From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 2 18:58:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02857 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:58:37 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 15967]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <871-13322>; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 20:59:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971238-8840>; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:51:25 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] HELO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 47645]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971258-8840>; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:51:09 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:57:54 +0100 Received: from duss0 by dust0 id ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:57:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:57:51 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Any more feedback on ARM Linux? In-Reply-To: <1004.199707222050@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Joseph Heenan writes: > > The new sound module seems to work too, although I still don't get How do you get this to work? I only get noise out. (Sometimes you can just about hear what's meant to be there behind the noise) I've tried both 8 and 16 bit .au and .wav files (and .raw too) in a variety of sample speeds. They play fine on a sun workstation. My setup is SA110 early motherboard with minnie 16bit soundcard. 24MB ram (I'm loading modules using the insmod from the latest root disk, as the one in the modules rpm doesn't work with >=24MB machines) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 6 17:56:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08505 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:56:34 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 47740]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2929-4722>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:47:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971479-20977>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:37:40 -0400 Received: from [151.196.69.100] ([151.196.69.100] EHLO www-dc-09.digiserve.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 40380]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971558-20975>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:51:56 -0400 Received: from pingu.itl.net (ap153-12.itl.net [194.145.12.153]) by www-dc-09.digiserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA27638 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970806105637.00672d6c@digiserve.com> X-Sender: garan@digiserve.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:56:37 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Garan Jenkin Subject: image files X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi I am unable to repartition my hard disc as I have no way of backing it up :( Is the image filing system that I heard about ready yet? Is there a non destructive repartitioner available for riscos? bye for now! Garan -- garan @ digiserve . com garan @ etoncomp . demon . co . uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 6 23:09:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10023 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:09:05 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 53024]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15988-11404>; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:07:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972177-20977>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:57:43 -0400 Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk ([192.84.78.5] EHLO mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 9493]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972230-20975>; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:58:23 -0400 Received: (from glyn@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA32338; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:52:34 +0100 From: Glyn Davies Message-Id: <199708061352.OAA32338@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Partman To: dg@cogency.co.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:52:33 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <33E879DB.8BCD5180@cogency.co.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at Aug 6, 97 01:19:23 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi there, Yet more fun on this RPC 600.. When trying to boot the kernel It's reporting a Bad Magic thing > > If the next/free slot stuff fails pop the case and look at the SIMM(s) - > if its an 8MB machine I'd expect one SIMM; look if its single or double > sided. I think there may be some problems with some combinations - in > particular the physical layout of RAM as far as the boot loader is concerned > is different depending on the type of SIMM! > > I think its time to report your new problem to the list. > > Dave I've check the next / free thang, and on inspection the RPC has 2x 4Mb single sided SIMMS installed. Oh and 1Mb of VRAM. Anyone any ideas out there ? Cheers, Glyn -- Glyn D / http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~daviess / Manchester Computer Society ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Whom computers must destroy, they must first drive mad." -- fortune "What if everyone felt like that?" -- Catch 22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 7 13:17:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13646 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:17:08 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 32536]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16084-10752>; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:02:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971425-20975>; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:52:14 -0400 Received: from danablue.vision.auc.dk ([130.225.49.152] EHLO danablue.vision.auc.dk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 33005]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971477-20975>; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:38:15 -0400 Received: from thorsen.vision.auc.dk by danablue.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5.970211.1) id NAA15576; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:38:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (bme@localhost) by thorsen.vision.auc.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5-970304) id LAA07580; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:38:25 GMT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:38:25 GMT Message-Id: <199708071138.LAA07580@thorsen.vision.auc.dk> From: Bernhard Mogens Ege To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: How to install ARMLinux X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, As I am new to ARMLinux (allthough did install Linux on several PC's, allthough not RedHat) I would like to know how I kan install it. At the moment I have a RiscPC600 (ARM610, 32Mb DRAM, 1 Mb VRAM, 1280Mb HD, IDE ATAPI CDROM). Is that suitable (I saw an arm610 kernel) ? I have my HD formatted to give ADFS 900Mb and the rest is unused (not quite, as a previous installation of RiscBSD is here). This should give plenty of room for ARMLinux. My major concern is how to actually install ARMLinux. The web-pages do not mention a floppy-install option, which is what I hoped for. I have temporarily access to a Zip drive (parallel port version) and 1 zip disc, will I be able to install it using that? I am looking forward to your reply. Bernhard -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bernhard Mogens Ege, M.Sc.E.E. | | E-mail: bme@vision.auc.dk MIBA | /( | Direct call: +45 96 35 87 86 Institute of Electronic Systems | ._//( | Switchboard: +45 96 35 80 80 Aalborg University | / | \ | Fax: +45 98 15 40 08 Frederik Bajersvej 7, D1-206 | A A U | Homepage: DK-9220 Aalborg East | | http://www.vision.auc.dk/~bme ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Home: Kollegievej 6 v. 132, DK-9000 Aalborg, Phone: +45 20 42 99 26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 8 12:43:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17254 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:42:59 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12921]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12526-2520>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:22:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971426-20977>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:12:38 -0400 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17] EHLO holyrood.ed.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 55684]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971423-20975>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:12:22 -0400 Received: (from anich@localhost) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA22973 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:21:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:21:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199708081121.MAA22973@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> From: Sandy Nicholson Subject: availability of A5000 ARM Linux and LaTeX query To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Organisation: Department of Mathematics and Statistics, Edinburgh University Reply-To: s.nicholson.remove.these@four.words.ed.ac.uk Fcc: +acorn X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm a newcomer to the linux-arm mailing list; please forgive me for leaping in when I haven't yet seen any postings by others. I just joined the list yesterday, having previously joined the low-volume arm-linux list for fear of being swamped by email if I joined this one! (Is there anyone out there?!) I don't actually have Linux installed at present, but would very much like to get it up and running on my A5000 in the near future. (I don't think my budget will stretch to a new Risc PC for quite some time!) However, I notice from the ARM Linux FAQ (dated June 27 1997) that there is no A5000 root disk image available at the moment - due to problems with the kernel. Yet I had thought that ARM Linux was originally developed on the A5000 and had only recently migrated to the Risc PC. Is there perhaps an earlier working kernel available somewhere else? (And, if so, is it reliable?) Secondly, in the lists of precompiled software at the ARM Linux web site, no mention is made of TeX / LaTeX. This is a fairly important package for me as it is something I use a great deal on Unix machines at work - it would be very handy to be able to work on the same source material at home (something which can't be done at all easily using the RISC OS implementation of TeX, good though it is in many respects). So, how much of TeX is available for ARM Linux? Does LaTeX 2e work? What about the more exotic packages including those from the AMS? (Presumably, if TeX itself works, getting the rest going on a Linux system shouldn't present too many problems.) One last thing. If I were to download the Linux distribution onto a PC- or Acorn-formatted ZIP disk(s), would I be able to install from that or do I need to use a multitude of floppy disks? Thanks in advance for any answers to these basic queries. -- Sandy Nicholson * http://www.ed.ac.uk/~anich/ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 8 12:49:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17268 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:49:32 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 15998]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12433-2520>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:34:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971425-20977>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:24:48 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] HELO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 64995]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971435-20975>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:24:31 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:33:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:32:59 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Sandy Nicholson cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: availability of A5000 ARM Linux and LaTeX query In-Reply-To: <199708081121.MAA22973@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Secondly, in the lists of precompiled software at the ARM Linux web site, no > mention is made of TeX / LaTeX. This is a fairly important package for me as > it is something I use a great deal on Unix machines at work - it would be > very handy to be able to work on the same source material at home (something > which can't be done at all easily using the RISC OS implementation of TeX, > good though it is in many respects). So, how much of TeX is available for > ARM Linux? Does LaTeX 2e work? What about the more exotic packages including > those from the AMS? (Presumably, if TeX itself works, getting the rest going > on a Linux system shouldn't present too many problems.) > Don't know anything about A5000s, but the entire Unix teTeX distribution compiles staright out of the box. Runs at about the same speed as a 50MHz Sparc20 too :) Just get the sources, unpack them, do a make world and wait! Took maybe an hour on my SA110 RiscPC, so could be considerably longer on an A5000. Also, you'l need about 70MB free disk space to compile it. This goes down to ~30MB once you've deleted the sources. You can get teTeX from... ftp.tex.ac.uk in dir /ctan/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/distrib (Read INSTALL.src) Good luck with getting Linux running! Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 8 13:27:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17360 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:27:46 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 2323]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12577-32407>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:13:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971425-20977>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:03:33 -0400 Received: from padlock.pdd.3com.com ([193.130.120.6] EHLO padlock.pdd.3com.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1688]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971478-20975>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:54:30 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pdd.3com.com (mailhost.pdd.3com.com [161.71.120.148]) by padlock.pdd.3com.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25197; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:02:34 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Message-Id: <7416.9708081202@warthog.pdd.3com.com> Subject: Re: availability of A5000 ARM Linux and LaTeX query To: s.nicholson@ed.ac.uk Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:02:03 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199708081121.MAA22973@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "Sandy Nicholson" at Aug 8, 97 12:21:05 pm Organisation: Tree X-Pet-Hate: Microsoft Office X-Junk-Level: High X-Want: To be in Aber X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO According to Sandy Nicholson : > > I don't actually have Linux installed at present, but would very much like > to get it up and running on my A5000 in the near future. (I don't think my > budget will stretch to a new Risc PC for quite some time!) However, I notice > from the ARM Linux FAQ (dated June 27 1997) that there is no A5000 root disk > image available at the moment - due to problems with the kernel. Yet I had > thought that ARM Linux was originally developed on the A5000 and had only > recently migrated to the Risc PC. Is there perhaps an earlier working > kernel available somewhere else? (And, if so, is it reliable?) Welcome to the growing list of people waiting for the A5000 root disk. I don't know how much work is being done in it. As far as I can gathe the previous version of the kernel was not particularly reliable and it's worth waiting for the new one. Unfortunately we have been waiting a while. You're not the only one wanting to run Latex on it so when the root disk does come out let me know how you get on. ttfn H. -- Howard Windsor Email:howardw@pdd.3com.com otherwise known as warthog "On Christmas day, you can't get sore, your fellow man you must adore, there's time to rob him all the more the other 364" Tom Lehrer From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Sun Aug 10 23:50:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA02799 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:50:26 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.6.Beta3/8.8.6.Beta3/TardisMailhub) id XAA14251 for arm-linux-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:37:08 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-13.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.6.Beta3/8.8.6.Beta3/TardisMailhub) with SMTP id XAA14246 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:36:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1322969; 10 Aug 97 23:19 BST Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:10:41 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Subject: Problems... Message-ID: <2e0a9b747%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I know it is in general considered to be polite to read a newsgroup/ mailing list for a couple of weeks before posting, but there doesn't seem to be any traffic at all on this list... I am attempting to install ARMLinux on my Risc PC. The spec is RPC 600 with StrongARM, Risc OS 3.7, 2.6Gb IDE Quantum Fireball hard disc. I have initialised the drive to 3200 cylinders with HForm. I had to specify the 'initialise' option rather than the 'format' option because if I used the 'format' option it says 'format error on track n' for n = 0 to infinity (until I abort). I initially formatted to the complete number of cylinders as I didn't realise you needed to use less. This worked, but it hung at the end after verifying. So, I have initialised the disc to the correct number of cylinders and Risc OS gets the right size and can access the partition perfectly. I then run PartMan and enter ADFS and 4 in the boxes and press return. I do not get the expected list of partitions. Instead I get Partition Start sector End sector Size Type ---------------------------------------------------------- 0 5008751 2446 MB Free If I alter the geometry to give my new number of cylinders, 3200, it gives Partition Start sector End sector Size Type ---------------------------------------------------------- 0 3225599 1575 MB Free None of the dialogue boxes from the menu work; Partition '1' -> Edit... Partition '1' -> Delete New... all do nothing. Has anyone else had any problems like these? I am tearing my hair out because I can't think of anything else to try. -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Mon Aug 11 13:48:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01084 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:48:27 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.6.Beta3/8.8.6.Beta3/TardisMailhub) id NAA17489 for arm-linux-outgoing; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:24:09 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (relay-7.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.6.Beta3/8.8.6.Beta3/TardisMailhub) with SMTP id NAA17483 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:24:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from h-dean.demon.co.uk ([194.222.59.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1214423; 11 Aug 97 11:35 BST Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:39:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Thomas Down Subject: Re: Problems... To: Ian Hinder Cc: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <2e0a9b747%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Interalia design X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO A while ago, Ian Hinder wrote: > I know it is in general considered to be polite to read a newsgroup/ > mailing list for a couple of weeks before posting, but there doesn't > seem to be any traffic at all on this list... > > I am attempting to install ARMLinux on my Risc PC. The spec is > > RPC 600 with StrongARM, Risc OS 3.7, 2.6Gb IDE Quantum Fireball > hard disc. > > I have initialised the drive to 3200 cylinders with HForm. I had to > specify the 'initialise' option rather than the 'format' option > because if I used the 'format' option it says 'format error on track > n' for n = 0 to infinity (until I abort). I initially formatted to > the complete number of cylinders as I didn't realise you needed > to use less. This worked, but it hung at the end after verifying. > Modern IDE discs are generally not designed to be low-level formatted, and will probably return an error if you try, to prevent any damage. Reinitialising the disc should be fine. The hang after verifying is worrying though. > So, I have initialised the disc to the correct number of cylinders and > Risc OS gets the right size and can access the partition perfectly. > > I then run PartMan and enter ADFS and 4 in the boxes and press return. > > I do not get the expected list of partitions. Instead I get > > Partition Start sector End sector Size Type > ---------------------------------------------------------- > 0 5008751 2446 MB Free > > If I alter the geometry to give my new number of cylinders, 3200, > it gives > > Partition Start sector End sector Size Type > ---------------------------------------------------------- > 0 3225599 1575 MB Free > > None of the dialogue boxes from the menu work; > > Partition '1' -> Edit... > Partition '1' -> Delete > New... > > all do nothing. > > Has anyone else had any problems like these? I am tearing my hair out > because I can't think of anything else to try. > Check which version of PartMan you are using... I seem to remember having similar problems with some older versions of PartMan. If you're running a version before about 1.06, Grab the latest from the FTP site (the link on the web page could be out of date now), and try again. Hope this helps, Thomas -- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 11 20:38:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6] (may be forged)) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04028 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:38:32 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 17978]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12846-2786>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:10:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971431-20977>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:00:09 -0400 Received: from ping.demon.co.uk ([158.152.166.128] EHLO bluetac.blob.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1172]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971435-20977>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:59:52 -0400 Received: from benji (benji.blob.uk [192.168.1.21]) by bluetac.blob.uk (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01856 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:09:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:46:58 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Problems... Message-ID: <762f1ab847%esuvf@dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <2e0a9b747%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <2e0a9b747%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Ian Hinder wrote: > [snip] > I have initialised the drive to 3200 cylinders with HForm. I had to > specify the 'initialise' option rather than the 'format' option > because if I used the 'format' option it says 'format error on track > n' for n = 0 to infinity (until I abort). I initially formatted to > the complete number of cylinders as I didn't realise you needed > to use less. This worked, but it hung at the end after verifying. You are using the latest version of HForm? There's a 'beta' version somewhere on ftp.acorn.co.uk that you should be using, as the one that comes with 3.7 can't handle discs over about 2Gig-ish, AFAICR. > Has anyone else had any problems like these? I am tearing my hair out > because I can't think of anything else to try. I had all sorts of fun with !PartMan :-) Russell managed to sort them all out, though - the version I have on my harddisc is 1.05, which worked perfectly partitioning my 850Meg drive. Joseph -- Joseph Heenan, Coventry, UK mailto:esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 11 22:02:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04747 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:02:17 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 34906]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12293-32407>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:46:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971435-20975>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:35:36 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4430]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971431-20977>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:35:21 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:45:03 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Aug 97 21:47:12 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:41:19 GMT From: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <400.199708112019@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: FAQ available To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:19:20 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi. I have been getting quite a few mails about the same subject lately. Before anyone reports a problem, please please check the FAQ list on the web site: http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk92/armlinux/faq.html. You may well find your problem listed on there, along with a solution. Please consult this before sending a bug report to either the mailing list or myself. Your cooperation in this matter will be greatly apprechiated. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 11 22:02:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04749 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:02:18 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 34906]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12270-32407>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:48:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971435-20975>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:37:42 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4561]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971431-20977>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:37:27 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:47:13 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Aug 97 21:49:23 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:09:32 GMT From: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <567.199708112047@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Problems... To: thomas@h-dean.demon.co.uk (Thomas Down) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:47:31 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Thomas Down" at Aug 11, 97 09:39:27 am X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe Reply-To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thomas Down writes: > Check which version of PartMan you are using... I seem to remember having > similar problems with some older versions of PartMan. If you're running a > version before about 1.06, Grab the latest from the FTP site (the link on the > web page could be out of date now), and try again. The current version available from both the FTP and web site is 1.05. There is a FAQ on the web with this problem listed, btw. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 15 19:05:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA13650 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:05:49 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 28167]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1795-595>; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:59:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971708-20975>; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:46:37 -0400 Received: from mail1.digital.com ([204.123.2.50] EHLO mail1.digital.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4607]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971678-20975>; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:42:06 -0400 Received: from pobox1.pa.dec.com (pobox1.pa.dec.com [16.1.240.19]) by mail1.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with SMTP id KAA13642 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pobox1.pa.dec.com; id AA18340; Fri, 15 Aug 97 10:41:43 -0700 Received: by stowe.pa.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Jul94-0558PM) id AA05302; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:41:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:41:39 -0700 Message-Id: <9708151741.AA05302@stowe.pa.dec.com> From: Deborah Wallach To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: RedHat installer problem (hanging) Address: Digital Equipment Corporation; Western Research Laboratory; 250 University Avenue; Palo Alto, CA 94301; USA Phone: 650-617-3315 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I've been trying to install Linux on my StrongARM-based Riscpc, and have hit a snag. I've faithfully followed all of the steps in the installation document up to Step 12 (the Linux installation screen). I get the Linux installation screen, and I get fairly far along in the installation, but it inevitably fails before the installation finishes. This occurs whether I use the ftp or nfs method of installation. With nfs, it gets to the point where it asks me for my nfs server and pathname, then goes to the next screen which remains blank forever. With ftp, it dies in various different places. Often it starts retrieving RPMs, but then fairly early on just times out (the screen claims it is still downloading file X; the ftp daemon on the ftp server logs that the successful transfer of file X has occurred). Sometimes I get an error window saying 'fatal error copying RPM database' (while retrieving the base comps file). Sometimes I get an error window saying 'I cannot get file X bad FTP server response', where X has been /pub/RedHat/base/comps or /pub/RedHat/RPMS/SysVinit-2.64-7a2.arm.rpm, etc. I've also seen 'RPM install of arm-aout-libs failed'. Does anyone have any idea what might be going wrong, or what other installation paths I could try? I have an EtherH card, I'm using the latest and greatest images, RPMs, etc, and I'm running out of creative ideas... Thanks in advance. -Debby Wallach From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 15 22:53:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15789 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:53:48 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36708]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15609-594>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:24:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971667-20977>; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:12:13 -0400 Received: from punt-1d.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.138] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49199]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971612-20975>; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:11:27 -0400 Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0916249; 15 Aug 97 22:10 BST Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:00:17 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Problems... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message Ale Terlevich wrote: > > I have now hit another snag. I was going to use ftp to get the > > installation files into the linux partition from another RPC > > across ethernet, but the linux bootup sequence / installer says it > > can't find my EtherH card anywhere on the system! > > Hmm. I have an EtherH card and it works fine. How much RAM do you > have? If you have >=24Mb, then you must make sure that you're using > the latest kernel (rpc-2.0.30-20071997) and root/supplemental > disks. These have a bug in the module loaders fixed so that they > work with >=24MB RAM systems. > > I had the same problem as you, but it was just that the etherh.o > module couldn't be loaded. It was cured by using the latest disks! Once again, my sincerest thanks! This seemed to work a charm; I don't know why I didn't download the latest one the first time though... It looks like the symbolic link which is supposed to point to one of the 06-08 files is actually pointing to a 08-06 file instead; this could have been the reason. Unfortunately, whilst this problem has been solved (it can detect the ethernet card) I still can't seem to install :-( It keeps stopping when it says 'Retrieving base/hdlist...' or similar. The DeltaNet in/out arrows on the other machine go red, so contact is being made, but it just sits there for about a minute then returns to the screen for entering setup information. The logs on the ftp server say 'Connect from zen' 'Login OK for ian' 'Connection closed' I can ftp the file using Risc OS and sftp or Fresco, but linux doesn't seem to want to play. Could it be that I am using 'illegal' IP addresses? I am using 1.0.0.1 and 1.0.0.2, which (IIRC) are allocated to Sun. This shouldn't be a problem should it? Also, when I cancel and return to the page where I enter the linux machine's IP address and netmask etc, if I alter certain parts, it puts a tacky message saying 'rebooting system' and then hangs. ctrl-alt-del is required. Anyone got any ideas? Also, how does everyone else get the main distribution RPMS files? Downloading them with a 28K modem would seem to be a little expensive! -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 16 15:11:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22322 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:11:16 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 7465]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1643-591>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:00:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971659-20975>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:48:10 -0400 Received: from saale.hof.baynet.de ([194.95.215.129] EHLO hof.baynet.de ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1571]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971656-20975>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:47:51 -0400 Received: from ho1454 ([194.95.215.184]) by hof.baynet.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15261 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:00:40 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:51:39 +0200 From: Christian Kohlschuetter To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Linux on CD Message-ID: Organization: dARCness Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO When will there be a CD containing A5000 and RiscPC Linux? Perhaps you can include it on some other Linux CDs (Suse etc) This would perhaps increase the number of interested people. I am not that linux expert, I can start files, set file access, delete them, can start irc and that stuff. I just use it a bit, so I don't know exact details whats now "Suse" and "RedHat" linux etc... Be sure, I *will* definitively buy one CD, for my A5000 and for my StrongARMed RiscPC. I need it as soon as possible (I think as everybody here :) and it should install without any problems. -- Christian Kohlschuetter WombatPD WombatCD Homepage => http://www.hof.baynet.de/~wombat/CD/ Private Homepage => http://www.hof.baynet.de/~wombat (Under construction) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 16 15:32:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22527 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:32:12 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 51507]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1913-592>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:31:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971635-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:19:28 -0400 Received: from [151.196.69.100] ([151.196.69.100] EHLO www-dc-09.digiserve.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 57506]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971661-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:19:13 -0400 Received: from pingu.itl.net (ap86-12.itl.net [194.145.12.86]) by www-dc-09.digiserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21722 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970816142251.00675d54@digiserve.com> X-Sender: garan@digiserve.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:22:51 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Garan Jenkin Subject: Re: Linux on CD X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO At 03:51 18/08/97 +0200, you wrote: >When will there be a CD containing A5000 and RiscPC Linux? > >Perhaps you can include it on some other Linux CDs (Suse etc) >This would perhaps increase the number of interested people. > There is a new Acorn User CD coming out in Dec and there has been talk of getting ArmLinux on to it, or RiscBSD or both, but I'm not sure if Steve Turnbull has talked to Russ yet or not, certainly it would be nice to have it on an acorn user cd as this would be cheap (relatively), so make your opinions known to Acorn User! Garan -- garan @ digiserve . com From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 16 16:05:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22750 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:05:41 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 52282]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12662-594>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:48:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971635-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:36:41 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1492]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971627-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:36:25 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0wzk7l-0000Ui-00; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:46:41 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Christian Kohlschuetter cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:51:39 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:46:41 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >When will there be a CD containing A5000 and RiscPC Linux? When the software is ready. >for my StrongARMed RiscPC. I need it as soon as possible >(I think as everybody here :) and it should install without >any problems. You may not think that's a tall order, but... p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 16 17:21:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23467 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:21:40 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 61008]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12597-591>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:09:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971635-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:57:38 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3830]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971641-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:57:06 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:08:08 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Aug 97 17:10:20 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:08:39 GMT From: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1226.199708161608@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Linux on CD To: Philip.Blundell@pobox.com (Philip Blundell) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:07:36 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Aug 16, 97 03:46:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > >for my StrongARMed RiscPC. I need it as soon as possible > >(I think as everybody here :) and it should install without > >any problems. > > You may not think that's a tall order, but... Don't forget that the CD Rom drive interface must be supported by Linux. > Garan wrote: > At 03:51 18/08/97 +0200, you wrote: > >When will there be a CD containing A5000 and RiscPC Linux? > > > >Perhaps you can include it on some other Linux CDs (Suse etc) > >This would perhaps increase the number of interested people. > > There is a new Acorn User CD coming out in Dec and there has been talk of > getting ArmLinux on to it, or RiscBSD or both, but I'm not sure if Steve > Turnbull has talked to Russ yet or not, certainly it would be nice to have > it on an acorn user cd as this would be cheap (relatively), so make your > opinions known to Acorn User! There may be no point in putting Linux on an Acorn CD. The problem - filetypes and Rock Ridge. Acorn CD ROMs do not have Rock Ridge extensions, and so some of the RPM files will clash and/or the installer will not be able to find them. The other combination - write a CD with rock ridge - you'll loose the RiscOS file types. Therefore, it's pretty difficult to have a CD containing both RiscOS apps and the Linux RedHat install. There is a solution - port the RPM library and genhdlist to RiscOS (and that's something I'm not about to do). If someone wants to the source is on the RedHat FTP site. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 16 19:17:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24452 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:17:37 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 16767]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13020-595>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:11:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971659-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:58:37 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.30.11] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 36399]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971657-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:57:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id TAA15939 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:09:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:09:19 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Philip Blundell wrote: > >When will there be a CD containing A5000 and RiscPC Linux? > > When the software is ready. > > >for my StrongARMed RiscPC. I need it as soon as possible > >(I think as everybody here :) and it should install without > >any problems. > > You may not think that's a tall order, but... > > p. Yep, and what's worse, people like me would like to see the old arc version on it too. We're talking 3 sets of binaries, root/boot disks etc. Not a lot of fun. On a side note, when trying to cross-compile the kernel (2.0.30) on my 6x86 machine, I find that a whole pile of symbols relating to dma (arch_enable_dma, arch_set_dma_mode, arch_set_dma_addr) seem to be missing. Only symbols beginning with arch_ are missing - the corresponding set_dma_mode and so on symbols are OK.I'm trying to compile for an A3000/ARM3, so I've got machine set to arc, and processor to armo. Any ideas what's up? These appear to be the only missing symbols, now I finally patched up the gcc Makefile sufficiently to produce a correct libgcc1.a -- James Craig From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 16 19:44:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24769 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:44:01 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 28936]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12696-594>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:20:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971656-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:07:55 -0400 Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.13] HELO fm3.facility.pipex.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 41620]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971627-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:07:38 -0400 Received: from succexpr.demon.co.uk [158.152.208.192] by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) id 0wzmX0-0005BC-00; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:20:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:17:05 +0100 (BST) From: "Neil A. Carson" Subject: Re: Linux on CD To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: Philip Blundell , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <1226.199708161608@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat 16 Aug, rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > There may be no point in putting Linux on an Acorn CD. The problem - > filetypes and Rock Ridge. Acorn CD ROMs do not have Rock Ridge extensions, > and so some of the RPM files will clash and/or the installer will not be > able to find them. > The other combination - write a CD with rock ridge - you'll loose the > RiscOS file types. Therefore, it's pretty difficult to have a CD containing > both RiscOS apps and the Linux RedHat install. No you won't. We use a version of mkisofs that supports both the Rock Ridge extensions and CDFS extensions at the same time. > There is a solution - port the RPM library and genhdlist to RiscOS (and that's > something I'm not about to do). If someone wants to the source is on the RedHat > FTP site. If you ask Mark I'm sure he'll let you have a copy providing due credit is given to him (as it took him a while to work on). Neil -- Neil A. Carson Marketing Director Causality Limited (London, UK) Tel/Fax: +44 (0)181 930 7408 Mobile: +44 (0)370 593183 Email: neil@causality.com WWW: http://www.causality.com. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 16 23:39:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27412 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:39:48 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 5462]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1732-595>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:23:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971656-20977>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:11:24 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2904]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971663-20975>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:11:08 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0wzofw-0000qN-00; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:38:16 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:07:36 BST." <1226.199708161608@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:38:16 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >There may be no point in putting Linux on an Acorn CD. The problem - >filetypes and Rock Ridge. Acorn CD ROMs do not have Rock Ridge extensions, >and so some of the RPM files will clash and/or the installer will not be >able to find them. > >The other combination - write a CD with rock ridge - you'll loose the >RiscOS file types. Therefore, it's pretty difficult to have a CD containing >both RiscOS apps and the Linux RedHat install. Put the Linux stuff, aside from !Linux itself, inside an iso9660/Rock Ridge filesystem image on the CD, and use the loop driver to mount it in the installation program. Or, as Neil said, use a special mkisofs. I don't think it's insurmountable. A more pressing issue would be to support more CD-ROM drives. Do we support any of the weird Acorn ones at the moment, or is it just vanilla ATAPI and SCSI? "sick" phil From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 17 16:37:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00679 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:37:02 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 22310]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2011-592>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:09:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971757-20977>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:57:08 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] HELO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 48084]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971756-20975>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:56:52 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:08:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:08:34 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD In-Reply-To: <1226.199708161608@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > Philip Blundell writes: > > >for my StrongARMed RiscPC. I need it as soon as possible > > >(I think as everybody here :) and it should install without > > >any problems. > > > > You may not think that's a tall order, but... > > Don't forget that the CD Rom drive interface must be supported by Linux. Well, the ATAPI interface works very well indeed thank you :) Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 17 17:42:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01910 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:42:20 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 6978]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13120-592>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:27:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971822-20977>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:14:49 -0400 Received: from punt-1c.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.136] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 47419]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971857-20977>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:14:02 -0400 Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab0917582; 17 Aug 97 17:04 BST Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:36:12 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Ftp failure Message-ID: <32c39bb47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm still having problems with FTP - can no one help??? :-( I can't even get past the installation stage because the ftp session can't seem to get going; I posted a plea for help but no one answered... Surely people here must be running armlinux of some form and managed to install it? My original message was as follows: > It keeps stopping when it says 'Retrieving base/hdlist...' or > similar. The DeltaNet in/out arrows on the other machine go red, so > contact is being made, but it just sits there for about a minute > then returns to the screen for entering setup information. > > The logs on the ftp server say > 'Connect from zen' > 'Login OK for ian' > 'Connection closed' > > I can ftp the file using Risc OS and sftp or Fresco, but linux > doesn't seem to want to play. Could it be that I am using > 'illegal' IP addresses? I am using 1.0.0.1 and 1.0.0.2, which > (IIRC) are allocated to Sun. This shouldn't be a problem should it? > > Also, when I cancel and return to the page where I enter the linux > machine's IP address and netmask etc, if I alter certain parts, it > puts a tacky message saying 'rebooting system' and then hangs. > ctrl-alt-del is required. > > Anyone got any ideas? Also, how does everyone else get the > main distribution RPMS files? Downloading them with a 28K modem > would seem to be a little expensive! -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 17 18:04:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02243 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:04:21 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 9805]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1643-595>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:46:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971768-20975>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:33:48 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] HELO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 57017]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971773-20975>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:33:32 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:45:16 +0100 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:45:11 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Ian Hinder cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Ftp failure In-Reply-To: <32c39bb47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Ian Hinder wrote: > I'm still having problems with FTP - can no one help??? :-( > > I can't even get past the installation stage because the ftp session > can't seem to get going; I posted a plea for help but no one > answered... Surely people here must be running armlinux of > some form and managed to install it? Exactly, I had no such problems! The only problem was that occationaly the FTP server would time out, but then I just got a little window up asking if I wanted to retry for that file. I just pressed return and it went off and got it just fine! However the ftp site I got it from was ftp.arm.uk.linux.org (or whatever it main armlinux site is called, I forget). It wouldn't surprise me if your problem is actually the FTP server you're running on the other machine (DeltaNet you said?) not behaving properly. Sorry I can't be of more help! Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 17 19:18:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03790 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:18:26 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 39018]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1518-592>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:02:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971773-20975>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:49:30 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2620]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971800-20977>; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:49:15 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:00:55 +0100 Received: from relay.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 17 Aug 97 19:03:04 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:16:44 GMT From: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1150.199708171416@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Linux on CD To: Philip.Blundell@pobox.com (Philip Blundell) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:16:41 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Aug 16, 97 08:38:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > Put the Linux stuff, aside from !Linux itself, inside an iso9660/Rock Ridge > filesystem image on the CD, and use the loop driver to mount it in the > installation program. Or, as Neil said, use a special mkisofs. I don't think > it's insurmountable. And how does the RedHat installer handle this? The supplemental disk is tight enough at the moment. as it stands - I doubt that I can fit much more into it. It currently contains the bare minimum with a lot compressed. > A more pressing issue would be to support more CD-ROM drives. Do we support > any of the weird Acorn ones at the moment, or is it just vanilla ATAPI and > SCSI? Just vanilla ATAPI and SCSI (as and when SCSI cards are supported). I'm currently working on the Cumana II - someone at work has one in their RiscPC, and since their RPC is in work atm (as is this one), it gives a chance at the end of the day to do some development. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 18 08:08:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08483 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:08:41 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 5669]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1241-592>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:56:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971657-20975>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:43:42 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1029]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971668-20975>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:43:27 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0x0CFT-0000l8-00; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:48:31 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:16:41 BST." <1150.199708171416@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:48:31 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Philip Blundell writes: >> Put the Linux stuff, aside from !Linux itself, inside an iso9660/Rock Ridge >> filesystem image on the CD, and use the loop driver to mount it in the >> installation program. Or, as Neil said, use a special mkisofs. I don't thi > >And how does the RedHat installer handle this? The supplemental disk is The loop filesystem would be a special case of installing from CD or hard disk, which it already supports. All it takes is one more `mount' invocation and possibly a tiny bit of other magic. It shouldn't take _any_ more space on the supplemental disk. Like I said, I'm sure it can be done - and this would make it a lot easier for RISC OS people to install the thing. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 18 10:52:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09717 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:52:25 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 30819]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12609-591>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:27:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971669-20975>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 05:14:18 -0400 Received: from punt-1d.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.138] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 40780]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971676-20975>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 05:13:59 -0400 Received: from [193.195.210.201] ([193.195.210.201]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1417550; 18 Aug 97 9:23 BST Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kevin F. Quinn" Organization: The Banana Tree To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:23:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Linux on CD Reply-to: kevq@banana.demon.co.uk CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-reply-to: <1150.199708171416@raistlin.armlinux.org> References: from "Philip Blundell" at Aug 16, 97 08:38:16 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Message-ID: <871892604.1417550.0@[193.195.210.201]> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Philip Blundell writes: > > [CD install] > > And how does the RedHat installer handle this? The supplemental disk[...] For what it's worth, the RedHat installer only takes the boot disk, at least when installing from an ATAPI/IDE CDRom. I just installed RedHat 4.2 on my [duck] PC and didn't need the supplemental disk. You should be able to fit at least the ATAPI and SCSI CDRom support on there, I would have thought. Kev. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 18 19:45:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA13353 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:45:17 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 57199]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1989-28617>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:45:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971844-244>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:43:58 -0400 Received: from punt-2d.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.9] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 55388]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971892-240>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:33:51 -0400 Received: from afawcett.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.48]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1505422; 18 Aug 97 16:56 BST Received: from [127.0.0.1] by afawcett.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:11:26 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:09:09 +0000 From: Andy Fawcett To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD Message-ID: <349a9bbb47%tap@afawcett.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1150.199708171416@raistlin.armlinux.org> Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!) X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-28 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <1150.199708171416@raistlin.armlinux.org> rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > Philip Blundell writes: >> A more pressing issue would be to support more CD-ROM drives. Do we >> support any of the weird Acorn ones at the moment, or is it just >> vanilla ATAPI and SCSI? > > Just vanilla ATAPI and SCSI (as and when SCSI cards are supported). > I'm currently working on the Cumana II - someone at work has one in > their RiscPC, and since their RPC is in work atm (as is this one), it > gives a chance at the end of the day to do some development. Are there any plans to handle the HCCS micropodule interface? A long while ago, I remember Andy Armstrong saying that he could provide some information/code for driver writers, but that was the last I heard. I'm not about to invest any more money on this A5000, and so I need to be able to access the CD and SCSI provided by this interface... -- Andy Fawcett a.f.p. recipes (recipe-serv@lspace.org) http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/ send mail with subject 'send index' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- He who looks like his passport photo is not well enough to travel. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 18 20:39:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13558 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:39:24 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 60426]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12972-16171>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:40:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971838-244>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:37:41 -0400 Received: from mail1.digital.com ([204.123.2.50] EHLO mail1.digital.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2159]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971921-244>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:17:06 -0400 Received: from pobox1.pa.dec.com (pobox1.pa.dec.com [16.1.240.19]) by mail1.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with SMTP id LAA14200; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pobox1.pa.dec.com; id AA09546; Mon, 18 Aug 97 11:24:37 -0700 Received: by stowe.pa.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Jul94-0558PM) id AA10073; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:24:32 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:24:32 -0700 Message-Id: <9708181824.AA10073@stowe.pa.dec.com> From: Deborah Wallach To: A.I.Terlevich@durham.ac.uk Cc: ian@advunit.demon.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Ale Terlevich on Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:45:11 +0100 (BST)) Subject: Re: Ftp failure - RedHat installer interruptable/restartable? Address: Digital Equipment Corporation; Western Research Laboratory; 250 University Avenue; Palo Alto, CA 94301; USA Phone: 650-617-3315 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Ian Hinder wrote: > I'm still having problems with FTP - can no one help??? :-( > > I can't even get past the installation stage because the ftp session > can't seem to get going; I posted a plea for help but no one > answered... Surely people here must be running armlinux of > some form and managed to install it? Exactly, I had no such problems! The only problem was that occationaly the FTP server would time out, but then I just got a little window up asking if I wanted to retry for that file. I just pressed return and it went off and got it just fine! This is the exact problem I am having. Unfortunately, the ftp session sometimes hangs cleanly (and I get a window popped up asking if I want to retry), and sometimes does not (the riscpc just sits there doing nothing, alledgedly waiting for data). Since I can't seem to download all the files without it hanging uncleanly at least once, I never get past this portion of the install. *****Is there any way to interrupt the redhat installer while it's downloading a file and get it to retry downloading that file?***** -Debby Wallach From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 18 22:05:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14186 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:05:25 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 17725]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12979-32117>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:59:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971783-244>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:57:32 -0400 Received: from dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk ([137.205.97.221] EHLO bluetac.blob.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1175]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971798-240>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:30:33 -0400 Received: from benji (benji.blob.uk [192.168.1.21]) by bluetac.blob.uk (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02065 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:45:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:37:15 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Ftp failure Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <32c39bb47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <32c39bb47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Ian Hinder wrote: > I'm still having problems with FTP - can no one help??? :-( > > I can't even get past the installation stage because the ftp session > can't seem to get going; I posted a plea for help but no one > answered... Surely people here must be running armlinux of > some form and managed to install it? I am, but I installed via nfs rather than ftp. > My original message was as follows: > > > It keeps stopping when it says 'Retrieving base/hdlist...' or > > similar. The DeltaNet in/out arrows on the other machine go red, so > > contact is being made, but it just sits there for about a minute > > then returns to the screen for entering setup information. > > > > The logs on the ftp server say > > 'Connect from zen' > > 'Login OK for ian' > > 'Connection closed' I think you *may* be falling foul of deltanet. AFAICR, in one or two small area is isn't 100% RFC compliant. I'm afraid I can't remember which areas, though. One is when you make a new directory, but that obviously isn't an issue here... If you turn the logging level on deltanet upto full, you should(/may) be able to see what's going wrong, but where you go from there, I've no idea. Joseph -- Joseph Heenan, Coventry, UK mailto:esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 18 23:36:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14839 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:36:24 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35428]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13088-31705>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:25:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971666-244>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:23:45 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3502]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971683-244>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:23:25 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:22:36 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Aug 97 23:24:45 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:07:46 GMT From: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <356.199708182207@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Ftp failure To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:07:25 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Joseph Heenan" at Aug 18, 97 08:37:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Joseph Heenan writes: > In message <32c39bb47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> > Ian Hinder wrote: > > It keeps stopping when it says 'Retrieving base/hdlist...' or > > similar. The DeltaNet in/out arrows on the other machine go red, so > > contact is being made, but it just sits there for about a minute > > then returns to the screen for entering setup information. > > > > The logs on the ftp server say > > 'Connect from zen' > > 'Login OK for ian' > > 'Connection closed' > > I think you *may* be falling foul of deltanet. AFAICR, in one or two > small area is isn't 100% RFC compliant. I'm afraid I can't remember > which areas, though. One is when you make a new directory, but that > obviously isn't an issue here... > > If you turn the logging level on deltanet upto full, you should(/may) > be able to see what's going wrong, but where you go from there, I've > no idea. In fact, I think that the RedHat FTP code may be to blame. Most other FTP clients att a \r\n at the end of each line, and return a \r\n as well. However, most FTP servers seem to accept \n, except DeltaNet. I'm not sure if this is a bug in DeltaNet or not (all the RPC's that I wanted to look at were `not online'!) Anyway, dispite having two attempts at fixing this problem with \r\n, it still has a problem with base/hdlist, the first file it wants to transfer. I will upload a new supplemental disk very soon which should correct this problem and will remove the old disk images that are faulty. Sorry for any inconvience. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 18 23:41:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14859 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:41:41 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 35428]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13169-16171>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:24:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971676-244>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:22:37 -0400 Received: from punt-2b.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.6] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 61537]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971663-244>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:22:02 -0400 Received: from omic.demon.co.uk ([158.152.45.23]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0619232; 18 Aug 97 23:21 BST Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omic.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:18:33 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:18:12 +0100 From: Adrian Gilby To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Test message Message-ID: <4760c8bb47%adrian@omic.demon.co.uk> Organization: Adrian's RPC X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I apologise for this, but my previous message sent to this list appears not to have turned up, so this is a simple test to check that I can post. If messages posted to the mailing list do _not_ get sent back to the originator, could someone tell me please? Thanks, -- Adrian Gilby adrian@omic.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 00:04:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA15024 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:04:13 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 10352]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12766-31705>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:41:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971626-240>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:40:41 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4456]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971666-244>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:40:26 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:40:55 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Aug 97 23:43:04 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:41:18 GMT From: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <608.199708182241@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: New supplemental disk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:41:15 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO The new supplemental disk has been uploaded to the FTP site - it should now work correctly with DeltaNet, as well as some other FTP servers out there. Any `solution requests' (or problem reports if you're a pessimist) with any program with ARM Linux should include the version numbers of the programs concerned. I am currently having to guess which versions people are using, and although I'm mostly right, I'd like to know this sooner (ie. your first mail, not your second). This will speed up the response time. Thankyou for your cooperation. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 01:58:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA15762 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:58:04 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 2850]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12588-16171>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:47:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971668-240>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:46:28 -0400 Received: from mail2.digital.com ([204.123.2.56] EHLO mail2.digital.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1627]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971626-240>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:46:12 -0400 Received: from pobox1.pa.dec.com (pobox1.pa.dec.com [16.1.240.19]) by mail2.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with SMTP id RAA22048; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pobox1.pa.dec.com; id AA25864; Mon, 18 Aug 97 17:44:21 -0700 Received: by stowe.pa.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Jul94-0558PM) id AA10463; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:44:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:44:14 -0700 Message-Id: <9708190044.AA10463@stowe.pa.dec.com> From: Deborah Wallach To: A.I.Terlevich@durham.ac.uk, ian@advunit.demon.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9708181824.AA10073@stowe.pa.dec.com> (message from Deborah Wallach on Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:24:32 -0700) Subject: Re: Ftp failure resolution + missing kernel problem Address: Digital Equipment Corporation; Western Research Laboratory; 250 University Avenue; Palo Alto, CA 94301; USA Phone: 650-617-3315 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:24:32 -0700 From: Deborah Wallach This is the exact problem I am having. Unfortunately, the ftp session sometimes hangs cleanly (and I get a window popped up asking if I want to retry), and sometimes does not (the riscpc just sits there doing nothing, alledgedly waiting for data). Since I can't seem to download all the files without it hanging uncleanly at least once, I never get past this portion of the install. I found my problem! I added 64 MB to the riscpc (it only had 8 to start with), and now the ftp proceeds (more-or-less) cleanly (sometimes I get a window popped up asking for a retry, but never does it hang completely). Unfortunately, I've developed a new problem. After the ftp finishes, I get asked a bunch more setup things, and proceed through them happily. However, just after I select an initial root password, the installer pops up a window that says "I couldn't find a kernel!". In the upper right hand corner of the screen is a little note saying it's in the 'Install bootloader' part of the install. The only option is to click 'ok' at this point, and playing with the 'Previous', 'Retry', and 'Menu' options of the ensuing 'Error Window' get me nowhere (it continues not to find the kernel, and eventually tries to reboot the machine). I've tried running LinConfig at this point, but that doesn't seem to do anything (even after clicking 'Save', the hard disk light doesn't light, restarting LinConfig doesn't show any saved info, and running !Linux directly pops up an error window saying 'Can't open configuration file '. I've been telling it the kernel location is *ADFS::4.0. The version of LinConfig that I'm using is 1.10. The verison of Linux that I'm using is 3.13. Thanks in advance for any help. -Debby From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 08:38:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA18069 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:38:49 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36640]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13223-32117>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:33:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971668-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:32:35 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1029]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971673-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:32:22 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0x0Z2K-0000dv-00; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:08:28 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Andy Fawcett cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:09:09 -0000." <349a9bbb47%tap@afawcett.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:08:28 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Are there any plans to handle the HCCS micropodule interface? > >A long while ago, I remember Andy Armstrong saying that he could provide >some information/code for driver writers, but that was the last I heard. If Andy were to provide this information then I daresay something could be arranged. It depends how weird the hardware is really. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 08:41:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA18076 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:41:50 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36640]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12351-16171>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:35:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971668-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:33:53 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1115]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971666-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:33:38 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0x0inF-00009A-00; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:33:33 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:19:18 BST." <377.199708182019@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:33:33 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Except for an extra module - the loop driver at 10k. That's quite a lot when >you >think about Dave's problem - how to fit an already full 800k image into a 720k >disk... Put the loop driver in the kernel? I imagine it's about 5k of code there. It doesn't need to be a module. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 10:08:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA18620 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:08:49 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 60229]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12426-31705>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:55:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971668-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:54:14 -0400 Received: from neon-best.transmeta.com ([206.184.214.10] EHLO neon.transmeta.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1389]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971666-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:53:58 -0400 Received: from gold-1.transmeta.com (mailhost.transmeta.com [10.1.1.79]) by neon.transmeta.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA19375 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:50:32 -0700 Received: from palladium.transmeta.com (news@palladium.transmeta.com [10.1.1.46]) by gold-1.transmeta.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01214 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by palladium.transmeta.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA20393; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:54:31 -0700 To: submit-linux-dev-arm@transmeta.com Path: hpa From: hpa@transmeta.com (H. Peter Anvin) Newsgroups: linux.dev.arm Subject: Re: SIGFPE Date: 19 Aug 1997 08:54:23 GMT Organization: Transmeta Corporation, Santa Clara CA Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5tbmvv$jt8$1@palladium.transmeta.com> References: <3580.199707261920@raistlin.armlinux.org> Reply-To: hpa@transmeta.com (H. Peter Anvin) NNTP-Posting-Host: cesium.transmeta.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Comment-To: Philip Blundell X-Disclaimer: Not speaking for Transmeta in any way, shape, or form. X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Followup to: By author: Philip Blundell In newsgroup: linux.dev.arm > > I was looking for a way to throw floating point exceptions from user code - > specifically libgcc1, which needs some way to raise an error when you try an > integer divide by zero. > kill(getpid(), SIGFPE); [Although you may want to do this using syscall() or assembly rather than invoking libc.] Throwing an FP exception for an integer divide seems strange, but Linux/i386 seems to do the same... -hpa -- PGP: 2047/2A960705 BA 03 D3 2C 14 A8 A8 BD 1E DF FE 69 EE 35 BD 74 See http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/ for web page and full PGP public key Always looking for a few good BOsFH. ** Linux - the OS of global cooperation I am Baha'i -- ask me about it or see http://www.bahai.org/ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 10:15:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA18778 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:15:46 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 9547]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12307-16171>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:06:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971666-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:04:59 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1728]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971674-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:04:35 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id JAA17509; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:57:03 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199708190857.JAA17509@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Ftp failure To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:57:00 +0100 (BST) Cc: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <356.199708182207@raistlin.armlinux.org> from "rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk" at Aug 18, 97 11:07:25 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > In fact, I think that the RedHat FTP code may be to blame. Most other > FTP clients att a \r\n at the end of each line, and return a \r\n > as well. However, most FTP servers seem to accept \n, except DeltaNet. The correct sequence is \r\n. I'd be suprised if the redhat client is wrong as its the BSD code and the base of just about every ftp client. However its always possible. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 10:37:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA18806 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:37:01 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 19797]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2765-16171>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:37:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971673-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:35:23 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] HELO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 60180]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971674-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:34:45 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:33:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:33:47 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Deborah Wallach cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Ftp failure resolution + missing kernel problem In-Reply-To: <9708190044.AA10463@stowe.pa.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Deborah Wallach wrote: > I found my problem! I added 64 MB to the riscpc (it only had 8 to start > with), and now the ftp proceeds (more-or-less) cleanly (sometimes I get a > window popped up asking for a retry, but never does it hang completely). > Unfortunately, I've developed a new problem. After the ftp finishes, I > get asked a bunch more setup things, and proceed through them happily. > However, just after I select an initial root password, the installer pops > up a window that says "I couldn't find a kernel!". In the upper right hand > corner of the screen is a little note saying it's in the 'Install > bootloader' part of the install. The only option is to click 'ok' at this > point, and playing with the 'Previous', 'Retry', and 'Menu' options of the > ensuing 'Error Window' get me nowhere (it continues not to find the kernel, > and eventually tries to reboot the machine). Ok, here's what I did at this point. go back to riscos Copy the kernel onto a DOS floppy boot the kernel (!linux -bootkernel whawtever-your-kernel's-called) when it asks for extra args, type root=/dev/hda3 (Assuming your root partition is in the same place as mine, i.e. first after RiscOS on your first IDE HD) This will boot linux off your HD! You now have linux running Copy the kernel off the DOS floppy (man mtools) and rename it as /vmlinux (You need to be root to do this) To install the bootloader (The bit that fails in the install) make a file called /etc/boot.conf with contents such as # Linux 2.0.30 block with no ramdisk. kernel { name = "Linux 2.0.30"; path = "/vmlinux"; root = "/dev/hda3"; ramdisk = 0; flags = readonly; }; You may need to change this a bit to reflect your disk setup Then type loadmap -v You can now reboot (CTRL_ALT_DEL) and try the !linux app with the *ADFS::0 kernel (or whatever the syntax is) Hope this helps! Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 12:16:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19721 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:16:56 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 40041]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12642-31705>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:57:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971673-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:55:41 -0400 Received: from punt-2b.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.6] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 39133]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971669-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:55:24 -0400 Received: from afawcett.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.48]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1226907; 19 Aug 97 11:00 BST Received: from [127.0.0.1] by afawcett.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:28:42 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:12:21 +0000 From: Andy Fawcett To: Philip Blundell , rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk, andy@wonderworks.co.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD Message-ID: <14444bc47%tap@afawcett.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!) X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-28 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO [Sent to vger, Philip, Russell and Andy] In message Philip Blundell wrote: [SCSI/CD support for ArmLinux] >> Are there any plans to handle the HCCS micropodule interface? >> A long while ago, I remember Andy Armstrong saying that he could >> provide some information/code for driver writers, but that was the >> last I heard. > If Andy were to provide this information then I daresay something > could be arranged. It depends how weird the hardware is really. I haven't seen anything from Andy on the list in a long while. Hopefully he'll be able to provide some of the programming details needed. Cheers, -- Andy Fawcett a.f.p. recipes (recipe-serv@lspace.org) http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/ send mail with subject 'send index' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Extreme good-naturedness borders on weakness of character. Avoid it. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 14:22:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20518 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:22:19 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 10789]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2088-16171>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:06:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971673-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:05:29 -0400 Received: from relay-13.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 61986]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971668-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:05:18 -0400 Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1414128; 19 Aug 97 13:34 BST Subject: Re: Linux on CD Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 13:36:13 +0100 x-sender: wndrwrks@sdps.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Andy Armstrong To: Linux list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <871994055.1414128.0@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Subject: Re: Linux on CD >Sent: 19/8/97 10:12 am >Received: 19/8/97 1:31 pm >From: Andy Fawcett, tap@lspace.org >To: Philip Blundell, Philip.Blundell@pobox.com > rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk > andy@wonderworks.co.uk >CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu > >[Sent to vger, Philip, Russell and Andy] > >In message > Philip Blundell wrote: > >[SCSI/CD support for ArmLinux] >>> Are there any plans to handle the HCCS micropodule interface? >>> A long while ago, I remember Andy Armstrong saying that he could >>> provide some information/code for driver writers, but that was the >>> last I heard. >> If Andy were to provide this information then I daresay something >> could be arranged. It depends how weird the hardware is really. > >I haven't seen anything from Andy on the list in a long while. Hopefully >he'll be able to provide some of the programming details needed. Here I am :-) The offer still stands, and covers any HCCS SCSI or IDE products. Unfortunately I don't have time to do the work myself, but I'm prepared to make source available and offer help to anyone else who wants to have a go. Bye. -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 15:08:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20805 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:08:32 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36918]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2346-31705>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:49:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971676-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:46:31 -0400 Received: from islay.sanger.ac.uk ([193.60.84.11] EHLO islay.sanger.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1938]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971669-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:45:36 -0400 Received: from barry (barry.sanger.ac.uk [193.60.84.105]) by islay.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA11856 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:41:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by barry; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Jun94-1203PM) id AA27238; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:38:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:38:29 +0100 (BST) From: Furrball X-Sender: tmo@barry To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Hydra Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I was wondering if there is either support for multiprocessor machines or a plan to provide such a feature in a future release? I'm thinking of quad 288Mhz strongarm - will ArmLinux use / not die horribly with this combination of processors? Cheers, Tom. -- Tom Oinn, Queens' College, Cambridge tmo21@cam.ac.uk --- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 19:01:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22440 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:01:50 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 54569]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1397-16171>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:29:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971691-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:27:07 -0400 Received: from punt-2d.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.9] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 48678]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971818-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:25:49 -0400 Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0500896; 19 Aug 97 16:53 BST Subject: Re: Linux on CD Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 16:55:14 +0100 x-sender: wndrwrks@sdps.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Andy Armstrong To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at punt-2.mail.demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <872005996.05896.1@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO There are a number of products: 8 bit SCSI regular podule, 8 bit SCSI micropodule, 8 bit SCSI minipodule, SCSI hardcard, 16 bit SCSI. 8 bit IDE minipodule, 16 bit IDE podule, 8 bit IDE Ultimate. The 8 bit SCSI cards use a DP8490 controller (Nat Semi, 40 pin DIL package) in that chip's DMA mode. The micropodule version provides a memory mapped status register so you can poll DRQ. The other 8 bit cards have a horrid state machine which stalls the MEMC cycle while waiting for DRQ. The 16 bit card has a NCR 53C94 or equivalent. The hardware of that card is involved... The IDE cards work about the same way as everyone else's bog standard memory mapped IDE cards I expect :-) Only the addresses will be different. The SCSI cards provide the standard Acorn SCSIDriver API and so work fine with CDFS. The IDE cards don't support CDROMs although I do have some working ATAPI code which never got released. I would hazard a guess that it would be very easy to support the IDE interfaces and reasonably tricky to support the SCSI ones. The simplest SCSI interface to program is probably the 8 bit Micropodule. -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 20:21:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23102 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:21:46 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 11349]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2569-28617>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:00:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971678-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:58:07 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1623]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971741-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:53:36 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id TAA24584; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:02:44 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199708191802.TAA24584@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Linux on CD To: andy@wonderworks.co.uk (Andy Armstrong) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:02:41 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <872005996.05896.1@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> from "Andy Armstrong" at Aug 19, 97 04:55:14 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > The 16 bit card has a NCR 53C94 or equivalent. The hardware of that card > is involved... How involved - there is generic NCR5380/9x/400 support in the Linux kernel that you basically provide the low level bits too Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 22:35:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24128 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:35:08 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 31507]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2883-31705>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:12:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971738-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:10:08 -0400 Received: from punt-2b.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.6] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52536]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971780-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:28:17 -0400 Received: from carltsw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.64.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1213242; 19 Aug 97 20:43 BST Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:15:56 +0100 (BST) From: Henry Morgan Subject: FTP Problems (was Re: New supplemental disk) To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: ARM Linux Mail List In-Reply-To: <608.199708182241@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Carlton Software X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In on Mon 18 Aug, rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > The new supplemental disk has been uploaded to the FTP site - it should > now work correctly with DeltaNet, as well as some other FTP servers > out there. > I'm using Alphanet, and this does make the installer get further - it says "Retrieving base/hdlist" On the Alphanet log it says: "Connection accepted from 1.104.116.53" (this machine I'm installing on "Anonymous login OK for rhinstall@" But then it doesn't mention any file/list requests. The supplementary disk image I'm using is the one uploaded on 18.8.97. On another note: Using PartMan 1.05 (25-May-1997) I created the following partitions on my drive: 1 0 - 5177087 2528MB Filecore 2 5177088 - 5177089 1KB Table 3 5177090 - 6078210 440MB Linux native 4 6078211 - 6185087 52MB Linux swap However the RedHat installer tells me that I don't have a swap parition for Linux, and asks me if I want to Continue or repartition my hard drive (Cancel). How do I tell it that I have set up the swap partition? My xommputer is a Risc PC StrongARM, with an ATAPI CD ROM, 3GB HD, 26MB, 16bit sound. Any help much appreciated. -- Henry Morgan, Technical Manager Carlton Software mailto:henry@carltsw.demon.co.uk Felmersham Road, Carlton, Bedford MK43 7NA http://www.carltsw.demon.co.uk/ E&OE - Information given in good faith - Views stated are mine and mine only From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 19 22:46:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24296 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:46:20 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 53015]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2478-16171>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:18:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971968-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:16:00 -0400 Received: from punt-1c.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.136] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 57647]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971971-240>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:56:30 -0400 Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1429097; 19 Aug 97 21:29 BST Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:20:37 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: New supplemental disk Message-ID: <6e7241bc47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <608.199708182241@raistlin.armlinux.org> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <608.199708182241@raistlin.armlinux.org> rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > The new supplemental disk has been uploaded to the FTP site - it > should now work correctly with DeltaNet, as well as some other FTP > servers out there. Thanks for the update. Unfortunately, it doesn't get any further than before :-(. It seems to connect, but even though it says it is retrieving the base/hdlist file, I'm not sure it has got that far. If I type in a nonsense filename, it does exactly the same thing; i.e. waits after displaying the base/hdlist message (it times out after a minute) then returns to the download dialogue box. I can't find any option in DeltaNet to increase its logging level; it just gives the same messages as I gave in my previous posting. Russell; do you want to arrange a time for me to be online so that you can test the deltanet server? Send me an email to sort out details if 'yes'. Thanks for everyone's help so far! -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 02:34:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25558 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:29:03 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 6666]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13016-16171>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:11:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971696-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:10:10 -0400 Received: from mail1.digital.com ([204.123.2.50] EHLO mail1.digital.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4500]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971691-244>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:09:54 -0400 Received: from pobox1.pa.dec.com (pobox1.pa.dec.com [16.1.240.19]) by mail1.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with SMTP id SAA29015; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pobox1.pa.dec.com; id AA08416; Tue, 19 Aug 97 18:07:56 -0700 Received: by stowe.pa.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Jul94-0558PM) id AA12396; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:07:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:07:52 -0700 Message-Id: <9708200107.AA12396@stowe.pa.dec.com> From: Deborah Wallach To: A.I.Terlevich@durham.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Ale Terlevich on Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:33:47 +0100 (BST)) Subject: Re: Ftp failure resolution + missing kernel problem Address: Digital Equipment Corporation; Western Research Laboratory; 250 University Avenue; Palo Alto, CA 94301; USA Phone: 650-617-3315 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thanks! That solved the first part of that problem (getting a vmlinux), and I also figured out how to get !Linux to automatically start (the LinConfig application did not work for me, and I had to put a Config file by hand into the !Boot/Choices/Linux directory. I have one correction to your mail: loadmap did not recognize the root device until I added the following statement to the boot.conf file: config { root = "/dev/hda3"; }; (having the root specified in the kernel block wasn't enough). At any rate, I now have linux running on my machine. Thanks again to everyone for all your help! -Debby Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:33:47 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Deborah Wallach wrote: > I found my problem! I added 64 MB to the riscpc (it only had 8 to start > with), and now the ftp proceeds (more-or-less) cleanly (sometimes I get a > window popped up asking for a retry, but never does it hang completely). > Unfortunately, I've developed a new problem. After the ftp finishes, I > get asked a bunch more setup things, and proceed through them happily. > However, just after I select an initial root password, the installer pops > up a window that says "I couldn't find a kernel!". In the upper right hand > corner of the screen is a little note saying it's in the 'Install > bootloader' part of the install. The only option is to click 'ok' at this > point, and playing with the 'Previous', 'Retry', and 'Menu' options of the > ensuing 'Error Window' get me nowhere (it continues not to find the kernel, > and eventually tries to reboot the machine). Ok, here's what I did at this point. go back to riscos Copy the kernel onto a DOS floppy boot the kernel (!linux -bootkernel whawtever-your-kernel's-called) when it asks for extra args, type root=/dev/hda3 (Assuming your root partition is in the same place as mine, i.e. first after RiscOS on your first IDE HD) This will boot linux off your HD! You now have linux running Copy the kernel off the DOS floppy (man mtools) and rename it as /vmlinux (You need to be root to do this) To install the bootloader (The bit that fails in the install) make a file called /etc/boot.conf with contents such as # Linux 2.0.30 block with no ramdisk. kernel { name = "Linux 2.0.30"; path = "/vmlinux"; root = "/dev/hda3"; ramdisk = 0; flags = readonly; }; You may need to change this a bit to reflect your disk setup Then type loadmap -v You can now reboot (CTRL_ALT_DEL) and try the !linux app with the *ADFS::0 kernel (or whatever the syntax is) Hope this helps! Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 08:46:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27791 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:45:59 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 51514]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1591-16171>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:39:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971812-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:37:57 -0400 Received: from punt-1d.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.138] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 39720]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971807-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:37:42 -0400 Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1312339; 20 Aug 97 8:16 BST Subject: Re: Linux on CD Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 08:18:35 +0100 x-sender: wndrwrks@sdps.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Andy Armstrong To: ARM Linux cc: Alan Cox Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <872061397.1312339.0@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> The 16 bit card has a NCR 53C94 or equivalent. The hardware of that card >> is involved... > >How involved - there is generic NCR5380/9x/400 support in the Linux kernel >that you basically provide the low level bits too Oh, probably not that bad then. There's a bit of logic (4 pals) which implement a MEMC state machine with a timeout, the idea being that you can blat away at the chip without doing any handshaking; you get interrupted if a timeout occurs. You can however ignore that and just poll the FIFO on the chip. I assume that's an option which already exists in the code. I'm quite happy to let people look at the source. It's old and convoluted and nasty and largely free from comments, so business as usual there :-) -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 10:26:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28325 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:24:22 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 13665]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1592-28617>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:18:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971843-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:15:44 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.34.18] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 50421]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971857-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:14:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id KAA19460 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:13:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:13:14 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Watford electronics IDE interfaces Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've got two A3000s with ARM3s and 4Mb kicking around here, which I *think* are just within the minimum specification for running ARM linux. The only problem I've got right now is that the IDE interfaces on them are watford ones, which aren't supported. I have had a look through the IDEFS code for the boards, and I think I can get the addresses for all the basic IDE registers. There doesn't appear to be any interrupt support on the board whatsoever, looking at the hardware. Is it likely that I'll be able to hack the kernel into running with this IDE interface? (I'm used to messing with the kernel on x86 machines, and I've pretty much got the kernel cross-compiling OK... Still a little problem with DMA.) -- James Craig From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 11:39:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28738 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:39:32 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 14973]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2667-31705>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:21:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971865-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:18:17 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1298]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971874-244>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:07:51 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id KAA03259; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:58:39 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199708200958.KAA03259@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Linux on CD To: andy@wonderworks.co.uk (Andy Armstrong) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:58:35 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, alan@cymru.net In-Reply-To: <872061397.1312339.0@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> from "Andy Armstrong" at Aug 20, 97 08:18:35 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Oh, probably not that bad then. There's a bit of logic (4 pals) which > implement a MEMC state machine with a timeout, the idea being that you > can blat away at the chip without doing any handshaking; you get > interrupted if a timeout occurs. You can however ignore that and just > poll the FIFO on the chip. I assume that's an option which already exists > in the code. That sounds reasonably sane. The Linux driver base supports 1. Polled I/O on the NCR5380/94 - thats best described as "treacle pudding mode". 2. Pseudo DMA - which sounds like your state machine handles. The only problem we've had there is the Mac - instead of an "it failed" interrupt it bus errors on a timeout/disconnect and the bus error is a pig to clean up ;) 3. Real DMA - which is not relevant in this case. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 12:14:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29116 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:13:23 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 1305]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2436-31705>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:09:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971938-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:06:39 -0400 Received: from HOST.30.82.ixos.de ([149.235.30.82] EHLO ultima.ixos.de ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 33628]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971965-244> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:59:34 -0400 Received: from mickey.munich.ixos.de (mickey.ixos.de [149.235.50.225]) by ultima.ixos.de (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA5953 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:01:26 +0200 Received: by mickey.munich.ixos.de with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCAD69.A80C21F0@mickey.munich.ixos.de>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:04:56 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Roland Groepmair" To: "'linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu'" Subject: RE: Linux on CD Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:04:53 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello! Watching this discussion about contollers and ARM Linux, my old (not really answered) question (7/7/97) comes again (I'm sorry, but I don't give up!): =8-) I have a Cumana SCSI-2 Adapter. Will it be supported by ARM Linux in the future? Although I wanna install on an IDE HD, my CD-ROM is connected with the SCSI-Adapter. The technical specification is: Podule ID's: I used the kernel loader v3.13 (May 11 1997) and the kernel dated 30. Jun 1997, 12:47:20. I think you are interested in the message "Installed expansion cards: 0: [003A:003A] SCSI-2 & CDFS Expansion Card" The hardware information is: CUMANA 16/32 BIT SCSI II DRG NO CL1822 ISS53 FCQR26343/B 3594 Ser No 1300 I have found the following major ICs: - 74HC652AP (four times) - MC74AC04N - Flash N28F010 -150 U41013J2 - FLEXlogic Intel N68FX740-15 L3462425 - Emulex 2400148 FAS 216 E MR 03448 N9311 - AMI 9437LTE 22CV10AP-25 and four small chips Thanks, Roland --- the one who wishes to use ARM Linux one day --- ---------- From: Andy Armstrong[SMTP:andy@wonderworks.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 5:55 PM To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD There are a number of products: 8 bit SCSI regular podule, 8 bit SCSI micropodule, 8 bit SCSI minipodule, SCSI hardcard, 16 bit SCSI. 8 bit IDE minipodule, 16 bit IDE podule, 8 bit IDE Ultimate. The 8 bit SCSI cards use a DP8490 controller (Nat Semi, 40 pin DIL package) in that chip's DMA mode. The micropodule version provides a memory mapped status register so you can poll DRQ. The other 8 bit cards have a horrid state machine which stalls the MEMC cycle while waiting for DRQ. The 16 bit card has a NCR 53C94 or equivalent. The hardware of that card is involved... The IDE cards work about the same way as everyone else's bog standard memory mapped IDE cards I expect :-) Only the addresses will be different. The SCSI cards provide the standard Acorn SCSIDriver API and so work fine with CDFS. The IDE cards don't support CDROMs although I do have some working ATAPI code which never got released. I would hazard a guess that it would be very easy to support the IDE interfaces and reasonably tricky to support the SCSI ones. The simplest SCSI interface to program is probably the 8 bit Micropodule. -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 12:14:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29119 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:14:08 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 1305]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2115-32117>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:10:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971865-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:07:53 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195] HELO globe ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1627]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971901-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:01:03 -0400 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x18Af-0003AA-00; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:39:25 +0100 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x18AX-00008e-00; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:39:17 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Watford electronics IDE interfaces In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:13:14 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:39:16 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message , Ja mes Craig writes: >I've got two A3000s with ARM3s and 4Mb kicking around here, which I >*think* are just within the minimum specification for running ARM linux. >The only problem I've got right now is that the IDE interfaces on them are >watford ones, which aren't supported. I have had a look through the IDEFS >code for the boards, and I think I can get the addresses for all the basic >IDE registers. There doesn't appear to be any interrupt support on the >board whatsoever, looking at the hardware. Is it likely that I'll be able >to hack the kernel into running with this IDE interface? (I'm used to >messing with the kernel on x86 machines, and I've pretty much got the >kernel cross-compiling OK... Still a little problem with DMA.) You should be OK. A basic IDE interface is pretty simple. If you can find out the addresses of the registers then the chances are good that it will work. Are you sure about the interrupt support? I'd be surprised if there really wasn't any. What signs are you looking for on the hardware? p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 19:06:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6] (may be forged)) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01681 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:06:27 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 34651]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16300-16171>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:38:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971981-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:35:36 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1980]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972036-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:31:46 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:32:31 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Aug 97 18:34:40 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:58:06 GMT From: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1137.199708201358@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: New supplemental disk To: ian@advunit.demon.co.uk (Ian Hinder) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:58:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <6e7241bc47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> from "Ian Hinder" at Aug 19, 97 09:20:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ian Hinder writes: > Russell; do you want to arrange a time for me to be online so that you > can test the deltanet server? Send me an email to sort out details if > 'yes'. I have found (hopefully) the final bug with this - the command directly after the PASS login is a PASV to put the server into passive mode. The problem is that it was being sent as PASV\r - missing the '\n'. This has been fixed in the supplemental-1997.08.20 disk. For those who are downloading via modem, I know it's a pain to keep having to download these disks. There is a way to shorten the time (and the file size). When you get a directory listing, it shows: -rw-r--r-- 1 src src 1457600 Aug 20 14:02 supplemental-1997.08.20 If you ask this ftp server for a file named `supplemental-1997.08.20', it will give you 1457600 bytes worth of data - the raw disk. However, if you ask the server for `supplemental-1997.08.20.gz', the server will send you around 601530 bytes - it compresses the disk on the fly as it downloads it to you. This does of course, require you to have the capability to unarchive gzip files, particularly recent gzip files. I *think* that SparkFS may well be able to handle gzips, but I've not tried this out. I have however heard reports of some versions of !Gzip not ungzipping correctly. So, if you feel unsure about your ability to ungzip files, then I would recommend that you get the ungzipped version, otherwise you could run into more problems. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 20:04:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02136 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:03:59 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 45064]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1955-28617>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:54:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971691-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:52:23 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4854]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971800-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:48:36 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:44:15 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Aug 97 19:46:27 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:44:36 GMT From: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1879.199708201844@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Yet Another New Supplemental Image Disk (YAMID) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:44:31 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO The latest supplemental disk is now on the FTP site (supplemental-1997.08.20), and the web link is correct. You may get it either via the web pages (1.44 MB), or via the FTP site (1.44MB, or about 600k if you have gzip capability - read the message on the directory!) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 20:18:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02299 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:18:12 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 65296]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15482-16171>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:14:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971704-244>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:12:00 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.34.18] EHLO lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 34820]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971702-244>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:11:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost sender 9606585c) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/UK-2.2a/cent-sparc) with SMTP id UAA15205; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:12:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:12:45 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk Reply-To: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: Philip Blundell cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Watford electronics IDE interfaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Philip Blundell wrote: > Are you sure about the interrupt support? I'd be surprised if there really > wasn't any. What signs are you looking for on the hardware? Since it's just an A3000 minipodule, it's pretty easy to spot the actual interrupt line on the edge connector. There's nothing connected to it though. -- James Craig From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 20:50:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02542 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:50:12 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 12312]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16231-32117>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:33:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971698-244>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:30:22 -0400 Received: from ping.demon.co.uk ([158.152.166.128] EHLO bluetac.blob.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1050]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971732-244>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:28:41 -0400 Received: from benji (jogu@benji.blob.uk [192.168.1.21]) by bluetac.blob.uk (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01797 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:26:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:38:56 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: New supplemental disk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6e7241bc47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <6e7241bc47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Ian Hinder wrote: > I can't find any option in DeltaNet to increase its logging level; it > just gives the same messages as I gave in my previous posting. I don't know where the option is in the full version - I suspect there may not be one. In the shareware version, you can edit the !Configure file, and setting the debug level to 9 logs *everything* sent on the control channel, as far as I remember. Btw, if you haven't noticed, the redhat installer does (I think) produce debugging/progress information on consoles 3 to 6 or something, I've no idea if looking there would help or not though. (As an aside, I've just searched through my email archive, and failed to find any reference to the other problem with deltanet that I'm sure exists. It definetely needs \r\n terminated lines, as Russell mentioned, but I'm sure there was one other problem. I thought it was something to do with PASV, but I can't find anything wrong with it atm. It doesn't support STOU, but I can hardly see the RedHat installer using that... :-) ) HTH, Joseph -- Joseph Heenan, Coventry, UK mailto:esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 21:22:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02719 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:22:25 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 26667]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2460-16171>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:15:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971668-244>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:14:08 -0400 Received: from punt-1c.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.136] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 43864]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971666-244>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:13:53 -0400 Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1425558; 20 Aug 97 21:05 BST Subject: Re: Linux on CD Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 21:07:07 +0100 x-sender: wndrwrks@sdps.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Andy Armstrong To: ARM Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <872107508.1425558.0@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Sources will cause problems with the GNU copyright. Any chance of the >info on the chips, their addresses, any interrupt hardware, and podule >id's please? I just meant people could have the source code to use as de-facto documentation; would that be a problem? Most of the information you want is only documented in the header files anyway. -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 21:38:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02807 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:38:28 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 8496]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12567-16171>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:25:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971691-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:23:05 -0400 Received: from relay-13.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 48096]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971666-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:22:46 -0400 Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1425558; 20 Aug 97 21:05 BST Subject: Re: Linux on CD Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 21:07:11 +0100 x-sender: wndrwrks@sdps.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Andy Armstrong To: ARM Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <872107512.1425558.2@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Subject: Re: Linux on CD >Sent: 20/8/97 12:51 am >Received: 20/8/97 3:51 pm >From: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk >To: Andy Armstrong, andy@wonderworks.co.uk > >Andy Armstrong writes: >> ... >Thanks for the info. ;) > >Any chance of some hardware (preferably on permanent or longterm >loan)? I don't have much stuff lying around any more, but I'll have a look in the junk cupboard :-) -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 22:33:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03195 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:33:40 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 40268]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1049-28617>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:20:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971668-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:18:02 -0400 Received: from punt-1d.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.138] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 61931]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971718-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:17:18 -0400 Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0905796; 20 Aug 97 21:59 BST Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:54:37 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: New supplemental disk Message-ID: <3065c8bc47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message Joseph Heenan wrote: > In message <6e7241bc47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> > Ian Hinder wrote: > > > I can't find any option in DeltaNet to increase its logging level; it > > just gives the same messages as I gave in my previous posting. > > I don't know where the option is in the full version - I suspect > there may not be one. In the shareware version, you can edit the > !Configure file, and setting the debug level to 9 logs *everything* > sent on the control channel, as far as I remember. > > Btw, if you haven't noticed, the redhat installer does (I think) > produce debugging/progress information on consoles 3 to 6 or > something, I've no idea if looking there would help or not though. How would I access this? I have just downloaded the unregistered deltanet and will look for the logging option and report back. The latest (20-Aug-97) suppimg disc behaves differently to the last ones; it pops up the window saying it is looking for the host name for longer, and almost instantly times out when it tries to get base/hdlist. Registered DeltaNet says Wed 20 Aug, 21:44.33: in.ftpd: Connect from 1.0.0.1 [10] Wed 20 Aug, 21:44.33: in.ftpd: Login OK for ian [10] Wed 20 Aug, 21:44.33: in.ftpd: Connect from 1.0.0.1 [12] Wed 20 Aug, 21:44.33: in.ftpd: Connection closed [10] Wed 20 Aug, 21:44.33: DeltaNet: Select entry not found for removing [12] Anonymous and non-anonymous ftp both give the same results, and giving a wrong password gives a different (correct) error message, so it seems to be getting past the login (as confirmed by the logs). -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 20 22:36:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03202 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:36:55 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 53591]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2410-31705>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:37:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971668-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:35:36 -0400 Received: from punt-1a.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.134] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 48539]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971666-240>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:35:20 -0400 Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1415882; 20 Aug 97 22:26 BST Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:18:20 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Success!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <1391cabc47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Much as I hate subject lines full of exclamation marks, I feel this warrants it! When I used the *unregistered* version of deltanet, I was able to generate full logging messages, and it was only then that I found that the installer was expecting the files to be in /RedHat/base/* I had not realised about the RedHat bit... I managed to get as far as it moaning about not finding files, rather than hanging before transferring anything. More useful error messages on the client side might have been be helpful though... :-) Now, the hard bit. Either I download all the packages from the internet over a 28K modem, someone releases a CD (in which case all this will be academic anyway) or I find some other way of getting the files... I was wondering if anyone with a fast connection would mind copying them onto a few zip discs for me? They are only 100Mb each, so one would not be enough. Does any kind soul have a zip drive and a fast internet connection? Obviously I'll pay full postage costs etc. Thanks for any help! -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 21 09:26:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07217 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:26:53 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 63044]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2538-16171>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:07:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971691-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:05:57 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195] HELO globe ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1969]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971678-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:05:42 -0400 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x1SGk-00047G-00; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:07:02 +0100 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x1SGa-0004Qv-00; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:06:52 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Watford electronics IDE interfaces In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:12:45 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:06:52 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message , Ja mes Craig writes: >On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Philip Blundell wrote: > >> Are you sure about the interrupt support? I'd be surprised if there really >> wasn't any. What signs are you looking for on the hardware? >Since it's just an A3000 minipodule, it's pretty easy to spot the actual >interrupt line on the edge connector. There's nothing connected to it >though. Bizarre. You're sure there isn't a buried track? I suppose it might just be a polled interface, but... p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 21 09:56:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07404 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:56:15 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 9550]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2400-32117>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:42:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971715-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:38:45 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3] EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1209]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971698-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:37:55 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id JAA18283; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:33:58 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199708210833.JAA18283@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Linux on CD To: andy@wonderworks.co.uk (Andy Armstrong) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:33:54 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <872107508.1425558.0@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> from "Andy Armstrong" at Aug 20, 97 09:07:07 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I just meant people could have the source code to use as de-facto > documentation; would that be a problem? In the sense that you are friendly to the cause no. He's right however to be careful in generally. He might accidentally use bits of your code otherwise. > Most of the information you want is only documented in the header files > anyway. All you have to do is get him to send you an SAE and send him back a letter saying "I don't care if bits of the source end up in the GPL'd version". That settles it for good. IMHO its a non issue in this case. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 21 10:12:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07425 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:11:59 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 32600]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1345-16171>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:01:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971705-14770>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:59:23 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195] HELO globe ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2020]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971678-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:58:51 -0400 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [192.0.0.3] (exim) by globe with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x1T6H-0004BH-00; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:00:17 +0100 Received: from spring.nexus.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x1T68-0004iR-00; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:00:08 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: ian@advunit.demon.co.uk (Ian Hinder), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: New supplemental disk In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:58:01 BST." <1137.199708201358@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:00:07 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I *think* that SparkFS may well be able to handle gzips, but I've not tried >this out. It can indeed handle them. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 21 20:21:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13265 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:21:01 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 23105]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12671-32117>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:54:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971686-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:51:47 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4251]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971673-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:51:31 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:52:39 +0100 Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Aug 97 19:54:51 BST Received: from by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Aug 97 19:54:37 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:47:12 GMT From: linux@raistlin.armlinux.org Message-Id: <1774.199708201815@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Linux on CD To: roland.groepmair@munich.ixos.de (Roland Groepmair) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:15:10 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Roland Groepmair" at Aug 20, 97 01:04:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Roland Groepmair writes: > I have found the following major ICs: > - Emulex > 2400148 > FAS 216 > E MR 03448 > N9311 I have started to look at this lately (since I have access to a machine with one in). At first glance, it looks like this chip may be a QLogic FAS clone, and I have looked at this from that point of view. However, I cannot get the chip to respond in the same way as the QLogic FAS SCSI driver would have me believe, so I must assume that it is not. Back to the drawing board then. However, while I have the hardware available, I will be looking into this as a matter of urgency. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 21 20:21:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13267 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:21:04 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 23105]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12264-28617>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:54:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971673-14770>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:52:04 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4257]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971683-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:51:46 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:52:42 +0100 Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Aug 97 19:54:56 BST Received: from by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Aug 97 19:54:52 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:47:13 GMT From: rmk@raistlin.armlinux.org Message-Id: <1090.199708201346@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: FTP Problems (was Re: New supplemental disk) To: henry@carltsw.demon.co.uk (Henry Morgan) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:46:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Henry Morgan" at Aug 19, 97 08:15:56 pm X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe Reply-To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Henry Morgan writes: > On the Alphanet log it says: > > "Connection accepted from 1.104.116.53" (this machine I'm installing on > "Anonymous login OK for rhinstall@" > > But then it doesn't mention any file/list requests. The supplementary disk > image I'm using is the one uploaded on 18.8.97. I'm going to upload a new supplemental disk soon (20.8.97) which should fix this problem. > Using PartMan 1.05 (25-May-1997) I created the following partitions on > my drive: > > 1 0 - 5177087 2528MB Filecore > 2 5177088 - 5177089 1KB Table > 3 5177090 - 6078210 440MB Linux native > 4 6078211 - 6185087 52MB Linux swap Try running the installer, using the supplemental disk as you have been, and then type on console 2 (alt-F2), /usr/bin/fdisk /dev/hda. fdisk will then print a menu entry. Use `p' to list the partition table, `q' to quit. It should say that /dev/hda5 has an Id. of 82, which is Linux swap. Could you confirm this? > However the RedHat installer tells me that I don't have a swap parition > for Linux, and asks me if I want to Continue or repartition my hard drive > (Cancel). How do I tell it that I have set up the swap partition? It should detect it. The installer runs the above command to get the partition information, and is the first place to look for problems. The other thing is that I hope you're using a newish root disk (around late July)? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 21 20:36:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13362 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:36:55 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 23105]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12580-28617>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:53:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971682-14770>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:51:03 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4186]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971673-14770> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:50:45 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:52:12 +0100 Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Aug 97 19:54:27 BST Received: from by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Aug 97 19:54:23 BST Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:08:48 GMT From: rmk@tanis.armlinux.org Message-Id: <352.199708211308@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Syquest drives (not much luck with mine) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:08:31 +0100 (BST) X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe Reply-To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all! Well, as you all know, I seem to be jinxed when it comes to hardware. Well, I have a Syquest drive, and this mail is all about the saga so far... I purchased a Syquest 270MB drive and a few disks around last year. They turned up next day, and I unpackaged them and connected the drive up. Great I thought! I powered the drive up, and put a disk in. The drive busy light (yellow) lit up, and the drive span up. However, the drive light stayed yellow, and there was no sign of any head movement. Eventually, the drive span the disk down again. I tried another disk, and got exactly the same results, so I disconnected the drive and examined it closely. There is a connector on the board which carries various signals to the disk heads - it wasn't soldered onto the board. Ok, so I sent it back, and got an (apparantly) later drive with various modifications to the board (as Syquest put it, they speed the drive up). This drive has appeared to work fine for the past year with my cartridges bought at around the time and around Christmas. However, I bought some cartridges last week. Guess what? The drive has taken a dislike to them - it spins them up, makes the usual `zzz zzz' sound the drive does, but this is followed immediately by a CLICK, and another `zzz zzz', and maybe if the wind is blowing from the right direction the first stages of head calibration. So, I phoned up Syquest, and got a new set of cartridges sent out. I received these today. I tried them out£and got exactly the same results - the drive didn't like them. Syquest are now going to replace the drive. The problem is that I may be without Syquest for a while, and where's my copy of the FTP site? You guessed it! On Syquest! Ok, so don't I have a backup? Well, yes - it's a read-only CD Rom image. Not much good when you're updating things to go onto the FTP site. So, until this problem is solved, it looks like I'm going to be without FTP image, and hence the FTP site is going to be without update until this problem is solved. [Why me? Why can't someone else have some problems?] _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 21 21:09:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13598 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:09:53 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 24140]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2020-28617>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:19:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971697-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:16:32 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1141]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971682-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:16:00 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:17:30 +0100 Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Aug 97 20:19:44 BST Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Aug 97 20:19:41 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01867 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:17:50 +0100 From: Linux Administration Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA02646 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:17:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199708211917.UAA02646@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Mail problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:17:46 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have been having mail problems recently. All messages that you may have received from the domain .armlinux.org (which doesn't exist to the rest of the internet community) should be from my address `rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk'. Please do not use your mailer's REPLY-TO function - it may not work. Also, please ignore these addresses, and mail me if you them after a couple of days. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 21 22:28:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14251 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:28:48 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 28679]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12485-28617>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:54:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971673-14770>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:52:20 -0400 Received: from relay-13.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 34879]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971682-14770>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:52:04 -0400 Received: from carltsw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.64.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105052; 21 Aug 97 21:43 BST Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:40:27 +0100 (BST) From: Henry Morgan Subject: Setting up partitions - help please! To: ARM Linux Mail List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Carlton Software X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, I've got my paritions setup in PartManager (v1.05) - a total of 4 partitions, 1: FileCore 2528MB 2: Table 1KB 3: Linux Native 440MB 4: Linux Swap 52MB However in the RedHat installer it tells me that I haven't got a 50MB or bigger Swap partition. It then gives me the chance to partition /hda if I do this and ask for a list of partitions to be given no partitions are displayed. If I continue with the installation I get told that I haven't got a Linux Native partition (the installer FTPs successfully the base/hdlist file from the FTP site where the RedHat stuff is). Could you give me any help, as I feel I am getting so close to installong it... The Kernel and Supplementary disc are the latest ones as of 10:00PM BST, 21/8 (I'm not sure of the version number). I'm not sure of the version of !Linux that I'm using - where do I find the version number? Any help very much appreciated. The computer is a SA Risc PC. -- Henry Morgan, Technical Manager Carlton Software mailto:henry@carltsw.demon.co.uk Felmersham Road, Carlton, Bedford MK43 7NA http://www.carltsw.demon.co.uk/ E&OE - Information given in good faith - Views stated are mine and mine only From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 21 23:07:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14450 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:07:03 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 52250]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1316-31705>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:38:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971683-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:36:20 -0400 Received: from punt-2b.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.6] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 64992]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971697-14772>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:36:03 -0400 Received: from carltsw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.64.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0515512; 21 Aug 97 22:08 BST Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:04:15 +0100 (BST) From: Henry Morgan Subject: Re: FTP Problems (was Re: New supplemental disk) To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: ARM Linux Mail List In-Reply-To: <1090.199708201346@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Carlton Software X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In on Wed 20 Aug, rmk@raistlin.armlinux.org wrote: > Henry Morgan writes: > > But then it doesn't mention any file/list requests. The supplementary disk > > image I'm using is the one uploaded on 18.8.97. > > I'm going to upload a new supplemental disk soon (20.8.97) which should fix this > problem. Fixed it thanks. > > Using PartMan 1.05 (25-May-1997) I created the following partitions on > > my drive: > > > > 1 0 - 5177087 2528MB Filecore > > 2 5177088 - 5177089 1KB Table > > 3 5177090 - 6078210 440MB Linux native > > 4 6078211 - 6185087 52MB Linux swap > > Try running the installer, using the supplemental disk as you have been, > and then type on console 2 (alt-F2), /usr/bin/fdisk /dev/hda. fdisk will > then print a menu entry. Use `p' to list the partition table, `q' to quit. I get the error "file or directory /dev/hda" not found. At the prompt I typed "cd /dev", and then "ls" to see what was there, and it only listed: tty1 tty2 tty3 tty4 tty5 tty6 > It should say that /dev/hda5 has an Id. of 82, which is Linux swap. Could > you confirm this? No - see the above error. When I get the prompt about not having a swap partition it gives me the option of partitioning my disk - in this I can list the partitions, and none are displayed. > > However the RedHat installer tells me that I don't have a swap parition > > for Linux, and asks me if I want to Continue or repartition my hard drive > > (Cancel). How do I tell it that I have set up the swap partition? > > It should detect it. The installer runs the above command to get the > partition information, and is the first place to look for problems. The other > thing is that I hope you're using a newish root disk (around late July)? > _____ I've just tried it with the latest one on the FTP site, and it didn't work :-( I posted another message, on a different (new thread) about this, as I had got the FTP working, and thought non one was going to reply to my message - sorry! Hope you can get me sorted, thanks, -- Henry Morgan, Technical Manager Carlton Software mailto:henry@carltsw.demon.co.uk Felmersham Road, Carlton, Bedford MK43 7NA http://www.carltsw.demon.co.uk/ E&OE - Information given in good faith - Views stated are mine and mine only From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 22 11:10:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18809 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:10:19 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 61736]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1570-28617>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:47:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971709-14770>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:44:36 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98] EHLO odie.barnet.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1661]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971708-14770>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:44:19 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA18775; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:44:15 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199708220944.KAA18775@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Setting up partitions - help please! To: henry@carltsw.demon.co.uk (Henry Morgan) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:44:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Henry Morgan" at Aug 21, 97 09:40:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO It sounds like you haven't run MAKEDEV. This script is located in either /dev or /sbin, depending how the RedHat distrib is set up. I'm a slackware man myself. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 22 15:49:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21079 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:49:57 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 39746]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1985-32117>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:50:18 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971715-21726>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:47:24 -0400 Received: from punt-2a.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.5] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52591]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971719-21728>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:47:05 -0400 Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0608097; 22 Aug 97 12:42 BST Subject: Re: Linux on CD Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 12:44:24 +0100 x-sender: wndrwrks@sdps.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Andy Armstrong cc: ARM Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <872250144.068097.0@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> I just meant people could have the source code to use as de-facto >> documentation; would that be a problem? > >In the sense that you are friendly to the cause no. He's right however to >be careful in generally. He might accidentally use bits of your code >otherwise. Ah. >> Most of the information you want is only documented in the header files >> anyway. > >All you have to do is get him to send you an SAE and send him back a letter >saying "I don't care if bits of the source end up in the GPL'd version". >That settles it for good. IMHO its a non issue in this case. Fine. I have no problem at all with that. -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong From henry@carltsw.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 22 19:28:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1c.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.136]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA22598 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:28:15 +0100 Received: from carltsw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.64.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110043; 22 Aug 97 18:45 BST Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:37:33 +0100 (BST) From: Henry Morgan Subject: Re: Setting up partitions - help please! To: Matthew Wilcox In-Reply-To: <199708220944.KAA18775@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Carlton Software X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] Status: RO On Fri 22 Aug, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > It sounds like you haven't run MAKEDEV. This script is located in either > /dev or /sbin, depending how the RedHat distrib is set up. I'm a > slackware man myself. Ermm, I couldn't find makedev... Is this only copied once the installation program has been run? I can't acutally get the install rpogram to pick up my partitions :-( Russell got me trying mknod, and checking with fdisk, but they don't appear. Thanks, any ideas gratefully taken! -- Henry Morgan, Technical Manager Carlton Software mailto:henry@carltsw.demon.co.uk Felmersham Road, Carlton, Bedford MK43 7NA http://www.carltsw.demon.co.uk/ E&OE - Information given in good faith - Views stated are mine and mine only ** Acorn & Epson approved dealer. Acorn registered developer ** From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 23 01:34:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA24961 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:34:47 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 15388]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12546-16171>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 03:06:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971948-21728>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:03:42 -0400 Received: from kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz ([202.50.200.7] EHLO kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4731]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972222-21728>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:52:49 -0400 Received: from irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz (irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz [131.203.8.9]) by kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05039 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:18:17 +1200 (NZST) Received: from IRL_GRACE1/SpoolDir by irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz (Mercury 1.21); 23 Aug 97 11:15:20 GMT+12 Received: from SpoolDir by IRL_GRACE1 (Mercury 1.21); 23 Aug 97 11:15:18 GMT+12 Received: from glennr by irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz (Mercury 1.21); 23 Aug 97 11:15:04 GMT+12 From: g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz (Glenn Ramsey) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Machine hangs during "format partition" stage of install Reply-To: g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:45:18 +1300 Message-ID: <19970823.094518.12@glennr.grace.cri.nz> Organization: Glenn Ramsey X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO While trying to install arm linux my machine hangs while mke2fs is running on my linux partition. This is the setup: rpc700 8M/2M ram/vram arm 710 ro3.6 Drive ADFS::4 Seagate ST32132A - 2.1 Gb - master partition 1 997 MB Filecore partition 2 1 kB Table partition 3 100 Mb Linux Swap partition 4 918 Mb Linux Native Drive ADFS::5 Seagate ST32132A - slave borrowed from my 386 Linux machine at work and formatted by Linux 2/0/30 (Debian-'cos it's mirrored in NZ): partition 1 Linux partition 2 Linux swap partition 3 MSDOS partition 4 extended (type 5?) partition 5 /var partition 6 /usr partition 7 /home The redhat install directories are in the root directory of partition 1 of this drive. The problem occurs when mke2fs is writing inode tables on /dev/hda4. It gets through the install process until the "format partitions" section which is where it hangs: Console 3 says: running /usr/bin/mke2fs mke2fs /dev/hda4 Console 5 says: .. blocksize=1024 (log 0) fragment size=1024 (log 0) 115 block groups 2048 inodes per group superblock backup stored on blocks: writing inode tables 32/115 - this is where it hangs. What can I do about this? Other problems and fixes that may be worth noting: 1. Couldn't find valid redhat install tree. I had copied the redhat RPMS directory onto the Linux disk as /RedHat/RPMS but the install program kept reporting it couldn't find a valid redhat install tree. You also need a RedHat/base with the relevant files in it. The "downloading" section on the web page: "http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/armlinux/downloading.html" doesn't mention this. It only mentions the RPM packages. Perhaps this could be reworded to say something like: "You will also need a RedHat install tree containing the directories: RedHat/RPMS RedHat/base and all the files in them, which are available from ftp://... I guess that if you do an ftp install then you don't have this problem. 2. Linux hard disc not recognised. Thanks to Russel for the fix to this one. The Linux disc from my work PC had previously been formatted as an ADFS disc (to allow reformatting of my ailing CFS850A). When reformatting it as a Linux disk the ADFS boot sector is not overwritten. Because this disc still had a valid ADFS boot sector the kernel thought it was an ADFS disc. I just wrote zeros to the boot sector to get rid of it. Now during startup the kernel thinks it's a DOS disc and can see all the partitions, and the redhat install program can mount the 3 primary partitions. However the redhat install program can't see the extended partitions. Why is this ? g -- Glenn Ramsey g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz -- Glenn Ramsey g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 23 16:58:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA31767 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:58:47 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 49727]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1549-32117>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:54:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971842-21728>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:51:13 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3142]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971838-21728>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:50:58 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:52:44 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Aug 97 16:54:52 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02314; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:43:15 +0100 From: ARM Linux Admin (Russell King) Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA00586; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:43:16 +0100 Message-Id: <199708230943.KAA00586@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Machine hangs during "format partition" stage of install To: g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:43:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <19970823.094518.12@glennr.grace.cri.nz> from "Glenn Ramsey" at Aug 23, 97 09:45:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Glenn Ramsey writes: > While trying to install arm linux my machine hangs while > mke2fs is running on my linux partition. > > Drive ADFS::4 Seagate ST32132A - 2.1 Gb - master > > partition 1 997 MB Filecore > partition 2 1 kB Table > partition 3 100 Mb Linux Swap > partition 4 918 Mb Linux Native > > Drive ADFS::5 Seagate ST32132A - slave > borrowed from my 386 Linux machine at work and formatted by > Linux 2/0/30 (Debian-'cos it's mirrored in NZ): > >... > Console 3 says: > running /usr/bin/mke2fs mke2fs /dev/hda4 > > Console 5 says: > .. > blocksize=1024 (log 0) > fragment size=1024 (log 0) > 115 block groups > 2048 inodes per group > superblock backup stored on blocks: > > writing inode tables 32/115 - this is where it hangs. > > What can I do about this? I presume that this has been tried quite a few times? Does it always hang in the same place at the same inode table number? Which kernel (date on the corresponding file on the FTP site please) are you using? What happens if you repartition the disk with Linux Native in partition 3 and Linux Swap in 4? Does the mke2fs go further? > Other problems and fixes that may be worth noting: > > 1. Couldn't find valid redhat install tree. >... > You also need a RedHat/base with the relevant files in it. > The "downloading" section on the web page: > "http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/armlinux/downloading.html" > doesn't mention this. It only mentions the RPM packages. Eek! Please change that web address to: http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk92/armlinux/downloading.html I'd like to have some site-independence please (since they're going to be moving at a later date... ;) > I guess that if you do an ftp install then you don't have > this problem. That is correct - the ftp install method will find the relevent files in RedHat/RPMS and RedHat/base. > 2. Linux hard disc not recognised. > > Thanks to Russel for the fix to this one. > > The Linux disc from my work PC had previously been formatted > as an ADFS disc (to allow reformatting of my ailing > CFS850A). > > When reformatting it as a Linux disk the ADFS boot sector is > not overwritten. I think I'll add this one to the FAQ... > However the redhat install program can't see the extended > partitions. Why is this ? The RedHat installer runs the `fdisk' program to get a list of the partitions available on the drive. The version of `fdisk' with ARM Linux is an unfinished re-write of the real `fdisk' program. `fdisk' has enough functionality to report most of the available partitions, and modify the information in memory, but won't currently display PC extended partitions nor allow the altered partition information to be written back. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 23 18:41:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA32501 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:41:08 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 50269]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2614-32117>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:17:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971880-21728>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:14:14 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1553]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971907-21726>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:11:45 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0x2JiX-0000lb-00; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:11:17 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Machine hangs during "format partition" stage of install In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:43:14 BST." <199708230943.KAA00586@raistlin.armlinux.org> From: Philip Blundell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:11:17 -0000 Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Glenn Ramsey writes: >> writing inode tables 32/115 - this is where it hangs. >> >> What can I do about this? > >I presume that this has been tried quite a few times? Does it always >hang in the same place at the same inode table number? Which kernel That can be symptomatic of running out of memory. mke2fs needs a surprising amount to work, particularly for bigger disks. p. From rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Sat Aug 23 21:14:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00802 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:14:09 +0100 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id VAA02388 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:16:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Aug 97 21:18:27 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04056 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:16:36 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA02052 for willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:25:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199708221225.NAA02052@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Setting up partitions - help please! To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:25:54 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199708220944.KAA18775@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Aug 22, 97 10:44:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > It sounds like you haven't run MAKEDEV. This script is located in either > /dev or /sbin, depending how the RedHat distrib is set up. I'm a > slackware man myself. He's not getting that far yet! It shouldn't be necessary to run this script anyway, since the devices are normally installed from a RPM. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 23 21:57:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01001 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:57:35 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 39200]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1857-32117>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:17:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971892-21726>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:14:30 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2637]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971884-21726>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:14:01 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:16:19 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Aug 97 21:18:29 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03765; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:08:22 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA01954; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:08:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199708231808.TAA01954@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Machine hangs during "format partition" stage of install To: Philip.Blundell@pobox.com (Philip Blundell) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:08:05 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Aug 23, 97 05:50:07 pm X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe Reply-To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > >Glenn Ramsey writes: > >> writing inode tables 32/115 - this is where it hangs. > >> > >> What can I do about this? > > > >I presume that this has been tried quite a few times? Does it always > >hang in the same place at the same inode table number? Which kernel > > That can be symptomatic of running out of memory. mke2fs needs a > surprising amount to work, particularly for bigger disks. But I wouldn't have expected it to just stop - I'd expect it to say 'Out of memory' and exit with a bad error code. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 24 08:11:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04761 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:10:59 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 61447]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2879-31705>; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:57:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971715-21728>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:33:11 -0400 Received: from kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz ([202.50.200.7] EHLO kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4889]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971729-21726>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:33:01 -0400 Received: from irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz (irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz [131.203.8.9]) by kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05664; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:37:49 +1200 (NZST) Received: from IRL_GRACE1/SpoolDir by irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz (Mercury 1.21); 24 Aug 97 14:34:50 GMT+12 Received: from SpoolDir by IRL_GRACE1 (Mercury 1.21); 24 Aug 97 14:34:42 GMT+12 Received: from glennr by irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz (Mercury 1.21); 24 Aug 97 14:34:37 GMT+12 To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz (Glenn Ramsey) Subject: Re: Machine hangs during "format partition" stage of install Reply-To: g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz References: <199708230943.KAA00586@raistlin.armlinux.org> In-Reply-To: <199708230943.KAA00586@raistlin.armlinux.org> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:04:21 +1300 Message-ID: <19970824.130421.03@glennr.grace.cri.nz> Organization: Glenn Ramsey X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <199708230943.KAA00586@raistlin.armlinux.org> you wrote: > Glenn Ramsey writes: > > While trying to install arm linux my machine hangs while > > mke2fs is running on my linux partition. > > (...) > > Console 5 says: > > .. > > blocksize=1024 (log 0) > > fragment size=1024 (log 0) > > 115 block groups > > 2048 inodes per group > > superblock backup stored on blocks: > > > > writing inode tables 32/115 - this is where it hangs. > > > > What can I do about this? > > I presume that this has been tried quite a few times? Does it always > hang in the same place at the same inode table number? Which kernel > (date on the corresponding file on the FTP site please) are you using? > What happens if you repartition the disk with Linux Native in partition > 3 and Linux Swap in 4? Does the mke2fs go further? I'm using the files: root-rpc-1997.08.06 supplemental-1997.08.06 rpc-2.0.30-1997.07.20 I tried using partition 3, sized at 954 Mb instead of 4 and it still didn't work, but mke2fs did appear to go further. It stops on a different place each time. The last 3 times it has stopped on inodes 84/120, 38/120 and 73/120. Using the previous setup on partition 4 it was stopping around the 30 mark. But the last time I tried before changing the partitions it stopped at 13. The last 2 messages on console 4 (I think?), the last time I tried, were: <4> adding swap ... <4> couldn't get a free page Is this relevant? g -- Glenn Ramsey g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 24 23:24:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6] (may be forged)) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10651 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:24:04 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 21301]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2946-10852>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:51:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971948-9410>; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:47:49 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2697]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971964-9410>; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:47:19 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:49:59 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Aug 97 22:52:08 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05849 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:08:28 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA01340 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:08:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199708241508.QAA01340@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Incompatable Linux 2.0.30 changes! To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:08:12 +0100 (BST) X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe Reply-To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hiya. I've got a mail here from someone trying to use Linux on an 8MB machine. It seems to stall when mke2fsing a 1GB partition. The machine has 64MB swap file on it, and the kernel message is: Adding Swap: 63316k (priority 27200). I presume that at this priority, it wouldn't get used? The next message is 'Could not get a free page....' During my investigation, I came across the following problem: It appears that the swapon call arguments have been modified with little protection on the values that passed in the new arguments. Someone's extremely basic test, that should not have been put in even IMO as it stood does very little to guard against this, especially as the syscall number hasn't changed! This means that if anyone uses an old version of the swapon binary for example, and the fact that swapon is still prototyped as swapon (const char *) in the header files, it's very likely that this change is going to cause me a lot of grief and probably many other people as well using different ports. His test is basically: if (swap_flags & SWAP_FLAG_PREFER) { p->prio = (swap_flags & SWAP_FLAG_PRIO_MASK)>>SWAP_FLAG_PRIO_SHIFT; } ... A 1 bit test! An absolute turkey! This means that I'm going to have to modify the RedHat installer yet again. There is a good example of how do do this change in the kernel - the mount syscall: * NOTE! As old versions of mount() didn't use this setup, the flags * has to have a special 16-bit magic number in the hight word: * 0xC0ED. If this magic word isn't present, the flags and data info * isn't used, as the syscall assumes we are talking to an older * version that didn't understand them. A better solution would have been to pass the second argument to swapon as a magic number, and the third as the priority, or even change the syscall number and have a backward-compatability function in the architecture specific code! Obviously this isn't up for debate at this time, so I'm going to have to change the binaries, and the people who have downloaded ARM Linux (around 50GB or so of downloads so far) to redownload a few MB each (which would equal a total of 126 manhours of downloading time)! I'd like Linus to know about this particular bit of grief so that he can check for this sort of thing, to help prevent it from happening again! I'm not moaning - I'd just like to make sure that something like this doesn't lay dormant for several months before it becomes apparant! (Sound's just like a virus doesn't it)! This has come about because the RedHat 4.0 installer uses swapon (device) and not swapon (device, priority). This means that the priority argument to the newly changed swapon routine can be anything. (RH4.0 uses Linux 2.0 isn't it?). I'll let people know once the new code is up on the FTP site. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 25 07:12:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA14721 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 07:12:46 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 40975]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1257-29140>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:48:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971755-9408>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:45:05 -0400 Received: from kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz ([202.50.200.7] EHLO kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 2447]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971747-9410>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:44:49 -0400 Received: from irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz (irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz [131.203.8.9]) by kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09473; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:49:38 +1200 (NZST) Received: from IRL_GRACE1/SpoolDir by irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz (Mercury 1.21); 25 Aug 97 17:46:50 GMT+12 Received: from SpoolDir by IRL_GRACE1 (Mercury 1.21); 25 Aug 97 17:46:18 GMT+12 Received: from glennr by irlgrace1.grace.cri.nz (Mercury 1.21); 25 Aug 97 17:46:11 GMT+12 To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz (Glenn Ramsey) Subject: Re: Machine hangs during "format partition" stage of install Reply-To: g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz References: <199708240918.KAA00456@raistlin.armlinux.org> In-Reply-To: <199708240918.KAA00456@raistlin.armlinux.org> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:39:52 +1300 Message-ID: <19970825.173952.45@glennr.grace.cri.nz> Organization: Glenn Ramsey X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I tried the new disks: root-rpc-1997.24.06 supplemental-1997.24.06 rpc-2.0.30-1997.07.20 mke2fs still hangs while writing inode tables: 44/120 - the last mesage on console 4 was <4> Adding swap .... there were no messages after this one. 61/120 console 4 says: <4> Adding swap: 65516 k swap-space (priority -1) <4> Couldn't get a free page..... -- Glenn Ramsey g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 25 21:18:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21178 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:18:52 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 47962]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1942-20374>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:42:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971780-9408>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:37:52 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239] HELO paddington.london.uk.eu.org ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1027]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971815-9408>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:36:15 -0400 Received: from paddington.london.uk.eu.org [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by paddington.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0x2yP6-0000Av-00; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:37:56 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Incompatable Linux 2.0.30 changes! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:08:12 BST." <199708241508.QAA01340@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:37:56 -0000 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >This means that if anyone uses an old version of the swapon binary for example >, >and the fact that swapon is still prototyped as swapon (const char *) in the >header files, it's very likely that this change is going to cause me a lot of >grief and probably many other people as well using different ports. Just a thought (and I haven't checked this) - it's possible that we're starting to see the ill effects of using libc-4. For Linux 2.0 libc-5 has been the standard C library, and it may be that they have a newer swapon(). Granted, that doesn't make the change any safer, but it may explain why nobody has noticed before now. The kernel people are starting to talk about filing libc-4 firmly under "dead and buried" for 2.2. BTW, on a different subject, I'm working on integrating the PIC support with binutils at the moment. Once that's done supporting ELF shouldn't be too hard. Unfortunately I'm a bit busy with other work right now, so it may take a few weeks. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 26 00:14:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA22460 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:14:49 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 41568]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2028-10852>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:52:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971871-9408>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:48:25 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1144]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971808-9410>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:47:27 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:46:59 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Aug 97 23:49:08 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12196; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:46:16 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA02405; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:46:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199708252246.XAA02405@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Machine hangs during "format partition" stage of install To: g.ramsey@irl.cri.nz Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:46:07 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <19970823.094518.12@glennr.grace.cri.nz> from "Glenn Ramsey" at Aug 23, 97 09:45:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hiya. A little more bad news. I didn't read Alan Cox's message correctly. Basically, I can now say that I have experienced your (Glenn) kernel hang problem here today in a slightly more aggressive way: Aug 25 15:17:28 raistlin kernel: Couldn't get a free page..... Aug 25 15:18:09 raistlin last message repeated 4 times Aug 25 15:19:09 raistlin last message repeated 6 times Aug 25 15:20:09 raistlin last message repeated 6 times Aug 25 15:20:19 raistlin kernel: Couldn't get a free page..... However, I was able to recover the situation by quiting some of the programs I was running. The problem appears to be caused by deadlock in the v2.0.30 of the kernel. The solution is on it's way however, in the form of v2.0.31 (or v2.0.31pre7). Either should fix this deadlock problem, and allow your install to complete correctly. Please wait for a v2.0.31 kernel and a new RiscPC root install disk (also if anyone else sees this problem, I know about it, yes, it's annoying, and no I can't do anything about it without releasing yet new kernels and root disks ;( ). I can't at the moment put a time scale on it since I'm not certain what I'm doing (work-wise) over the rest of this week. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 26 13:22:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27254 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:22:31 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 51570]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12723-29140>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:50:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971970-9408>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:46:49 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3051]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971964-9408>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:46:00 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:49:09 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Aug 97 12:51:19 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12175 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:37:57 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA02379 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:37:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199708252237.XAA02379@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: RedHat installer - any problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:37:46 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi. I have had a few reports about the RedHat installer saying: Bad FTP server response When this happens, could people please have a look in /mnt/var/tmp: Alt-F2 cd /mnt/var/tmp ls -l and report the files and sizes of the files that they find in there for each Bad FTP server response. A word of warning: it would appear (possibly) that something is amiss with the Developer CD from Acorn. I'm not exactly sure what the problem is, or even if the problem exists... This problem manifests itself by producing zero length files in /mnt/var/tmp while the install is taking place, and then after install the system does not allow logins. When installing from the Developer CD, I recommend that you don't do a CD install, but instead copy the RPMs off of the developer CD onto a FTP server (if possible). Then get off the ftp site (ftp.arm.uk.linux.org) the newest RedHat/RPMS and RedHat/base files. You should take all the RedHat/base files. To obtain the new RedHat/RPMS files, do not look in RedHat/RPMS, but look in RedHat/newrpms. This directory contains all the updated RPM packages that have been changed since the release. You only need to get the highest version-numbered archives from that directory. The version information is basically contained in the filename thus: --.arm.rpm You want the latest version and release of all packages. The release structure is: OLD ----------------> NEWEST 5 5a1 5a2 5a3 5a4 This should allow the install to run a little more smoothly. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 26 13:31:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27273 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:31:33 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 51570]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1487-20374>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:50:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971972-9408>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:46:16 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3033]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971970-9410>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:45:57 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:49:01 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Aug 97 12:51:11 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12147 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:25:08 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA02347 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:25:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199708252225.XAA02347@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Incompatable Linux 2.0.30 changes! To: Philip.Blundell@pobox.com (Philip Blundell) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:55:02 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Aug 25, 97 01:37:56 pm X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe Reply-To: rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > Just a thought (and I haven't checked this) - it's possible that we're > starting to see the ill effects of using libc-4. For Linux 2.0 libc-5 has been > the standard C library, and it may be that they have a newer swapon(). > Granted, that doesn't make the change any safer, but it may explain why nobody > has noticed before now. Nope - those are the libc5 header files! The reason that no one has noticed it is probably something to do with the way the arguments are passed to the kernel. On i386, the second register may always contain a certain value on entry to this kernel syscall, and therefore the problem will never be seen. > The kernel people are starting to talk about filing libc-4 firmly under "dead > and buried" for 2.2. Well, until we get ELF... (Richard Earnshaw hasn't replied to my latest mails). > BTW, on a different subject, I'm working on integrating the PIC support with > binutils at the moment. Once that's done supporting ELF shouldn't be too hard. > Unfortunately I'm a bit busy with other work right now, so it may take a few > weeks. Yipppeee! Some news about some work on ELF ;) ;) ;) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 28 16:49:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA14375 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:49:41 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 54049]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <630-27776>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:53:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972067-9408>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:49:01 -0400 Received: from relay-13.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 46980]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972094-9408>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:48:20 -0400 Received: from afawcett.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.48]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0922476; 28 Aug 97 15:15 BST Received: from [127.0.0.1] by afawcett.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:12:39 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:58:58 +0000 From: Andy Fawcett To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD Message-ID: <4e7c1c047%tap@afawcett.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <871994055.1414128.0@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!) X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-28 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <871994055.1414128.0@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> Andy Armstrong wrote: >> [SCSI/CD support for ArmLinux] >>>> Are there any plans to handle the HCCS micropodule interface? >> I haven't seen anything from Andy on the list in a long while. >> Hopefully he'll be able to provide some of the programming details >> needed. > Here I am :-) Good[tm] :-) > The offer still stands, and covers any HCCS SCSI or IDE products. > Unfortunately I don't have time to do the work myself, but I'm > prepared to make source available and offer help to anyone else who > wants to have a go. I'm useless with hardware, couldn't write a device driver if my life depended on it... ...But I'll test peoples code for them since I have the hardware. Having said that, I'm still waiting for the A5K version to be released. -- Andy Fawcett a.f.p. recipes (recipe-serv@lspace.org) http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/ send mail with subject 'send index' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fain would I climb, yet fear I to fall. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 28 16:58:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA14388 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:57:59 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 54049]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <914-12824>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:52:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972136-9408>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:46:50 -0400 Received: from punt-1c.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.136] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 40095]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971975-9408>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:44:00 -0400 Received: from afawcett.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.48]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020769; 28 Aug 97 15:16 BST Received: from [127.0.0.1] by afawcett.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:12:47 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:02:37 +0000 From: Andy Fawcett To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on CD Message-ID: <85dc1c047%tap@afawcett.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <872005996.05896.1@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!) X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-28 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <872005996.05896.1@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> Andy Armstrong wrote: [HCCS cards] > I would hazard a guess that it would be very easy to support the IDE > interfaces and reasonably tricky to support the SCSI ones. The > simplest SCSI interface to program is probably the 8 bit Micropodule. :-) Guess which SCSI interface I have? -- Andy Fawcett a.f.p. recipes (recipe-serv@lspace.org) http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/ send mail with subject 'send index' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore!" From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 02:53:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA27858 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 02:53:28 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 3936]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1673-27776>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 04:17:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972201-22471>; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:29:36 -0400 Received: from punt-1c.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.136] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 37781]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971994-22471>; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:29:20 -0400 Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab0924319; 30 Aug 97 1:19 BST Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 01:10:23 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <66d77cc147%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1391cabc47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <1391cabc47%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Ian Hinder wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone with a fast connection would mind copying > them onto a few zip discs for me? They are only 100Mb each, so > one would not be enough. Does any kind soul have a zip drive and > a fast internet connection? Obviously I'll pay full postage costs > etc. Public thanks to the two people who kindly offered to do this. I now have the necessary files and this evening attempted an installation... I got as far as the "can't find kernel" problem mentioned before on this list, and diligently followed the instructions given. I copied the kernel onto a DOS disc (dismounting it afterwards!) and booted up linux. The last few lines of the startup screen were: Activating swap partitions hostname: localhost Checking root filesystems /etc/fstab: No such file or directory It then prompted me to either log in as root to correct the problem, or ctrl-D to reboot Risc OS. Being in an adventurous mood, I logged in as root, but I couldn't do much because the hard disc seemed to be in a permanently write-protected state. I tried mcopy a:/kernel /vmlinux But it said something along the lines of Can't open /vmlinux for writing File 'kernel' not found I created the /etc/boot.conf file in emacs, but when I tried to save it I was told that the filing system was read-only. Any ideas? It sounds like a file that should have been copied (fstab) wasn't. I'm guessing that it means filing system table, so perhaps it contains info about the r/w status of the filing systems?? If so, this could explain the problems. Is there some way I can get this file installed, or can I generate it myself? -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 12:24:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA31371 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:24:09 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 18236]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1909-27776>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:36:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972234-253>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 06:31:09 -0400 Received: from ping.demon.co.uk ([158.152.166.128] EHLO bluetac.blob.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1107]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971937-253>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 06:30:53 -0400 Received: from benji.blob.uk (benji.blob.uk [192.168.1.21]) by bluetac.blob.uk (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01200 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:53:54 +0100 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by benji.blob.uk with SMTP; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:53:50 GMT Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:48:40 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <25c9b1c147%joseph@benji.ping.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <66d77cc147%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <66d77cc147%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Ian Hinder wrote: > [big snip] > > I created the /etc/boot.conf file in emacs, but when I tried to save > it I was told that the filing system was read-only. Try something like mount -n -o remount,rw / -n => don't update fstab (can't, cos the partition is ro atm) -o => options, which are remount(because it's already mounted, and rw (read-write). and the / is the filesystem you want to remount. > Any ideas? It sounds like a file that should have been copied (fstab) > wasn't. I'm guessing that it means filing system table, so perhaps it > contains info about the r/w status of the filing systems?? If so, > this could explain the problems. > > Is there some way I can get this file installed, or can I generate it > myself? I'm not sure why it wasn't generated by the installer - it was created okay when I installed, although that was with an earlier version. see man 5 fstab for the fileformat, but basically there should be a line something like: /dev/hda3 / ext2 defaults 1 2 (partition where type options something to do with fsck) With the partition changed as appropriate. Cheers, Joseph -- Joseph Heenan, Coventry, UK From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 14:40:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA32362 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:40:53 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 21030]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <370-12824>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:20:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972068-253>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:18:21 -0400 Received: from relay-13.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49404]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971774-253>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:18:04 -0400 Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0919798; 30 Aug 97 14:07 BST Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:03:36 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25c9b1c147%joseph@benji.ping.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <25c9b1c147%joseph@benji.ping.demon.co.uk> Joseph Heenan wrote: > In message <66d77cc147%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> > Ian Hinder wrote: > > > [big snip] > > > > I created the /etc/boot.conf file in emacs, but when I tried to save > > it I was told that the filing system was read-only. > > Try something like mount -n -o remount,rw / > -n => don't update fstab (can't, cos the partition is ro atm) > -o => options, which are remount(because it's already mounted, > and rw (read-write). > > and the / is the filesystem you want to remount. mount -n -o remount,rw / gives the error mount: can't find / in /etc/mtab or /etc/fstab :-( > > Any ideas? It sounds like a file that should have been copied > > (fstab) wasn't. I'm guessing that it means filing system table, > > so perhaps it contains info about the r/w status of the filing > > systems?? If so, this could explain the problems. > > > > Is there some way I can get this file installed, or can I generate > > it myself? > > I'm not sure why it wasn't generated by the installer - it was > created okay when I installed, although that was with an earlier > version. > > see man 5 fstab for the fileformat, but basically there should be a > line something like: > > /dev/hda3 / ext2 defaults 1 2 > (partition where type options something to > do with fsck) > With the partition changed as appropriate. Unfortunately I can't add this file because the system is read-only, and I can't mount it as r/w because this file isn't present! GRRRRR! I suppose what I need is either an installer which *does* write the correct file, or a way of mounting the disc that does not need either of these files to be present. -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 15:45:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00298 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:45:29 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 8769]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <489-24488>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:20:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972041-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:19:25 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] HELO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 42818]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971982-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:19:10 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:19:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:19:51 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Ian Hinder cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <66d77cc147%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > It then prompted me to either log in as root to correct the problem, > or ctrl-D to reboot Risc OS. Being in an adventurous mood, I logged > in as root, but I couldn't do much because the hard disc seemed to > be in a permanently write-protected state. I tried Oops! Forgot about that when I described how I'd booten Linux for the first time. You need to run fsck to check the disks, but you can't because you have no /etc/fstab file and you can't write it cos / has been mounted read only. The solution is to remount / as readwrite and to write a fstab by hand, then you can run fsck.... To remount / use mount -n -o remount,rw /dev/hda3 / then create /etc/fstab Here's mine... /dev/hda4 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda3 / ext2 defaults 1 1 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 Once you have created this, you can reboot the machine, and the rest should happen on its own! Good luck! Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 15:51:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00305 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:51:26 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 63042]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16-12824>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:26:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972076-253>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:25:15 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] HELO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 42943]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972068-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:25:00 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:25:17 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:25:10 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Ian Hinder cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > and the / is the filesystem you want to remount. > > mount -n -o remount,rw / > > gives the error > > mount: can't find / in /etc/mtab or /etc/fstab Yes, you need mount -n -o remount,rw /dev/hda3 / as mount looks in /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab for what device corresponts to / if you don't explicitly tell it. You may have a different device (i.e. not /dev/hda3) for root, but /dev/hda3 is the most common (Partition 3 on first IDE HD). Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 17:02:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00895 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:02:03 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 26730]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12602-24488>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:26:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972251-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:20:55 -0400 Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk ([137.205.192.14] EHLO lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 40217]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972274-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:20:09 -0400 Message-Id: <24750.199708301514@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA24750; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:14:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: from Ian Hinder at "Aug 30, 97 02:03:36 pm" To: ian@advunit.demon.co.uk (Ian Hinder) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:14:46 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ian Hinder wrote: > > mount -n -o remount,rw / > > gives the error > > mount: can't find / in /etc/mtab or /etc/fstab Okay, try the full form: mount -n -o remount,rw /dev/hda3 / or whatever your root device is. (cat /proc/mounts to find out if you don't know) I wonder if there's a good reason mount doesn't look in /proc... Joseph -- Joseph Heenan, Computer Systems Engineering Student, Warwick Uni email - esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk jogu@odie.barnet.ac.uk www - http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~esuvf/ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 18:03:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01426 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:03:56 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 26660]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12639-27776>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:32:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972251-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:31:11 -0400 Received: from punt-2b.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.6] HELO punt-2.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 37824]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972043-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:30:56 -0400 Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0510210; 30 Aug 97 16:31 BST Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:25:23 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message Ale Terlevich wrote: > To remount / use > > mount -n -o remount,rw /dev/hda3 / > > then create /etc/fstab > > Here's mine... > > /dev/hda4 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/hda3 / ext2 defaults 1 1 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > > Once you have created this, you can reboot the machine, and the rest > should happen on its own! Great! I remounted the disc and created the /etc/fstab file, and the next time I booted it ran fsck etc and got all the way to the login prompt! (It didn't ask me for a password for the root account though, which is slightly disconcerting) I successfully copied the kernel to /vmlinux as the disc is now writable. I also created the /etc/boot.conf file and saved it, but when I tried to do loadmap -v It said parse error Root device: /dev/root open root device: No such file or directory I'm probably being ignorant here; the original article said to do loadmap -v - were other arguments implied? -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 23:19:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03759 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:19:05 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36406]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12319-12824>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:52:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972096-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:51:00 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4705]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972089-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:50:28 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:50:49 +0100 Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Aug 97 22:52:40 BST Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Aug 97 22:52:35 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22947 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:39:29 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00377 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:39:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199708302039.VAA00377@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:39:43 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <24750.199708301514@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "joseph-l@ping.demon.co.uk" at Aug 30, 97 04:14:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO joseph-l@ping.demon.co.uk writes: > or whatever your root device is. (cat /proc/mounts to find out if you > don't know) > > I wonder if there's a good reason mount doesn't look in /proc... Not quite. /proc/mounts reports: /dev/root / ext2 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 raistlin:(pid202) /home nfs rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=8,retrans=110,acregmin=0,acregmax=0,acdirmin =0,acdirmax=0,intr,noac,addr=pid202@raistlin:/home 0 0 tanis:/var/spool/mail /a/tanis/var/spool/mail nfs rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,addr=tanis 0 0 tanis:/a/tanis/home/tanis /a/tanis/a/tanis/home/tanis nfs rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,addr=tanis 0 0 /dev/root??? Hmmm. You probably don't have a link for that, and it's not actually a good idea to use symbolic links or hard links for mounting filesystems. The other reason is that /etc/mtab is actually locked while mounting/ unmounting filesystems, and is written to (hence the need for -n when root fs is readonly). It's all part of ensuring that two mount commands (eg, an automounter and a mount) cannot do two things at once. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 23:19:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03761 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:19:06 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36406]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1559-12824>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:54:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971976-253>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:51:36 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4703]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972043-253>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:50:27 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:50:47 +0100 Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Aug 97 22:52:49 BST Received: from by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Aug 97 22:52:44 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22966; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:46:01 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00400; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:46:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199708302046.VAA00400@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! To: ian@advunit.demon.co.uk (Ian Hinder) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:46:12 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Ian Hinder" at Aug 30, 97 04:25:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ian Hinder writes: > loadmap -v > > It said > > parse error > Root device: /dev/root > open root device: No such file or directory > > I'm probably being ignorant here; the original article said to do > > loadmap -v > > - were other arguments implied? No other arguments required at all. The `parse error' indicates that loadmap was not able to parse your configuration (/etc/boot.conf) file. Check that it is similar to the others suggested on the mailing list and the example on the FAQ web page. The second problem is: with that version of loadmap, you'll probably get a SEGV if you try to specify a config {} section. The solution is to omit the config {} section, and create a symbolic link from /dev/root to your root device, eg: cd /dev ln -s hda3 root Replacing hda3 with your root filesystem device. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Aug 30 23:42:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03938 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:42:33 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 36406]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12874-12824>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:54:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972043-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:52:44 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4819]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972089-257>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:52:13 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:52:43 +0100 Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Aug 97 22:52:44 BST Received: from by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Aug 97 22:52:40 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22935 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:34:33 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00359 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:34:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199708302034.VAA00359@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:34:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <25c9b1c147%joseph@benji.ping.demon.co.uk> from "Joseph Heenan" at Aug 30, 97 10:48:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Joseph Heenan writes: > I'm not sure why it wasn't generated by the installer - it was > created okay when I installed, although that was with an earlier > version. It was created by the installer, but you reset *before* the filesystems had flushed out the changes to the disk. Unix systems use write-behind caching on the drives as well as read-ahead caching. It is unfortunate that the RedHat installer looks good, but is in actual fact rather #$!@ when it comes to error handling (eg, if the installer itself exits for any reason then the RedHat `init' program decides to reboot your machine *without* checking for mounted filesystems. Hence the tacky 'Reboot' message that some people have seen, since this action is currently extremely silly!) The solution is *before* rebooting (as it says on the FAQ) to type /mnt/bin/sync on console 2 (Alt-F2). This will tell Linux to flush out all dirty cached data to the disk, and make it `less' dangerous to reboot. And yes, I know, you reboot and then look at the FAQ, and I know the RH installer is broken severely. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 31 12:47:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08802 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:47:50 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 60490]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15922-12824>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:16:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972279-257>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 07:14:06 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] HELO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 36431]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971738-253>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 07:10:15 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:11:12 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:11:05 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Ian Hinder cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Great! I remounted the disc and created the /etc/fstab file, and the > next time I booted it ran fsck etc and got all the way to the login > prompt! > > (It didn't ask me for a password for the root account though, which is > slightly disconcerting) Excellent. Just change the root password. > > I successfully copied the kernel to /vmlinux as the disc is now > writable. I also created the /etc/boot.conf file and saved it, but > when I tried to do > > loadmap -v > > It said > > parse error > Root device: /dev/root > open root device: No such file or directory Ok. Yet another step I missed out from the original post! You need to link /dev/root to your root partition device i.e. cd /dev ln -s hda3 root This should now work. P.s. here's my /etc/boot.conf # Linux 2.0.30 block with no ramdisk. kernel { name = "Linux 2.0.30"; path = "/vmlinux"; root = "/dev/hda3"; ramdisk = 0; flags = readonly; }; From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 31 13:47:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09192 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 13:47:02 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 3425]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16109-24488>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:26:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972116-257>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:24:33 -0400 Received: from relay-13.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137] HELO punt-1.mail.demon.net ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 45747]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971738-257>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:24:02 -0400 Received: from advunit.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0914004; 31 Aug 97 12:07 BST Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:06:05 +0100 From: Ian Hinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <67b53cc247%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199708302046.VAA00400@raistlin.armlinux.org> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <199708302046.VAA00400@raistlin.armlinux.org> Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Ian Hinder writes: > > > loadmap -v > > > > - were other arguments implied? > > No other arguments required at all. The `parse error' indicates that > loadmap was not able to parse your configuration (/etc/boot.conf) file. > Check that it is similar to the others suggested on the mailing list and > the example on the FAQ web page. > > The second problem is: with that version of loadmap, you'll probably get > a SEGV if you try to specify a config {} section. The solution is to > omit the config {} section, and create a symbolic link from /dev/root to > your root device, eg: > > cd /dev > ln -s hda3 root > > Replacing hda3 with your root filesystem device. This works! Now, where's the best place to go to learn about using linux? -- I a n H i n d e r ian@advunit.demon.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 31 14:38:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09456 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:38:02 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 33392]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15852-24488>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:06:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972129-253>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 09:05:15 -0400 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk ([129.234.4.9] HELO hermes.dur.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 38385]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972139-253>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 09:04:59 -0400 Received: from dust0 by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:05:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:05:33 +0100 (BST) From: Ale Terlevich To: Ian Hinder cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Success!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <67b53cc247%ian@advunit.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > This works! Now, where's the best place to go to learn about using > linux? Dunno really, It's one of those things I never really learnt, just picked it up! You could do worse than browsing through the linux documentation project though... http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/linux.html Probably some redhat specific sufff would be more useful though, as redhat (What we use) is in many ways quite different from other Linux distributions like Slackware. Ale. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 31 21:04:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12894 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:04:28 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 1821]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <202-24658>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:37:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972146-253>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:35:38 -0400 Received: from [151.196.69.100] ([151.196.69.100] EHLO www-dc-09.digiserve.com ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52646]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972115-257>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:34:41 -0400 Received: from pingu.itl.net (p030.jsy.itl.net [194.145.15.30]) by www-dc-09.digiserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA24675 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970831192808.0067a608@digiserve.com> X-Sender: garan@digiserve.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 20:28:08 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Garan Subject: second hard disc. X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi The plan to go scsi has failed due to lack of cash. However, can I plug another IDE hard disc onot my RiscPC? I have one small one already and a CD rom drive. How many devices can it take? Also, I'd have no room in my single slice to put it! Thanks Garan -- garan @ digiserve . com garanj @ etoncomp . demon . co . uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 1 23:15:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23562 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:15:22 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2] EHLO vger.rutgers.edu ident: root [port 9996]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15355-17172>; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:30:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972160-12608>; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:27:52 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50] EHLO sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 4075]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972144-12608>; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:27:19 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:28:40 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Sep 97 22:30:51 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27808; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:03:48 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00846; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:04:30 +0100 Message-Id: <199708312104.WAA00846@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: second hard disc. To: garan@digiserve.com (Garan) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:04:28 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970831192808.0067a608@digiserve.com> from "Garan" at Aug 31, 97 08:28:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Garan writes: > The plan to go scsi has failed due to lack of cash. However, can I plug > another IDE hard disc onot my RiscPC? I have one small one already and a CD > rom drive. How many devices can it take? Also, I'd have no room in my > single slice to put it! The maximum number of IDE `devices' you can have on an interface is 2. If your CD ROM drive is on the same cable that your IDE hard disk is, then you'll have to make a choice between a second IDE disk and a CD ROM drive. The alternative is to get another IDE interface (ICS/RapIDE currently `in support' under Linux - ie. attempt to write driver, but not yet complete/ tested). For the the ICS IDE interface, I have an official fax detailing the tech info on the I/F and the partitioning scheme. Take your pick if you want a second interface, but if you want to use the interface under Linux, be prepared to either: a) be able to report problems with the interface with sufficient detail. b) sort any problems out yourself. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ |