: > > > ARMLinux. Anyway, after a brief talk with a friend (can't remember his > > real name, but he's know as MadHacker), I tried moving 'instimage' to > > somewhere else, and it worked. So the installation method I mentioned, > Hi Phil. My name's James Craig. ;) You could just have got it from > oaktree... > It might be an idea if you tell everyone exactly *where* it should be, > because I'm fairly certain that other people will be trying the same thing > as yourself, and it might prove helpful more generally. > -- James Craig OK then - to install off a hard disc you need this: /RedHat/RPMS contains the RPM files /RedHat/base contains base distribution (off ftp site) /instimage contains instimage stuff off ftp site I'm not sure if /RedHat/base is actually needed, but I felt it was better to be safe. It would be rather nice if there was a zip file on the armlinux ftp site containing all of 'instimage', since I had to ftp each file over individually, recreate the directory structure and then zip the thing up, which was a pain in the neck. Thanks, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Wed Oct 22 20:06:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA18552 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:06:54 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7/TardisMailhub) id TAA20223 for arm-linux-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:47:44 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from smtp.amlogic.com (root@isdn-sjs139.fia.net [207.212.3.139]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7/TardisMailhub) with ESMTP id TAA20218 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:47:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from amlogic.com (braves [192.9.100.1]) by smtp.amlogic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20889 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:56:36 -0700 Received: from [192.9.100.68] by amlogic.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10858; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:52:19 PDT Message-Id: <344E4A19.3DD2FE33@amlogic.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:46:49 -0700 From: Jim Wang Reply-To: jimwang@amlogic.com Organization: AMLogic, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Subject: BIOS for ARM to interface to PCI bus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, We are designing a single ASCII chip with ARM7TDMI core and PCI bus interface. We need the BIOS to interface to PCI bus. Does anyone know if there is any source code or sample code for interfacing to PCI bus, preferably Master mode? Thanks in advance. -- Jim Wang AMLogic, Inc. 408-232-3136 (voice) 2460 North First Street, Suite 290 408-970-0688 (fax) San Jose, CA 95131 jimwang@amlogic.com From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 22 23:23:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19790 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:23:33 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 1406]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15338-642>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:21:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971520-248>; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:43:18 -0400 Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224] HELO mars.cableol.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1468]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971567-248>; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:40:28 -0400 Received: from cordelia-68.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA25337; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:38:20 +0100 Message-Id: <9710221938.AA25337@mars.cableol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: jdl@cableol.co.uk (John Lagrue) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Reply-To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:38:25 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Pluto 0.32 for RiscOS 3.5 Subject: Re: Installed at last! Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Phil Norman wrote: > OK then - to install off a hard disc you need this: > /RedHat/RPMS contains the RPM files > /RedHat/base contains base distribution (off ftp site) > /instimage contains instimage stuff off ftp site > I'm not sure if /RedHat/base is actually needed, but I felt it was better > to be safe. It would be rather nice if there was a zip file on the > armlinux ftp site containing all of 'instimage', since I had to ftp each > file over individually, recreate the directory structure and then zip the > thing up, which was a pain in the neck. Congratulations on getting it running. Wish I could say the same :-( Russell: any news yet on driving the IDEFS interface from ICS? I'm dying to get Linux running here on my machine too. JDL -- John Lagrue From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 23 10:55:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24087 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:55:22 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 28432]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15675-16472>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:53:21 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974079-248>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:04:06 -0400 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk ([132.146.5.1] HELO zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4102]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974087-248>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:03:35 -0400 Received: from vax-b (actually 132.146.127.190) by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:04:31 +0100 Message-ID: <344F1302.3D4B@lspace.org> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:04:02 +0100 From: Andy Fawcett Organization: Being Lazy At Home! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ale Terlevich CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: pipex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ale Terlevich wrote: > > > I have here a load of mails (around 20 - 30) that suddenly turned > > up this morning (they weren't there last night): > > Anyone got any idea what this is, and has anyone else received > > this lately? > Yep. I got five or six of them, all 'from' different people, but on > closer examination, they all originated from the same place. > > I have no idea what they are, or who pipex is, but they seem to be > reading all my mail! I've just had a shedload more of them, all relating to messages posted to the list in the last week. One thing that is common to them is the use of a Mailer called 'VTi' which AFAIK is the mailer used by Argonet users. Pipex are Argonet's upstream provider if I'm not mistaken... One theory I had (which may be wrong) is that somebody is subbed to the list from Argonet, and has written a program to reap email addresses. If they are, I suggest they stop now before I write to Argonet's abuse department. -- Andy Fawcett (at Carol's) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 23 13:07:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24930 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:07:10 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 65084]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10689-16472>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:05:52 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974106-252>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:00:46 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1999]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974101-252>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:00:31 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id LAA09757; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:59:44 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199710231059.LAA09757@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: pipex To: tap@lspace.org (Andy Fawcett) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:59:42 +0100 (BST) Cc: A.I.Terlevich@durham.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <344F1302.3D4B@lspace.org> from "Andy Fawcett" at Oct 23, 97 10:04:02 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > One theory I had (which may be wrong) is that somebody is subbed to the > list from Argonet, and has written a program to reap email addresses. If > they are, I suggest they stop now before I write to Argonet's abuse > department. I've just set my mail stuff up to bounce them all to postmaster@pipex.net automatically From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 23 13:13:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25090 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:13:35 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 8512]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11054-16472>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:11:13 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974115-248>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:06:25 -0400 Received: from library.lspace.org ([195.200.1.58] EHLO library.lspace.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 25717]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974106-248>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:06:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (tap@localhost) by library.lspace.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08341; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:07:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:07:28 +0100 (BST) From: Andy Fawcett To: Alan Cox cc: A.I.Terlevich@durham.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: pipex In-Reply-To: <199710231059.LAA09757@snowcrash.cymru.net> Message-ID: X-Observe: I'd rather be sending this from my Acorn... X-Homepage: Look in the .sig sunshine X-BroomCon: http://broomcon.wibble.org/ X-Question: Where do you want MicroSoft to go to today? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Alan Cox wrote: > > One theory I had (which may be wrong) is that somebody is subbed to the > > list from Argonet, and has written a program to reap email addresses. If > > they are, I suggest they stop now before I write to Argonet's abuse > > department. > I've just set my mail stuff up to bounce them all to postmaster@pipex.net > automatically You might have to be a bit careful here, so they don't think that it's you that's doing the email abuse. Include full headers, and include your reasons for forwarding the mail. -- Andy Fawcett - Not at home, possibly at work (but don't bet on it!) http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 23 13:20:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25094 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:20:56 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 43588]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11172-16472>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:19:31 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974115-248>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:12:44 -0400 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 16391]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974114-252>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:12:28 -0400 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (MAA21570); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:11:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:11:22 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: pipex In-Reply-To: <344F1302.3D4B@lspace.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Andy Fawcett wrote: > Ale Terlevich wrote: > > > > > I have here a load of mails (around 20 - 30) that suddenly turned > > > up this morning (they weren't there last night): > > > Anyone got any idea what this is, and has anyone else received > > > this lately? > > Yep. I got five or six of them, all 'from' different people, but on > > closer examination, they all originated from the same place. I just got a load of emails just as you describe too. -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 23 13:51:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25300 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:50:57 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 25680]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10543-16472>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:49:20 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974116-252>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:39:53 -0400 Received: from rocky.linklaters.com ([194.129.194.2] HELO rocky.linklaters.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 53725]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974120-252>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:39:38 -0400 Received: by rocky.linklaters.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA03778; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:41:43 +0100 Received: from colmail(194.203.226.2) by rocky via smap (V2.0beta) id xma003759; Thu, 23 Oct 97 12:41:29 +0100 Received: from manning (manning [194.203.226.3]) by colmail (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14474; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:37:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710231137.MAA14474@colmail> Received: by manning (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA06018; Thu, 23 Oct 97 12:40:49 +0100 From: Daniel Shimmin Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:40:30 +0100 To: Andy Fawcett Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: pipex X-Pge: 0,genie877603556.461.5,0,0,manning877603344.633.1472 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (MindShare 3.61) X-Mailer: MindShare 3.61 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > One thing that is common to them is the use of a Mailer called > 'VTi' which AFAIK is the mailer used by Argonet users. Correct (it was written by Tom Cooper IIRC). > Pipex are Argonet's upstream provider if I'm not mistaken... Also correct. (Coincidence of the moment is that Pipex just phoned me up about something entirely unrelated about ten seconds ago...) (Actually, to be more precise Argo are a Pipex reseller - but they do have their own web server and other bits). > One theory I had (which may be wrong) is that somebody is subbed > to the list from Argonet, and has written a program to reap > email addresses. If they are, they're going to get stomped on in a big way. (Although it will take a little while to prod Argonet themselves into action). > If they are, I suggest they stop now before > I write to Argonet's abuse department. Argo aren't clueful enough to have an abuse department - mail to abuse@argonet.co.uk will bounce (or at least it did last time I checked). I've just spent a little while on the phone to Argo support in an attempt to inform them of the situation. It wasn't an especially easy conversation - I normally expect "heads-up" warnings to be received with a bit more comprehension. ("I don't understand what you mean; we can't do anything." "Hmm. You don't have an acceptable use policy for e-mail, do you?" "A what?"). The conclusion (after a bit of prodding) was that Argo /will/ act if one of its users is engaged in unreasonable activity; and that if there is a problem you should forward the messages to support@argonet.co.uk (obviously you'll want to include all headers) so that they can look into it. I'd recommend you (and everyone else who's received this stuff) do so as soon as possible. (Although, not having received anything myself, I don't know how serious the problem is). dgs (An Argo subscriber in fact, but not in attitude...) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 23 19:51:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27589 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:50:18 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 7759]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1282-16472>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:42:08 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974194-248>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:34:29 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.30.11] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 46086]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974186-252>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:31:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id QAA03669; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:24:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:24:24 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: Andy Fawcett cc: Ale Terlevich , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: pipex In-Reply-To: <344F1302.3D4B@lspace.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Andy Fawcett wrote: > Ale Terlevich wrote: > > > > > I have here a load of mails (around 20 - 30) that suddenly turned > > > up this morning (they weren't there last night): > > > Anyone got any idea what this is, and has anyone else received > > > this lately? > > Yep. I got five or six of them, all 'from' different people, but on > > closer examination, they all originated from the same place. > > > > I have no idea what they are, or who pipex is, but they seem to be > > reading all my mail! > ~~> I've just had a shedload more of them, all relating to messages posted > to the list in the last week. You're not the only ones. I think the messages are either being posted to the list itself, or we're all getting 'mailed. Has anyone starting hassling argo about it yet? -- James Craig (grin) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 24 03:18:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA30488 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:18:40 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 32828]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19982-16472>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:12:47 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974279-475>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:21:29 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 50255]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974355-477>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:19:07 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA25433 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:54:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Oct 97 22:56:54 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25930 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:11:56 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00683 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:11:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199710232011.VAA00683@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Installed at last! To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:11:57 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9710221938.AA25337@mars.cableol.net> from "John Lagrue" at Oct 22, 97 08:38:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO John Lagrue writes: > Russell: any news yet on driving the IDEFS interface from ICS? I'm dying > to get Linux running here on my machine too. Indeed. Tonight, a couple of ICS IDEFS (ARCIN V5 and ARCIN V6) interfaces turned up, and I've just tried it and got: hda: Conner Peripherals 1080MB - CFS1081A, 1032MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=2097/16/63 hdb: CD-ROM CDU76E, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 9 hdc: probing with STATUS instead of ALTSTATUS hdc: Conner Peripherals 1080MB - CFS1081A, 1032MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=2097/16/63 ide1 at 0x80003a00-0x80003a07,0x80003aa0 on irq 35 Partition check: hdc: [ADFS] hdc1 [Linux] hdc2 < hdc3 hdc4 > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M, fd1 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 scsi : 0 hosts. scsi : detected total. hda: [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 < hda3 hda4 hda5 > hdc: [ADFS] hdc1 [Linux] hdc2 < hdc3 hdc4 > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. I can see two problems with at as it stands: 1) It's not finding ALTSTATUS (& therefore is not finding the device control register) 2) It's asking for the partition information too early. I'm looking into both of these now... In fact, the second is probably already fixed by the time you get this email... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 24 05:11:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA30979 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:11:47 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 10050]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20195-16472>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:59:56 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974229-475>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:34:42 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 51177]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974316-475>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:32:01 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA27450 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:31:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Oct 97 23:33:42 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26392 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:31:37 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA00322 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:31:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199710232231.XAA00322@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Good News: ICS IDE i/f on RiscPCs with ARM Linux To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:31:27 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9710221938.AA25337@mars.cableol.net> from "John Lagrue" at Oct 22, 97 08:38:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO John Lagrue writes: > Russell: any news yet on driving the IDEFS interface from ICS? I'm dying > to get Linux running here on my machine too. Good news tonight on that subject: After a couple of hours of work & testing, both the ARCIN V5 and ARCIN V6 now work in my RiscPC! At first, the ARCIN V5 appeared to work, but sometime after mounting a partition off a Conner drive (readonly) and listing directories recursively, it got the IRQs timing out. I shall upload a new kernel image this weekend that should work with these interface cards. Please note: 1) I have not tested it on any other machines other than this RiscPC I have (Iss. 3), and as such, I don't know if it's going to work on the A5000, nor any of the other RiscPCs for that matter. 2) The detection of the ARCIN V5 or V6 is critial to the operation of the interface. If you have an ARCIN V5, the podule description (shown by *Podules under RiscOS, or at kernel boot up) must be: 'IDE Interface'. Similarly, ARCIN V6 must be 'IDE USER PORT Expansion Card'. If not, then the interface will not be recognised (and a warning printed in the kernel messages). 3) DMA mode on ARCIN V6 is not yet supported (note the use of yet). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 24 05:25:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA31139 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:25:03 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 10050]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19692-16472>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:21:09 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974219-477>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:37:27 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 51180]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974317-477>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:32:02 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA27454; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:31:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Oct 97 23:33:47 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26240; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:02:57 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA00403; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:02:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199710232202.XAA00403@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: pipex To: 9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk (James Craig) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:02:50 +0100 (BST) Cc: tap@lspace.org, A.I.Terlevich@durham.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "James Craig" at Oct 23, 97 04:24:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO James Craig writes: > You're not the only ones. > I think the messages are either being posted to the list itself, or we're > all getting 'mailed. Has anyone starting hassling argo about it yet? > -- James Craig > (grin) I have sent argo a mail containing all of those mails that I've received so far from them, with some explaination that a lot of people are getting annoyed with it etc etc. If they haven't fixed it by the show, I'm going to moan at them every day while I'm at the show. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 24 05:31:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA31147 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:30:53 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 55626]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10967-16472>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:28:57 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974219-475>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:46:47 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 51621]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974223-477>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:46:09 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA25438; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:54:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Oct 97 22:56:58 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25942; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:16:19 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00741; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:16:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199710232016.VAA00741@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: pipex To: dshimmin@linklaters.com (Daniel Shimmin) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:16:22 +0100 (BST) Cc: tap@lspace.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199710231137.MAA14474@colmail> from "Daniel Shimmin" at Oct 23, 97 12:40:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Daniel Shimmin writes: > The conclusion (after a bit of prodding) was that Argo /will/ > act if one of its users is engaged in unreasonable activity; > and that if there is a problem you should forward the messages to > support@argonet.co.uk (obviously you'll want to include all > headers) so that they can look into it. > > I'd recommend you (and everyone else who's received this stuff) do > so as soon as possible. (Although, not having received anything > myself, I don't know how serious the problem is). Ok, I'll just send them the contents of my 'crap' mailbox, which contains all these ACKs received so far... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 24 13:49:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01573 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:49:30 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 57678]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11168-16472>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:38:04 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971724-245>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:41:41 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2038]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971730-245>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:41:24 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id JAA28869; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:39:47 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199710240839.JAA28869@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: pipex To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux Admin) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:39:45 +0100 (BST) Cc: 9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk, tap@lspace.org, A.I.Terlevich@durham.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199710232202.XAA00403@raistlin.armlinux.org> from "Russell King - ARM Linux Admin" at Oct 23, 97 11:02:50 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I have sent argo a mail containing all of those mails that I've received so > far from them, with some explaination that a lot of people are getting > annoyed with it etc etc. If they haven't fixed it by the show, I'm going > to moan at them every day while I'm at the show. Make sure you do it right next to someone they are about to sign up - preferably business customers. Salesdroids _hate_ that one. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 25 15:20:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12397 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:20:36 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 38466]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1484-27154>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:21:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970923-245>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:19:18 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 57160]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970970-245>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:19:02 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id PAA20756 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:20:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Oct 97 15:22:14 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27543 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:50:40 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00394 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:50:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199710250850.JAA00394@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Mail Strip (Was pipex) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:50:36 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO These ack messages that people seem to be getting appear to be the result of a program that argonet promote, called MailStrip. Their web page says: Any mail, whether killed or not, may have an automatic reply generated so you can either acknowledge receipt or (for killed mails) tell the sender that their mail has been bounced. Isn't this automatic acknowledgement depreciated by some RFC or something like that? ie. the only time that an acknowledgement is generated is if the sender specifically asks for one? You can read all about MailStrip on argonet's web site: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pirate.king/progs.html If you have a copy of MailStrip and are thinking about using it, or are using it, then please do one of the following: 1) check and fix your configuration. 2) delete the stupid program and mail support@argonet.co.uk to tell them that it is a turkey. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 25 17:38:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13115 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:38:07 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 25201]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1421-27154>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:37:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971063-249>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:35:48 -0400 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 44554]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970970-245>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:35:42 -0400 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1008681; 25 Oct 97 17:03 BST Message-ID: <34521749.340A20DF@treblig.org> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:59:05 +0100 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.57 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Mail Strip (Was pipex) References: <199710250850.JAA00394@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > You can read all about MailStrip on argonet's web site: > http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pirate.king/progs.html > > If you have a copy of MailStrip and are thinking about using it, or > are using it, then please do one of the following: > 1) check and fix your configuration. > 2) delete the stupid program and mail support@argonet.co.uk to tell them > that it is a turkey. I had a good conversation with Argonet support yesterday and they said that: It is NOT their program That page is one of their users - ? who wrote the program? However a lot of their users use it. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Oct 25 18:37:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13488 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:37:53 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 7689]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1928-27154>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:37:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971070-249>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:35:59 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1260]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971089-249>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:35:43 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id SAA22045; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:35:09 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199710251735.SAA22045@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Mail Strip (Was pipex) To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux Admin) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:35:06 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199710250850.JAA00394@raistlin.armlinux.org> from "Russell King - ARM Linux Admin" at Oct 25, 97 09:50:36 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Isn't this automatic acknowledgement depreciated by some RFC or something > like that? ie. the only time that an acknowledgement is generated is > if the sender specifically asks for one? Quite specifically so Can I suggest simply deleting all argonet users from the vger lists indefinitely From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Oct 26 00:23:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA15640 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:23:47 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 44372]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1323-10211>; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 02:23:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971121-245>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:54:17 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 65323]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971105-249>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:54:02 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA08297; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:55:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Oct 97 22:57:23 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA29018; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:12:28 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id BAA01292; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 01:16:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199710180016.BAA01292@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Old archimedes To: Philip.Blundell@pobox.com (Philip Blundell) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 01:16:16 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Oct 17, 97 08:37:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > > I've put together a small web page for ARM Linux on old machines - > >it is: > > I'll see if I can find time to get something going on A5000-style hardware > too, since nobody else seems to be doing it and my A5k isn't doing a lot at > the moment. Not quite correct atm - I am working on it, but alas, I can't run the kernel for long (since my setup here *relies* on the A5k for all machines not to report NFS server ... not responding)... I am currently testing the new AcornSCSI driver (which is the reason why I can't currently use the new kernels). However, A5k should actually be ok to compile up from the latest code (it seems to work ok for the little time I've run it). This weekend I could upload the kernel that I have been using to test this new driver. I do have a root disk now for the A5k, but I can't get it to do an install on a 4MB machine, nor 8MB if you're using a HD image (both situations they run out of memory), and this is a kernel with no modules inserted! BTW, I'm not seeing many patches from people compiling the kernel, so I'll assume that it's ok. This also goes for the porting as well - I'm assuming that no one is adding any code. However, if people are modifing the code, then I would really like to have patches to integrate into the tree. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Oct 26 00:44:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA15799 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:44:19 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 16992]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11319-10211>; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 02:42:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971121-249>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:49:04 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 33184]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971105-245>; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:48:49 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA08304; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:55:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Oct 97 22:57:29 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA29019; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:12:28 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00708; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:58:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199710162158.WAA00708@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: libgcc1.a and making a cross compiler (gcc) To: dg@cogency.co.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:58:51 +0100 (BST) Cc: A.S.McGough@newcastle.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <3446518F.DD31BEB0@cogency.co.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at Oct 16, 97 05:40:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO David Alan Gilbert writes: > > PS. any chance of a boot loader for riscos2 or even the source code so I > > can try patching it myself. > > I'm going to try and hack one of these together over the weekend; no > promises mind you. I have a very old primitive boot loader that > Russ gave me a long time ago which I hacked about with - it ran on RISC OS2. If someone is willing to give it a go (and report the problems) then I'll certainly get the latest loader going on the arc machines. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Oct 26 12:41:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19967 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:41:47 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 11594]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1603-5346>; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:42:03 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971249-245>; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 07:39:56 -0500 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.30.11] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 46411]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971243-249>; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 07:39:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id MAA00081; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:37:45 GMT Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:37:45 +0000 (GMT) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: David Alan Gilbert , A.S.McGough@newcastle.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: libgcc1.a and making a cross compiler (gcc) In-Reply-To: <199710162158.WAA00708@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > David Alan Gilbert writes: > > > PS. any chance of a boot loader for riscos2 or even the source code so I > > > can try patching it myself. > > > > I'm going to try and hack one of these together over the weekend; no > > promises mind you. I have a very old primitive boot loader that > > Russ gave me a long time ago which I hacked about with - it ran on RISC OS2. > > If someone is willing to give it a go (and report the problems) then I'll > certainly get the latest loader going on the arc machines. I've just aquired an A410/1 with RISC OS 2 still in it, so I'll happily test a new loader as well. -- James Craig From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Oct 26 18:06:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21947 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:06:07 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 4409]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1363-5346>; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:06:18 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971295-249>; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:04:09 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 46246]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971298-245>; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:03:54 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id SAA15737 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:05:18 GMT Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex7) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 97 18:07:30 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA31122 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:05:32 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id SAA07457 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:05:17 GMT Message-Id: <199710261805.SAA07457@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: New kernel supporting ICS cards available To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:05:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all! A new kernel (2.0.31-1997.10.26) has been uploaded that should work with ICS IDE cards (but I still don't know about PartMan and their partitioning scheme)... Feel free to try it out! It should work with the latest root/supplemental disks, but I haven't tried it out as yet. Let me know how it goes on your system! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 27 07:47:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA26943 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:47:38 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 54834]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11426-5346>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:46:04 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971516-245>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 02:43:32 -0500 Received: from campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([137.226.116.240] EHLO Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 41997]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971512-249>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 02:43:17 -0500 Received: from ikki (ikki.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.104]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.7/RBI-Z14) with SMTP id IAA02914 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:44:50 +0100 (MET) Received: by ikki (4.1/POOLMH.3) id AA00310; Mon, 27 Oct 97 08:44:46 +0100 From: marx@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Thomas Marx) Message-Id: <9710270744.AA00310@ikki> Subject: Prob with installer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:44:45 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I just managed to copy the RH distribution directory structure to an ext2 partition, installed packages, set keyboard, gave a system password and ... the installer throw error : Cannot find a kernel. Where does this kernel has to be? I wonder theres no kernel RPM pack. Does this matter? Thanx in advance. C U, Tom From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 27 10:43:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27986 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:43:24 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 50464]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11612-22156>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:19:37 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971726-249>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:17:17 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 18273]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971719-249>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:17:01 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (KAA05776); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:16:21 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:16:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: Thomas Marx cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Prob with installer In-Reply-To: <9710270744.AA00310@ikki> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Thomas Marx wrote: > Hi! > I just managed to copy the RH distribution directory structure to an ext2 > partition, installed packages, set keyboard, gave a system password and ... > the installer throw error : Cannot find a kernel. Where does this kernel > has to be? I wonder theres no kernel RPM pack. Does this matter? > > Thanx in advance. > C U, Tom I'm not sure exactly what RedHat does with any kernel it finds. I think it's to do with setting up a bootloader, and a linux-side bootloader isn't currently available to my knowledge. What I did was to shell out (ctrl-z) and sync the drives. Since no paths will be set up at this stage, you'll have to do it manually, using /mnt/bin/sync. I'm not sure if this path is correct - sync will be somewhere around though on your newly-installed-to ext2 partition. After that and a quick reboot, you should be able to boot into linux and login as root. If you don't sync, you could have some really nasty problems with fsck when you try and boot back in. If you do do a sync first, fsck will go through your drive for a fair amount of time, but will manage to 'fix' everything ok (though actually nothing should need fixing). Hope this helps, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Oct 27 10:44:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27990 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:44:29 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 13605]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11841-22156>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:25:48 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971726-245>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:23:16 -0500 Received: from mailserv.eidos.co.uk ([194.129.24.3] EHLO mailserv.eidos.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1923]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971719-245>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:23:01 -0500 Received: from 172.16.3.14 by mailserv.eidos.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id TBFDHTJ5; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:24:12 -0000 Received: from bunuel.eidos.co.uk (bunuel [172.16.3.13]) by scott.eidos.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11277 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:45:55 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:22:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian Brunswick Subject: Re: Prob with installer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9710270744.AA00310@ikki> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Eidos Technologies Ltd. +44 181 636 3398 X-PersonalHomePage: http://www.skarpsey.demon.co.uk/ X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.29] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In on Mon 27 Oct, Thomas Marx wrote: > Hi! > I just managed to copy the RH distribution directory structure to an ext2 > partition, installed packages, set keyboard, gave a system password and ... > the installer throw error : Cannot find a kernel. Where does this kernel > has to be? I wonder theres no kernel RPM pack. Does this matter? > > Thanx in advance. > C U, Tom > > THis is covered by the FAQ, but it got me too. Look under the Clan CD section - you need to shut down the install disks carefully using /mnt/bin/sync from the second console (if you didn't do this first time definately redo the install from scratch) Then boot up from the adfs kernel with a manually entered kernel parameter root=/dev/whatever Then copy the kernel in by hand and configure loadmap. -- The past is a fading dream, the future mere speculation - live for the moment! Brian Brunswick bdb@eidos.co.uk Disclaimer. Short sig rules OK From port-arm32-owner-MRW103=UNIX.YORK.AC.UK@NetBSD.ORG Tue Oct 28 11:04:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from pump2.york.ac.uk (pump2.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.12]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04144 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:04:36 GMT Received: from mail.NetBSD.ORG (homeworld.cygnus.com [205.180.83.70]) by pump2.york.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA14461 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:04:44 GMT Received: (qmail 6598 invoked by uid 605); 28 Oct 1997 11:04:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 6589 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1997 11:04:22 -0000 Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@131.111.8.48) by homeworld.cygnus.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 1997 11:04:22 -0000 Received: from sjb42 by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xQ9R0-0003Bk-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:03:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:03:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "S.J. Borrill" To: port-arm32@NetBSD.ORG Subject: EtherH and Simtec IDE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: port-arm32-owner@NetBSD.ORG Precedence: list Delivered-To: port-arm32@NetBSD.ORG Status: RO Am I right in thinking that the new EtherH driver is in kernel 5828? I'm getting a lot of the following errors: EHDEBUG: Remote 16 wasn't finished : spl level 6 EHDEBUG: SetReg done : status 18 : type 16 EHDEBUG: COM_WRITE : About to SetReg ( EH_DATA_PORT, dummy ); ehstart: failed to load packet Also, any ideas on my cable fault (cs) error that I posted a while ago when I try to boot from a drive on a Simtec IDE interface? Stephen Borrill From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 28 12:48:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04868 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:48:05 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 46875]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1877-27915>; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:46:39 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970901-245>; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:43:41 -0500 Received: from [194.201.189.33] ([194.201.189.33] HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1494]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970897-249>; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:43:25 -0500 Received: from cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA02309; Tue, 28 Oct 97 12:45:38 GMT Message-Id: <3455DE70.D515F454@cogency.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:45:36 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: StrongARM in light of Digital/Intel agreement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, For those of you who haven't heard yet, Digital and Intel have settled their patent war. The price is that Digital is selling its chip fabrication facilities to Intel (at what some might regard as a very low price) and also giving some (all??-Alpha) of its semiconductor design teams to Intel. Does anyone on the list know what position this puts the StrongARM in? Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Oct 28 12:56:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04885 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:56:35 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 17952]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1471-27915>; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:55:43 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971884-245>; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:52:47 -0500 Received: from rocky.linklaters.com ([194.129.194.2] HELO rocky.linklaters.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 53356]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971877-245>; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:52:32 -0500 Received: by rocky.linklaters.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA08681; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:54:34 GMT Received: from colmail(194.203.226.2) by rocky via smap (V2.0beta) id xma008652; Tue, 28 Oct 97 12:54:06 GMT Received: from manning (manning [194.203.226.3]) by colmail (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15873; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:53:41 GMT Message-Id: <199710281253.MAA15873@colmail> Received: by manning (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA04633; Tue, 28 Oct 97 12:53:38 GMT From: Daniel Shimmin Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:53:33 +0000 To: David Alan Gilbert Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM in light of Digital/Intel agreement X-Pge: 0,ipswich878043138.424.5,0,0,manning878043015.543.2488 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (MindShare 3.61) X-Mailer: MindShare 3.61 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Does anyone on the list know what position this puts the > StrongARM in? Intel takes over StrongARM production as well, from what I've heard (third-hand rumour, mind you...) dgs From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 29 19:44:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16563 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:44:57 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36368]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11363-18065>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:38:33 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970794-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:36:42 -0500 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 38487]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971361-261>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:21:45 -0500 Received: from stordir.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.86]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1014198; 29 Oct 97 17:25 GMT Received: from mike-k6 by stordir.demon.co.uk Wed, 29 Oct 97 17:03:07 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mark smith Organization: Storage Direct Ltd. To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:05:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: StrongARM in light of Digital/Intel agreement In-reply-to: <199710281253.MAA15873@colmail> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Message-ID: <878145956.1014198.0@stordir.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well unfortunately Intel does get the StrongARM Risc chip technology.... .... Bugger! Its on the front page of the October 29 1997 issue (Issue 1041) of PC Dealer. Mark mark@storagedirect.REMOVETHISBIT.com > > Does anyone on the list know what position this puts the > > StrongARM in? > > Intel takes over StrongARM production as well, from what I've > heard (third-hand rumour, mind you...) > > dgs > From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 29 21:09:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17032 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:09:33 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 6228]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17535-18065>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:59:14 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971362-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:55:51 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1055]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971613-261>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:17:00 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA14673 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:04:12 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199710291504.PAA14673@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: no VRAM To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:04:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I sneaked into a deserted spodpit last night, unplugged one of their machines and downloaded everything the instructions said to. Then I tried to boot the kernel. The screen fills up with garbage and nothing further happens. Is this due to having no VRAM? I have a 4MB SIMM and a 16MB SIMM, I've tried swapping them round and removing the 4. Doesn't work. I'll be buying a megabyte at the show, so this is only a temporary setback if that's the reason. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 29 21:34:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17221 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:34:23 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 55658]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11790-18065>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:31:44 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971537-261>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:29:53 -0500 Received: from charity.harvard.net ([206.137.222.16] EHLO charity.harvard.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4764]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971609-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:12:34 -0500 Received: from xedia.com (madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) by charity.harvard.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02018; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from kona. by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18097; Wed, 29 Oct 97 14:46:44 EST Received: by kona. (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16012; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:47:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:47:13 -0500 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <9710291947.AA16012@kona.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address From: Paul Koning To: mark@storagedirect.com Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM in light of Digital/Intel agreement References: <199710281253.MAA15873@colmail> <878145956.1014198.0@stordir.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <19971029212953Z971537-261+121@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO >>>>> "Mark" == Mark smith writes: Mark> Well unfortunately Intel does get the StrongARM Risc chip Mark> technology.... Considering they have nothing like it, that may not be bad. It lets them try for a market they don't currently have... paul From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 29 22:42:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17777 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:42:55 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 47387]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1797-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:29:46 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971700-261>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:28:02 -0500 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1617]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971336-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:59:30 -0500 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id UAA04816; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:40:53 GMT From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199710292040.UAA04816@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: StrongARM in light of Digital/Intel agreement To: mark@storagedirect.com (Mark smith) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:40:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <878145956.1014198.0@stordir.demon.co.uk> from "Mark smith" at Oct 29, 97 05:05:49 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Well unfortunately Intel does get the StrongARM Risc chip > technology.... I've had it confirmed by a Digital semi guy whose about to become an Intel empire droid From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 22:54:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17785 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:54:34 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA11219; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:55:09 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Oct 97 22:57:21 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03171; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:33:44 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA02282; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:33:35 GMT Message-Id: <199710292233.WAA02282@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: no VRAM To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:33:31 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199710291504.PAA14673@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Oct 29, 97 03:04:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > I sneaked into a deserted spodpit last night, unplugged one of their > machines and downloaded everything the instructions said to. Then I > tried to boot the kernel. The screen fills up with garbage and nothing > further happens. Is this due to having no VRAM? I have a 4MB SIMM and > a 16MB SIMM, I've tried swapping them round and removing the 4. Doesn't > work. I'll be buying a megabyte at the show, so this is only a temporary > setback if that's the reason. You are quite correct. Linux needs at least 1MB VRAM... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 29 22:58:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17808 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:58:21 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 60458]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17803-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:40:29 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971483-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:38:42 -0500 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 34784]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971596-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:16:15 -0500 Received: from qsure.demon.co.uk ([158.152.110.121]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1008297; 29 Oct 97 21:11 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:07:26 +0000 From: Ben Jefferys To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Where to put Linux installation files? Message-ID: <7b15d6e047%ben@qsure.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199710291504.PAA14673@odie.barnet.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi (Hello), I've got the stuff to install Linux from the Acorn Clan CD. I understand this wasn't the whole thing - there were no kernels (it seemed) and I had to upgrade the !PartMan app from the Web site. Two questions: 1. Do I need the other two directories in RedHat that are not supplied on the Clan disc (RedHat/RPMS *is* supplied)? 2. Is there some cunning place I can put these (and the other) files so that the RedHat installer can access them? I have no network card, my other HD is a PowerTec SCSI (I'm installing it on the original 420Mb IDE drive), and it won't accept the CD as it isn't the RedHat one. This is something I'm sure someone else must have tackled successfully ;) Thanks for any help! -- . . ..Ben Jefferys.. . . . . ..Docklands.. . . . . ..London.. . . From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 29 23:20:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18002 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:20:58 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 16191]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17977-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:10:35 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971179-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:08:38 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 61407]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971196-261>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:05:12 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA11228; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:55:13 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Oct 97 22:57:25 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03179; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:36:46 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA02358; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:36:39 GMT Message-Id: <199710292236.WAA02358@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: StrongARM in light of Digital/Intel agreement To: pkoning@xedia.com (Paul Koning) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:36:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mark@storagedirect.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <19971029212953Z971537-261+121@vger.rutgers.edu> from "Paul Koning" at Oct 29, 97 02:47:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Paul Koning writes: > Mark> Well unfortunately Intel does get the StrongARM Risc chip > Mark> technology.... > > Considering they have nothing like it, that may not be bad. It lets > them try for a market they don't currently have... Or does it allow Intel to shut down DECs manufacturing lines and get them producing Pentiums as well (not StrongARMs)... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 29 23:21:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18006 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:21:50 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 16191]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17698-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:11:37 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970875-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:09:56 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 61399]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971187-261>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:05:11 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id WAA11210 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:55:06 GMT Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Oct 97 22:57:17 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03215 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:52:31 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA02502 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:52:25 GMT Message-Id: <199710292252.WAA02502@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: AU Show To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:52:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all... Well, it looks like I will be at the show with my RiscPC on the ARM Club stand... Yes, I just got everything finally sorted out around 5 mins ago. Don't expect too much from ARM Linux there - it's going to be a rush job to produce a sheet etc (it'll probably be similar to last years sheet). However, I will have space for hard drives, and I should have a CD ROM image ready for writing (it's actually generating while I write this email). However, the CD ROM image will not be on CD by the show. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Oct 29 23:35:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18011 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:34:39 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 22859]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2038-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:33:03 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970883-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:31:20 -0500 Received: from mail.onaustralia.com.au ([139.134.5.225] HELO teapot06.onaustralia.com.au ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3938]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970875-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:31:04 -0500 Received: from bn-a04-pool-204.tmns.net.au (bn-a04-pool-204.tmns.net.au [139.134.41.204]) by teapot06.onaustralia.com.au (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id aa548392 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:32:14 +1100 From: "dantodd" To: "Alan Cox" , "Mark smith" Cc: Subject: Re: StrongARM in light of Digital/Intel agreement Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:25:48 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <23321429648898@onaustralia.com.au> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > From: Alan Cox > To: Mark smith > Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu > Subject: Re: StrongARM in light of Digital/Intel agreement > Date: Thursday, 30 October 1997 7:40 > > > Well unfortunately Intel does get the StrongARM Risc chip > > technology.... > > I've had it confirmed by a Digital semi guy whose about to become an Intel > empire droid Would this be a breach of ARM's licencing agreement? Is this effectively giving Intel a free licence to produce chips with ARM's core or 'clones'? Dan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 01:44:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA18896 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:44:43 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 16511]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18252-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:05:29 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971203-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:03:52 -0500 Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52131]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971181-257>; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:03:35 -0500 Received: from starswan.demon.co.uk ([158.152.62.229]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1018564; 30 Oct 97 1:00 GMT From: Steve Dicks To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: How DO you install the Clan CD? Reply-To: steve@starswan.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:12:22 GMT Message-ID: <19971029.231222.09@starswan.demon.co.uk> Organization: Starswan Systems Ltd X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.39 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.57d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Wonderful I thought, as I found ARM Linux as a 65Mb X-File on the Clan CD. But just how do you run the RedHat installer? When I get to the part about 'where is Redhat/base and RedHat/RPMS' I draw a blank, as they are sitting in an X-File on the RiscOS side of my HD, and hence nowhere to be seen as far as the RedHat installer is concerned. I feel that I'm sooo close to installing, but I'm missing something vital... -- Steve Dicks - Starswan Systems Ltd Hertfordshire's premier one-man Systems Consultancy ... Today is cancelled due to lack of interest! From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 09:20:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21372 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:20:58 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 27252]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1290-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:19:29 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970802-257>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:17:54 -0500 Received: from nirvana.acorn.co.uk ([136.170.135.32] HELO nirvana.acorn.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49912]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970799-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:17:38 -0500 Received: from ether78.acorn.co.uk by nirvana.acorn.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA27203; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:18:21 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:18:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Pete Goodliffe Subject: Getting to grips with ArmLinux To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199710291504.PAA14673@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, United Kingdom X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Good morning! Thanks to everyone who replies to messages on this mailing list, I've been silently reading it for a few weeks, and with the information found I've managed to get linux installed on my machine. Hurrah! However questions arise: When lines of text reach the bottom of a screen all further text becomes corrupted. Does anyone else experience this, and is it easily solved? Is it usual to not be able to switch virtual terminals once X has started? Pete From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 09:25:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21386 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:25:38 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12408]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1766-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:24:46 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970799-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:23:01 -0500 Received: from danablue.vision.auc.dk ([130.225.49.152] EHLO danablue.vision.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 47441]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970796-257>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:22:45 -0500 Received: from thorsen.vision.auc.dk by danablue.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5.970211.1) id KAA02625; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:23:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (bme@localhost) by thorsen.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5-970304) id JAA08576; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:23:23 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:23:23 GMT Message-Id: <199710300923.JAA08576@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> From: Bernhard Mogens Ege To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu CC: Pete Goodliffe Subject: Getting to grips with ArmLinux In-Reply-To: References: <199710291504.PAA14673@odie.barnet.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>>>> "Pete" == Pete Goodliffe writes: > Good morning! Thanks to everyone who replies to messages on this > mailing list, I've been silently reading it for a few weeks, and with > the information found I've managed to get linux installed on my > machine. Hurrah! However questions arise: > When lines of text reach the bottom of a screen all further text > becomes corrupted. Does anyone else experience this, and is it easily > solved? > Is it usual to not be able to switch virtual terminals once X has > started? > Pete I am experiencing the exact same problems and have not been able to find the cause. I have been told that the bootloader v. 3.14 should fix it, but it has not been released yet. Bernhard -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bernhard Mogens Ege, M.Sc.E.E. | | E-mail: bme@vision.auc.dk Laboratory of Image Analysis | /( | Direct call: +45 96 35 87 85 Institute of Electronic Systems | ._//( | Switchboard: +45 96 35 80 80 Aalborg University | / | \ | Fax: +45 98 15 40 08 Frederik Bajersvej 7, D1-205 | A A U | Homepage: DK-9220 Aalborg East | | http://www.vision.auc.dk/~bme ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Home: H.C.Andersens Vej 26 st.mf., DK-9000 Aalborg, Phone: +45 20 42 99 26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 10:14:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21725 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:14:20 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 24335]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1930-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:12:44 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970795-257>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 05:11:26 -0500 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.30.11] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 57411]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970793-257>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 05:11:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id KAA24626; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:11:50 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:11:49 +0000 (GMT) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: Bernhard Mogens Ege cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, Pete Goodliffe Subject: Re: Getting to grips with ArmLinux In-Reply-To: <199710300923.JAA08576@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Bernhard Mogens Ege wrote: > >>>>> "Pete" == Pete Goodliffe writes: > > > Good morning! Thanks to everyone who replies to messages on this > > mailing list, I've been silently reading it for a few weeks, and with > > the information found I've managed to get linux installed on my > > machine. Hurrah! However questions arise: > > > When lines of text reach the bottom of a screen all further text > > becomes corrupted. Does anyone else experience this, and is it easily > > solved? > > > Is it usual to not be able to switch virtual terminals once X has > > started? > > > Pete > > I am experiencing the exact same problems and have not been able to find > the cause. I have been told that the bootloader v. 3.14 should fix it, > but it has not been released yet. > > Bernhard OK, I can't answer the bit about the junk at the bottom of the screen. However, I think I know the answer to the X bit. :) Under X in linux, you've normally got to use not just alt-Fn to switch to a different VT, you've got to use Ctrl-Alt-Fn. This causes no end of chaos for newbies - on #linux(IRC), it's one of the most commonly asked questions. Anyway, try Ctrl-Alt-Fn to switch *away* from X, and just alt-Fn to switch back. Note that X doesn't run on the VT you started it on! It's probably on F7 or thereabouts. -- James Craig From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 12:45:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22786 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:45:23 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 27974]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1387-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:44:09 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970799-257>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:42:08 -0500 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk ([144.173.6.14] HELO hermes.ex.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1872]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970794-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:41:38 -0500 Received: from hebe [144.173.6.23] by hermes via SMTP (MAA03445); Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:40:03 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:40:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@hebe To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: How DO you install the Clan CD? In-Reply-To: <19971029.231222.09@starswan.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Steve Dicks wrote: > Wonderful I thought, as I found ARM Linux as a 65Mb X-File on the Clan CD. > But just how do you run the RedHat installer? When I get to the part about > 'where is Redhat/base and RedHat/RPMS' I draw a blank, as they are sitting > in an X-File on the RiscOS side of my HD, and hence nowhere to be seen > as far as the RedHat installer is concerned. I feel that I'm sooo close to > installing, but I'm missing something vital... OK, this email is in reponse to the above, and also to Ben Jefferys' email about the same problem. Please, if anyone knows of a less time-consuming and generally horrible way of doing this, PLEASE say so. Things you will need: "RPMS" off the Clan CD "instimage" off the ftp site "base" off the ftp site (I'm not sure if you NEED this, but I used it) If you haven't yet formatted your linux partition, you'll also need the original 3 discs in 'old-stuff' on the ftp site. These discs were, I assume, the installation discs before RedHat was adopted. Along with the 3 installation discs, there are some instructions on installing the pre-RedHat version of linux. Get these, and follow them. I can't remember how far you have to go with this installation, but you will need to go as far as to format your main linux partition. If there's an easier way to format an ext2 partition please someone tell me. It's not possible to format it and use the following method of installation by using the formatter built in to the redhat installer, since the installer requires a RedHat distribution tree to have been seen before it'll format anything. A simple program that formats a given partition would be nice, and would save a lot of trouble. Now you need to get hold of the RedHat RPMs into a form that you can copy over to armlinux. Copy a section at a time from the x-files archive into a zip file or tar file. Now boot into linux, ensuring you have the binaries 'unzip' and 'cp' on a floppy disc. They can be found in 'instimage' AFAICR, and if they're not there, use those in the original installation discs (the old-stuff ones). When the installer asks you what medium you wish to install from, use 'hard disc'. The supplemental disc will then be asked for, and as soon as that is loaded, you should shell out (^Z) or change to terminal 2 or whatever. Just get any command line prompt, and type: mkdir mnt mkdir adfs mount -t ext2 /dev/hda3 /mnt mount -t adfs /dev/hda1 /adfs mkdir floppy mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy (where hda3 is your formatted linux partition and hda1 is your adfs partition). Now, to create your RedHat installation tree, use: cd mnt mkdir RedHat mkdir RedHat/RPMS mkdir instimage cd instimage /floppy/unzip /adfs/ARMLinux/instimage.zip cd ../RedHat /floppy/unzip /adfs/ARMLinux/RPMS.zip Note that 'instimage.zip' is a zip file of the contents of the 'instimage' directory on the ftp site. Care should be taken that you don't end up with a directory '/mnt/instimage/instimage', and similarly with the RPMS.zip. If you also have the base set (base.zip): mkdir base cd base /floppy/unzip /adfs/ARMLinux/base.zip Where again, base.zip doesn't contain a directory 'base' itself. You may not need base; I don't know. Now you have a complete installation tree on the drive onto which you want to install linux. Now... cd / umount /floppy umount /adfs umount /mnt exit This will put you back into the redHat installer. You should then go through the rest of the installation, specifying that you want to install from hda3 onto hda3 (assuming hda3 is your linux partition). Everything should work fine from here on. Good luck! If someone on the kernel team could make available a small program that will format an ext2 partition which could be loaded off a floppy and run when shelled out from the installer, I will write a complete set of instructions for people installing armlinux from the adfs partition or from the Clan CDROM. I'll sort out all the zip files, set up the directory structure and do everything. I'll even test if by reinstalling linux all over again. Just give me this program (and also ideally a small x-files reader program) and I'll set it all up so you can stick it on the armlinux ftp site. To be honest, I feel it is my duty to help others who are trying to use the same installation method as I took weeks to get working, and I really don't have time to keep on responding to these emails. If there were a set of instructions on the ftp site, such ppl could be simply pointed in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 12:54:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22816 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:54:04 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 45384]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1240-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:49:34 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970801-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:47:04 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27] HELO post.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 33603]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970796-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:46:47 -0500 Received: from ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk ([158.152.81.3]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2010155; 30 Oct 97 12:29 GMT Received: from localhost (rsimpson@localhost) by ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/v3.2) with SMTP id MAA19118; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:31:03 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:31:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Simpson To: Pete Goodliffe cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Getting to grips with ArmLinux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO The text corruption problem happens when you only have 1 Mb VRAM. Russel told me that the new boot loader (3.14?) should fix it. Richard Simpson Farnborough, Hants, Uk Fax: 01252 392118 rsimpson@ewrcsdra.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 13:55:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23286 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:55:42 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 21097]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1208-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:50:25 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970812-257>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:48:21 -0500 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1906]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970796-257>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:48:03 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA23260; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:46:32 GMT From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199710301346.NAA23260@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: How DO you install the Clan CD? To: P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk (Phil Norman) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:46:30 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Phil Norman" at Oct 30, 97 12:40:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > If there's an easier way to format an ext2 partition please someone tell > me. It's not possible to format it and use the following method of > installation by using the formatter built in to the redhat installer, > since the installer requires a RedHat distribution tree to have been seen > before it'll format anything. A simple program that formats a given > partition would be nice, and would save a lot of trouble. Such a program exists, naturally. Download e2fsutils-x.y.tar.gz from a recent mirror of sunsite.unc.edu (or perhaps tsx-11.mit.edu). The one on src.doc is woefully out of date. The latest version of e2fsutils that I'm aware of is version 1.10. You want the program called mke2fs, though this package also contains e2fsck, dumpe2fs and some other interesting programs. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 13:57:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23290 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:57:49 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 11626]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1848-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:56:50 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970796-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:55:10 -0500 Received: from mailserv.eidos.co.uk ([194.129.24.3] EHLO mailserv.eidos.co.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2640]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970803-257>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:54:55 -0500 Received: from 172.16.3.14 by mailserv.eidos.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id TBFDHZLB; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:55:08 -0000 Received: from bunuel.eidos.co.uk (bunuel [172.16.3.13]) by scott.eidos.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04157 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:36:42 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:35:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian Brunswick Subject: Re: How DO you install the Clan CD? To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Eidos Technologies Ltd. +44 181 636 3398 X-PersonalHomePage: http://www.skarpsey.demon.co.uk/ X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.29] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In on Thu 30 Oct, Phil Norman wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Steve Dicks wrote: > > > If there's an easier way to format an ext2 partition please someone tell > me. It's not possible to format it and use the following method of > installation by using the formatter built in to the redhat installer, > since the installer requires a RedHat distribution tree to have been seen > before it'll format anything. A simple program that formats a given > partition would be nice, and would save a lot of trouble. > I found that mke2fs was on the install disks and used that. To do this is was necessary to get around the install disks not having actually created /dev/hda3 or whatever - the version of mount that it uses works because it magically creates its own, and then deletes them again! Use mknod to create them manually. > Now you need to get hold of the RedHat RPMs into a form that you can copy > over to armlinux. Copy a section at a time from the x-files archive into > a zip file or tar file. > > Now boot into linux, ensuring you have the binaries 'unzip' and 'cp' on a > floppy disc. They can be found in 'instimage' AFAICR, and if they're not > there, use those in the original installation discs (the old-stuff ones). > I used cpio from the install disks, which understands tar format. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a riscos version of tar that doesn't damage the file names. > > This will put you back into the redHat installer. You should then go > through the rest of the installation, specifying that you want to install > from hda3 onto hda3 (assuming hda3 is your linux partition). Everything > should work fine from here on. Good luck! Remember to shell back and use /mnt/bin/sync before resetting when you get to the stage of not having a kernel installed. I repeat: not doing this gives you a completely trashed installation. I'd still like to know a technique for making it see kernels that have been manually copied from adfs. > on the armlinux ftp site. To be honest, I feel it is my duty to help > others who are trying to use the same installation method as I took weeks > to get working, and I really don't have time to keep on responding to > these emails. If there were a set of instructions on the ftp site, such > ppl could be simply pointed in the right direction. Very good show! -- The past is a fading dream, the future mere speculation - live for the moment! Brian Brunswick bdb@eidos.co.uk Disclaimer. Short sig rules OK From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 18:53:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25138 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:53:33 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 42864]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11557-18065>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:27:49 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970850-257>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:25:37 -0500 Received: from siddis.his.no ([152.94.2.10] HELO siddis.his.no ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2079]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970862-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:23:28 -0500 Received: from broremann.hsr.no (broremann.hsr.no [152.94.1.10]) by siddis.his.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA06890 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:24:25 +0100 Received: from gorina3.hsr.no (gorina3.hsr.no [152.94.1.43]) by broremann.hsr.no (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA05042; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:24:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199710301824.TAA05042@broremann.hsr.no> Received: by gorina3.hsr.no with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25862; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:24:18 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Cc: ketil-k@hsr.no Subject: Installation problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:24:18 +0100 From: Ketil Kristiansen X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I've tried installing Linux on my RiscPC over FTP, and everything works beatuifully until I get to the "install bootloader" step. It then stops with a "couldn't find a kernel!" error... I haven't been able to find any hints about this anywhere, and I suspect the problem is easy to fix once you know how, so... hints, anyone? -K From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 30 23:40:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26980 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:40:35 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 42304]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <18048-24869>; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:29:00 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970858-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:27:01 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49544]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970874-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:26:27 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA13098; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:27:20 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Oct 97 23:29:30 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04164; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:13:15 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00374; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:13:01 GMT Message-Id: <199710302113.VAA00374@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Getting to grips with ArmLinux To: pgoodliffe@acorn.com (Pete Goodliffe) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:13:01 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Pete Goodliffe" at Oct 30, 97 09:18:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Pete Goodliffe writes: > When lines of text reach the bottom of a screen all further text becomes > corrupted. Does anyone else experience this, and is it easily solved? Other people with 1MB VRAM do experiance this with the old !Linux app (it's the boot loaders fault for not passing the right info onto the kernel). There is a new boot loader in existence in beta testing among a few people, and it should be available at the Acorn Show this weekend. Ok, so not everyone will be going/able to go to the show, and it will be on the FTP site very soon (maybe even tonight). > Is it usual to not be able to switch virtual terminals once X has started? The version of X that ARM Linux uses is vanilla X11R6 - not XFree86. This means that it does not have the console switching features in it yet. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Oct 31 00:16:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27315 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:16:48 GMT Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 1886]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11443-24869>; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 02:12:59 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970901-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:11:27 -0500 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.129.138] EHLO beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 50274]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970875-261>; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:11:10 -0500 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id XAA13106; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:27:24 GMT Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Oct 97 23:29:35 GMT Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04192; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:26:13 GMT From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00408; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:25:58 GMT Message-Id: <199710302125.VAA00408@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: How DO you install the Clan CD? To: P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk (Phil Norman) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:25:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Phil Norman" at Oct 30, 97 12:40:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Phil Norman writes: > Things you will need: > "RPMS" off the Clan CD > "instimage" off the ftp site > "base" off the ftp site (I'm not sure if you NEED this, but I used it) I believe that you will need `base', but I may be wrong. >... > If there's an easier way to format an ext2 partition please someone tell > me. It's not possible to format it and use the following method of > installation by using the formatter built in to the redhat installer, > since the installer requires a RedHat distribution tree to have been seen > before it'll format anything. A simple program that formats a given > partition would be nice, and would save a lot of trouble. There is - mke2fs /dev/xxxx. However, the installer usually creates the special devices (under /tmp) as and when it needs them using mknod. Both should be on the first/second disk. (There is a shell on tty2 [Alt-F2]). > ... > When the installer asks you what medium you wish to install from, use > 'hard disc'. The supplemental disc will then be asked for, and as soon > as that is loaded, you should shell out (^Z) or change to terminal 2 or > whatever. Just get any command line prompt, and type: You can't use ^Z to shell out - the installer does not run on top of a shell. > cd / > umount /floppy > umount /adfs > umount /mnt > exit If you're using tty2, don't exit - you'll loose the shell permanently! Just switch back to tty1 [Alt-F1]. > If someone on the kernel team could make available a small program that > will format an ext2 partition which could be loaded off a floppy and run > when shelled out from the installer, I will write a complete set of > instructions for people installing armlinux from the adfs partition or > from the Clan CDROM. I'll sort out all the zip files, set up the > directory structure and do everything. I'll even test if by reinstalling > linux all over again. Just give me this program (and also ideally a > small x-files reader program) and I'll set it all up so you can stick it > on the armlinux ftp site. To be honest, I feel it is my duty to help > others who are trying to use the same installation method as I took weeks > to get working, and I really don't have time to keep on responding to > these emails. If there were a set of instructions on the ftp site, such > ppl could be simply pointed in the right direction. Also note that the Clan CD is out of date - for instance, the modules-2.0.0 package on it will not be able to cope with >16MB DRAM for a start, but the one on the FTP site will. Please see RedHat/RPMS/newrpms - it contains all the new RPMs since the distribution was first uploaded, so you may have some of them already. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ |