From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jun 1 01:04:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA10586 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:03:59 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 2677 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15842-32146>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 03:03:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971748-343>; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:01:15 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971718-346>; Sat, 31 May 1997 20:01:00 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wXy61-0006bO-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:02:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:02:05 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: binutils 2.8.1.0.3 for linux is released. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi guys. Please check it out. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "H.J. Lu" To: Philip Blundell Cc: Kenneth Albanowski , Kenneth Osterberg , ian@lasermoon.co.uk, Mat Hostetter , Andy Dougherty , Brian Bourgault , "John W. Christy" , Craig Groeschel , Warner Losh , Rob Farnum , Michael Meissner , Ron Guilmette , Thomas Roell , Craig Burley , John Polstra , Simon Shapiro , Galen Hazelwood , David Engel , linuxgcc , GNU C Library Subject: binutils 2.8.1.0.3 for linux is released. This is the beta release of binutils 2.8.1.0.3 for Linux, which is based on the binutils 970531 snapshot plus Linux/ARM support. You also need libc 5.4.25 to use the precompiled binaries for libc 5 or glibc 2.0.4 or above to use the precompiled binaries for glibc 2. The Linux/ARM support is added in. Please test it as much as possible. Please report any bugs related to binutils 2.8.1.0.3 to hjl@gnu.ai.mit.edu. Changes from binutils 2.8.1.0.1: 1. Update from the binutils gas-970531. 2. Add Linux/ARM support. 3. Some Linux/Alpha change. Please do remember to remove /usr/bin/encaps first. Please also remove /usr/bin/nm first, which may be a symbolic link in some Linux distributions. The file list: 1. binutils-2.8.1.0.3.tar.gz. Source code. 2. binutils-2.8.1.0.1-2.8.1.0.3.diff.gz. Patch against the previous beta source code. 3. binutils-2.8.1.0.3.bin.tar.gz. Precompiled Linux/x86 binaries for libc 5. 4. binutils-2.8.1.0.3-glibc.bin.tar.gz. Precompiled Linux/x86 binaries for libc 6 (glibc 2.0.2 or above). The primary ftp sites for the compiler/C library are tsx-11.mit.edu under pub/linux/packages/GCC and sunsite.unc.edu under pub/Linux/GCC. The beta directory is in private/tofu under the GCC directory. Most of my stuff can also be found at ftp://ftp.yggdrasil.com/private/hjl To install this package, please follow the procedure very closely. Please backup/save all the files you are instructed to delete and you should do gzip -dc binutils-2.8.1.0.3.bin.tar.gz | tar tvvf - or gzip -dc binutils-2.8.1.0.3-glibc.bin.tar.gz | tar tvvf - to see what is in there. Please do back up before you remove things. To install for libc 5, PLEASE DO 1. su root 2. cd / 3. rm -f /usr/bin/encaps /usr/bin/nm 4. gzip -dc binutils-2.8.1.0.3.bin.tar.gz | tar xvvf - To install for libc 6 (glibc 2.0.2 or above), PLEASE DO 1. su root 2. cd / 3. rm -f /usr/bin/encaps /usr/bin/nm 4. gzip -dc binutils-2.8.1.0.3-glibc.bin.tar.gz | tar xvvf - Now you have the new gas/binutils under /usr/bin and /usr/ix86-linuxaout/bin. You have to use /usr/ix86-linuxaout/bin/as and /usr/ix86-linuxaout/bin/ld -m i386linux if you want to use a.out as and ld directly. I have changed the target names for Linux/x86 and Linux/x86 (a.out) to ix86-linux and ix86-linuxaout respectively. The precompiled binaries are installed under /usr/ix86-linux and /usr/ix86-linuxaout. You should make appropriate symbolic links if you have a different name for the Linux/x86 target, like i586-unknown-linux. If you have an old linux library in the a.out format and you cannot obtain the newer version in the ELF format for whatever reason, you can try "objcopy --remove-leading-char" on the a.out library and see if it can link with your code in ELF. For Sybase client libraries, I did # cd sybase/lib # for f in *.a do objcopy --remove-leading-char $f done It seems to compile/link fine with libc 5.4.2x. But I don't know if it really works or not. The resulting binaries should work if the libc ABI used by the old library is unchanged in the new libc. According to Bruce Milner : Just a quick note about your example using objcopy for sybase. The sybase a.out libraries "are" dependent on a changed feature of the libc ABI. The ctype macros changed to a byte order independent format (little endian). In order to use the sybase libraries, one needs to rename the the ctype table variables in the sybase library files and link in an old version of the libc's "C-ctype.o ctype-info.o" files. thain@sunquest.sunquest.com put a ELF'ized version of these libraries on ftp://mudshark.sunquest.com/pub/ctlib-linux-elf Thanks. H.J. Lu hjl@gnu.ai.mit.edu 05/31/97 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 2 09:33:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA17092 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:33:54 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 65311 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2733-11467>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:33:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972190-32357>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 04:31:04 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972148-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 04:30:32 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id JAA17080; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:32:01 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199706020832.JAA17080@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: dropped sub.... To: rhdt@star.ucl.ac.uk (Richard Townsend) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:32:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Richard Townsend" at May 30, 97 03:54:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > > vger appears to persistently drop my subscription - anyone else had this > problem? Incidentaly, has there been any "hot" news in the last week > which I may have missed due to a dropped sub? Bizarre, nothing I post to rutgers seems to get through.. From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 10:57:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA17373 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:57:00 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wYTrI-0000cB-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:57:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:57:00 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: dropped sub.... In-Reply-To: <199706020832.JAA17080@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Bizarre, nothing I post to rutgers seems to get through.. This one did. From auj@aber.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 14:09:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk (patman@mailsun.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.7]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA18045 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:09:35 +0100 Received: from osfa.aber.ac.uk by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:09:37 +0100 Received: by osfa.aber.ac.uk (5.65v3.2/aberclient-4.0) id AA31998; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:09:36 +0100 Message-Id: <9706021309.AA31998@osfa.aber.ac.uk> From: auj@aber.ac.uk (Alun "Da Penguin" Jones) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:09:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: Matthew Wilcox (Jun 2, 9:32am) Organisation: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: dropped sub.... Status: RO Matthew Wilcox doodled: > > > vger appears to persistently drop my subscription - anyone else had this > > problem? Incidentaly, has there been any "hot" news in the last week > > which I may have missed due to a dropped sub? > > Bizarre, nothing I post to rutgers seems to get through.. > Ermmm.... ;-) Cheers, Alun. -- /P{def}def/E{curveto}P/N{moveto}P/G{lineto}P/U{setgray}P/I{fill}P/n{stroke}P (2V<;;F>H Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA19403 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:55:37 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 43117 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2505-11467>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:52:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972343-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:49:20 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971376-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:38:50 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id UAA19315 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:38:45 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199706021938.UAA19315@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: resend. To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:38:44 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Forwarded message: > From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun May 25 16:52:01 1997 > From: Matthew Wilcox > Message-Id: <199705251547.QAA05297@odie.barnet.ac.uk> > Subject: 2.0.30 > To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu > Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:47:29 +0100 (BST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu > Precedence: bulk > > On Friday, I decided the time had come to actually start running Linux/ARM > myself. So I downloaded pretty much everything in sight from the ftp > site.. problems: > > The patch against gcc 2.7.2.2 doesn't apply cleanly - some of the patching > appears to have already been done. This *was* against a clean untar of > 2.7.2.2 that had been patched from 2.7.2.1. And the t-linux fragment > needs to have CROSS_LIBGCC defined, not LIBGCC. or something similar. > Knew I should have written everything down. It's easy to deduce what went > wrong by comparing it against t-semi. [snipped binutils - strange how so much changes in a week...] > And the a5k kernel provided doesn't work. The bootloader complains about > bad magic (EA000006) and refuses to boot it. The first word in the kernel > is indeed a branch instruction. I tried executing it under RISC OS, but > it addressexceptioned and a few minutes later my machine hang. Not > terribly surprised, but I thought I'd try it. > > BTW, does this kernel support netbooting? The only supported device I > have is an Acorn Ether3, linked to a 486 Linux box running 2.0.30, so I > was hoping to NFS mount my root partition. Yes, I'm on an A440 so no > device drivers are available, or are they? > From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 2 20:55:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA19407 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:55:50 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 43117 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2999-30324>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:53:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972473-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:50:21 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972449-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:47:57 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id UAA19324 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:39:24 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199706021939.UAA19324@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: mailing list archive (fwd) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:39:23 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Forwarded message: >From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun May 25 18:56:55 1997 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199705251750.SAA05741@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: mailing list archive To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 18:50:11 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk I'm going to make my copy of the mailing list archive available as ftp.barnet.ac.uk:/pub/Acorn/armlinux It's nothing fancy, just available. And it's only what I decided worth keeping. And its only since I subscribed. Please, someone do something better than this. Oh, and Jogu, this spamming appears to be a new technique - Stewart Brodie possibly got hit the other day. I'm contemplating a comp.risks posting. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 2 21:01:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA19429 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:01:51 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 5749 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2498-31530>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:58:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972442-32357>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:55:51 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972496-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:48:24 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id UAA19331 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:39:57 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199706021939.UAA19331@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: old machines (fwd) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:39:57 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Forwarded message: >From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon May 26 11:29:01 1997 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199705260952.KAA08992@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: old machines To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:52:43 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk I found the 2.0.30 patch set last night (I was looking in the wrong place. mea culpa) and installed it into a copy of the standard tree. Patch went fine except that it tries to patch a file called something like kernel.syms, which doesn't exist. So I skipped it. Is it supposed to be able to compile for non-RPC machines? Just wondering, since the very first file compiled fails with an error. Also, no distinction is made between ARM2 & ARM3, despite the fact that ARM3 can SWP and ARM2 cannot. Likewise, the config.in does not query for machine type and assumes RPC. I added the ability to query, and autoset the CPU type based on machine type, but I'm not sure of the value of submitting this patch back if 2.0.30 isn't designed to compile on these machines. Don't take this personally, Russell, I do appreciate the work you've put into Linux, but if I don't report the problems that I find, they might never get fixed. From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 22:22:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id WAA19681 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:22:38 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wYeYx-0004Gc-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:22:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:22:47 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: resend. In-Reply-To: <199706021938.UAA19315@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > The patch against gcc 2.7.2.2 doesn't apply cleanly - some of the patching > > appears to have already been done. This *was* against a clean untar of That's because it's against 2.7.2, not 2.7.2.2. You should be able to ignore the hunks that have already been applied. I have patches against the latest gcc snapshot as well that you can have if they're any use, but I imagine they won't be. p. From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 22:24:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id WAA19689 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:24:52 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wYeb4-0004KA-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:24:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:24:58 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: mailing list archive (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199706021939.UAA19324@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > It's nothing fancy, just available. And it's only what I decided worth > keeping. And its only since I subscribed. Please, someone do something > better than this. I'll try and start an archive here since nobody else seems to have volunteered. Stay tuned. p. From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 22:26:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id WAA19702 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:26:51 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wYed1-0004No-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:26:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:26:59 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: old machines (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199706021939.UAA19331@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > fine except that it tries to patch a file called something like > kernel.syms, which doesn't exist. So I skipped it. You can ignore that - Russ goofed when he made the patch. kernel.syms is generated during the build. > Is it supposed to be able to compile for non-RPC machines? Just Yes. > wondering, since the very first file compiled fails with an error. Also, > no distinction is made between ARM2 & ARM3, despite the fact that ARM3 can What's the error? I don't think ARM2 is supposed at the moment, though I imagine it wouldn't be hard. Does any of the assembler actually use SWP? > SWP and ARM2 cannot. Likewise, the config.in does not query for machine > type and assumes RPC. I added the ability to query, and autoset the CPU I think the idea was that you configure this by editing the makefile. Having it in config.in is better though. > type based on machine type, but I'm not sure of the value of submitting > this patch back if 2.0.30 isn't designed to compile on these machines. Please do send the patch. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 2 22:46:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA19793 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:46:28 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 45841 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2949-17469>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:45:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971240-32357>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:42:20 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972485-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:33:18 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wYeb4-0004KA-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:24:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:24:58 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: mailing list archive (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199706021939.UAA19324@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > It's nothing fancy, just available. And it's only what I decided worth > keeping. And its only since I subscribed. Please, someone do something > better than this. I'll try and start an archive here since nobody else seems to have volunteered. Stay tuned. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 2 22:50:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA19813 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:50:58 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32536 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2444-9705>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:49:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972534-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:46:18 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <977944-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:35:13 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wYed1-0004No-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:26:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:26:59 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: old machines (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199706021939.UAA19331@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > fine except that it tries to patch a file called something like > kernel.syms, which doesn't exist. So I skipped it. You can ignore that - Russ goofed when he made the patch. kernel.syms is generated during the build. > Is it supposed to be able to compile for non-RPC machines? Just Yes. > wondering, since the very first file compiled fails with an error. Also, > no distinction is made between ARM2 & ARM3, despite the fact that ARM3 can What's the error? I don't think ARM2 is supposed at the moment, though I imagine it wouldn't be hard. Does any of the assembler actually use SWP? > SWP and ARM2 cannot. Likewise, the config.in does not query for machine > type and assumes RPC. I added the ability to query, and autoset the CPU I think the idea was that you configure this by editing the makefile. Having it in config.in is better though. > type based on machine type, but I'm not sure of the value of submitting > this patch back if 2.0.30 isn't designed to compile on these machines. Please do send the patch. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 2 23:03:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA19856 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:03:10 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 9515 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3007-9705>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 01:01:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972355-32357>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:58:32 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <977934-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:45:13 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wYeYx-0004Gc-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:22:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:22:47 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: resend. In-Reply-To: <199706021938.UAA19315@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > The patch against gcc 2.7.2.2 doesn't apply cleanly - some of the patching > > appears to have already been done. This *was* against a clean untar of That's because it's against 2.7.2, not 2.7.2.2. You should be able to ignore the hunks that have already been applied. I have patches against the latest gcc snapshot as well that you can have if they're any use, but I imagine they won't be. p. From rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 00:02:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (relay.soton.ac.uk [152.78.170.4]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA20071 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:02:56 +0100 From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id AAA11807 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:03:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Jun 97 00:02:22 BST Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:54:31 GMT Message-Id: <122.199706022254@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: resend. To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:54:25 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199706021938.UAA19315@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Jun 2, 97 08:38:44 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > And the a5k kernel provided doesn't work. The bootloader complains about > bad magic (EA000006) and refuses to boot it. The first word in the kernel > is indeed a branch instruction. I tried executing it under RISC OS, but > it addressexceptioned and a few minutes later my machine hang. Not > terribly surprised, but I thought I'd try it. The kernel is not a root partition!!! You should give the loader: !Linux -bootkernel Kernel The instructions are on the FTP site in /pub/armlinux/distrib/riscos/INSTALL. > BTW, does this kernel support netbooting? The only supported device I > have is an Acorn Ether3, linked to a 486 Linux box running 2.0.30, so I > was hoping to NFS mount my root partition. Yes, I'm on an A440 so no > device drivers are available, or are they? It should be. When the boot loader prompts for extra arguments, enter: root=/dev/nfs and the kernel should then try root-nfs. The Ether3 card does have drivers, but you'll have to make sure that you're using the 16-bit podule... For more information, please see my web pages! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 3 00:07:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA20088 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:07:59 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 41769 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15730-8637>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 02:06:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973353-32357>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:03:45 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973526-32357>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:02:06 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:03:13 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Jun 97 00:02:27 BST Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:49:27 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <115.199706022249@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: old machines (fwd) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:49:19 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jun 2, 97 10:26:59 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > > wondering, since the very first file compiled fails with an error. Also, > > no distinction is made between ARM2 & ARM3, despite the fact that ARM3 can > > What's the error? I don't think ARM2 is supposed at the moment, though I > imagine it wouldn't be hard. Does any of the assembler actually use SWP? I take it that you did a make config first? The Linux kernel does support ARM2! It is grouped in with ARM3, but the kernel *always* autodetects the CPU type and selects the right-way-to-do-it. Eg. on the ARM3, it will use the SWP instruction, but on the ARM2 it will use a protected LDR/STR. This allows the number of kernels available (and the problems involved with generating/maintaining them) to be reduced, making everybodies lives easier. The same method is used on the ARM6/7/StrongARM kernel. > > SWP and ARM2 cannot. Likewise, the config.in does not query for machine > > type and assumes RPC. I added the ability to query, and autoset the CPU > > I think the idea was that you configure this by editing the makefile. > Having it in config.in is better though. It *absolutely* cannot be in config.in - too many things in the makefiles and config files depend on the machine type to be set *before* make config is run, eg. setting up the right sub-architecture directories etc. > > > type based on machine type, but I'm not sure of the value of submitting > > this patch back if 2.0.30 isn't designed to compile on these machines. > > Please do send the patch. I'll have a look at it... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 3 00:14:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA20110 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:14:46 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 45366 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16151-4773>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 02:11:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971645-32357>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:09:08 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971240-32357>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:08:28 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wYgEw-000076-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:10:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:10:14 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: old machines (fwd) In-Reply-To: <115.199706022249@tanis.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jun 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > It *absolutely* cannot be in config.in - too many things in the makefiles > and config files depend on the machine type to be set *before* make config > is run, eg. setting up the right sub-architecture directories etc. I guess there may be some truth in this. BTW, Russell, have you done that disclaimer for the FSF yet? p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 3 02:10:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA20500 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 02:10:35 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 44880 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15838-17469>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 04:09:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971700-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:07:13 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971290-32359>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:06:57 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id CAA20482; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 02:08:26 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199706030108.CAA20482@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: resend.linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 02:08:25 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jun 2, 97 10:22:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > > > The patch against gcc 2.7.2.2 doesn't apply cleanly - some of the patching > > > appears to have already been done. This *was* against a clean untar of > > That's because it's against 2.7.2, not 2.7.2.2. You should be able to > ignore the hunks that have already been applied. I have patches against > the latest gcc snapshot as well that you can have if they're any use, but > I imagine they won't be. I don't run the GCC snapshots, thanks. But the patch says it's against 2.7.2.2 (there is a 2.7.2 snapshot there as well). How is the ARM integration into GCC going? Is PIC working yet? Any progress on ELF support? From dg@cogency.co.uk Tue Jun 3 09:32:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.33]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id JAA21848 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:32:34 +0100 Received: from man05 ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA03286; Tue, 3 Jun 97 09:35:12 GMT Sender: dg@cogency.co.uk Message-Id: <3393E4FF.7C66@cogency.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:33:51 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: old machines References: <199706030108.CAA20482@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hi, I've got 2.0.30 running on my A440/1 - at the moment its netbooting off my PC (via an Acorn Ether1) and using an MFM hard drive as swap. I can run stuff OK; although at the moment due to an old set of libc's and other files I have I can't actually load the FPE making it impossible to run bash interactivly. The kernel was cross compiled using my PC. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert (dg@cogency.co.uk) - 0161-428-9444 - - WARNING! This is an alpha release .signature - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 10:35:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA22040 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:35:40 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wYq0R-0007Z1-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:35:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:35:55 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: resend.linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199706030108.CAA20482@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > I don't run the GCC snapshots, thanks. But the patch says it's against > 2.7.2.2 (there is a 2.7.2 snapshot there as well). Ah. How bizarre. > How is the ARM integration into GCC going? Is PIC working yet? Any > progress on ELF support? The Linux stuff is being held up because Russell hasn't signed an assignment for the FSF yet. No news on PIC or ELF. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 3 11:09:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA22146 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:09:13 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 37222 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2123-4773>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:08:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971369-32359>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:04:54 -0400 Received: from jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE ([134.95.64.5]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971242-32357>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 05:57:56 -0400 Received: by jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA11382 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:28 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199706030941.AA11382@jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: Oliver Flimm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Linux on old AND non-standard machines X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I just got the arm-crosscompiler-binaries for i386 and the appropriate arm-kerneltree (2.0.29 as far as I remember). Compiling for ARM3 went without a flaw, but I can't get this kernel to boot. I guess the problem originates in my non-standard Archimedes: A310 IFEL 4MB RAM Upgrade RiscOS3.1 ACORN SCSI-Card with a 170MB SCSI-HD ARM3, MEMC1a 820KB Floppy VIDC-Enhancer FPU As far as I remember, I read somewhere that it isn't possible to get such a non-standard machine to work - or am I wrong? I really would like to have my first non-intel Linux system ;-) Regards, Oliver +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Oliver Flimm, Cologne, Germany Email: flimm@ph-cip.uni-koeln.de ! ! CipLab, Institutes of Physics WWW : http://www.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de/~flimm! ! ! ! The ultimate tragedy in science is the ruining of a beautiful hypothesis ! ! by an ugly fact. (A. Huxley) ! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alan@snowcrash.cymru.net Tue Jun 3 11:10:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (root@snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA22158 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:10:09 +0100 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id LAA04738; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:08:49 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706031008.LAA04738@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: resend.linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:08:45 +0100 (BST) Cc: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jun 3, 97 10:35:55 am Content-Type: text Status: RO > > How is the ARM integration into GCC going? Is PIC working yet? Any > > progress on ELF support? > > The Linux stuff is being held up because Russell hasn't signed an > assignment for the FSF yet. No news on PIC or ELF. I would personally advise Russell not to bother. Just merge with HJ Lu and stuff the FSF - it'll take them about 3-6 months to merge anything after they've finished farting with the paperwork. They don't even stick to their supposed religious rule anyway. With the linux stuff I did thats also in Hurd they have no paperwork ;) Alan From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 11:16:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA22177 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:16:10 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wYqc0-0000ra-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:14:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:14:44 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Alan Cox cc: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: resend.linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199706031008.LAA04738@snowcrash.cymru.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Alan Cox wrote: > They don't even stick to their supposed religious rule anyway. With the > linux stuff I did thats also in Hurd they have no paperwork ;) They do seem a bit selective about when they apply it. There's a fair amount of my code in glibc and they don't have any explicit paperwork for that either (until a few weeks ago they didn't have _any_ paperwork from me). Oh well. I think merging gcc with the FSF is a worthwhile thing to do, but you're probably right that merging with HJ is a good first step. The binutils stuff is already in HJ's latest release. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 3 12:14:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA22369 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:14:27 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 15935 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2194-9705>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:13:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971242-32359>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:10:17 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970976-32357>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:10:01 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wYrUX-0002ZU-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:11:05 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:11:05 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Oliver Flimm cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on old AND non-standard machines In-Reply-To: <199706030941.AA11382@jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Oliver Flimm wrote: > arm-kerneltree (2.0.29 as far as I remember). Compiling for ARM3 went > without a flaw, but I can't get this kernel to boot. What goes wrong? > I guess the problem originates in my non-standard Archimedes: > > As far as I remember, I read somewhere that it isn't possible to > get such a non-standard machine to work - or am I wrong? Should be fine. There's nothing really weird in there. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 3 15:28:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA23057 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:28:14 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 9009 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2874-9705>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:26:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971431-32357>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:23:58 -0400 Received: from mailhost.cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.33]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971377-32359>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:23:22 -0400 Received: from man05 ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA03732; Tue, 3 Jun 97 15:24:47 GMT Message-Id: <339436ED.6FA@cogency.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 15:23:25 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Oliver Flimm Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on old AND non-standard machines References: <199706030941.AA11382@jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO That machine should work without too much hastle; for example the RAM upgrade will just look like RAM in a 440 as will the MEMC1a, and the ARM3 - well it understands that. The first thing I suggest checking is the value of TEXTADDR in src/linux/arch/arm/Makefile I think it might have been wrongly distributed with the value 0x28800000 - if thats the case it won't boot and won't do anything, flip the first 8 to a 0 and rebuild and you should be OK. If its getting into the kernel at all (screen clearing and printing anything) then tell us where its stopping. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert (dg@cogency.co.uk) - 0161-428-9444 - - WARNING! This is an alpha release .signature - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 3 16:46:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA23473 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:46:26 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 25134 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2248-4773>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:45:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971431-32359>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:42:47 -0400 Received: from jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE ([134.95.64.5]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970976-32359>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:42:12 -0400 Received: by jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA26111 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:05 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199706031544.AA26111@jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: Oliver Flimm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: David Alan Gilbert Cc: Oliver Flimm , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux on old AND non-standard machines In-Reply-To: <339436ED.6FA@cogency.co.uk> References: <199706030941.AA11382@jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE> <339436ED.6FA@cogency.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, David Alan Gilbert writes: > That machine should work without too much hastle; for example the RAM > upgrade will just look like RAM in a 440 as will the MEMC1a, and the > ARM3 - well it understands that. > > The first thing I suggest checking is the value of TEXTADDR in > src/linux/arch/arm/Makefile I think it might have been wrongly > distributed with the value > 0x28800000 - if thats the case it won't boot and won't do anything, > flip the first 8 to a 0 and rebuild and you should be OK. Ohh, it's magic ;-) > If its getting into the kernel at all (screen clearing and > printing anything) then tell us where its stopping. Thanks for that hint. I'll try the whole installation in the next 2 days. Regards, Oliver From owner-bug-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 3 19:31:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu (djb@pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.30]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA24003 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:31:41 +0100 Received: by pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id NAA24500 for bug-hurd-list; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu by pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24494; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (thomas@localhost) by sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id NAA03217; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706031709.NAA03217@sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: thomas@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG) To: rraffer1@VMS1.GMU.EDU CC: bug-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu, help-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: rraffer1@VMS1.GMU.EDU's message of Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:40:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: HURD progress X-Name-Change: My name used to be `Michael'; now it is `Thomas'. X-Windows: Garbage at your fingertips. Status: RO Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:40:35 -0500 (EST) From: rraffer1@VMS1.GMU.EDU Has there been any progress since last September? Since we so rarely hear from the development team, I guess these are the questions I'd pose for inclusion in an updated FAQ: Lots of progress! Our 0.2 release, complete with binaries, is expected Real Soon Now (probably this week). Was an independent floppy installation ever created? If so, where can it be found? No, because it's just not our biggest priority... Is the HURD stable enough now to run a multi-user system reliably? Stability has vastly improved since 0.1. Has any progress been made to improve the Mach 3.0 driver system so that more modern Linux device drivers (circa Linux 2.0 and above) can be included? I don't know; take a look at the gnumach stuff. That's got Goel's work on Linux drivers in Mach. I don't know what was involved in 2.0 linux over 1.x linus. There was a report a few months ago that a gentleman from Japan was busy porting the HURD to a MIPS R4x00-based evaluation board; did this person get in touch with the developers and did they coordinate anything? Yes; after the release I will be merging in his work. Was the GRUB bootloader ever completed? Yes, Grub 0.4 is excellent and will be in 0.2. You can use it now if you want... Thomas From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 3 19:34:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA24012 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:34:01 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 25642 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2739-8637>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:26:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971526-32359>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:23:50 -0400 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971272-32357>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:22:20 -0400 Received: from etoncomp.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.160]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1101017; 3 Jun 97 18:26 BST Received: from [192.168.2.58] by etoncomp.demon.co.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA361 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:13:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 16:15:07 +0100 From: Garan Jenkin MSS Reply-To: garanj@etoncomp.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: old machines (fwd) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Has anyone compiled a kernel suitable for the A4? i.e. no scsi but just like a5k. ethernet support not required either i suppose. anyone? Thanks. P.S. did someone set up an ftp site with the contents of the cd (or later) on? From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 3 20:04:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA24107 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:04:18 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 34652 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2283-8637>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:00:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971637-32357>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:56:57 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974314-32357>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:55:41 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id TAA30828; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:56:17 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706031856.TAA30828@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: old machines (fwd) To: garanj@etoncomp.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:56:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Garan Jenkin MSS" at Jun 3, 97 04:15:07 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > P.S. did someone set up an ftp site with the contents of the cd (or later) on? Most of it is on ftp.uk.linux.org From rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 00:05:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (relay.soton.ac.uk [152.78.170.4]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA24954 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:05:52 +0100 From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id AAA29797 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:06:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Jun 97 00:05:29 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Thu, 1 Jan 1970 00:25:18 GMT Message-Id: <2445.199706032236@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: old machines (fwd) To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:36:04 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199706030006.BAA20281@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Jun 3, 97 01:06:41 am X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > > The Linux kernel does support ARM2! It is grouped in with ARM3, but the > > kernel *always* autodetects the CPU type and selects the right-way-to-do-it. > > Eg. on the ARM3, it will use the SWP instruction, but on the ARM2 it will > > use a protected LDR/STR. > > That's not what the code said to me. It looked suspiciously like the SWP > was there in the ARMV and not in the ARMO. What you say is certainly the > right way to do it, but since it didn't even compile, I don't know this > works. You're confusing the ARMV and ARMO. ARMO is more or less the 'unversioned' ARMs - ARM2, ARM250 and ARM3. The interprocessor parts are in arch/arm/mm/arm2,3.S. ARMV is for ARM6 and above, which always include the SWP instruction. Since the kernel is in a different configuration, these can therefore be inlined. An ARMO kernel will run on ARM2, 250 and ARM3, automatically adjusting for whatever CPU it finds (see arch/arm/kernel/head.S and arch/arm/kernel/setup.c). The same thing happens on ARM6 and up in arch/arm/kernel/head32.S. > > It *absolutely* cannot be in config.in - too many things in the makefiles > > and config files depend on the machine type to be set *before* make config > > is run, eg. setting up the right sub-architecture directories etc. > > Ahh. I wondered why it was all commented out in the config.in. There's > no instructions on actualyl configuring the kernel. Tell me, what should > I edit? The main Makefile or the one in the subdirectory? I've built my > own kernels before, but it's always been a case of following-the-newbie > configuration script. I have no objection to learning, I just don't know > my way around the tree yet. Check the README.arm file, which details exactly what you have to do. Here is the relevent extract: Notes ===== Compilation of kernel --------------------- In order to compile ARM Linux, you will need a compiler capable of generating ARM code with GNU extensions. To build a kernel, you have to configure the top-level makefile, replacing: ARCH = i386 with ARCH = arm Also, if you wish to cross-compile, then change: CROSS_COMPILE= to CROSS_COMPILE= eg. CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/arm/tools/arm-unknown-linuxaout- Then examine arch/arm/Makefile for sub-architecture options (including processor and machine type), setting them as required, eg: PROCESSOR=armv MACHINE=rpc Do a 'make config', followed by 'make dep', and finally 'make all' to build the kernel (vmlinux). A compressed image can be built by doing a 'make zImage' instead of 'make all'. > There's an awful lot of documentation lying around, labelled HELP, README, > INSTALL, etc, some of which is somewhat out of date. Some of it is > ambiguous and other bits contradict each other. To be fair, it is all > labelled as experimental and current and so on. But I think it needs some > work. It might be better to have the bootloader source code availble > generally, since I would have seen the --kernel= option. Probably. The INSTALL file on the FTP site is not out of date. In fact, it's probably only just been updated. The INSTALL file basically takes you through setting up the RiscOS side of ARM Linux. In the kernel tree, *most* of the documentation is untouched from the Intel version. The CREDITS and MAINTAINERS files have been modified to include any relevent information. What exactly is labelled as experimental, current etc? The command line that you need for using the boot loader initially is definitely in the INSTALL file on the FTP site in the riscos directory. The INSTALL file contains a step by step guide to installing and checking that the kernel is able to boot on your system. Please read it. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-bug-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 4 00:26:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (root@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id AAA25029 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:26:27 +0100 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id SAA28354 for bug-hurd-list; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:27:17 -0400 Received: from usr04.primenet.com by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28334; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:24:18 -0400 Received: (from mcclung@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17420; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:23:38 -0700 (MST) From: Scott McClung Message-Id: <199706032223.PAA17420@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: HURD progress To: thomas@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell n/BSG) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bug-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu, help-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <199706031709.NAA03217@sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu> from "Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG" at Jun 3, 97 01:09:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Status: RO Hi, > Has there been any progress since last September? Since we so rarely > hear from the development team, I guess these are the questions I'd pose > for inclusion in an updated FAQ: > > Lots of progress! Our 0.2 release, complete with binaries, is > expected Real Soon Now (probably this week). Will it be on prep.ai.mit.edu? I just recently installed the hurd, from the gnu-0.0-stripped file there, from a Linux system. It boots from floppy (GRUB), and I can get a shell, but I get some unexplained crashes, and haven't had time to get the unstripped one for debugging yet. Is there a recent distribution/snapshot? I've tried to set up a cross compiler from Linux, so that might be another way to go, if necessary. Where do I send patches? Maybe I should read some docs or an FAQ now. :-) > Was the GRUB bootloader ever completed? > > Yes, Grub 0.4 is excellent and will be in 0.2. You can use it now if > you want... Can Grub be made to boot Linux? I remember reading that it can (or will eventually), but I haven't tried it myself... -- Scott McClung (mcclung@primenet.com) From owner-bug-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 4 04:04:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (djb@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.32]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id EAA25675 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 04:04:04 +0100 Received: by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id NAA06610 for bug-hurd-list; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gnu-life.ai.mit.edu by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06607 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu by gnu-life.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16989 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu by pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24508; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (thomas@localhost) by sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id NAA03225; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706031711.NAA03225@sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: thomas@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG) To: qbradley@gulf.csc.UVic.CA CC: bug-hurd@prep.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: Quetzalcoatl Bradley's message of Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Hurd v0.1 compile X-Name-Change: My name used to be `Michael'; now it is `Thomas'. X-Zippy-Says: Barbie says, Take quaaludes in gin and go to a disco right away! But Ken says, WOO-WOO!! No credit at ``Mr. Liquor''!! Status: RO Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Quetzalcoatl Bradley I also get the same panic from time to time while trying to compile hurd-0.1. I am using the gnu mach 1.1.1 kernel. It doesn't seem to matter what file is being compiled... rebooting and retyping make usually works at least for a while. This panic is really a resource consumption panic caused by (now fixed) memory leaks. Also, I had to change hurd-0.1/libthreads/i386/csw.S I had to change ENTRY to ASENTRY, and I had to remove EXT from the JUMPBASE macro so that the symbols wouldn't have underscores at the beginning which later caused a linking error when trying to link auth. Correct. Furthermore, I had to remove the file /i486-hurd/include/assert.h and make it a link to /include/assert.h so that assert_perror would not result in link errors. (I couldn't just remove it because some of the *.d files have hardcoded references to /i486-hurd/include/assert.h evidently) Correct. Thomas From owner-help-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 4 05:57:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (djb@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.32]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id FAA26021 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 05:57:23 +0100 Received: by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id TAA10338 for help-hurd-list; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from easy.stallion.com by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with SMTP id TAA10335 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stallion.stallion.oz.au by easy.stallion.com id aa11569; 3 Jun 97 16:13 PDT Received: from bogonium.stallion.oz.au by stallion.stallion.oz.au id aa25079; 4 Jun 97 9:17 AEST Received: (from chris@localhost) by bogonium.stallion.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00336; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:12:39 +1000 To: Scott McClung Cc: help-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: HURD progress References: <199706032223.PAA17420@usr04.primenet.com> From: Christopher Biggs Date: 04 Jun 1997 09:12:39 +1000 In-Reply-To: Scott McClung's message of Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 78 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.52/Emacs 19.34 Status: RO Scott McClung moved upon the face of the 'Net and spake thusly: > > Can Grub be made to boot Linux? I remember reading that it can (or > will eventually), but I haven't tried it myself... > I use GRUB to boot dos/linux/hurd right now, and have been ever since hurd 0.0. I store my linux images on a dos partition so my linux root partition can live up beyond BIOS land. Chris. p.s. Here's my config file. # # Sample boot menu configuration file # # Timeout here... timeout = 30 default= 1 fallback= 0 # For booting Windows NT 3.5 or DOS title= Windows 95/DOS boot menu root= (0x80,0) makeactive chainloader= +1 # For booting linux from the DOS partition title= Linux root= (0x80,0) kernel= /linux/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 ro # For booting linux into maintenance mode from the DOS partition title= Linux (Single user mode) root= (0x80,0) kernel= /linux/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 ro S # For booting a backup linux kernel from the DOS partition title= Linux (previous kernel version) root= (0x80,0) kernel= /linux/vmlinuz.old root=/dev/hda3 ro # For booting a new untrusted linux kernel from the DOS partition title= Linux (experimental kernel version) root= (0x80,0) kernel= /linux/vmlinuz.exp root=/dev/hda3 ro # For booting the HURD single user mode #title= GNU 0.0 (single user mode) #root= (hd0,1) #kernel= /boot/kernel -s root=hd0s2 #module= /boot/serverboot # For booting the HURD multi-user mode #title= GNU 0.0 (multi user mode) #root= (hd0,1) #kernel= /boot/kernel root=hd0s2 #module= /boot/serverboot # Re-install the boot loader title= Re-install the GRUB loader on Disk 0 Sector 0 install= (hd0,0)/linux/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0,0)/linux/grub/stage2 0x8000 p (hd0,0)/linux/grub/menu.lst root= (hd0) chainloader=+1 pause= New GRUB setup has been installed, press any key to reboot. -- | Christopher Biggs email:chris@stallion.oz.au | Linux: The choice of a GNU | | Stallion Technologies, Queensland, Australia | Generation. | | VoiceNet +61-7-3270-4266 Fax +61-7-3270-4245 | Mates dont let mates do DOS | | Send mail with "Subject: sendpgpkey" for my PGP public key. MIME mail OK | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 4 13:21:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA27428 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:21:15 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 44592 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16291-13914>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:21:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971414-32359>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:16:24 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971348-32359>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:15:13 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-9.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.75]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03266 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:15:43 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:11:28 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Image-files as Partitions To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, Is it possible to make image files work as partitions for ArmLinux? I have (sort of) made the 2.0.30 kernel run on my SA using the bootdisk from the old distribution (This is probably also why I cant make the Install procedure work?), but I cannot mount a partition on my ADFS HDD not even if it is preformatted to MSDOS-format using my PC-card. Is this because it is not supported, or is it because I'm doing something wrong? Here's my procedure : Booting : /SCSI::Main.$.Linux.!Linux -bootkernel ADFS::IdeA.$.Linux.rpc-2/0/30 In Linux : mount -t msdos /dev/hda3 /mnt And my Config-file : # Linux Boot Configuration file # *** This file is automatically generated by !LinConfig - do not edit!!! *** # List kernels at startup List: on # # Partition containing kernels # Root: # ADFS::4.$.Linux.Part1 # # Partition List Partitions: 0301 Linux.Part1 0301 Linux.Swap 0301 Linux.MSDOS 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 I had to comment the root-partition out when using BootLoader 1.13. If I didn't I would get an 'Invalid magic'-error because the hda1 (and hda2) partition is blank. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 4 21:15:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA29685 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:15:44 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 20576 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <327-25544>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:15:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972355-32359>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:12:04 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <977787-32357>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:08:55 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wZMNw-0007le-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:10:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:10:20 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Image-files as Partitions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > Is it possible to make image files work as partitions for ArmLinux? I Not reliably at the moment. The code exists, but I don't think it's tested and there may be holes in it. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 4 22:08:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA30003 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:08:36 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 56873 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <468-23684>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:08:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977523-32357>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:03:37 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972449-32359>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:57:17 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-5.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.71]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07755; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:58:06 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 22:53:00 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Image-files as Partitions To: Philip Blundell Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed 04 Jun, Philip Blundell wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > > > Is it possible to make image files work as partitions for ArmLinux? I > > Not reliably at the moment. The code exists, but I don't think it's > tested and there may be holes in it. How do I make it work? Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 4 22:25:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA30101 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:25:45 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 57408 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <736-9979>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:25:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977802-32359>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:21:10 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972476-32359>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:10:16 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wZNJG-00015P-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:09:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:09:33 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Image-files as Partitions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > On Wed 04 Jun, Philip Blundell wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > > > > > Is it possible to make image files work as partitions for ArmLinux? I > > > > Not reliably at the moment. The code exists, but I don't think it's > > tested and there may be holes in it. > > How do I make it work? Don't know off the top of my head. Try reading the source. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 4 22:36:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA30164 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:36:21 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 23122 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <168-9979>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:35:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971894-32357>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:32:10 -0400 Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk ([194.112.32.10]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971747-32357>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:31:52 -0400 Received: from kozzey (vt02-107.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.44.107]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00382 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:33:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3395DF3E.1EA45F6B@dircon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 22:33:50 +0100 From: Kaustav Bhattacharya Organization: Red Hot Country X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Installing ARM Linux on a JAZ X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have an internal SCSI JAZ drive running on my RPC600 (610). It's formatted to SCSI in 2 x 512Mb chucks. I use a Morley Cache card running v1.17 SCSI firmware. Can I install ARM Linux one of the 512Mb chunks and expect it to behave itself if I run it completely off the JAZ? What was that? You saw a pig flying? ;-) Kozzey. -- Kaustav Bhattacharya (aka Kozzey) kozzey@dircon.co.uk / kozzey@cursci.co.uk http://redhotcountry.co.uk - Europe's eye on country music world-wide MEMBER OF THE COUNTRY MUSIC ASSOCIATION. No. 106306 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 4 22:47:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA30227 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:47:37 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 6755 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2655-18137>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:47:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973922-32357>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:43:16 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974092-32357>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:41:34 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wZNo1-0001WN-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:41:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:41:21 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Kaustav Bhattacharya cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Installing ARM Linux on a JAZ In-Reply-To: <3395DF3E.1EA45F6B@dircon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Kaustav Bhattacharya wrote: > I have an internal SCSI JAZ drive running on my RPC600 (610). It's > formatted to SCSI in 2 x 512Mb chucks. I use a Morley Cache card > running v1.17 SCSI firmware. Can I install ARM Linux one of the 512Mb > chunks and expect it to behave itself if I run it completely off the > JAZ? What was that? You saw a pig flying? ;-) Morley SCSI isn't supported as far as I know. The Jaz itself should be no problem though. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 6 00:28:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA05197 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:27:59 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 53268 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2951-2000>; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:27:18 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977928-1110>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:25:52 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <978065-1110>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:10:25 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:56:06 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Jun 97 20:54:54 BST Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:28:44 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <135.199706042128@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Image-files as Partitions To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:28:30 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jun 4, 97 09:10:20 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > > Is it possible to make image files work as partitions for ArmLinux? I > > Not reliably at the moment. The code exists, but I don't think it's > tested and there may be holes in it. The code does exist, but it's in extremely bad shape. It basically requires a partial re-write to get it working with the (newish) page cache. Until such time, the image file code is non-functional. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 7 16:40:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA15133 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 16:40:19 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 40204 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2165-10777>; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 18:40:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971318-1110>; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:39:06 -0400 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.21]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971434-1110>; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:38:50 -0400 Received: from carltsw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.64.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1303477; 7 Jun 97 16:07 BST Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 12:49:47 +0100 (BST) From: Henry Morgan Subject: Installation Discs To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Carlton Software X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On the ARM linux web pages it says that you need the "root disk image", and a second disk which has the installer on a DOS floppy. I've got all the other things mentioned on the page. However the links to the files don't work, and I tried getting to the directory on the ftp site ( ftp.arm.linux.org/pub/distrib/install ), but the install directory doesn't seem to be there! Can anyone tell me where the bits are? I'm installing on a Risc PC SA, with a partition on my HD for ARM Linux. Thanks for any help! -- Henry Morgan --> hmorgan@carltsw.demon.co.uk Views expressed are mine and mine only From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 9 02:57:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA24425 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:57:47 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 4218 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2787-23144>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:56:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972329-259>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:55:10 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972485-263>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:48:28 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:33:42 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 8 Jun 97 19:32:52 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:33:36 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <592.199706081833@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Problems... To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:33:53 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi everyone... If you have downloaded a Risc PC kernel that is around 300k in length, then it is gzipped. Please either ungzip the kernel before attempting to use it, or else get the correct version (replaced on the FTP site today). Thanks. Russell. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 9 04:56:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id EAA24897 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:56:33 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 44139 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2878-23144>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:54:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <978202-259>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:51:17 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972496-263>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:50:29 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:19:36 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 8 Jun 97 00:18:48 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 23:19:33 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <3493.199706072319@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: ARM Linux Release To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:19:44 +0100 (BST) X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Wow.... It has finally happened! ARM Linux has been released for RiscPC computers! The Web pages have been fixed! (I hope). Please note that this has only been tested on a RiscPC. The A5000 and ARC versions will be following shortly. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 9 06:00:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA25151 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:00:19 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 3425 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16305-28263>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:59:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977948-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:57:58 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <986217-259>; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:55:19 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wagMH-0004Qc-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:42:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:42:05 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: CD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Somebody sent me a cheque for a CD-ROM a couple of days ago, but didn't put their address or even full name on the covering letter (and now I've paid the cheque in so I can't look on that - duh). Could you please drop me a line by email so that I know where to send the disk. Thanks. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 9 21:11:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA29218 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:11:31 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 65144 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15858-28263>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:09:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972111-263>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:07:08 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <977945-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:58:38 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-7.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.73]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA05873 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:56:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:53:39 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Probs setting up the Config-file To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi there, I can't get Linux to find my HD-partitions. I have looked in all the help files I could find, but with no luck. I have formatted my HD on my ICS IDEFS to use for linux, but I can't seem to make it work. Here is my Config-file (What have I done wrong?): # Linux Boot Configuration file # *** This file is automatically generated by !LinConfig - do not edit!!! *** # List kernels at startup List: on # # Partition containing kernels Root: # ADFS::4.$.Linux.Part1 *IDEFS::4.0 # # Partition List Partitions: 0301 Linux.Part1 0301 Linux.Swap 0301 Linux.MSDOS 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 I am using BootLoader 3.13, and I have to comment the root-partition out to avoid getting an 'illegal magic in bmap file'-error. Even when I use the -BootKernel option when starting the BootLoader. I have initialised two partitions on my IDEFS-disk. One on 100MB and one on 20MB What is the correct setting? I also have a Powertec SCSI-II card. When will this be supported, and will my CDROM-drive work, if it is attached to the card? PS: How do I access a Linux partition from RISC OS? Or how do I make one shared (MSDOS-formatted?) partition from/to which I can both read and write from Linux and RISC OS (for transferring files bigger than 1440k between the two systems)? PPS: When is the Linux-CDROM released? Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 9 21:33:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA29346 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:33:26 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 5162 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15941-28263>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:32:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970928-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:30:38 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970952-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:30:19 -0400 Received: from benji (e1d03.uk.pi.net [194.73.79.171]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id VAA29331 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:30:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:24:25 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file Message-ID: <6671b19747@dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v0.31 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59a Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, In message Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> wrote: > [snip config file... looks okay as far as I know...] > > I am using BootLoader 3.13, and I have to comment the > root-partition out to avoid getting an 'illegal magic in bmap > file'-error. Even when I use the -BootKernel option when starting > the BootLoader. Have you setup /etc/boot.conf and run loadmap? see man boot.conf, man loadmap These are how you setup which kernels the bootloader offers you a choice of, and where the root partition is (I think) and a few other things. > I have initialised two partitions on my IDEFS-disk. One on 100MB > and one on 20MB What is the correct setting? If the first linux partition is your root partition, then it should be, yes. > [snip] Don't know the answers for the rest, I'm afraid. I don't think there's an easy way of getting files risc os <-> linux atm, although I'd love to be proved wrong. A totally dos formatted HD might work. (or a zip drive... I'm sure I saw a ppa module somewhere!) Cheers, Joseph -- Joseph Heenan email: esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk, joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 9 22:51:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA29699 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:51:15 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 17722 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15858-25203>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:50:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971242-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:47:42 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970821-263>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:30:31 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-6.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.72]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06235 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:13:02 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 23:12:23 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <6671b19747@dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon 09 Jun, Joseph Heenan wrote: > Have you setup /etc/boot.conf and run loadmap? > see man boot.conf, man loadmap > These are how you setup which kernels the bootloader offers you a > choice of, and where the root partition is (I think) and a few other > things. How can I edit these when I cannot boot Linux? > > I have initialised two partitions on my IDEFS-disk. One on 100MB > > and one on 20MB What is the correct setting? > > If the first linux partition is your root partition, then it should > be, yes. > > > [snip] > > Don't know the answers for the rest, I'm afraid. I don't think > there's an easy way of getting files risc os <-> linux atm, although > I'd love to be proved wrong. A totally dos formatted HD might work. > (or a zip drive... I'm sure I saw a ppa module somewhere!) Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 9 22:52:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA29703 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:52:20 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 17722 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15427-10169>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:51:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971571-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:49:33 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971117-263>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:31:41 -0400 Received: from benji (e1d18.uk.pi.net [194.73.79.186]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id WAA29544 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:14:05 +0100 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 22:07:19 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file Message-ID: <125fb59747@dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v0.31 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59a Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> wrote: > Hi there, > > I can't get Linux to find my HD-partitions. I have looked in all the help files > I could find, but with no luck. > I have formatted my HD on my ICS IDEFS to use for linux, but I can't seem to > make it work. > Here is my Config-file (What have I done wrong?): I think I got things wrong in my last email... I'd assumed you'd installed armlinux, but looking at this again, I don't think you have. Apologies if I'd got this right the first time.. ;-) Anyway, if you're following the INSTALL instructions from the ftp site, it doesn't tell you to setup the config file for !Linux until after you've installed linux. If your harddrive partitions aren't been recognised, then it's something to do with the kernel, and you should post the partition check stage of the bootup messages for our perusal. The web pages seem to say that the ICS IDEFS driver is untested & unfinished, maybe this is the problem... HTH Joseph -- Joseph Heenan email: esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk, joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 10 00:48:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA30177 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:48:16 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 52314 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15962-10169>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:44:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970928-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:38:31 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970952-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:36:16 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wbDy0-0001ux-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:35:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:35:15 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Joseph Heenan cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file In-Reply-To: <6671b19747@dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Joseph Heenan wrote: > I'd love to be proved wrong. A totally dos formatted HD might work. > (or a zip drive... I'm sure I saw a ppa module somewhere!) PPA isn't tested on the ARM yet. It ought to work on A5000 and RPC hardware though - I'd like to hear if anybody has any problems. We're working on ARC support, which should come with SPARC and m68k soon. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 10 01:13:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA30285 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:13:45 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 56179 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15716-10169>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:02:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970897-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:59:00 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970976-259>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:57:47 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:58:24 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Jun 97 00:57:36 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:24:38 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Russell King) Message-Id: <602.199706092225@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file To: 36jan@but.auc.dk (Jan Magnussen) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:25:03 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Jan Magnussen" at Jun 9, 97 09:53:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Jan Magnussen writes: > I can't get Linux to find my HD-partitions. I have looked in all the help files > I could find, but with no luck. > I have formatted my HD on my ICS IDEFS to use for linux, but I can't seem to > make it work. > Here is my Config-file (What have I done wrong?): > # Partition List > Partitions: > 0301 Linux.Part1 > 0301 Linux.Swap > 0301 Linux.MSDOS This is currently an unsupported partitioning method. You should be using the PartMan method of partitioning your drive. Linux will automatically detect these. Please read *all* the documentation, including the INSTALL file on the FTP site in /pub/armlinux/distrib/riscos/INSTALL. > I also have a Powertec SCSI-II card. When will this be supported, and will my > CDROM-drive work, if it is attached to the card? There is currently no work being performed on this card. However, if someone would like to have a go... > PS: How do I access a Linux partition from RISC OS? Or how do I make one shared > (MSDOS-formatted?) partition from/to which I can both read and write from Linux > and RISC OS (for transferring files bigger than 1440k between the two systems)? The Linux kernel (as I mentioned above) does not support shared partition files at the moment. However, rudimentiary support will be returning shortly. > PPS: When is the Linux-CDROM released? I hope in a week's time. There are a few problems that need sorting out first. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 10 07:39:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id HAA31835 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:39:01 +0100 Received: from TIMEDOUT@vger.rutgers.edu (port 42349 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16160-10169>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:21:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970976-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:20:10 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970907-259>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:19:45 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-12.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.78]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07636 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:19:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:01:06 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file To: linux-arm@vger.rytgers.edu In-Reply-To: <125fb59747@dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon 09 Jun, Joseph Heenan wrote: > > I can't get Linux to find my HD-partitions. I have looked in all the help files > > I could find, but with no luck. > > I have formatted my HD on my ICS IDEFS to use for linux, but I can't seem to > > make it work. > > Here is my Config-file (What have I done wrong?): > > I think I got things wrong in my last email... I'd assumed you'd > installed armlinux, but looking at this again, I don't think you > have. Apologies if I'd got this right the first time.. ;-) ;) > Anyway, if you're following the INSTALL instructions from the ftp > site, it doesn't tell you to setup the config file for !Linux until > after you've installed linux. If your harddrive partitions aren't > been recognised, then it's something to do with the kernel, and you > should post the partition check stage of the bootup messages for our > perusal. The web pages seem to say that the ICS IDEFS driver is > untested & unfinished, maybe this is the problem... Partial kernel bootup message: Console: colour A-series 160x128x256, 1 virtual console (max 63) Installed expansion cards: 0: [005B:0107] Power-tec (Alsystems) Generic SCSI with ATAPI & CDFS 1: [003C:00AE] IDE Interface Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 270.34 BogoMIPS Memory: 22940k/24576k available (732k kernel code, 36k reserved, 868k data) [snip] hda: Conner ......... ide0 at 0x1f7, 0x3f6 on irq 9 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M, fd1 is 1.44M Started kswapd v 1.4.2.2 FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 scsi : 0 hosts. scsi : detected total. Partition check: hda: [ADFS] hda1 VFS: Insert root........ Hope this helps. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 10 16:28:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA01509 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:28:33 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 30328 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15360-25203>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:10:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970854-259>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:08:25 -0400 Received: from development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.123.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971233-259>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:08:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (matthew@localhost) by development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk (8.8.Beta.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA18296 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:09:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:50:52 +0100 (BST) From: Matt X-Sender: matthew@development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rytgers.edu Subject: ARM710 and multiple HD support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all! Firstly a big *gratz* to Russell for getting the distribution sorted out - it seems to be working perfectly on my housemate's StrongARM (once we sussed out the NFS install - the other methods didn't want to work) However, when I tried to install on my ARM710 the kernel I downloaded yesterday at 2pm (which works on the SA) hangs mightily before even starting or printing up any messages other than the bootloader's 'Extra args:' doobry. When I poked an ARM610 under the hood (As nicked from SA-upgraded mate) everything went fine until it hit the HD's. I use the standard Acorn motherboard IDE system with two drives - one is a 600Mb drive partitioned as a 40Mb RiscOs, rest Linux drive, and the other a 1.2Gb drive with a 60Mb swap partition on it, rest Risc OS. The kernel detects both drives but hangs horribly after that. Having just had an exam I can't remember exactly the messages involved, but the hang is the cursor-stops-flashing-caps-lock-not-work variety. I'll play around with the drives (unplugging one or other etc) and see if I can get anything working. Any other suggestions? Take care, Matt -==- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 10 16:29:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA01515 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:29:09 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 11012 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15498-25203>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:17:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971225-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:15:47 -0400 Received: from development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.123.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971366-259>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:15:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (matthew@localhost) by development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk (8.8.Beta.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA18305 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:14:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:14:19 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Godbolt X-Sender: matthew@development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: crt0.o Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Linux still running without major hitch on the strong-arm (see my earlier message) Just one problem - none of the rpms seem to have the /lib/crt0.o (or /usr/arm-linux-aout/lib/crt0.o so nothing compiles...I've evendownloaded the whole rpm set and grepped for crt0.o! If I take the source codeto the development (aout) and compile it - I first need to define sys_done (which I can only guess as 0x900001 - same as exit) in order to get crt0.S to compile, but even then any hello world progrmas dump core well before printing anything. In the words of Penelope Pitstop, 'Hayulp!' :) Take care, Matt -==- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 10 22:52:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA03158 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:52:43 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 30819 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16094-908>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:51:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971692-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:49:28 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972305-259>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:27:51 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-11.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.77]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13917 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:19:35 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:50:42 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <602.199706092225@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue 10 Jun, Russell King wrote: > Jan Magnussen writes: > > I can't get Linux to find my HD-partitions. I have looked in all the help files > > I could find, but with no luck. > > I have formatted my HD on my ICS IDEFS to use for linux, but I can't seem to > > make it work. > > Here is my Config-file (What have I done wrong?): > > > # Partition List > > Partitions: > > 0301 Linux.Part1 > > 0301 Linux.Swap > > 0301 Linux.MSDOS > > This is currently an unsupported partitioning method. You should be using the > PartMan method of partitioning your drive. Linux will automatically detect these. I did, but Linux wasn't able to detect my drive at all (see my ealier mail), and I didn't think that it would matter that I defined the unsupported partitions. I thought that they just were ignored. > Please read *all* the documentation, including the INSTALL file on the FTP site > in /pub/armlinux/distrib/riscos/INSTALL. I think I already did skim it all through but a second look wouldn't hurt (I think) ;) > > I also have a Powertec SCSI-II card. When will this be supported, and will my > > CDROM-drive work, if it is attached to the card? > > There is currently no work being performed on this card. However, if someone would > like to have a go... Does this mean that I can't get my CD-ROM, which is attached to the SCSI-card, to work either? > > PS: How do I access a Linux partition from RISC OS? Or how do I make one shared > > (MSDOS-formatted?) partition from/to which I can both read and write from Linux > > and RISC OS (for transferring files bigger than 1440k between the two systems)? > > The Linux kernel (as I mentioned above) does not support shared partition files > at the moment. However, rudimentiary support will be returning shortly. Does that mean an 'EXT2FS for RO' or something like that? > > PPS: When is the Linux-CDROM released? > > I hope in a week's time. There are a few problems that need sorting out first. I hope that I can make it work with my SCSI-II CD-ROM... Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 10 23:07:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA03221 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:06:59 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 53623 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2984-908>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:06:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971603-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:03:05 -0400 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.21]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971669-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:00:43 -0400 Received: from carltsw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.64.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0616173; 10 Jun 97 19:19 BST Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 19:41:44 +0100 (BST) From: Henry Morgan Subject: Problems installing ARM Linux on Risc PC SA To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Cc: pjb27@cam.ac.uk, rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Not applicable X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, I'm trying to get ARM Linux to install, and have got the disc sets from the ARM Linux web and FTP sites, but I#m having a problem :-( I've set up a partitiion (number 3 in PartMan) on my Hard disc (ADFS::4), and have copied the ARM Linux stuff into ADFS::4.$.Software.Linux In LinConfig I've set the Kernel location to: ADFS::Caviar.$.Software.Linux.rpc-2/0/30 (this is the Kernel I got from the web site today - 9/6/97). I haven't done anything to the kernel since downlading (ie. I havn't tried to uncompress it or anything similar) I also set the following device: 0301 *ADFS::4.3 (device 0301 filename *ADFS::4.3 <-- is this right to specify partition 3 on my hard disc?) I used Write Disc to write the root-rpc and supplement disc images to two separate DOS discs. When I double click on !Linux I get the error: Invalid magic (EA000006) in bmap file - aborting This comes when the screen has gone to a black background, and appears as white text on the background, and also in a standard RISC OS error window. I hope someone can help me, as this is obviously stopping me from getting Linux running on my Risc PC SA, any tips/help greatfully received! I was thknking that it seems like I need to write something to the hard disc partition that has been set aside for ARM Linux, but there doesn't seem to be any software about to do that. Hope someone can come up with an idea! Thanks, -- Henry Morgan --> mailto:hmorgan@carltsw.demon.co.uk Views expressed are mine and mine only. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 10 23:34:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA03347 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:34:22 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 43553 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2790-908>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:33:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970887-259>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:31:49 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970876-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:31:33 -0400 Received: from benji (e1d06.uk.pi.net [194.73.79.174]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id XAA03336 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:31:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:21:03 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Problems installing ARM Linux on Risc PC SA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: Messenger v0.31 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message Henry Morgan wrote: > I'm trying to get ARM Linux to install, and have got the disc sets from > the ARM Linux web and FTP sites, but I#m having a problem :-( > > I've set up a partitiion (number 3 in PartMan) on my Hard disc (ADFS::4), > and have copied the ARM Linux stuff into ADFS::4.$.Software.Linux > > In LinConfig I've set the Kernel location to: > > ADFS::Caviar.$.Software.Linux.rpc-2/0/30 > > (this is the Kernel I got from the web site today - 9/6/97). I haven't > done anything to the kernel since downlading (ie. I havn't tried to > uncompress it or anything similar) Yeah, they're not normally compressed. > I also set the following device: > > 0301 *ADFS::4.3 > > (device 0301 filename *ADFS::4.3 <-- is this right to specify partition > 3 on my hard disc?) I found it should be *ADFS::5.0 for partition 3 on my disk - I assume the bootloader is counting linux partition, so it's actually partition zero. That's beside the point, though, you're not supposed to setup a config file until you've got linux installed. See INSTALL - armlinux/distrib/riscos/INSTALL on the ftpsite. > I used Write Disc to write the root-rpc and supplement disc images to two > separate DOS discs. > > When I double click on !Linux I get the error: > > Invalid magic (EA000006) in bmap file - aborting It would do, it's try to search for a kernel in the boot map of the harddrive, and failing. (because there isn't one there). You need to remove the config file, and do: ADFS::4.$.Linux.!Linux -bootkernel ADFS::4.$.Linux.rpc-2/0/30 (with the right locations for where you've put the bits, obviously). > I was thknking that it seems like I need to write something to the > hard disc partition that has been set aside for ARM Linux, but there > doesn't seem to be any software about to do that. I think you're going to run into a problem, here. You need a way to transfer all the rpm's you've downloaded to armlinux. You can install via ftp or nfs - you need another machine (both with ethernet cards) to install from then, though. Other possibilties are cdrom, or (very possibly, I'm not certain) copying the rpm's onto a spare HD with another linux machine. Russell is hoping to get something going so you can transfer bits, I fear you'll be stuck until that's done. HTH, Joseph -- Joseph Heenan email: esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk, joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 10 23:59:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA03468 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:59:00 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 830 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2580-17959>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:58:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971243-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:56:10 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971351-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:55:36 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wbZpr-00026R-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:56:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:56:19 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Problems installing ARM Linux on Risc PC SA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Joseph Heenan wrote: > I think you're going to run into a problem, here. You need a way to > transfer all the rpm's you've downloaded to armlinux. You can install > via ftp or nfs - you need another machine (both with ethernet cards) > to install from then, though. Other possibilties are cdrom, or (very > possibly, I'm not certain) copying the rpm's onto a spare HD with > another linux machine. Russell is hoping to get something going so > you can transfer bits, I fear you'll be stuck until that's done. There's always DOS disks. If you have a spare drive, or a removeable, or a lot of floppies and patience, you can do it that way. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 00:10:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA03533 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:10:07 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 23880 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2642-908>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 02:09:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971133-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:07:33 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971320-263>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:07:07 -0400 Received: from benji (e1d06.uk.pi.net [194.73.79.174]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id AAA03510 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:07:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:59:09 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Problems installing ARM Linux on Risc PC SA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: Messenger v0.31 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message Philip Blundell wrote: > There's always DOS disks. If you have a spare drive, or a removeable, or > a lot of floppies and patience, you can do it that way. Umm. That's relatively hideous :-) Not recommended for the beginner, anyway, I'd have thought - you'd have to newfs the partition yourself, as the installer doesn't support install from floppies. I'm not sure how much it'd appreciate you trying to install from the same partition you're installing to, either. (and, of course, to add to the fun some of the rpm's are > 1.44Meg) In about a weeks time, I might be in a position to install armlinux onto other peoples hds if anyone's desperate. I've got all the rpm's on a nfs server, so it's a case of sticking the HD in and leaving it for an hour and a bit. There's a couple of problems that exist atm, so it's not really worth doing it currently. (plus I'm in the middle of exams!) Joseph -- Joseph Heenan email: esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk, joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 16:28:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA07608 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:28:53 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 42314 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2810-631>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:28:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971684-259>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:25:56 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971753-263>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:56:42 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wbolX-0006Xl-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:52:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:52:51 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Problems installing ARM Linux on Risc PC SA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Joseph Heenan wrote: > Not recommended for the beginner, anyway, I'd have thought - you'd > have to newfs the partition yourself, as the installer doesn't > support install from floppies. I'm not sure how much it'd appreciate It _does_ support install from hard disks though, I think, and you might be able to persuade it to treat a SyQuest (or even a Zip if you're lucky...) as a hard disk for that purpose. Being able to install off tape would be handy for some people as well, but it can't do that either. Every so often I get asked by people who want to install on SPARCs whether I can cut them a 1/4" tape distribution. (!) p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 16:42:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA07669 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:42:54 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 4966 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2052-632>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:42:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971669-259>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:39:32 -0400 Received: from development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.123.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971745-259>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:23:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (matthew@localhost) by development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk (8.8.Beta.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA19019 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:02:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:02:09 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Godbolt X-Sender: matthew@development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO More in the saga (I see no-one's replying to me so either the list is being flakey (again) or no-one can or wants to help me ;)) I've now managed to get the kernel to compile - not that it works...but at least it doesn't need (ISTR) crt0.o to link. In the end I found that compiling all of the kernel compile support stuff (like the font-making program and suchlike) statically with my kludged crt0.o works ok. So - (a) is my crt0.o ok as it is, and (b) how do I get to compile even 'hello world' non-statically? Any suggestions - I really want to get on with a bit of kernel hackery after I gave up on NetBSD :) Take care, Matt -==- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 17:14:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA07833 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:14:37 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 36374 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2560-632>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:13:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971617-263>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:12:07 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971648-263>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:11:36 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wbpy4-0007Zs-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:09:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:09:52 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matt Godbolt cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Matt Godbolt wrote: > I've now managed to get the kernel to compile - not that it works...but at > least it doesn't need (ISTR) crt0.o to link. Indeed it doesn't - crt0.o is the C run-time initialisation, and you only need it for user space binaries. > In the end I found that compiling all of the kernel compile support stuff > (like the font-making program and suchlike) statically with my kludged > crt0.o works ok. > > So - (a) is my crt0.o ok as it is, and (b) how do I get to compile even > 'hello world' non-statically? Don't know off the top of my head. I'll take a look at your other messages properly a bit later on and see if I can work out what might be happening. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 17:36:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA07939 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:36:44 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 27697 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2663-632>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:32:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971635-259>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:30:17 -0400 Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk ([192.84.78.5]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971547-259>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:29:40 -0400 Received: (from glyn@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA08323 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:24:43 GMT From: Glyn Davies Message-Id: <199706111724.RAA08323@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk> Subject: A5000 root disk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:24:43 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi there, Just setout to download the A5k distribution of Linux, only it seems there's no root disk for this beast Any ideas? Cheers, Glyn -- Glyn D / http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~daviess / Manchester Computer Society ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Whom computers must destroy, they must first drive mad." -- fortune "What if everyone felt like that?" -- Catch 22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 21:42:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA09241 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:42:35 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 15388 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2950-631>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:42:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971669-272>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:40:00 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971682-268>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:31:06 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-6.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.72]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA24202 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:30:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:29:26 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Problems installing To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello again, I have given up on my IDEFS-hd and have reformatted my ADFS-hd, partitioned it with a 250MB Linux Native and a 20MB Linux Swap-partition. I have also deleted the Config file, because as far as I can understand, this is required for the kernel to boot properly the first time. I start Linux by the command-prompt typing: /SCSI::Main.$.Linux.!Linux -bootkernel SCSI::Main.$.Linux.rpc-2/0/30 and I do not type in any extra arguments. The kernel writes (among other things): Partition check: hda: [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 < hda3 hda4 > I guess this means, that the kernel have found my Linux-partitions? When the Red Hat Installation comes to choosing partitions it tells me, that the only partition available is /dev/hda saying that this partition is 8 block of size, and if I accepts this then later on I am told that I do not have a swap- partition either, and if I try to correct the partitions using fdisk (edit from the partition menu), it can not read or write the HD. Why is this? What am I doing wrong? I have tried typing 'rw' at the extra arguments query in the bootloader, but with no difference. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 22:02:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA09388 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:02:25 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 1344 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2205-632>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:01:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971627-268>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:59:37 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974188-272>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:44:15 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:39:25 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Jun 97 21:38:29 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:35:55 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Russell King) Message-Id: <348.199706102036@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:36:25 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jun 10, 97 00:35:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Joseph Heenan wrote: > > > I'd love to be proved wrong. A totally dos formatted HD might work. > > (or a zip drive... I'm sure I saw a ppa module somewhere!) > > PPA isn't tested on the ARM yet. It ought to work on A5000 and RPC > hardware though - I'd like to hear if anybody has any problems. We're > working on ARC support, which should come with SPARC and m68k soon. Wrong! The PPA module has been tested on ARM, and appears to work fine. However, the current state of the Linux PPA module in the 2.0 kernels means that you don't get the high-speed parallel port speeds. The ppa module is on the installation disk for RedHat ARM Linux. BTW, I have been getting complaints about mis-information being broadcast about ARM Linux. Could people please ensure that they get their facts right before commenting. Althoug the Web site pages may say that they're a month old, they are probably correct. Thanks. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 22:27:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA09574 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:27:39 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 21605 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3040-21890>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:25:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971795-268>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:24:27 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971666-272>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:17:02 -0400 Received: from benji (e1d22.uk.pi.net [194.73.79.190]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id WAA09441 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:09:23 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:53:47 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Problems installing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: Messenger v0.31 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> wrote: > Hello again, > > I have given up on my IDEFS-hd and have reformatted my ADFS-hd, > partitioned it with a 250MB Linux Native and a 20MB Linux > Swap-partition. Good move :) > I have also deleted the Config file, because as far > as I can understand, this is required for the kernel to boot > properly the first time. I start Linux by the command-prompt > typing: /SCSI::Main.$.Linux.!Linux -bootkernel > SCSI::Main.$.Linux.rpc-2/0/30 and I do not type in any extra > arguments. Looks good. > The kernel writes (among other things): Partition check: > hda: [ADFS] hda1 [Linux] hda2 < hda3 hda4 > > I guess this means, that the kernel have found my Linux-partitions? Yes. > When the Red Hat Installation comes to choosing partitions it tells > me, that the only partition available is /dev/hda saying that this > partition is 8 block of size, and if I accepts this then later on I > am told that I do not have a swap- partition either, and if I try > to correct the partitions using fdisk (edit from the partition > menu), it can not read or write the HD. Why is this? What am I > doing wrong? Okay. I assume/hope you mean it says the only available partition is /dev/hda3 or something, and /dev/hda was the only disk is offered to allow you to partition. Which is okay. I think swap is 'work in progress'. As for fdisk, it's compiled so you can't edit the partitions. I can't remember why, though. :-( Does it actually go through and install okay if you tell it to carry on without any swap? HTH, Joseph -- Joseph Heenan email: esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk, joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 22:29:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA09590 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:29:15 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 26218 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15997-21399>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:28:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971697-272>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:27:15 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972111-272>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:16:51 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id VAA28849; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:59:26 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706112059.VAA28849@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: ARM 7100/7500 To: 36jan@but.auc.dk (Jan Magnussen) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:59:16 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Jan Magnussen" at Jun 11, 97 10:29:26 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Has anyone got the ARM kernel running on the ARM 7100 and/or 7500 CPU's. They seem to be otherwise sane except for the data sheet "object oriented MMU". Is this a different MMU or marketing buzzwordifying the existing one ? Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 23:19:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA09982 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:19:49 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 43304 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2531-21890>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:18:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971655-272>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:16:50 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971692-268>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:16:31 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-8.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.74]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24669 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:16:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:15:41 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Problems installing To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed 11 Jun, Joseph Heenan wrote: > > When the Red Hat Installation comes to choosing partitions it tells > > me, that the only partition available is /dev/hda saying that this > > partition is 8 block of size, and if I accepts this then later on I > > am told that I do not have a swap- partition either, and if I try > > to correct the partitions using fdisk (edit from the partition > > menu), it can not read or write the HD. Why is this? What am I > > doing wrong? > > Okay. I assume/hope you mean it says the only available partition is > /dev/hda3 or something, and /dev/hda was the only disk is offered to > allow you to partition. Which is okay. > I think swap is 'work in progress'. No. The only HD available is /dev/hda which (according to Red Hat) contains no partitions :-( > As for fdisk, it's compiled so you can't edit the partitions. I can't > remember why, though. :-( > > Does it actually go through and install okay if you tell it to carry > on without any swap? No. In the 'Find installation files'-menu it tries to mount /dev/hda1, which is 8k of size!! but (of course?) it cannot access this partition giving the error 'mount failed: Invalid argument'. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 11 23:34:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA10092 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:34:01 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 54069 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2856-21399>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:30:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971709-268>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:29:27 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971737-268>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:28:59 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:28:05 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Jun 97 23:27:16 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:27:49 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1130.199706112228@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: New packages To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:28:16 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi. As of tonight, I have uploaded a couple of new RPMs to the FTP site: mouseconfig-1.4-1a2.arm.rpm Fixes problem with gpm complaining about 'Archie' mouse type. at-2.7-2a2.arm.rpm Fixes the permissions on /var/spool/at directory so at can run. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 00:37:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA10578 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:37:03 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 51835 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2112-21399>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:36:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971704-268>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:35:19 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971682-272>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:35:03 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wbwvA-0000io-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:35:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:35:20 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Russell King cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file In-Reply-To: <348.199706102036@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Russell King wrote: > Philip Blundell writes: > > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Joseph Heenan wrote: > > > > > I'd love to be proved wrong. A totally dos formatted HD might work. > > > (or a zip drive... I'm sure I saw a ppa module somewhere!) > > > > PPA isn't tested on the ARM yet. It ought to work on A5000 and RPC > > hardware though - I'd like to hear if anybody has any problems. We're > > working on ARC support, which should come with SPARC and m68k soon. > > Wrong! The PPA module has been tested on ARM, and appears to work > fine. It would be nice if people told us these things. Still, PPA is due for another breakage soon. BTW, it won't work on pre-A5000 hardware unless Russell has done something really evil to it (which I sincerely hope he hasn't). ObDig: Russell, have you signed the FSF disclaimer yet? p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 10:11:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA14528 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:11:30 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 35862 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16131-21399>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:10:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971897-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:08:16 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.pdd.3com.com ([193.130.120.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971996-272>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:58:33 -0400 Received: from isolan.pdd.3com.com (mailhost.pdd.3com.com [161.71.120.148]) by gatekeeper.pdd.3com.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21357 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:58:54 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Message-Id: <11250.9706120858@warthog.pdd.3com.com> Subject: partition manager problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:58:19 +0100 (BST) Organisation: Tree X-Pet-Hate: Microsoft Orofice X-Junk-Level: High X-Want: To be in Aber X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Oh you lucky buggers to be getting problems with Linux itself. I can't even get past the partitioning stage :-) I am using partman 1.05 to try to partition a seagate ST31276A. This was bought from a bog standard PC place and has the default PC configuration on it. What I want to do is to have one 200 meg partition for riscos (I assume that this has to be the first partition in the disk ) and give the rest over to Linux. OK so I fire up the partition manager, give File System ADFS, Drive 4 and it gets the following info Total Size 1222 sector size 512 cylinders 2482 Heads 16 sectors 63 The partition table is as follows Partition sector start sector end size type 0 62 31KB Table 1 17 41751 20MB Linux 41752 2501855 1201MB Free The problems are 1 I cannot edit the un-numbered partition before partition 1 (partition 0) 2 If I set the start of sector 1 to be 0 the sector dissappears and I only have the initial sector 0 and the free area even bigger 3 The largest size that I can set partition 1 to be is 32 MB. If I try to set it to any larger than that it removes 32MB chunks until it is below 32MB (Modulo of 32MB I think) 4 What is the type field and why is it not editable 5 When trying to create a new partition, the free partition is displayed. There is does no obvious way to label this as partition 3. Also any attempt to set the size of this 'new' partition to be smaller to leave a 'new' partition and a smaller free area has no effect. To say that I'm confused is an understatement. For what it's worth I'm doing this on an A4K running Risc OS 3. any ideas folks??? thanks in advance Howard -- Howard Windsor Email:howardw@pdd.3com.com otherwise known as warthog "Nothing defines Humans better than their willingness to do irrational things in the pursuit of phenomenally unlikely payoffs. This is the principle behind lotteries, dating and religion" Scott Adams From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 10:49:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA14838 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:49:41 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 9297 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2665-21399>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:45:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972046-272>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:43:47 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972341-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:40:35 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id KAA18871; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:25:12 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706120925.KAA18871@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM 7100/7500 To: dg@cogency.co.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:25:10 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <339FC731.191B@cogency.co.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at Jun 12, 97 09:53:53 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > and onward MMU's; I think they are basically commenting on the ability > to set protection down to 1K granularity and some of the protection > mechanism bits; Apple specified them quite heavily for the Newton and > its wacky OO based OS. Ok > P.S. I believe the 7100 is destined for the new PSION 5 handheld - > 'Linux in your pocket (TM)' ? Yes this has been funny and we've been baited PSION people. PSION kept the story terribly secret until last week while Cirrus Logic (who make the chips) have been telling everyone for months. In this case Im looking at it for a DIY wearable - that or the 7510. Both are cheap and have a pile of GPIO pins (enough to do IDE on ;)) and are small and compact. The 75xx looks as if you can plug a twiddler into its keyboard connector, irda on for the networking, some DRAM on the ram controller, a ROM on the memory bus and some kind of display - the only problem is that it looks as if the builtin lcd controller wouldnt be able to drive a scanning led heads up display. We've got a certain interest in tiny boxes here (see http://toy.cabi.net) - 163.164.160.253 if you have trouble as something got crap into the DNS for a while. The dream is to stick the main board and batteries on top of a 2.5" disk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 11:30:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA15155 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:30:12 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 45573 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <163-21890>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:29:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971348-272>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:28:05 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970877-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:27:50 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id LAA20806; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:23:09 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706121023.LAA20806@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM 7100/7500 To: dg@cogency.co.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:23:08 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <339FD944.87F@cogency.co.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at Jun 12, 97 11:11:00 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Have you looked at using a Xilinx to do the interfacing - possibly with > the head up display? I believe they do some 3.3V things now - although > they are difficult to get hold of. No but I know folks who use a lot of Xilinx bits > Do you have someone with a cheap PCB fab - its just that producing a > decent multilayer board nice and compact could cost as much as all the > bits. PC fab is going to be the problem, especially if we have to make it a multilayer board. > I like the look of that IBM palmtop - why have I never seen articles on > it? Its an IBM Japan only product - tho the slightly larger Toshiba Libretto which is pentium based gets a US launch soon. > Yes you could use a 2.5" disc; but the cost of memory is so low now and > Linux is so compact that it might be worth considering what you could do > with battery backed DRAM or FLASH. Probably less physical hastle, easier > to drive and you don't have a gyrascope strapped to your belt :-) Memory costs for a PDA are low - 8Mb battery backed is fine, but if its going to be a full functional linux box the 330Mb is about minimum IMHO. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 12:06:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA15413 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:06:10 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 799 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12820-21399>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:05:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972053-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:03:53 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971433-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:03:03 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wc7dN-00044V-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:01:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:01:41 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: gcc and aliases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO The problem with gcc not being able to generate aliases for a.out files turns out to be truly simple, and will be fixed in 2.8. Here's a quick patch against 2.7.2.2. With this it should be possible to build a working glibc. p. --- gcc-2.7.2.2/config/linux-aout.h.orig Thu Jun 12 11:59:23 1997 +++ gcc-2.7.2.2/config/linux-aout.h Thu Jun 12 11:59:10 1997 @@ -50,3 +50,5 @@ /* We need that too. */ #define HANDLE_SYSV_PRAGMA +#define SET_ASM_OP ".set" + From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 12:21:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA15525 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:21:30 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 25641 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <46-21399>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:16:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971130-272>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:15:10 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org ([131.111.193.104]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970877-272>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:14:54 -0400 Received: from localhost [::ffff:127.0.0.1] by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0wc7pw-0000As-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:14:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:14:40 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell To: linuxarm Subject: binutils 2.8.1.0.4 patch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO You need this patch to compile binutils 2.8.1.0.4 with arm-linuxaout support. It also makes '$' synonymous with '#' for introducing immediate constants, which fell through the cracks when I merged my last patches with HJ. Hopefully this will be in the next binutils beta release. p. diff -u --recursive clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/ChangeLog.linux binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/ChangeLog.linux --- clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/ChangeLog.linux Sat Jun 7 18:11:00 1997 +++ binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/ChangeLog.linux Thu Jun 12 02:53:42 1997 @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ +Thu Jun 12 02:53:25 1997 Philip Blundell + + * bfd-in2.h: regenerated. + Sat Jun 7 08:10:39 1997 H.J. Lu (hjl@gnu.ai.mit.edu) * cpu-arm.c (compatible, scan): @@ -11,10 +15,11 @@ From Russell King : * armlinux.c: New file. * config.bfd: add support for Linux/ARM. - * configure: regenerated. * configure.in: likewise. * targets.c: likewise. * hosts/armlinux.h: New file. + + * configure: regenerated. Fri Apr 11 22:24:12 1997 Geoff Keating diff -u --recursive clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/bfd-in2.h binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/bfd-in2.h --- clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/bfd-in2.h Sat May 31 20:35:55 1997 +++ binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/bfd-in2.h Thu Jun 12 02:10:30 1997 @@ -1817,6 +1817,12 @@ BFD_RELOC_SH_DATA, BFD_RELOC_SH_LABEL, +/* Thumb 23-, 12- and 9-bit pc-relative branches. The lowest bit must +be zero and is not stored in the instruction. */ + BFD_RELOC_THUMB_PCREL_BRANCH9, + BFD_RELOC_THUMB_PCREL_BRANCH12, + BFD_RELOC_THUMB_PCREL_BRANCH23, + /* Mitsubishi D10V relocs. This is a 10-bit reloc with the right 2 bits diff -u --recursive clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/libbfd.h binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/libbfd.h --- clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/libbfd.h Wed Apr 30 17:56:13 1997 +++ binutils-2.8.1.0.4/bfd/libbfd.h Thu Jun 12 02:10:31 1997 @@ -143,6 +143,9 @@ bfd * bfd_generic_openr_next_archived_file PARAMS ((bfd *archive, bfd *last_file)); +struct ar_hdr * bfd_special_undocumented_glue PARAMS ((bfd *, + const char *)); + int bfd_generic_stat_arch_elt PARAMS ((bfd *, struct stat *)); #define _bfd_read_ar_hdr(abfd) \ @@ -740,6 +743,9 @@ "BFD_RELOC_SH_CODE", "BFD_RELOC_SH_DATA", "BFD_RELOC_SH_LABEL", + "BFD_RELOC_THUMB_PCREL_BRANCH9", + "BFD_RELOC_THUMB_PCREL_BRANCH12", + "BFD_RELOC_THUMB_PCREL_BRANCH23", "BFD_RELOC_D10V_10_PCREL_R", "BFD_RELOC_D10V_10_PCREL_L", diff -u --recursive clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/binutils/ChangeLog.linux binutils-2.8.1.0.4/binutils/ChangeLog.linux --- clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/binutils/ChangeLog.linux Thu Jun 12 02:55:34 1997 +++ binutils-2.8.1.0.4/binutils/ChangeLog.linux Thu Jun 12 02:55:04 1997 @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +Thu Jun 12 02:54:18 1997 Philip Blundell + + * ar.c (bfd_special_undocumented_glue): keep in step with + libbfd.h. + \ No newline at end of file diff -u --recursive clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/binutils/ar.c binutils-2.8.1.0.4/binutils/ar.c --- clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/binutils/ar.c Wed Apr 30 17:59:03 1997 +++ binutils-2.8.1.0.4/binutils/ar.c Thu Jun 12 02:14:23 1997 @@ -52,7 +52,7 @@ /* Kludge declaration from BFD! This is ugly! FIXME! XXX */ struct ar_hdr * - bfd_special_undocumented_glue PARAMS ((bfd * abfd, char *filename)); + bfd_special_undocumented_glue PARAMS ((bfd * abfd, const char *filename)); /* Static declarations */ diff -u --recursive clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/gas/ChangeLog.linux binutils-2.8.1.0.4/gas/ChangeLog.linux --- clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/gas/ChangeLog.linux Sat Jun 7 18:11:01 1997 +++ binutils-2.8.1.0.4/gas/ChangeLog.linux Thu Jun 12 02:52:01 1997 @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ +Thu Jun 12 02:51:12 1997 Philip Blundell + + * config/tc-arm.c: make '$' a synonym for '#'. + Sat Jun 7 08:10:39 1997 H.J. Lu (hjl@gnu.ai.mit.edu) * config/tc-arm.c: add prototypes. @@ -37,5 +41,6 @@ From Russell King : * config/tc-arm.c: allow ';' to separate lines under Linux. * config/tc-arm.h: add support for Linux/ARM. - * configure: regenerated. * configure.in: likewise. + + * configure: regenerated. diff -u --recursive clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/gas/config/tc-arm.c binutils-2.8.1.0.4/gas/config/tc-arm.c --- clean/binutils-2.8.1.0.4/gas/config/tc-arm.c Sat Jun 7 18:11:02 1997 +++ binutils-2.8.1.0.4/gas/config/tc-arm.c Thu Jun 12 02:48:17 1997 @@ -1482,7 +1482,7 @@ while (**str == ' ') (*str)++; - if (**str != '#') + if (**str != '#' && **str != '$') { inst.error = "immediate expression expected"; return FAIL; @@ -1690,8 +1690,9 @@ if ((reg = reg_required_here (&str, 0)) != FAIL) ; /* Immediate expression */ - else if (*(str++) == '#') + else if (*str == '#' || *str == '$') { + str++; inst.error = NULL; if (my_get_expression (&inst.reloc.exp, &str)) { @@ -1720,6 +1721,7 @@ } else { + str++; inst.error = "Error: the other"; return; } @@ -2089,7 +2091,7 @@ *str = p; return SUCCESS; } - else if (*p == '#') + else if (*p == '#' || *p == '$') { inst.error = NULL; p++; @@ -2255,8 +2257,9 @@ else { /* Immediate expression */ - if (*((*str)++) == '#') + if (**str == '#' || **str == '$') { + (*str)++; inst.error = NULL; if (my_get_expression (&inst.reloc.exp, str)) return FAIL; @@ -2317,6 +2320,7 @@ return SUCCESS; } + (*str)++; inst.error = "Register or shift expression expected"; return FAIL; } @@ -2501,6 +2505,7 @@ switch (**str) { case '#': + case '$': (*str)++; if (my_get_expression (&inst.reloc.exp, str)) return FAIL; @@ -2967,7 +2972,7 @@ /* Allow optional leading '#'. */ while (*str == ' ') str++; - if (*str == '#') + if (*str == '#' || *str == '$') str++; if (my_get_expression (&inst.reloc.exp, &str)) @@ -3710,7 +3715,7 @@ return; } - if (*str == '#') + if (*str == '#' || *str == '$') { Rs = Rd; str++; @@ -3729,7 +3734,7 @@ Rn = Rs; Rs = Rd; } - else if (*str == '#') + else if (*str == '#' || *str == '$') { str++; if (my_get_expression (&inst.reloc.exp, &str)) @@ -3878,7 +3883,7 @@ return; } - if (*str == '#') + if (*str == '#' || *str == '$') { /* Two operand immediate format, set Rs to Rd. */ Rs = Rd; From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 21:45:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA19674 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:45:36 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 8297 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2414-21399>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:44:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972156-272>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:43:18 -0400 Received: from geocities.com ([204.7.246.135]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972162-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:38:35 -0400 Received: from spotts.UnitedKingdom.ncr.com ([135.136.21.54]) by geocities.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA28886 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33A05829.7194@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:12:25 +0100 From: Steve Potts Reply-To: steve_x@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Linux & Zip drives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Would it be possible to set up linux to run on a parallel port zip drive ??? I'm thinking about my A3010 with zip drive? Basically, all I'm after is a set of install discs/files which could be used on my machine. I don't have the time, facilities or knowledge to compile a system for myself though. Steve From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 22:42:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA20078 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:42:35 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 320 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15705-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:42:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971151-272>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:40:43 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970891-272>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:40:27 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wcHcD-0001Ul-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:41:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:41:09 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Steve Potts cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux & Zip drives In-Reply-To: <33A05829.7194@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Steve Potts wrote: > Would it be possible to set up linux to run on a parallel port zip drive > ??? As your main disk? Yes, but it would be deathly slow. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 23:29:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA20392 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:29:40 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 60742 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15638-7532>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:29:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971780-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:27:52 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971375-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:27:24 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:27:53 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Jun 97 23:27:04 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:08:51 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <779.199706122209@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:09:21 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jun 12, 97 00:35:20 am X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > It would be nice if people told us these things. Still, PPA is due for > another breakage soon. BTW, it won't work on pre-A5000 hardware unless > Russell has done something really evil to it (which I sincerely hope he > hasn't). The web pages are uptodate... And it is not modified in any functional way from the standard code. The only modification done to the code is to correct a bug in it that prevents it working! (How the hell does it work on the PC?) _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 23:31:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA20413 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:31:12 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 60742 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15429-7532>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:31:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971375-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:29:46 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970853-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:29:27 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wcINZ-0001ug-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:30:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:30:05 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Probs setting up the Config-file In-Reply-To: <779.199706122209@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > And it is not modified in any functional way from the standard code. The > only modification done to the code is to correct a bug in it that > prevents it working! (How the hell does it work on the PC?) That version doesn't - at least not very reliably. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 12 23:32:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA20416 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:32:16 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 60742 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15478-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:32:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971375-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:31:05 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970853-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:30:49 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:31:21 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Jun 97 23:30:13 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:30:30 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <862.199706122230@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: New supplemental disk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:30:58 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi. A new supplemental disk has been uploaded onto the FTP site to correct some fdisk-related problems (fdisk not recognising PartMan partitions). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 01:54:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA21448 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:54:52 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 45830 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15862-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:54:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970883-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:53:09 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970858-272>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:52:48 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-8.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.74]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02592 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:53:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:52:53 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Kernel problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi again, The new supplemental disk seemed to do the trick with my problem about Linux not being able to find my partitions :-)) But now I have another problem. Every time the computer is reset, the computer freezes. Also if I presses Ctrl-Alt-Delete to reboot RO, the computer crashes oozing a LOT of errors at me normally ending with 'killing interrupt handler' or something like that. Why does it do that? Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 03:41:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA22194 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:41:39 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 13912 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2695-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 05:41:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971388-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:39:16 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971376-268>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:38:45 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-100.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.124]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA21733 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:39:34 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Linux and RISC OS Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:37:53 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO When will the RISC OS front end of Linux be improved? At the moment it is totally unusable. Some instructions would be nice. the website is MOST unhelpful. I have downloaded all the stuff, BUT. the partition manager is playing up. I can get my drive to register (it's a 425Mb Conner on ICS IDEFS.) I have to type in the no. of cylinders (839, good, that's OK) But I cannot ADD / Delete / edit any partitions. I can't decompress the kernel. I have the StrongARM kernel. is it Gzipped? zipped? not compressed?! how can I tell? how do I decompress it? Etc. etc. If I could even _create a partition_ it would be nice..... -Ian -- Hawk Software HTTP://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ If at first you don't succeed.... Destroy all evidence you ever tried. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 09:49:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA24735 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:49:24 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 9233 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2536-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:49:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972170-268>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:47:35 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972118-268>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:47:04 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wcS1Z-0004P8-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:48:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:48:01 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Kernel problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > freezes. Also if I presses Ctrl-Alt-Delete to reboot RO, the computer crashes > oozing a LOT of errors at me normally ending with 'killing interrupt handler' or > something like that. > Why does it do that? Can you copy out the exact errors you get? p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 10:09:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA24879 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:09:29 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 14370 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15722-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:10:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970966-272>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 05:08:28 -0400 Received: from geocities.com ([204.7.246.133]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970874-272>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 05:08:12 -0400 Received: from spotts.UnitedKingdom.ncr.com ([135.136.21.54]) by geocities.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA15437 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33A10E1B.2C59@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:08:43 +0100 From: Steve Potts Reply-To: steve_x@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux & Zip drives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell wrote: > > Postage paid by: [Image] > Yes, that was what I wanted, I have no other option really. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Steve Potts wrote: > > > Would it be possible to set up linux to run on a parallel port zip drive > > ??? > > As your main disk? Yes, but it would be deathly slow. > > p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 11:56:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA25609 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:56:18 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 33914 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2396-7532>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:56:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972213-268>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:55:08 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972181-272>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:54:52 -0400 Received: from pc23-418 (pc23-418.but.auc.dk [130.225.56.168]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07119; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:49:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <33A125FE.1FE8@but.auc.dk> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:50:38 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Reply-To: 36jan@but.auc.dk Organization: Quercus X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Blundell CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Kernel problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell wrote: > > oozing a LOT of errors at me normally ending with 'killing interrupt handler' or > > something like that. > > Why does it do that? > > Can you copy out the exact errors you get? Uhm. That could be hard. I am talking about several screenfulls of errors. But if there is anyway to dump the errors to a file (on floppy), then I could probably attach them to a mail. But it would take hours to write them all down by hand and then enter them into a mail. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan/ Fidonet 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 12:06:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA25689 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:06:59 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 7433 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2937-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:06:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972209-268>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:04:23 -0400 Received: from development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.123.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972284-272>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:03:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (matthew@localhost) by development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk (8.8.Beta.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA20545 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:03:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:03:34 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Godbolt X-Sender: matthew@development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Weird HD problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Okey-doek - I've finally persuaded linux to install on my computer...after swapping my ARM710 for an ARM610 and disconnecting my slave IDE drive. This is a *bit* of a pain - as when I boot with the (larger) IDE drive connected, this is what I get : (vaguely - I had to copy it onto paper) Console: colour A-series 128x96x256 1 virtual console (max 63) Installed expansion cards: 0 : [0000:0003] Acorn Ether1 Calibrating delay loop...ok - 26.52 BogoMIPS Memory: 23040/24576K available (764k kernel, 36 reserved, 736k data) Swansea Uni etc etc IP etc etc Linux version 2.0.30 (src@raistlin) (gcc 2.7.2.2) #20 Sun May 18 16:15:36 BST 1997 Keyboard driver v1.00 Ramdisk: 16 of 4096K size hda: Conner Peripherals 540MB - CFS514A, 516MB w/0kb Cache, LBA, CHS=1048/16/63 hdb: Maxtor 71084A, 1036MB, w/64kw Cache, LBA, CHS=2105/16/63 _ Where the '_' on the last line is the now non-flashing cursor...the machine has hung completely. If I put the ARM710 in, the screen doesn't even clear and the 'Enter extra args : ' is left. When I disconnect the Maxtor (which is configured as slave) the machine boots into linux fine...until the console reaches about the 10th line - then the text fragments up. It looks to me (as a games programmer) like the table used to calculate the start-of-line addresses is being killed from about 13 lines down. Everything else seems to work fine, apart from this! Luckily I could install the whole she-bang by squinting and running the install parallel on a mates machine. I have a 24Mb machine with 1Mb of VRAM, the Acorn Ether1 card (uck) and nowt else too exciting bar the two drives which incidentally fight occasionally under Risc OS (one hangs for a few seconds before reporting a phantom disc error. Before anyone asks, yes, one is master, the other slave. For RPC owners: Another point to note - if your kernel hangs before reading the disc drive while booting from the root disc - then you may need to flick the tiny switch at the back of your disc drive. For some reason some RPCs were shipped with this switch in the wrong position, and Linux can't find the floppy drive, although somehow Acorn bodges RISC OS to find it ok. Hope this helps! Take care, Matt -==- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 12:13:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA25735 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:13:28 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 22035 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3021-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:13:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971084-268>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:12:08 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972263-268>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:11:51 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id MAA00996; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:12:21 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706131112.MAA00996@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS To: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:12:18 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Ian Molton" at Jun 13, 97 03:37:53 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > When will the RISC OS front end of Linux be improved? > At the moment it is totally unusable. > Some instructions would be nice. the website is MOST unhelpful. Good so write a new web site, and fix the riscos front end. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 13:59:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA26494 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:59:49 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 38499 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2570-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:00:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972329-268>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:58:00 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972312-272>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:55:34 -0400 Received: from benji (e2a01.uk.pi.net [194.73.79.197]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id NAA26455 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:54:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:45:22 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS Message-ID: <58c2969947@dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: Messenger v0.31 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) wrote: > When will the RISC OS front end of Linux be improved? > > At the moment it is totally unusable. Erm. Well, several of us are using it, so that can't be true ;) I expect it is slightly daunting if you don't follow the instructions. > Some instructions would be nice. the website is MOST unhelpful. ftp://ftp.arm.uk.linux.org/pub/armlinux/distrib/riscos/INSTALL (off the top of my head...) > I have downloaded all the stuff, BUT. > > the partition manager is playing up. > I can get my drive to register > (it's a 425Mb Conner on ICS IDEFS.) > > I have to type in the no. of cylinders (839, good, that's OK) > But I cannot ADD / Delete / edit any partitions. You need to prepare the disc with HForm first. See stages 8 & 9.1 through 9.9 of INSTALL. > I can't decompress the kernel. > I have the StrongARM kernel. is it Gzipped? zipped? not compressed?! Not compressed. > how can I tell? how do I decompress it? Try booting from it. >From INSTALL: 5 Perform this step if you wish to check that the kernel you have will run. (recommended) .. 5.3 Type: ADFS::0.$.!Linux -bootkernel ADFS::0.$.Kernel Where ADFS::0.$.Kernel is the kernel image you wish to use. HTH, Joseph -- Joseph Heenan email: esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk, joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 17:04:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA27855 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:04:38 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 14116 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15522-7532>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:04:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971262-272>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:02:02 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971206-268>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:01:46 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-107.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.137]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00646 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:02:41 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS References: <199706131112.MAA00996@snowcrash.cymru.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:48:16 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> When will the RISC OS front end of Linux be improved? At the moment it >> is totally unusable. Some instructions would be nice. the website is >> MOST unhelpful. > Good so write a new web site, and fix the riscos front end. Why should I? I would, IF I KNEW HOW TO! I may do just that, once I can get it to work at all and find out how it works... If anyone would like to tell me how to make partman work, I'd apprecite it. I may just write a website, once I get it all going. I know a few people who have dropped linux because they couldn't make it work... I intend to stick at it, but I need some help! -Ian -- Hawk Software HTTP://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ If at first you don't succeed.... Destroy all evidence you ever tried. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 18:11:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA28417 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:11:49 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 48414 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2130-7459>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:09:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971247-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:08:05 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971075-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:07:49 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-11.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.77]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10194 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:08:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:07:40 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Kernel problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <33A125FE.1FE8@but.auc.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri 13 Jun, Jan Magnussen wrote: > Philip Blundell wrote: > > > > oozing a LOT of errors at me normally ending with 'killing interrupt handler' or > > > something like that. > > > Why does it do that? > > > > Can you copy out the exact errors you get? > > Uhm. That could be hard. I am talking about several screenfulls of > errors. But if there is anyway to dump the errors to a file (on floppy), > then I could probably attach them to a mail. But it would take hours to > write them all down by hand and then enter them into a mail. One error that seems to come several times is: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 003c1000 Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 22:20:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA30231 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:20:42 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 45319 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2088-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:21:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971338-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:19:46 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971330-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:19:31 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-175.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.222]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA22532 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:19:58 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS References: <199706131112.MAA00996@snowcrash.cymru.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:30:44 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO More linux problems, I'm afraid... I've now found the instructions. I have got as far as partitioning the Harddisc. this is proving to be a pain in the arse. I have three discs. A quantum fireball 3.2Gb A conner CFS425A (420Mb) and a conner CFS210A (210Mb) What I would like to do is install the linux frontend (ie. !linux et al) on the Quantum, and devote ALL of the other two drives to linux. This would give me a 420Mb linux drive and a 210Mb swapdrive. Should I leave a Midget RO partition on the drives? will I get errors from the filer if there is no RiscOS partition? I intend to put the two linux drives on an ICS IDEFS based card. My ICS board is partition aware. (apparently) anyway. I put my 210Mb drive onto ADFS to use HForm on it (Hform only seems to work on ADFS) I ran Hform. I got stuck. I don't know how to shring the ADFS partition. do I set the drive as having fewer cylinders? anyway, after that (with or without the 'right' number of cylinders, I tried both) I ran !partman (after a complete reset) and tried to edit the partitions. I typed in ADFS (the drive is still on ADFS for the time being) I typed in 5 (it is drive 5, atm.) My drives info appeared, and this in the partitions box. Partition Start sector End sector Size Type 0 416479 203Mb Free Then I tried to create / edit partitions, wherupon, nothing happened. I could highlight the one partition that appeared, but I could not delete or edit it. I could not create a new partition either. HHHHEEEELLLLPPPP!!!! (it's driving me nuts!) -Ian -- Hawk Software HTTP://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ I like you but I wouldn't want to see you working with sub-atomic particles. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 22:29:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA30293 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:29:22 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 54037 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2359-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:30:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971330-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:29:00 -0400 Received: from zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk ([128.40.1.19]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971338-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:28:42 -0400 Received: by zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA08984; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:32:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:32:36 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: Ian Molton Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Ian Molton wrote: > More linux problems, I'm afraid... > > I've now found the instructions. Good move! > > I have got as far as partitioning the Harddisc. this is proving to be a > pain in the arse. > > I have three discs. > > A quantum fireball 3.2Gb > A conner CFS425A (420Mb) > and a conner CFS210A (210Mb) > > What I would like to do is install the linux frontend (ie. !linux et al) > on the Quantum, and devote ALL of the other two drives to linux. > > This would give me a 420Mb linux drive and a 210Mb swapdrive. > 210Mb swap is silly. As a rule, swap should be approx 2 or 3 times your RAM size. Also, I think that the swap and linux root partition should be on the same drive. > Should I leave a Midget RO partition on the drives? will I get errors from > the filer if there is no RiscOS partition? Probably a good idea > > I intend to put the two linux drives on an ICS IDEFS based card. > > My ICS board is partition aware. (apparently) > > anyway. > > I put my 210Mb drive onto ADFS to use HForm on it (Hform only seems to work > on ADFS) IDEFS should come with its own formatter... > > I ran Hform. > > I got stuck. I don't know how to shring the ADFS partition. do I set the > drive as having fewer cylinders? Yup. Leave heads, sectors the same, just change cylinders.... > > anyway, after that (with or without the 'right' number of cylinders, I tried > both) I ran !partman (after a complete reset) and tried to edit the > partitions. > > I typed in ADFS (the drive is still on ADFS for the time being) > I typed in 5 (it is drive 5, atm.) > > My drives info appeared, and this in the partitions box. > > Partition Start sector End sector Size Type > 0 416479 203Mb Free OK, you have no ADFS stuff on the drive. Try re-running hform with non-zero cylinders.... > > Then I tried to create / edit partitions, wherupon, nothing happened. > > I could highlight the one partition that appeared, but I could not delete > or edit it. > I could not create a new partition either. Tried double-clicking on free? That should do something.... You MUST follow the instructions in the file INSTALL to a tee, or you get stuffed.... > > HHHHEEEELLLLPPPP!!!! (it's driving me nuts!) > > -Ian > Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 13 23:17:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA30675 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:17:06 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 62772 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2183-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:17:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971338-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:15:07 -0400 Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.21]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971345-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:14:43 -0400 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:13:11 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/951211.SGI) id XAA14062; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:14:56 +0100 From: dah103@york.ac.uk Message-Id: <199706132214.XAA14062@tower.york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS To: hawk@zetnet.co.uk Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:14:55 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "hawk@zetnet.co.uk" at Jun 13, 97 12:48:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 IMAP PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO hawk@zetnet.co.uk wrote: > >> When will the RISC OS front end of Linux be improved? At the moment it > >> is totally unusable. Some instructions would be nice. the website is > >> MOST unhelpful. > > Good so write a new web site, and fix the riscos front end. > Why should I? Because you should. There is little point in attempting to install this version unless you know what you are doing, so writing new instructions on how to do so would be helpful for later new users of the OS. If you don't understanmd Unix (or at least Linux), you probably shouldn't be installing this release IMHO. Admittedly I haven't actually tried to install anything yet - I've been busy with exams and NFS (now V3... ;-) > I would, IF I KNEW HOW TO! Better. Good. > I may do just that, once I can get it to work at all and find out how it > works... That's the attidude: if you don't know, find out, then write some docs. so other people who don't know can find out... -- Dickon Hood. Due to Windoze NiceTry, my .sig is out of order. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible. We apologise for the inconvenience. This account expires on 040797, so spam sent after that will probably be bounced. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 02:57:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA32218 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 02:57:00 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 352 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2493-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:57:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977613-261>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:00:49 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971306-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:00:25 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wcgH2-0000FB-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:00:56 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:00:56 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Kernel problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 003c1000 The kernel tried to dereference a bad pointer. Can you see the EIP value that comes immediately after? p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 02:57:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA32224 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 02:57:09 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 352 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2117-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:58:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977580-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:55:51 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971306-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:55:35 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wcgC8-0000D3-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:55:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:55:52 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matt Godbolt cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Weird HD problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Matt Godbolt wrote: > switch at the back of your disc drive. For some reason some RPCs were > shipped with this switch in the wrong position, and Linux can't find the > floppy drive, although somehow Acorn bodges RISC OS to find it ok. RISC OS scans all the attached drives and assigns them numbers sequentially, whereas Linux has a fixed mapping between names and physical devices. It's not really a "bodge". p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 02:57:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA32230 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 02:57:41 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 352 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16324-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:58:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977596-261>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:04:06 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <977615-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:03:50 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wcgKM-0000FW-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:04:22 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:04:22 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Richard Townsend cc: linuxarm Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Richard Townsend wrote: > 210Mb swap is silly. As a rule, swap should be approx 2 or 3 times your > RAM size. Also, I think that the swap and linux root partition should be > on the same drive. You probably want 8-32MB swap for a 4MB machine, depending on what you want to do with it. There's no reason why root and swap should be on the same drive, and in fact you really want swap on a _different_ drive to any partitions you expect to access a lot, for performance reasons. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 03:03:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA32276 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:03:43 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 352 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15410-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 05:03:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977945-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:36:59 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <977943-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:36:28 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:35:28 +0100 Received: from nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Jun 97 23:18:16 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:34:28 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <438.199706131935@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS To: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:35:03 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Ian Molton" at Jun 13, 97 12:48:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ian Molton writes: > If anyone would like to tell me how to make partman work, I'd apprecite it. In addition to the instructions on the Web site, there is also a help file in PartMan, as per the standard RiscOS filer help. All the RiscOS tools contain a file .!Help. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 03:08:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA32314 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:08:35 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 42349 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2693-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 05:08:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971133-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:06:42 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971366-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:06:13 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-8.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.74]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11337 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:49:25 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:37:47 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Kernel problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <528.199706132043@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri 13 Jun, rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > What does your kernel version line say? > > It should say something like: > Linux version 2.0.30 (src@raistlin) (gcc version 2.7.2.2) #7 Sun Jun 8 22:36:34 BST 19 > 97 > Note the date! If it does not, please get the RiscPC kernel dated 08061997. This sho > uld > work correctly with resetting. The kernel version and date is the right one. I downloaded it this monday (9th). Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 03:09:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA32318 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:09:10 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 42349 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2483-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 05:09:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971178-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:07:28 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972190-257>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:06:14 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-8.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.74]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11335 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:49:23 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:47:11 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Kernel problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <680.199706132051@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri 13 Jun, rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > Something else just occured to me: > > You have two cards that I currently do not support. Every expansion card has > a software 'loader' that tells the OS how to load info off the card. Linux > uses this, but it appears that this loader is not as OS-independent as it > should be. This could be causing the problem. If possible, then you could > attempt to find out which card is causing the problem (by removing one). If > you let me know, then I can blacklist it so that Linux won't attempt to use > the loader. Ahh. I removed the IDEFS card when I gave up on it. It takes AGES to boot the card. I cannot remove the Powertec-card, as that is my main boot disk. This is also the drive from which I run Linux, and it would be too much trouble moving all the necessary software to the ADFS partition (it probably couldn't fit on the drive anyway). But if you blacklist the Powertec card, then I would be glad to report back if it works or not. Another thing. How do I copy the RPMs to the Linux partition for installation when I cannot get a command prompt? Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 11:24:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03005 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:24:15 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 26154 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2340-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:25:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971310-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:23:34 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971306-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:23:19 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-024.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.29]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23679 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:23:55 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS References: <199706132214.XAA14062@tower.york.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:43:02 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO dah103@york.ac.uk wrote: >> I may do just that, once I can get it to work at all and find out how >> it works... > That's the attidude: if you don't know, find out, then write some docs. > so other people who don't know can find out... I do try to do this. I'm trying to get my first taste of unix / linux here... -Ian -- Hawk Software HTTP://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ Smeg... I forgot to ask if there were any curry houses in Dallas....... From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 11:28:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03038 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:28:01 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 42285 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2836-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:28:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971310-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:27:35 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971306-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:27:20 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-024.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.29]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23865 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:27:56 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS References: <438.199706131935@raistlin.armlinux.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:27:49 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: >> If anyone would like to tell me how to make partman work, I'd apprecite >> it. > In addition to the instructions on the Web site, there is also a help > file in PartMan, as per the standard RiscOS filer help. All the RiscOS > tools contain a file .!Help. I know, but it won't behave itself :-( -Ian -- Hawk Software HTTP://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ I like you but I wouldn't want to see you working with sub-atomic particles. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 11:30:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03060 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:30:17 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 40495 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2783-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:31:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971310-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:29:49 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971306-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:29:34 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-024.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.29]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23992 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:30:16 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS References: <397.199706131920@raistlin.armlinux.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:30:07 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: >> I have downloaded all the stuff, BUT. >> the partition manager is playing up. I can get my drive to register >> (it's a 425Mb Conner on ICS IDEFS.) >> I have to type in the no. of cylinders (839, good, that's OK) But I >> cannot ADD / Delete / edit any partitions. > Have you backed up your hard drive, re-HForm'd it (or whatever), > restored it, and then run PartMan? Yes, but I can't do anything in Partman -Ian -- Hawk Software HTTP://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ We are Microsoft. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 11:35:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03104 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:35:18 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 561 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2762-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:36:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971318-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:34:49 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971306-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:34:34 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-024.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.29]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24230 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:35:17 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS References: <397.199706131920@raistlin.armlinux.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:35:03 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: >> Some instructions would be nice. the website is MOST unhelpful. > The web site is very helpful - I quote: > To install ARM Linux, you will need: > * The configuration utility. > * The boot loader. > * The partition manager. > * Initial installation disks. > * A precompiled kernel suitable for your machine. > * The floppy disk images. > * The RedHat RPMS. Funny quote... it doesn't even mention the RPMS. > Some installation notes are available on the RiscOS installation. I have got INSTALL now, but partman is stumping me. Now I know I also need RPMS. -Ian -- Hawk Software HTTP://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ There's only one god - but there's three of him!!! From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 11:40:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03154 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:40:57 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 35894 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2096-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:41:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971310-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:40:43 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971306-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:40:35 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-024.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.29]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24580 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:41:19 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS References: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:41:17 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell wrote: >> 210Mb swap is silly. As a rule, swap should be approx 2 or 3 times your >> RAM size. Also, I think that the swap and linux root partition should >> be on the same drive. > You probably want 8-32MB swap for a 4MB machine, depending on what you > want to do with it. There's no reason why root and swap should be on > the same drive, and in fact you really want swap on a _different_ drive > to any partitions you expect to access a lot, for performance reasons. Mmm. Okay... How about 420Mb linux 60Mb swap (other drive) the rest of other drive also linux? -Ian -- Hawk Software HTTP://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ You Embezzeled money? From the Nagus??? Father would be proud! From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 11:49:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03225 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:49:59 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 1853 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2940-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:50:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971310-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:49:23 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971306-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:49:08 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wcqOy-0001H6-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:49:48 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:49:47 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Ian Molton cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Ian Molton wrote: > Mmm. Okay... > How about 420Mb linux > 60Mb swap (other drive) > the rest of other drive also linux? That should be OK, though I still don't understand what you want to do with all that swap space. You machine will probably grind to a halt long before you use it all up. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 11:53:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03253 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:53:09 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 49470 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3038-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:54:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971310-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:52:52 -0400 Received: from zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk ([128.40.1.19]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971306-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:52:42 -0400 Received: by zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA00849; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:57:26 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:57:26 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: Philip Blundell Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Philip Blundell wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Ian Molton wrote: > > > Mmm. Okay... > > How about 420Mb linux > > 60Mb swap (other drive) > > the rest of other drive also linux? > > That should be OK, though I still don't understand what you want to do > with all that swap space. You machine will probably grind to a halt long > before you use it all up. Surely it depends on how much RAM is in the machine. If 32Mb, 60Mb is about right (too small, if anything).... Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 11:57:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA03282 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:57:10 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 8769 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15412-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:57:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971306-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:56:24 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971320-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:56:08 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wcqVj-0001Ib-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:56:47 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:56:47 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Richard Townsend cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Richard Townsend wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Philip Blundell wrote: > > > On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Ian Molton wrote: > > > > > Mmm. Okay... > > > How about 420Mb linux > > > 60Mb swap (other drive) > > > the rest of other drive also linux? > > > > That should be OK, though I still don't understand what you want to do > > with all that swap space. You machine will probably grind to a halt long > > before you use it all up. > > Surely it depends on how much RAM is in the machine. If 32Mb, 60Mb is > about right (too small, if anything).... No, you're thinking of BSD. Linux doesn't allocate swap space in parallel with RAM, so if you have 32MB of RAM and 60MB of swap you just have 92MB of virtual memory. I guess you could make a case for wanting that much swap, but I'd be surprised if you actually used it. Plenty of people run fine with only 60MB or so of virtual memory. My machines have about 50MB of RAM and about 200MB of swap - they occasionally run heavily into the swap space, but most of the time only around 2MB of it is used. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 12:33:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA03533 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:33:15 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32345 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2693-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:33:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971318-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:32:09 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971306-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:31:36 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wcr3q-0001SN-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:32:02 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:32:02 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: binutils 2.8.1.0.6 is released (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Here's the news. I think this version should work for arm-linuxaout, including the '$' thing. Please check it out; I'd like to hear reports of success or failure. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "H.J. Lu" To: drepper@ipd.info.uni-karlsruhe.de Cc: GNU C Library , Kenneth Albanowski , Kenneth Osterberg , ian@lasermoon.co.uk, Mat Hostetter , Andy Dougherty , Brian Bourgault , "John W. Christy" , Craig Groeschel , Warner Losh , Rob Farnum , Michael Meissner , Ron Guilmette , Thomas Roell , Craig Burley , John Polstra , Simon Shapiro , Galen Hazelwood , linuxgcc , David Engel Subject: binutils 2.8.1.0.6 is released > If you compile this new glibc version and you have binutils 2.8(.1) > you must change > > versioning = yes > > in config.make as determined by the configure script to > > versioning = no > > There are several `ld' patches necessary to build a working shared > object with versioning. There will hopefully be a binutils 2.8.2 > release but HJ will hopefully soon (he said within the next two days) > make a new snapshot for Linux. Those of you who you the daily > gas snapshots, the changes were checked in yesterday (Wednesday). > > OK, please make sure you follow this. Otherwise glibc will not build. > But even with the current `ld' version there are still some problems. > He don't have the time to trace this down in the next days but I also > didn't want to delay the patch. So, people honestly using glibc > should compile without versioning. (Not even `make check' succeeds > with versioning in the moment). With the larger group of people > having access to the versioning stuff I hope to get some help finding > the bugs. I currently know of two: > > - building test-float fails since a symbol is reported to be missing > though it is available in libc.so > > - sometimes libc.so is build without versioning information though the > --version-script option is given (strange) I have seen this error. I will try to track it down. H.J. --- This is the beta release of binutils 2.8.1.0.6 for Linux, which is based on the binutils 970612 snapshot plus Linux/ARM support and PowerPC/ELF fix. You also need libc 5.4.33 or above to use the precompiled binaries for libc 5 or glibc 2.0.4 or above to use the precompiled binaries for glibc 2. There are some changes to ARM. Please make sure Linux/ARM is still working. Also I'd like to know if PowerPC/ELF is really working now. Please also make sure it doesn't break anything else. Please report any bugs related to binutils 2.8.1.0.6 to hjl@gnu.ai.mit.edu. Changes from binutils 2.8.1.0.4: 1. Update from the binutils gas-970612. 2. More Ulrich's ELF versioning patches. 3. A minor ELF/PPC change. 4. Some Linux/ARM change. 5. The .set bug fix. 6. Some 64-bit clean patch. 7. An MMX opcode fix. Changes from binutils 2.8.1.0.3: 1. Update from the binutils gas-970607. 2. Ulrich's ELF version fix. 3. Geoff Keating's PowerPC/ELF fix. Needed for glibc. Changes from binutils 2.8.1.0.1: 1. Update from the binutils gas-970531. 2. Add Linux/ARM support. 3. Some Linux/Alpha change. IMPORTANT: The .plt format that the Alpha was using was not thread safe. So I changed it. The new format is *not* binary compatible with the old, thus you must use glibc 2.0.4 to get an ld.so that can understand it. Note that the new ld.so knows how to deal with the old .plt format, so old libraries will still work, but they should be relinked eventually for performance reasons. Please do remember to remove /usr/bin/encaps first. Please also remove /usr/bin/nm first, which may be a symbolic link in some Linux distributions. The file list: 1. binutils-2.8.1.0.6.tar.gz. Source code. 2. binutils-2.8.1.0.4-2.8.1.0.6.diff.gz. Patch against the previous beta source code. 3. binutils-2.8.1.0.6.bin.tar.gz. Precompiled Linux/x86 binaries for libc 5. 4. binutils-2.8.1.0.6-glibc.bin.tar.gz. Precompiled Linux/x86 binaries for libc 6 (glibc 2.0.2 or above). The primary ftp sites for the compiler/C library are tsx-11.mit.edu under pub/linux/packages/GCC and sunsite.unc.edu under pub/Linux/GCC. The beta directory is in private/tofu under the GCC directory. Most of my stuff can also be found at ftp://ftp.yggdrasil.com/private/hjl To install this package, please follow the procedure very closely. Please backup/save all the files you are instructed to delete and you should do gzip -dc binutils-2.8.1.0.6.bin.tar.gz | tar tvvf - or gzip -dc binutils-2.8.1.0.6-glibc.bin.tar.gz | tar tvvf - to see what is in there. Please do back up before you remove things. To install for libc 5, PLEASE DO 1. su root 2. cd / 3. rm -f /usr/bin/encaps /usr/bin/nm 4. gzip -dc binutils-2.8.1.0.6.bin.tar.gz | tar xvvf - To install for libc 6 (glibc 2.0.2 or above), PLEASE DO 1. su root 2. cd / 3. rm -f /usr/bin/encaps /usr/bin/nm 4. gzip -dc binutils-2.8.1.0.6-glibc.bin.tar.gz | tar xvvf - Now you have the new gas/binutils under /usr/bin and /usr/ix86-linuxaout/bin. You have to use /usr/ix86-linuxaout/bin/as and /usr/ix86-linuxaout/bin/ld -m i386linux if you want to use a.out as and ld directly. I have changed the target names for Linux/x86 and Linux/x86 (a.out) to ix86-linux and ix86-linuxaout respectively. The precompiled binaries are installed under /usr/ix86-linux and /usr/ix86-linuxaout. You should make appropriate symbolic links if you have a different name for the Linux/x86 target, like i586-unknown-linux. If you have an old linux library in the a.out format and you cannot obtain the newer version in the ELF format for whatever reason, you can try "objcopy --remove-leading-char" on the a.out library and see if it can link with your code in ELF. For Sybase client libraries, I did # cd sybase/lib # for f in *.a do objcopy --remove-leading-char $f done It seems to compile/link fine with libc 5.4.2x. But I don't know if it really works or not. The resulting binaries should work if the libc ABI used by the old library is unchanged in the new libc. According to Bruce Milner : Just a quick note about your example using objcopy for sybase. The sybase a.out libraries "are" dependent on a changed feature of the libc ABI. The ctype macros changed to a byte order independent format (little endian). In order to use the sybase libraries, one needs to rename the the ctype table variables in the sybase library files and link in an old version of the libc's "C-ctype.o ctype-info.o" files. thain@sunquest.sunquest.com put a ELF'ized version of these libraries on ftp://mudshark.sunquest.com/pub/ctlib-linux-elf Thanks. H.J. Lu hjl@gnu.ai.mit.edu 06/13/97 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 12:36:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA03553 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:36:23 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 48478 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2807-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:36:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971306-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:35:35 -0400 Received: from hillfoot.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.30.12]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971318-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:35:19 -0400 Received: from lms.student.gla.ac.uk (actually host gucs_student.cent.gla.ac.uk) by hillfoot.cent.gla.ac.uk with SMTP-GLA (PP); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:35:54 +0100 Received: from STUDENT_CC/SpoolDir by lms.student.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 Jun 97 12:35:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by STUDENT_CC (Mercury 1.30); 14 Jun 97 12:35:28 +0000 From: James Craig <9606585c@student.gla.ac.uk> Organization: Glasgow University To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:35:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1A29513284A@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > This would give me a 420Mb linux drive and a 210Mb swapdrive. > > > > 210Mb swap is silly. As a rule, swap should be approx 2 or 3 times your > RAM size. Also, I think that the swap and linux root partition should be > on the same drive. I don't know how well this applies to ARM as opposed to x86 linux (I can't get ARM Linux running on my A3000s (ARM3) since the watford A3000 IDE podules aren't supported, at the last check) but having the swap and the root partitions on seperate drives can actually increase performance, since there is no clash between accesses to the drive. Having the swap and root partitions seperate shouldn't cause any particular problems, unless they are very strange ARM-specific ones. I agree that 210Mb swap is *extremely* excessive, especially since I think there is still a kernel limit on the size of each swap-file/partiton that will be used. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 14:59:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA04562 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:59:14 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 16188 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2578-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:00:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971351-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:58:36 -0400 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.21]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971329-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:58:21 -0400 Received: from shaggle.demon.co.uk ([194.222.119.8]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0503307; 14 Jun 97 14:53 BST Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:58:36 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Park Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Shaggle International X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat 14 Jun, Ian Molton wrote: > rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > >> I have to type in the no. of cylinders (839, good, that's OK) But I > >> cannot ADD / Delete / edit any partitions. > > > Have you backed up your hard drive, re-HForm'd it (or whatever), > > restored it, and then run PartMan? > > Yes, but I can't do anything in Partman Partman doesn't co-operate for me either. I've followed the instructions (as far as they go) and it refuses to allow me to add/edit partitions. Some definite step-by-step clarification is required here, methinks. -- Dave Park mailto:dave@shaggle.demon.co.uk Researcher: The UK CompuServe Book Me: Roadkill on the highway of life From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 16:44:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA05313 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:44:33 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32636 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2359-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:45:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971387-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:43:48 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971374-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:43:33 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-7.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.73]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13251; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:44:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:43:15 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Kernel problems To: Philip Blundell Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat 14 Jun, Philip Blundell wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > > > Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 003c1000 > > The kernel tried to dereference a bad pointer. Can you see the EIP value > that comes immediately after? Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 003c100 current->tss.memmap = 10004000 *pgd = 00000000, *pmd = 00000000 Internal error: Oops: 0 CPU: 0 pc : [] lr : [] sp : c00c2f24 ip : c0145eb0 fp : e03c0000 .... Sorry no EIP value. I hope this is enough. Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 16:44:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA05317 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:44:43 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32636 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2864-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:45:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971374-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:44:07 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971369-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:43:33 -0400 Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-7.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.73]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13249 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:44:17 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:20:43 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Kernel problems To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <609.199706140851@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat 14 Jun, rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > Jan Magnussen writes: > > Ahh. I removed the IDEFS card when I gave up on it. It takes AGES to boot the > > card. > > Did Linux take ages to boot with this card in? No. Only on RO (And the ages lasted 20-25 secs.). I autodetects my HDs on the IDEFS card. And that apparently takes some time. > > I cannot remove the Powertec-card, as that is my main boot disk. This is also > > the drive from which I run Linux, and it would be too much trouble moving all > > the necessary software to the ADFS partition (it probably couldn't fit on the > > drive anyway). But if you blacklist the Powertec card, then I would be glad to > > report back if it works or not. > > Ok, will do. I've also now been able to give the ICS driver the correct podule > IDs, thanks to your kernel messages you sent me ;) The next version of Linux > should recognise your ICS card, but whether it'll work... (since it is untested). Where can I find the new kernel then? Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 16:45:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA05336 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:45:22 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32636 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2554-15096>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:46:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971329-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:44:55 -0400 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971369-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:44:40 -0400 Received: from treblig.demon.co.uk ([194.222.210.232]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007863; 14 Jun 97 16:40 BST Message-ID: <33A2BAC0.460C7837@treblig.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:37:36 +0100 From: Dave Gilbert Organization: The Treblig organisation (U.K.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.1.42 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Linux/ARM - Old Arc status report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I thought I'd just let people know the state of Linux on the old Arcs. 1) It does work - my A440/1 is sitting next to me grinding gently 2.0.30 - its presently net booting off my PC over an Ether1. About an hour ago it ran the installation program off floppy but since I don't have the rest of the installlation sets here it couldn't do much more than ask me for silly things like IP addresses and whether I had a colour monitor. 2) Thre are a few things which need work: a) The floppy code needs cleaning up, and in particular at the moment it can only do 720K floppies - a bit of a pain. b) The MFM drivers work but they are a bit slow. c) No work has been done on serial or parallel on the old machines. d) It probably doesn't work above 8MB of RAM (aka juicy R260) 3) I have written an Archimedes emulator which used to boot earlier versions of ARM Linux and needs a little work to boot current versions; when I get that sorted you can have it running in a window on another Linux box. Pointless but fun. 4) I haven't had much time to work on it lately - but since I'm now working rather than doing a PhD I now have >MORE< time to do it (although I've got to clean up my PhD ready for submission which will eat some hack time). If I'm really lucky a couple of R260's (=A540's) will be thrown in my direction in the next couple of months - possibly I'll be able to put one together with 12MB which will make things interesting. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------- Man can not live - David Alan Gilbert - gro.gilbert @ treblig.org ---- by bread alone. He ---------------------------------------------------- needs chocolate. - From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 14 20:46:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA06418 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:46:26 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 35123 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2344-7214>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:47:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970899-257>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:45:31 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970919-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:45:11 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-177.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.225]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18374 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:45:53 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux and RISC OS References: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:45:35 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dave Park wrote: >>>> I have to type in the no. of cylinders (839, good, that's OK) But I >>>> cannot ADD / Delete / edit any partitions. >>> Have you backed up your hard drive, re-HForm'd it (or whatever), >>> restored it, and then run PartMan? >> Yes, but I can't do anything in Partman > Partman doesn't co-operate for me either. I've followed the instructions > (as far as they go) and it refuses to allow me to add/edit partitions. > Some definite step-by-step clarification is required here, methinks. I am not alone! From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jun 15 00:47:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA07497 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:47:33 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 41838 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2760-19986>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 02:48:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971230-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:46:48 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971084-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:46:33 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wd2XX-0004QA-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:47:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:47:27 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Kernel problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > On Sat 14 Jun, Philip Blundell wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > > > > > Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 003c1000 > > > > The kernel tried to dereference a bad pointer. Can you see the EIP value > > that comes immediately after? > > Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 003c100 > current->tss.memmap = 10004000 > *pgd = 00000000, *pmd = 00000000 > Internal error: Oops: 0 > CPU: 0 > pc : [] > lr : [] > sp : c00c2f24 ip : c0145eb0 fp : e03c0000 > .... > > Sorry no EIP value. I hope this is enough. Oh right, the PC value is the same thing. Now all we need to do is find the map file for that kernel, which hopefully Russell has provided, and we can see where it goes wrong... p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jun 15 00:48:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA07501 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:48:30 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 41838 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2210-16579>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 02:49:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971230-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:48:02 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971084-261>; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:47:47 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wd2Yc-0004QP-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:48:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:48:34 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Dave Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Linux/ARM - Old Arc status report In-Reply-To: <33A2BAC0.460C7837@treblig.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Dave Gilbert wrote: > c) No work has been done on serial or parallel on the old machines. Don't worry too much about parallel. I'll do that as part of the 2.1 parallel-code rewrite and we can backport it if need be. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jun 15 21:01:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA12476 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:01:51 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 53527 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2174-16579>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:02:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971545-236>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:01:16 -0400 Received: from development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.123.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971519-236>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:01:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (matthew@localhost) by development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk (8.8.Beta.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA22603 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:02:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:02:45 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Godbolt X-Sender: matthew@development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: New kernel seems to be working a bit better Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO After Russell kindly pointed out to me I was using an old kernel, a few more problems on my system have cleared up, viz: * By specifying the line 'ide0=0x1f0,0x3f9,9' in the extra args bit the kernel now boots with both my hard drives plugged in. Without this line it still hangs...but I can live with this! * This kernel still doesn't like my ARM710 - am I doing someting silly? * As soon as the screen scrolls the lines become broken up, until I have scrolled another screenful at which point they 'flick' back to normal again. Is it possible the kernel thinks I have 2Mb of VRAM and is not calculating the start of screen address properly, or that it isn't hardware scrolling quite right? Hope this helps anoyone with similar hard disc related problems! Take care, Matt -==- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jun 15 23:50:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA13221 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:50:39 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 41807 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2830-9504>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:51:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971573-240>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 18:50:19 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971592-240>; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 18:50:01 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:50:26 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jun 97 23:49:36 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:41:01 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <2091.199706152041@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: EtherB card under ARM Linux To: thomas.down@trinity.oxford.ac.uk (Thomas Down) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:41:30 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Thomas Down" at Jun 15, 97 01:56:48 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thomas Down writes: >... > very far at all. My best guess is: > > i = 0; > > do { > /* Probe code */ > } > while(i < MAX_ECARDS); > > elsewhere (can't remember exact file offhand), MAX_ECARDS is being > #defined as 8. The value of 'i' is actually irrelevent in terms of the slot number. Usually the card will be detected with i == 0 (the first card that is found matching the IDs). Hence the code is correct. In your later mail: > Looking some more at the ether3 driver, I get the impression that there > is a call to ecard_startfind missing from the init_module function... Yep - you're quite right. I'll update the boot disk asap. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 11:44:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA16800 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:44:26 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32057 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15569-26433>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:38:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971633-240>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:36:15 -0400 Received: from mailhost.cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.33]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971697-240>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:34:50 -0400 Received: from man05 ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA09097; Mon, 16 Jun 97 11:36:50 GMT Message-Id: <33A524F0.3FE2@cogency.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:35:12 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: StrongARM/PCI (lack of) news Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I've just been on the phone to Digital and the situation with StrongARM/PCI is thus: 1) The Ebsa 285-01 StrongARM PCI development cards won't be out until September/October. Bummer! 2) The StrongARM/NC doesn't use the 21285 PCI interface - even the version with PCI; apparently it uses some Cirrus chipset. 3) The StrongARM/NC isn't available yet and will only be made available to large OEM's initially. 4) When things eventually do become available you'll have to buy via a distributor; e.g. Eurodis Bytech - I've got a contact name for them. They won't be too happy selling to individuals at a guess but they should do it. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 12:17:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA17000 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:17:56 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 48478 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2510-26433>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:16:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971604-240>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:15:26 -0400 Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.13]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971046-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:15:10 -0400 Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) id 0wdYqX-0003MT-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:17:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:17:13 +0100 (BST) From: "Neil A. Carson" X-Sender: neil@fm3 Reply-To: "Neil A. Carson" To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, Carson@rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk Subject: Re: StrongARM/PCI (lack of) news In-Reply-To: <33A524F0.3FE2@cogency.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > 1) The Ebsa 285-01 StrongARM PCI development cards won't be out until > September/October. Bummer! That doesn't of course mean that nobody's going to develop for the damn thing before then! It should be more than possible to get hands on boards before then. > 2) The StrongARM/NC doesn't use the 21285 PCI interface - even the > version with PCI; apparently it uses some Cirrus chipset. Well, it effectively sits the StrongARM on a VESA-local-bus, and pops a VESA->PCI bridge on the end. This is where its flexibility comes from -it can do ISA, VLB and PCI all at once whilst still beoing very cheap. > 3) The StrongARM/NC isn't available yet and will only be made available > to large OEM's initially. Yep, but a lot of large OEMs will be selling the thing dirt cheap. -- Neil A. Carson Marketing Director Causality Limited (London, UK) Tel/Fax: +44 (0)181 930 7408 Mobile: +44 (0)370 593183 Email: neil@causality.com WWW: http://www.causality.com. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 12:20:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA17009 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:20:00 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 47203 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2053-9504>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:19:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971609-240>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:17:48 -0400 Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk ([194.154.62.72]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971046-240>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:17:32 -0400 Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wdZnc-00027G-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:18:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:18:15 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM/PCI (lack of) news In-Reply-To: <33A524F0.3FE2@cogency.co.uk> Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I've just been on the phone to Digital and the situation with >StrongARM/PCI is thus: > >1) The Ebsa 285-01 StrongARM PCI development cards won't be out until >September/October. Bummer! > >2) The StrongARM/NC doesn't use the 21285 PCI interface - even the >version with PCI; apparently it uses some Cirrus chipset. > >3) The StrongARM/NC isn't available yet and will only be made available >to large OEM's initially. > >4) When things eventually do become available you'll have to buy via a >distributor; e.g. Eurodis Bytech - I've got a contact name for them. >They won't be too happy selling to individuals at a guess but they >should do it. I don't know what the product number is but there are definately developer boards available. At worst you can get them for a notional $1500 but it's really by negotiation based on what you are planning on developing with $1500 an unusual figure to pay. Continuous revision of the board will occur to drive more and more features being available as sensible options on NS like devices - I think we're up to revision 5 or some such so far. Manar From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 12:27:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA17047 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:27:36 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 54121 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2350-9504>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:26:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971046-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:24:29 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971609-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:24:13 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id MAA18415; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:22:56 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706161122.MAA18415@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: StrongARM/PCI (lack of) news To: dg@cogency.co.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:22:55 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <33A524F0.3FE2@cogency.co.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at Jun 16, 97 11:35:12 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > 2) The StrongARM/NC doesn't use the 21285 PCI interface - even the > version with PCI; apparently it uses some Cirrus chipset. That doesnt suprise me at all. There isnt a lot of logic to using something as expensive as PCI in a toybox computer. If you look at other ARM (non strongarm) embedded/NC units they have either a simple muxed bus or cut down ISA (as in the Cirrus 75xx). Cirrus [as crystal] also make a single chip network controller (RAM etc onboard) that is pseudo ISA, and modems in the same form. Most likely then they'd use the Cirru ISAish interface. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 12:47:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA17139 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:47:57 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 3076 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2266-26433>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:46:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971046-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:44:52 -0400 Received: from mailhost.cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.33]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971376-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:44:36 -0400 Received: from man05 ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA09169; Mon, 16 Jun 97 12:46:13 GMT Message-Id: <33A53535.264C@cogency.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:44:37 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: PSION 5 launch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, www.psion.com has now been updated to contain the info on the Psion Series 5. Basic specs: ARM 7100 VGA res (width) screen Pen+keyboard (the keyboard has some hinging in it by the looks of it - not quite as snazzy as the fold out IBM Thinkpad - but certainly more wacky than the Series 3). 4 or 8MB internally - space for upto 10MB more (as Flash?) Now - does someone want to contact Psion and ask them for info on porting Linux to it? (8MB RAM + 10MB Flash is enough for the basics surely - especially with some compression) Dave P.S> Since they still don't have their network connectivity sorted it might be useful to Psion! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 13:20:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA17384 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:20:02 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 23597 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2187-9504>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:17:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971046-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:16:13 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971376-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:15:57 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id NAA19033; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:14:54 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706161214.NAA19033@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: PSION 5 launch To: dg@cogency.co.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:14:51 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <33A53535.264C@cogency.co.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at Jun 16, 97 12:44:37 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Series 5. Basic specs: > ARM 7100 > VGA res (width) screen > Pen+keyboard (the keyboard has some hinging in it by the looks of it - > not quite as snazzy as the fold out IBM Thinkpad - but certainly more > wacky than the Series 3). > 4 or 8MB internally - space for upto 10MB more (as Flash?) > > Now - does someone want to contact Psion and ask them for info on > porting Linux to it? (8MB RAM + 10MB Flash is enough for the basics > surely - especially with some compression) The real question IMHO is how many of the 7100 GPIO pins are free and could be wired off the unit, or does it have a parallel port. If so welding an IDE disk to one shouldnt be a problem. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 13:46:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA17596 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:46:12 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 15421 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2881-26433>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:43:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971376-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:42:05 -0400 Received: from mailhost.cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.33]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971046-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:41:31 -0400 Received: from man05 ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA09196; Mon, 16 Jun 97 13:43:46 GMT Message-Id: <33A542B3.89@cogency.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:42:11 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Cox Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: PSION 5 launch References: <199706161214.NAA19033@snowcrash.cymru.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO It can drive a parallel printer and I suspect some munging of the cardflash expansion thingy could also provide enough I/O. Of course you'd have to drop back to one of the little HP Kittyhawk 1.8" drives - no sense in having a great big wapping 2.5" disc. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 13:47:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA17605 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:47:46 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 8512 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2129-9504>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:46:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971630-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:44:37 -0400 Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.13]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971635-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:44:21 -0400 Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) id 0wdaF7-0003sj-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:46:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:46:41 +0100 (BST) From: "Neil A. Carson" X-Sender: neil@fm3 Reply-To: "Neil A. Carson" To: Alan Cox cc: David Alan Gilbert , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, Carson@rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk Subject: Re: StrongARM/PCI (lack of) news In-Reply-To: <199706161122.MAA18415@snowcrash.cymru.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Alan Cox wrote: > That doesnt suprise me at all. There isnt a lot of logic to using something > as expensive as PCI in a toybox computer. If you look at other ARM (non > strongarm) embedded/NC units they have either a simple muxed bus or cut down > ISA (as in the Cirrus 75xx). Cirrus [as crystal] also make a single chip > network controller (RAM etc onboard) that is pseudo ISA, and modems in the > same form. Most likely then they'd use the Cirru ISAish interface. No, it's fundamentally VLB-based, which alows lots of cheap peripherals that way. Then if you want PCI you just stick the VLB->PCI bridge on the end. I can see some situations where PCI may be useful. N. -- Neil A. Carson Marketing Director Causality Limited (London, UK) Tel/Fax: +44 (0)181 930 7408 Mobile: +44 (0)370 593183 Email: neil@causality.com WWW: http://www.causality.com. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 13:57:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA17643 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:57:28 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 29000 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2275-26433>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:55:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971046-236>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:54:16 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971630-240>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:54:00 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id NAA19595; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:54:33 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706161254.NAA19595@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: PSION 5 launch To: dg@cogency.co.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:54:22 +0100 (BST) Cc: alan@cymru.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <33A542B3.89@cogency.co.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at Jun 16, 97 01:42:11 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > It can drive a parallel printer and I suspect some munging of the > cardflash expansion thingy could also provide enough I/O. Ok a parallel port and about 4 74xx chips will do IDE ;) > Of course you'd have to drop back to one of the little HP Kittyhawk 1.8" > drives - no sense in having a great big wapping 2.5" disc. The 1.8 drives are very expensive. At 2.5" they are much cheaper and go up to about 810Mb From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 16 20:10:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA19349 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:10:59 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 46392 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15784-9504>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:10:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971804-311>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:08:20 -0400 Received: from development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.123.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971749-307>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:04:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (matthew@localhost) by development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk (8.8.Beta.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA23215 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:23:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:23:12 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Godbolt X-Sender: matthew@development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: New kernel seems to be working a bit better In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Matt Godbolt wrote: [snip - all sorts of rubbish ;)] > > * This kernel still doesn't like my ARM710 - am I doing someting silly? > > * As soon as the screen scrolls the lines become broken up, until I have > scrolled another screenful at which point they 'flick' back to normal > again. Is it possible the kernel thinks I have 2Mb of VRAM and is not > calculating the start of screen address properly, or that it isn't > hardware scrolling quite right? > I forgot to mention that I can't get my Ether1 card to work with the newest kernel - which is weird. I get a message 'Delaying eth0 initialisation' or similar just before the kernel goes into multi-user mode, but on an ifconfig -a I get only loopback. With the old kernel, the card works fine. Both kernels correctly detect the card on primary bootup. I'm back to using the old kernel, I'm afriad - although it can't find my swap partition at least I can NFS mount and export :) Take care, Matt -==- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 17 23:54:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA26284 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:54:12 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 11623 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15961-27232>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:52:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972363-311>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:50:43 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972340-307>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:47:06 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:43:37 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Jun 97 23:42:46 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:04:28 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1000.199706052302@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Image-files as Partitions To: 36jan@but.auc.dk (Jan Magnussen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:02:58 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Jan Magnussen" at Jun 4, 97 10:53:00 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Jan Magnussen writes: > On Wed 04 Jun, Philip Blundell wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > > > > > Is it possible to make image files work as partitions for ArmLinux? I > > > > Not reliably at the moment. The code exists, but I don't think it's > > tested and there may be holes in it. > > How do I make it work? It requires a partial re-write to take account of the page cache. It is currently known that if it is enabled, it will scribble all over your disk, so please don't try it out without fixing it! Are you able to read and code in C? How much do you know about the Linux kernel? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 17 23:56:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA26302 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:56:58 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 609 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16112-27232>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:51:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972340-311>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:49:13 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972345-307>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:47:18 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:43:47 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Jun 97 23:42:56 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:46:58 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <326.199706172147@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Armlinux To: sol@Space.WH1.TU-Dresden.De (Peter Teichmann), matthew@ilm.com (Matt Godbolt) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:47:27 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <73e4f9b47@aldebaran.wh1.tu-dresden.de> from "Peter Teichmann" at Jun 16, 97 09:54:35 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Peter Teichmann writes: > Btw, there seems to be something wrong with the display driver. If it begins > to scroll the display is totally scrambled and nothing can be read. Can that > be because I have only 1MB VRam ? Well, I have (I think) fixed the problem. It will require a new Linux loader as well as a new kernel. Both will be uploaded this comming weekend. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 18 07:36:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id HAA28160 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:36:26 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 48927 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15979-21916>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:36:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970887-307>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:34:58 -0400 Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk ([130.225.56.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971306-307>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:34:42 -0400 Received: from pc144-3-1 (pc144-3-1.but.auc.dk [130.225.56.146]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22580; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:35:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <33A7821F.63E0@but.auc.dk> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:37:19 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Reply-To: 36jan@but.auc.dk Organization: Quercus X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Image-files as Partitions References: <1000.199706052302@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > > > > Is it possible to make image files work as partitions for ArmLinux? I > > > > > > Not reliably at the moment. The code exists, but I don't think it's > > > tested and there may be holes in it. > > > > How do I make it work? > > It requires a partial re-write to take account of the page cache. It is > currently known that if it is enabled, it will scribble all over your disk, > so please don't try it out without fixing it! > > Are you able to read and code in C? How much do you know about the Linux > kernel? The answer to both questions is no and absolutely nothing:-( (Not yet anyway, but I'll be taking some lessons in C-programming at the next semester.) And about the Linux kernel: Does it support sound? Regards, Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan/ Fidonet 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 18 11:55:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA29198 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:55:15 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 5907 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2774-27232>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:48:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971310-311>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 06:46:17 -0400 Received: from ROSE.IPM.AC.IR ([194.225.70.70]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971329-311>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 06:46:02 -0400 Received: by ROSE.IPM.AC.IR (MX V4.1 VAX) id 21; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:17:22 +0330 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:17:20 +0330 From: mshar@vax.ipm.ac.ir To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: <009B5F83.2DCB3BC0.21@ROSE.IPM.AC.IR> Subject: DIPC (Distributed IPC) version 0.9.1 is available Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO From: mshar@vax.ipm.ac.ir (Kamran Karimi) Subject: DIPC (Distributed IPC) version 0.9.1 is available Organization: IUST (Iran University of Science & Technology) Keywords: distributed parallel programming multi computer Kernel IPC DSM WAN TCP/IP heterogeneous This is to announce that version 0.9.1 of DIPC (Distributed IPC) for Linux is available now. This release features some important bug fixes. DIPC can be used to build and program multi-computers. The file dipc-0.9.1.tgz, containing the complete source code and documents, can be obtained by anonymous ftp from sunsite.unc.edu, in /incoming/Linux, or in /pub/Linux/system/network/distrib/dipc. Alternatively, it can be downloaded from DIPC's web page: http://wallybox.cei.net/dipc Regards, Kamran Karimi From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 18 23:56:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA32197 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:56:21 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 58673 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2319-2482>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:55:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971589-307>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:53:42 -0400 Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.13]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971571-311>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:53:07 -0400 Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) id 0weShn-000051-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:55:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:55:55 +0100 (BST) From: "Neil A. Carson" X-Sender: neil@fm3 Reply-To: "Neil A. Carson" To: Charles Esson cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM/PCI (lack of) news In-Reply-To: <33A50AA9.8EB@cvs.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Charles Esson wrote: > Our plan is to start useing compact PCI for the backplane, have a > pci/pci bridge on each card with a local PCI bus on the card. > > We have not tested it, but on my reading of the spec. the local pci bus > can operate independenly of the backplane yet you could have the the > master cpu speaking to any chip that it has to. OPne of our clients is presently doing something similar to this, and there may be the chance of anOEM-type deal, if it's of any interest. If you are potentially interested, get in touch with me via e-mail about your application. -- Neil A. Carson Marketing Director Causality Limited (London, UK) Tel/Fax: +44 (0)181 930 7408 Mobile: +44 (0)370 593183 Email: neil@causality.com WWW: http://www.causality.com. From owner-help-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 19 11:07:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (we-refuse-to-spy-on-our-users@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02221 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:07:44 +0100 Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id CAA07520 for help-hurd-list; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:11:58 -0400 Received: from gulf.csc.UVic.CA by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with SMTP id CAA07511; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:11:46 -0400 From: qbradley@gulf.csc.UVic.CA Received: from thurlow.csc.UVic.CA by gulf.csc.UVic.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1-csc.UVic.CA) id AA13138; Wed, 18 Jun 97 23:11:43 PDT Message-Id: <9706190611.AA13138@gulf.csc.UVic.CA> Subject: Re: Hurd 0.2 accessing memory To: thomas@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell n/BSG) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: help-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <199706181843.OAA27757@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu> from "Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG" at Jun 18, 97 02:43:55 pm Reply-To: qbradley@gulf.csc.UVic.CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Status: RO > You open the device with device_open and then use device_map. With > the memory object that device_map returns you use vm_map to map it > into your address space. > > If you can't find Mach-specific code already in Xfree86 for this kind > of thing, then I will track down the source from CMU. I found the Mach-specific code, but I don't think it will do. It opens calls open("/dev/iopl",...), vm_allocate, and mmap. In Hurd, /dev/iopl does not exist, but there is some kind of "iopl" device for using device_open. So I thought, maybe I can just do something like device_open(...,"iopl",...), device_map, vm_map. Now, I am a little confused on this point. The code in question, as near as I can tell from the documentation and how it is called in other places, is attempting to map the video memory into the memory space of the program. However, iopl represents the intel I/O ports, doesn't it? Is the old "/dev/iopl" representing a different thing than the new gnumach1.1.3's "iopl" device? Anyway, I think I have all of X windows compiled except for the server itself. There is a wee directory full of OS specific code that needs to be written. I am trying to do this but not making quick progress. If anyone knows the following, I would greatly appreciate it... 1) How to map the address 0xA0000 (or whatever) in physical memory into the process space. 2) How to manipulate the console in such ways as to 2a) turn the cap lock and other led's on and off 2b) beep (I can write out a ctrl-G for this I guess) 3c) change key repeat, etc.. For number 2, code for other OS's have some special IOCTL's that they apply to the "/dev/console" device. Is there something equivalent under GNU Hurd? Any help greatly appreciated. Quetzalcoatl Bradley qbradley@csc.uvic.ca From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 19 13:23:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA02792 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:23:29 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 6689 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15914-30135>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:22:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971808-307>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:20:14 -0400 Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk ([192.84.78.5]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972477-307>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:19:07 -0400 Received: (from glyn@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA29390 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:10:03 GMT From: Glyn Davies Message-Id: <199706191310.NAA29390@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk> Subject: Digital NC Reference Design To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:10:03 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I've just grabbed the schematics for the Digital's StrongARM based NC, and there's a rather disturbing comment by the IDE interface: "Note: This IDE interface uses the ISA command pins directly therefore if TURBO mode is used (EIDE) other ISA peripherals may get confused. This should be tested and the restriction of only standard IDE modes may be imposed" So no mode 4 IDE ;-{ Also (I don't know enough about IDE) if we are limited to the 'standard modes' how large a disk can be added ? Cheers, Glyn PS - Anyone know of a source of cheap ARM based development cards ? -- Glyn D / http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~daviess / Manchester Computer Society ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Whom computers must destroy, they must first drive mad." -- fortune "What if everyone felt like that?" -- Catch 22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-bug-hurd@gnu.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 19 13:29:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (brnstnd@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.32]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA02820 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:29:55 +0100 Received: by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id HAA06363 for bug-hurd-list; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gnu-life.ai.mit.edu by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id HAA06360 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cathcart.sysc.pdx.edu by gnu-life.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with SMTP id HAA05029 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7423 invoked by uid 11105); 19 Jun 1997 11:14:38 -0000 To: Quetzalcoatl Bradley Cc: bug-hurd@prep.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: HURD: Bug in ufs [ext2fs problems too] References: From: marcus@cathcart.sysc.pdx.edu (Marcus G. Daniels) Date: 19 Jun 1997 04:14:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: Quetzalcoatl Bradley's message of Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Status: RO >>>>> "QB" == Quetzalcoatl Bradley writes: QB> Sometimes while compiling HUGE projects (like X windows), the QB> computer will suddenly reboot without warning Same here, but with ext2fs. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 19 13:37:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA02876 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:37:07 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 16177 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <827-2482>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:36:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971117-311>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:34:44 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971731-307>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:34:29 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wegQt-0000rK-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:35:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:35:23 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Glyn Davies cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Digital NC Reference Design In-Reply-To: <199706191310.NAA29390@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Glyn Davies wrote: > So no mode 4 IDE ;-{ Also (I don't know enough about IDE) if we are limited to > the 'standard modes' how large a disk can be added ? The `mode' just determines the transfer speed, it's nothing to do with the disk capacity. Disk size is purely a software issue. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 19 13:57:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA02958 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:57:27 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 34368 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <71-2482>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:57:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971734-307>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:54:52 -0400 Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk ([192.84.78.5]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971731-307>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:54:36 -0400 Received: (from glyn@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA30205; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:50:29 GMT From: Glyn Davies Message-Id: <199706191350.NAA30205@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Digital NC Reference Design To: pjb27@pobox.com (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:50:28 +0000 (GMT) Cc: glyn@compsoc.man.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Jun 19, 97 01:35:23 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Glyn Davies wrote: > > > So no mode 4 IDE ;-{ Also (I don't know enough about IDE) if we are limited to > > the 'standard modes' how large a disk can be added ? > > The `mode' just determines the transfer speed, it's nothing to do with the > disk capacity. Disk size is purely a software issue. > > p. > That's something anyway, shame about the speed limitation ;-[ Cheers, Glyn -- Glyn D / http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~daviess / Manchester Computer Society ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Whom computers must destroy, they must first drive mad." -- fortune "What if everyone felt like that?" -- Catch 22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 19 14:33:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA03145 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:33:25 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 35409 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2719-2482>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:30:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971633-311>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:28:34 -0400 Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.13]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971376-311>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:28:17 -0400 Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) id 0wegMz-0003pN-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:31:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:31:21 +0100 (BST) From: "Neil A. Carson" X-Sender: neil@fm3 Reply-To: "Neil A. Carson" To: Glyn Davies cc: Philip Blundell , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, Carson@rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk Subject: Re: Digital NC Reference Design In-Reply-To: <199706191350.NAA30205@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Don't worry, even in standard moe it'll hit 3meg/sec which isn't exactly bad for an NC :-) -- Neil A. Carson Marketing Director Causality Limited (London, UK) Tel/Fax: +44 (0)181 930 7408 Mobile: +44 (0)370 593183 Email: neil@causality.com WWW: http://www.causality.com. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 19 15:02:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA03312 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:02:38 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 5225 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2432-2482>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:02:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973857-307>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:59:04 -0400 Received: from mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk ([192.84.78.5]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973914-311>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:56:30 -0400 Received: (from glyn@localhost) by mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA31279; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:46:43 GMT From: Glyn Davies Message-Id: <199706191446.OAA31279@mrbounce.compsoc.man.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Digital NC Reference Design To: neil@causality.com Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:46:42 +0000 (GMT) Cc: glyn@compsoc.man.ac.uk, pjb27@pobox.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, Carson@rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk In-Reply-To: from "Neil A. Carson" at Jun 19, 97 01:31:21 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > Don't worry, even in standard moe it'll hit 3meg/sec which isn't exactly > bad for an NC :-) > Who said I wanted to use it as an NC :) Glyn -- Glyn D / http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~daviess / Manchester Computer Society ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Whom computers must destroy, they must first drive mad." -- fortune "What if everyone felt like that?" -- Catch 22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 19 23:07:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA05695 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:07:12 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 34651 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <159-18270>; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:07:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971814-311>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:05:03 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971810-307>; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:04:48 -0400 Received: from benji (oaktree.demon.co.uk [158.152.72.8]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id XAA05680 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:04:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:02:28 +0100 From: Joseph Heenan To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: crt0.o - solved, hopefully Message-ID: <93c7e09c47@dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk> Reply-To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: Messenger v0.31 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, If anyone else was struggling like I was at compiling a crt0.o, and hasn't sussed it out yet, grab crt0.o from: ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/arm/libc/static/crt0.0 Wish I spotted this before spending two evenings and a 4.5 meg download trying to compile my own ;-) It seems to be okay - hello world & a few others compile okay now, haven't tested it exhaustively! HTH someone, Joseph -- Joseph Heenan email: esuvf@csv.warwick.ac.uk, joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 20 21:19:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA11437 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:19:11 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 53782 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15757-26500>; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:18:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972284-307>; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:25:45 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.16]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973978-307>; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:16:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Chris Gilbert" To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:08:03 BST Subject: Installing arm linux X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, At the moment I'm planning to install arm linx, I see from the web pages that you can not install them from floppy drive, however the web pages say you can use zip drives with an rpc. So my question is: Can I install arm-linux from a ms-dos formatted zip drive? Also which are the main rpms I need to get, as I don't expect everyone to be needed and so don't wish to waste space on the zip (ie the zip drive just filled up and hasn't ftp'd everything) Thanks, Chris PS I hope this hasn't been asked before, I only joined the list, mainly to see how linux performs against riscbsd. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 21 00:55:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA12473 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 00:55:53 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 58720 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15722-21535>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:54:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972345-307>; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:51:56 -0400 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.47]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972310-307>; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:51:39 -0400 Received: from zetnet (hawk@man-170.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.216]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA23536 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 00:53:17 +0100 From: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Organization: Hawk Software Message-ID: To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Installing arm linux References: Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 00:53:10 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ayone want to help me with this goddamn partitioning problem? -Ian -- Hawk Software HTTP://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hawk/ Huh. It MIGHT happen... From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 21 10:58:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA14835 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:58:50 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 65080 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2221-13498>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:51:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970887-307>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 05:49:22 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970821-311>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 05:49:07 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:51:09 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Jun 97 10:50:18 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:23:27 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <437.199706201924@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: crt0.o - solved, hopefully To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:24:09 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <93c7e09c47@dial1221.dialup.warwick.ac.uk> from "Joseph Heenan" at Jun 19, 97 11:02:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Joseph Heenan writes: > If anyone else was struggling like I was at compiling a crt0.o, and > hasn't sussed it out yet, grab crt0.o from: > > ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/arm/libc/static/crt0.0 > > Wish I spotted this before spending two evenings and a 4.5 meg > download trying to compile my own ;-) > > It seems to be okay - hello world & a few others compile okay now, > haven't tested it exhaustively! >From tomorrow (Late Saturday) onwards, this will no longer be required since the FTP site will be up to date, with this problem fixed. Sorry it's taken so long, but that's the post for you! I actually sent the disks containing >10MB of problem-solving RPMs last Friday. Again, sorry, but this is crt0.o is a little 'redundant' now... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 21 11:05:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA14866 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:05:01 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 30787 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3040-13498>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:05:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970901-311>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 06:03:01 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970821-307>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 06:02:46 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:04:45 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Jun 97 11:03:57 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:04:20 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <448.199706211005@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: New RPMS on line To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:05:02 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all. The new RPMs (from last Friday) are now on line. The upgraded RPMS are: X11-6.0-1a3.arm.rpm X11-apps-6.0-1a3.arm.rpm X11-fonts-6.0-1a3.arm.rpm X11-utils-6.0-1a3.arm.rpm arm-aout-libs-devel-4.6.27-1a5.arm.rpm expect-5.22-3a1.arm.rpm _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 21 11:08:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA14883 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:08:14 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 30787 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2146-21535>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:04:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970821-307>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 06:01:46 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970887-307>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 06:01:15 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:02:41 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Jun 97 11:01:51 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:02:13 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <434.199706211002@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Installing arm linux To: hawk@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Molton) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:02:54 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Ian Molton" at Jun 21, 97 00:53:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ian Molton writes: > Ayone want to help me with this goddamn partitioning problem? Can you give as much information as possible. There is very little to go on in your previous mail. Information such as what PartMan is displaying, where your drive is connected (to the motherboard or, for example, a RapIDE card). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Jun 21 21:36:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA17701 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:36:09 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 24335 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2326-13498>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 23:36:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972302-311>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:33:34 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <973919-311>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:32:48 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:31:31 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Jun 97 21:30:42 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:31:03 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <328.199706212031@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: crt0.o - solved, hopefully To: jogu@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Joseph Heenan) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:31:46 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199706211502.QAA16241@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Joseph Heenan" at Jun 21, 97 04:02:40 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Joseph Heenan writes: > Not quite yet ;-) > Any chance you can change the permissions on the new rpm's so > they're readable? Oops! It's been fixed now! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jun 22 18:11:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA23006 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 18:11:49 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 35409 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2698-12163>; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:12:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970928-311>; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:09:48 -0400 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.136]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971848-307>; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:09:28 -0400 Received: from afawcett.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.48]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001659; 22 Jun 97 17:27 BST Received: from [127.0.0.1] by afawcett.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 16:03:27 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 16:28:58 +0100 From: Andy Fawcett To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Installing arm linux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <434.199706211002@raistlin.armlinux.org> Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!) X-Mailer: Messenger v0.30 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-23 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message <434.199706211002@raistlin.armlinux.org> rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > Ian Molton writes: > > Ayone want to help me with this goddamn partitioning problem? > > Can you give as much information as possible. There is very little to > go on in your previous mail. Information such as what PartMan is > displaying, where your drive is connected (to the motherboard or, > for example, a RapIDE card). I've been having the same sort of problem with the partitioning software. My setup is an A5000 with an ICS Wizzo Rom fitted. If I format the drive as IDEFS, using the ICS formatter, The partition manager can't find the correct information about the Filecore partition (it simply doesn't show up), and the free space. When I format it to ADFS (remember, this uses the same interface, it's just a different FS), the partition manager can find the correct information... Now, this in itself would be fine, but my second drive is 1gig and needs partitioning for RiscOS, so I need it to be configured for IDEFS... Would it be possible to look at the code for handling IDEFS? -- Andy Fawcett a.f.p. recipes (recipe-serv@lspace.org) http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/ send mail with subject 'send index' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is it a game of chance? Not the way I play it. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 23 13:18:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA27955 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:18:20 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 33340 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15776-2140>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:17:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971422-311>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:13:49 -0400 Received: from server21.digital.fr ([193.56.15.21]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971233-311>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:13:33 -0400 Received: from mail.vbo.dec.com (mail.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.34]) by server21.digital.fr (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29728; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:23:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from vbormc.vbo.dec.com (vbormc.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.94]) by mail.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25846; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:16:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from linux.reo.dec.com (linux.reo.dec.com [16.36.0.79]) by vbormc.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11632; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:58:59 +0200 Received: from linux.reo.dec.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linux.reo.dec.com (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA01410; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:15:40 GMT Message-Id: <199706231315.NAA01410@linux.reo.dec.com> To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM/PCI (lack of) news In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:35:12 GMT." <33A524F0.3FE2@cogency.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:15:40 +0000 From: David A Rusling Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO All, ok, couldn't resist this as it is my job to run the software team for the EBSA-285 which we're developing in Reading. > Hi, > I've just been on the phone to Digital and the situation with > StrongARM/PCI is thus: > > 1) The Ebsa 285-01 StrongARM PCI development cards won't be out until > September/October. Bummer! > That is correct. We're working on the boards(s) now; there are two, a passive PCI backplane and the EBSA-285 which contains an SA-110 and the DECchip 21285 PCI support chip (as announced). The EBSA-285 can run either as the bus master or as an intelligent device or standalone on the bench. The EBSA-285 is about a 2/3 length PCI card in size. We are doing this in two phases. Phase 1 which we're in involves building only a few boards and getting those boards to OS and tools vendors. Phase 2 is volume. That's where the September/October dates come from (although I couldn't possibly comment). > 2) The StrongARM/NC doesn't use the 21285 PCI interface - even the > version with PCI; apparently it uses some Cirrus chipset. > Correct. Our developments are seperate although they _may_ merge. > 3) The StrongARM/NC isn't available yet and will only be made available > to large OEM's initially. > Again, correct. Don't forget that the NC is a product and not an evalution board. > 4) When things eventually do become available you'll have to buy via a > distributor; e.g. Eurodis Bytech - I've got a contact name for them. > They won't be too happy selling to individuals at a guess but they > should do it. > Again correct but our wish is to sell this board widely and in volume. There should be no barrier to individuals buying them. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David A Rusling Principal Engineer European Semiconductor Applications Digital Equipment Co Ltd., Engineering PO Box 121, Imperial Way, Worton Grange Reading RG2 0TU Linux, Alpha, StrongArm, PCI Tel: UK-(0)1734-204380 Fax: UK-(0)1734-203133 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 23 16:26:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA29026 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:26:04 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 40558 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2597-2140>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:24:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971572-311>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:20:45 -0400 Received: from server21.digital.fr ([193.56.15.21]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971648-311>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:20:29 -0400 Received: from mail.vbo.dec.com (mail.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.34]) by server21.digital.fr (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08731 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:30:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from vbormc.vbo.dec.com (vbormc.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.94]) by mail.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23418 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:12:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from linux.reo.dec.com (linux.reo.dec.com [16.36.0.79]) by vbormc.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23974 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:55:32 +0200 Received: from linux.reo.dec.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linux.reo.dec.com (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA12418 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:12:26 GMT Message-Id: <199706231512.PAA12418@linux.reo.dec.com> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: duh, any ideas on this? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:12:26 +0000 From: David A Rusling Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO All, I downloaded the prebuilt tools, unpacked them into /usr/arm/ and I cannot compile anything, even my simple "hello cruel world!" program. Results were: [rusling@flight tmp]$ /usr/arm/tools/bin/arm-unknown-linuxaout-gcc -v t.c Reading specs from /usr/arm/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.7.2/specs gcc version 2.7.2 /usr/arm/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.7.2/cpp -lang-c -v -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=7 -Dunix -Darm -Dlinux -D__unix__ -D__arm__ -D__linux__ -D__unix -D__arm -D__linux -D__CHAR_UNSIGNED__ -D__arm3__ t.c /tmp/cca00347.i GNU CPP version 2.7.2 (ARM Linux/a.out) #include "..." search starts here: #include <...> search starts here: /usr/arm/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.7.2/include /usr/arm/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.7.2/sys-include /usr/arm/tools/arm-unknown-linuxaout/include End of search list. /usr/arm/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.7.2/cc1 /tmp/cca00347.i -quiet -dumpbase t.c -version -o /tmp/cca00347.s GNU C version 2.7.2 (ARM Linux/a.out) compiled by GNU C version 2.7.2.1. /tmp/cca00347.i:1: numeric constant with no digits /tmp/cca00347.i:1: numeric constant with no digits /tmp/cca00347.i:1: invalid #line /tmp/cca00347.i:2: parse error at null character [rusling@flight tmp]$ I looked at the output from the preprocessor (using the -E option) and it looked like: # 1 "t.c" int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { printk("hello cruel world!\n") ; } Any clues? Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David A Rusling Principal Engineer European Semiconductor Applications Digital Equipment Co Ltd., Engineering PO Box 121, Imperial Way, Worton Grange Reading RG2 0TU Linux, Alpha, StrongArm, PCI Tel: UK-(0)1734-204380 Fax: UK-(0)1734-203133 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 23 16:37:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA29103 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:37:51 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 47483 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2782-2140>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:35:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971789-307>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:32:03 -0400 Received: from mail-c.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.100.23]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971749-307>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:30:44 -0400 Received: from star.ucl.ac.uk by mail-c.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:33:17 +0100 Received: by star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA00670; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:36:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:36:54 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: David A Rusling Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: duh, any ideas on this? In-Reply-To: <199706231512.PAA12418@linux.reo.dec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, David A Rusling wrote: > All, > I downloaded the prebuilt tools, unpacked them into /usr/arm/ > and I cannot compile anything, even my simple "hello cruel world!" program. > Results were: Ha! This is easy to fix. Your version of Linux hasn't got a recent enough version of libc. You need libc 5.4 or above for the cross-compiler to work properly. Once that is sorted out, it worketh like a dream (nice 'n' fast on a PPro). Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 23 17:07:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA29227 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:07:45 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32799 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2568-24515>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:06:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971342-307>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:03:26 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971835-307>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:03:08 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wgBcZ-0000kf-00; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:05:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:05:38 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Richard Townsend cc: David A Rusling , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: duh, any ideas on this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Richard Townsend wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, David A Rusling wrote: > > > I downloaded the prebuilt tools, unpacked them into /usr/arm/ > > and I cannot compile anything, even my simple "hello cruel world!" program. > > Ha! This is easy to fix. Your version of Linux hasn't got a recent > enough version of libc. You need libc 5.4 or above for the Indeed. If you build the tools yourself (which I strongly recommend over using the prebuilt binaries) this won't be a problem. It only comes about because of binary incompatibilities between libc 5.3 and libc 5.4. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 23 18:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA29484 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:09:02 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 1884 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2554-2140>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:07:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971841-311>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:03:54 -0400 Received: from server21.digital.fr ([193.56.15.21]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971366-307>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:03:38 -0400 Received: from mail.vbo.dec.com (mail.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.34]) by server21.digital.fr (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06684; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:13:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from vbormc.vbo.dec.com (vbormc.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.94]) by mail.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21430; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:06:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from linux.reo.dec.com (linux.reo.dec.com [16.36.0.79]) by vbormc.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12881; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:49:44 +0200 Received: from linux.reo.dec.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linux.reo.dec.com (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA13032; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:06:38 GMT Message-Id: <199706231806.SAA13032@linux.reo.dec.com> To: Philip Blundell cc: Richard Townsend , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: duh, any ideas on this? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:05:38 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:06:38 +0000 From: David A Rusling Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Richard Townsend wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, David A Rusling wrote: > > > > > I downloaded the prebuilt tools, unpacked them into /usr/arm/ > > > and I cannot compile anything, even my simple "hello cruel world!" program. > > > > Ha! This is easy to fix. Your version of Linux hasn't got a recent > > enough version of libc. You need libc 5.4 or above for the > > Indeed. If you build the tools yourself (which I strongly recommend over > using the prebuilt binaries) this won't be a problem. It only comes about > because of binary incompatibilities between libc 5.3 and libc 5.4. > > p. aha, indeed I am running libc.so.5.3.12 on my laptop. I'll upgrade and retry. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David A Rusling Principal Engineer European Semiconductor Applications Digital Equipment Co Ltd., Engineering PO Box 121, Imperial Way, Worton Grange Reading RG2 0TU Linux, Alpha, StrongArm, PCI Tel: UK-(0)1734-204380 Fax: UK-(0)1734-203133 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 25 12:53:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA07625 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:53:27 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 18528 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2297-18837>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:53:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974225-16981>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:50:59 -0400 Received: from root@tulpi.interconnect.com.au (port 1533 [192.189.54.18]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974309-16919>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:39:39 -0400 Received: from ce (acc3-ppp9.mel.interconnect.com.au [210.8.0.9]) by tulpi.interconnect.com.au with SMTP id VAA07418 (8.8.5/IDA-1.6 for ); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:23:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <33B056A5.3CDB@cvs.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:22:13 +1000 From: Charles Esson Organization: Colour Vision Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Divide instruction. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I am in trouble the strong arm is getting canned because of the lack of a divide ( well I can't find it anyway) and the best I can do is 96 instructions. Has anyone done better. From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 25 14:10:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA08118 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:10:22 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 16671 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2700-4901>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:10:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971912-16982>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:02:38 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@hermes.ex.ac.uk (port 32653 [194.83.11.25]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974622-16981>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:53:54 -0400 Received: from newman [144.173.6.4] by hermes via SMTP (NAA09941); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:37:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:37:31 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@newman To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Divide instruction. In-Reply-To: <33B056A5.3CDB@cvs.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Charles Esson wrote: > I am in trouble the strong arm is getting canned because of the lack of > a divide ( well I can't find it anyway) and the best I can do is 96 > instructions. > > Has anyone done better. I think so. I posted a fast ARM assembler DIV routine (also does MOD as a side-effect) to c.s.a.programmer a while back. I'm afraid I can't find it in my sent-mail - dunno what pine did to it - but I will get a copy of it next time I'm home and will post it here when I'm next in the computer lab. It does about 1,000,000,000,000 (1<<40 to be exact) DIVs in about 1.41s on a StrongARM at 202MHz. See ya, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 25 14:12:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA08126 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:12:06 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 16671 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2168-18837>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:12:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974227-16982>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:03:56 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@punt-1c.mail.demon.net (port 55295 [194.217.242.136]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971666-16981>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:54:38 -0400 Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123435; 25 Jun 97 13:37 BST Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:12:08 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Andy Armstrong Subject: Re: Divide instruction. In-Reply-To: <33B056A5.3CDB@cvs.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In article <33B056A5.3CDB@cvs.com.au>, Charles Esson writes >I am in trouble the strong arm is getting canned because of the lack of >a divide ( well I can't find it anyway) and the best I can do is 96 >instructions. 96! :-) Have a look at ARM's web site (www.arm.com). I'm sure they have some quite snappy divide routines there. -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong, WonderWorks From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 25 14:14:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA08141 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:14:35 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 16671 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3047-4901>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:14:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971375-16982>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:09:20 -0400 Received: from willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (port 1064 [194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970853-16982>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:08:48 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id OAA08091; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:08:19 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199706251308.OAA08091@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Divide instruction. To: charlese@cvs.com.au (Charles Esson) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:08:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <33B056A5.3CDB@cvs.com.au> from "Charles Esson" at Jun 25, 97 09:22:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I am in trouble the strong arm is getting canned because of the lack of > a divide ( well I can't find it anyway) and the best I can do is 96 > instructions. > > Has anyone done better. Yes. For all your arm code needs.. http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/robin.watts/Docs/ From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 25 17:45:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA09105 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:45:34 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 23629 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16025-4901>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:45:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974301-16981>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:11:38 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@hermes.ex.ac.uk (port 14237 [194.83.11.25]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974283-16982>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:08:56 -0400 Received: from newman [144.173.6.4] by hermes via SMTP (RAA29557); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:08:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:08:23 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@newman To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Divide instruction. In-Reply-To: <33B056A5.3CDB@cvs.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Charles Esson wrote: > I am in trouble the strong arm is getting canned because of the lack of > a divide ( well I can't find it anyway) and the best I can do is 96 > instructions. > > Has anyone done better. > I posted just a few hours ago about a DIV routine I've done. I'm back in the computer lab now, so here it is. This is exactly the posting I sent to c.s.a.programmer. The reason I couldn't find it in my sent-mail in pine was because I sent it from home while dialing up :-) Hope it's useful. Hello! While writing the slider bar for my (soon to be released) music CD application, Duet, I found need of an integer division routine. Since Duet is written entirely in ARM assembler, and I was far from any internet connection, I had to write my own. I haven't speed tested it, but I think it's fairly optimal. I'm posting it firstly in case anyone wants to use it, and secondly in case anyone knows of a faster routine. If you do, please let me know about it. By the way, I think the FPE is probably the type of thing where the new StrongARM instruction, MULL IIRC, could be used to speed things up a bit. Is anyone planning a Strong-ARM optimised FPE? Here's the code... Actually, just now I realised how it could be further optimised. I've put the extra bit of code in, tested it, and found that on my StrongARM, the time taken for (1<<40) divisions, (1<<20) each of each of the numbers from (1<<20) to 0, was 313cs for the first version, and 141cs for the second, improved version. ;****************************************************************************** .Divide ; Phil's Astounding Divider. Integer division routine, slightly optimised ; for StrongARM (but there wasn't much space for optimisation). ; If you wish this routine to return the remainder too, just don't bother to ; preserve r2 on the stack - it will return as the remainder. ; On entry: ; r2 = Numerator ; r3 = Denominator ; On exit: ; r0 = Result ; During routine: ; r0 = Result build-up ; r1 = Accumulator ; r2 = Numerator (continuously lowered) ; r3 = Denominator (const) ; r14 = Shift counter ;============================================================================== STMFD r13!,{r1,r2,r14} MOV r0,#0 ; Initialise result CMP r2,r3 ; Is numerator less than denominator? BLT $Exit ; If so, exit with result MOV r1,r3 ; Initialise accumulator MOV r14,#1 ; Initialise shift counter $UpwardLoop CMP r2,r1,LSL #1 ; Check accumulator*2 against numerator MOV r4,r4,LSL #1 ; Shift shift counter MOV r1,r1,LSL #1 ; Shift accumulator up BGT $UpwardLoop ; Branch back ;============================================================================== ; The accumulator now contains the highest shift of the denominator which is ; still less than the numerator. Take this away from the numerator, and add ; the shift value to the result build-up. ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------ $DownwardLoop CMP r1,r2 ; Is numerator greater than accumulator? SUBLE r2,r2,r1 ; Take accumulator away from numerator ADDLE r0,r0,r4 ; Add shift counter to result build-up BEQ $Exit ; Exit if finished division (no remainder left) MOV r1,r1,LSR #1 ; Lower accumulator MOVS r4,r4,LSR #1 ; Lower shift counter BGT $DownwardLoop ; Go again if there are more positive shifts $Exit LDMFD r13!,{r1,r2,pc}^ ;****************************************************************************** It's in JFPatch format. JFPatch provides loads of really lovely add-ons to ARM assembler, but the only one used here is the local labels. Any label starting with an $ character only exists between two normal (.labelname) labels. Anyway, that's about it. Thanks for your time, and I hope this code is useful to someone. See ya, Phil Norman. -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 25 17:49:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA09121 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:49:08 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 23629 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15455-4901>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:49:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974347-16981>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:18:14 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@hermes.ex.ac.uk (port 14812 [194.83.11.25]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974439-16981>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:17:32 -0400 Received: from newman [144.173.6.4] by hermes via SMTP (RAA00289); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:17:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:17:14 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@newman To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Divide instruction. In-Reply-To: <9706251319.AA14127@osfa.aber.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Alun Da Penguin Jones wrote: > Phil Norman decreed: > > It does about 1,000,000,000,000 (1<<40 to be exact) DIVs in about > > 1.41s on a StrongARM at 202MHz. > > octave:10> (2**40 / 1.41) / 202e6 > ans = 3860.4 > > Pardon me for being skeptical, but how does it manage to do 3860.4 divisions > in each clock cycle? I'd love to see a copy of the code. Errrrr..... now that's a tricky one. Now I see your maths, that's made me highly skeptical too. I never tried that calculation out myself (aftereffects of the Maths 3 course in my physics degree). It does seem rather persuading, so I therefore decree the ARM code wrapper I put around my DIV routine to test the speed to be terminally broken. I will have a look at it and see what went wrong. Very sorry for making such a ridiculous claim without testing it more thoroughly, but whatever went wrong, it's still fast. I've just posted a copy of the posting I sent to c.s.a.programmer, so you can see a copy of the code ;-) Incidentally the reason I wrote it was for the slider bar feature of an app I'm working on called Duet. It's a music CD player - quite a nice one IMHO - for RuskOS. If anyone's interested, it's on my web page (URL below). Thanks, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 25 23:51:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA11557 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:51:52 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32351 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15503-29259>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:52:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974720-16981>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:32:17 -0400 Received: from thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (port 54820 [131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974780-16981>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:53:39 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.631 #2) id 0wgwwY-0002kf-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:37:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:37:26 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Phil Norman cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Divide instruction. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Phil Norman wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Charles Esson wrote: > > > I am in trouble the strong arm is getting canned because of the lack of > > a divide ( well I can't find it anyway) and the best I can do is 96 > > instructions. > I posted just a few hours ago about a DIV routine I've done. I'm back in BTW, the gcc sources have a division routine in (look at lib1funcs.asm). This is needed because gcc can't open code division for the ARM and so it has to compile into a library call. p. From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 25 23:53:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA11575 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:53:57 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32351 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15893-10461>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:54:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977058-16982>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:28:33 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@server21.digital.fr (port 3627 [193.56.15.21]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974781-16981>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:10:52 -0400 Received: from mail.vbo.dec.com (mail.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.34]) by server21.digital.fr (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id VAA20529; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:54:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from vbormc.vbo.dec.com (vbormc.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.94]) by mail.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id VAA30685; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:45:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from win31.reo.dec.com (newdial_p4.reo.dec.com [16.36.0.74]) by vbormc.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05425; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:24:22 +0200 Received: from win31.reo.dec.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by win31.reo.dec.com (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA00771; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:39:38 GMT Message-Id: <199706252039.UAA00771@win31.reo.dec.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 05/05/96 To: Richard Townsend cc: David A Rusling , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: duh, any ideas on this? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:36:54 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:39:37 +0000 From: "Ka'Plagh" Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO All, I did indeed get it sorted and I've built an ebsa-110 kernel (unfortunately not working yet). A couple of things: [1] I had to "invent" include/asm-arm/arch-ebsa/dma.h. This was missing from the 2.0.29 patches that I had. [2] I had to create a couple of links for objcopy and objdump for the pre-built tools. Dave From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 26 02:08:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA12466 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:08:38 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 17434 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15899-10461>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:08:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974660-26791>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:06:19 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk (port 3102 [128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <977903-26791>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:44:10 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:42:44 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jun 97 00:41:55 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:42:30 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <2950.199706252343@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: duh, any ideas on this? To: rusling@linux.reo.dec.com (Ka'Plagh) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:43:00 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199706252039.UAA00771@win31.reo.dec.com> from "Ka'Plagh" at Jun 25, 97 08:39:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ka'Plagh writes: > [1] I had to "invent" include/asm-arm/arch-ebsa/dma.h. This was > missing from the 2.0.29 patches that I had. Please use the latest 2.0.30 patches. This problem has been fixed. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 26 03:07:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA12863 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:07:15 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 18016 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15378-10461>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 05:06:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977539-26791>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:04:36 -0400 Received: from root@tulpi.interconnect.com.au (port 4044 [192.189.54.18]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <978135-26794>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:54:44 -0400 Received: from ce (acc4-ppp19.mel.interconnect.com.au [210.8.0.83]) by tulpi.interconnect.com.au with SMTP id LAA08115 (8.8.5/IDA-1.6 for ); Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:50:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <33B121D5.4ED1@cvs.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:49:09 +1000 From: Charles Esson Organization: Colour Vision Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Divide instruction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thanks for the replies. I think the way to go is to try and convince the floating point people to rescale there algorithams so they don't need divide. I.e, look upon the number as something between 1 and 0. Boy it was hard enough convincing them floating point really wasn't a good thing. From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 26 14:01:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA17404 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:01:19 +0100 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@vger.rutgers.edu (port 37126 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15805-29259>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:01:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971421-4089>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:58:11 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@relay-7.mail.demon.net (port 58339 [194.217.242.9]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971406-4089>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:57:17 -0400 Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1207635; 25 Jun 97 18:15 BST Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:56:36 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Andy Armstrong Subject: Re: Divide instruction. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In article , Phil Norman writes [snip] >Actually, just now I realised how it could be further optimised. I've put the >extra bit of code in, tested it, and found that on my StrongARM, the time taken >for (1<<40) divisions, (1<<20) each of each of the numbers from (1<<20) to 0, >was 313cs for the first version, and 141cs for the second, improved version. This is completely bonkers Phil. 1 << 40 is about 1e12. To do that many divides in 141cs each divide would have to take 0.128 picoseconds. -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong, WonderWorks From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Jun 26 17:55:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA19066 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:55:43 +0100 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@vger.rutgers.edu (port 27765 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15625-10461>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:54:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971589-4087>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:52:01 -0400 Received: from root@snowcrash.cymru.net (port 1248 [163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972144-4089>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:48:05 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id RAA20571; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:48:26 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706261648.RAA20571@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Divide instruction. To: charlese@cvs.com.au (Charles Esson) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:48:24 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <33B056A5.3CDB@cvs.com.au> from "Charles Esson" at Jun 25, 97 09:22:13 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I am in trouble the strong arm is getting canned because of the lack of > a divide ( well I can't find it anyway) and the best I can do is 96 > instructions. That is normal for risc CPU's > Has anyone done better. I don't know for ARM but look at the Linux kernel bits for the sparc and alpha CPU's. Remember it takes a pentium about 35 clocks to do a divide Alan From linux-arm-outgoing-owner@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 27 00:11:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA21742 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:11:09 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 22024 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2123-29387>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 02:10:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971979-7550>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:55:51 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@relay-7.mail.demon.net (port 48888 [194.217.242.9]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971422-343>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:07:21 -0400 Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0520413; 25 Jun 97 14:26 BST Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:24:37 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Andy Armstrong Subject: Re: Divide instruction. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In article , Phil Norman writes >On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Charles Esson wrote: > >> I am in trouble the strong arm is getting canned because of the lack of >> a divide ( well I can't find it anyway) and the best I can do is 96 >> instructions. >> >> Has anyone done better. > >I think so. I posted a fast ARM assembler DIV routine (also does MOD as >a side-effect) to c.s.a.programmer a while back. I'm afraid I can't find >it in my sent-mail - dunno what pine did to it - but I will get a copy of >it next time I'm home and will post it here when I'm next in the computer >lab. It does about 1,000,000,000,000 (1<<40 to be exact) DIVs in about >1.41s on a StrongARM at 202MHz. Impressive. More than the number of single instructions a StrongARM could do in that time. Are you sure you haven't got something wrong somewhere? I don't believe you were doing 3860 divides every clock cycle :-) > >See ya, >Phil > > -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong, WonderWorks From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 27 14:22:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA27749 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:22:21 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 44331 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2159-23952>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:19:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971120-271>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:18:10 -0400 Received: from NO-IDENT-SERVICE@hermes.ex.ac.uk (port 27957 [194.83.11.25]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971360-267>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:09:59 -0400 Received: from newman [144.173.6.4] by hermes via SMTP (NAA11244); Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:38:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:38:01 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@newman To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: crt0.o Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Very sorry for this - I'm sure it's come up in the mailing list before, but I've lost it in my trimming excercises. Could anyone tell me where crt0.o is please? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks, Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 27 15:02:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA28006 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:02:09 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 54600 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <447-29387>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:59:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971011-267>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:44:22 -0400 Received: from root@snowcrash.cymru.net (port 1314 [163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971200-267>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:22:07 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id JAA30799; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:47:55 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199706270847.JAA30799@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Divide instruction. To: andy@wonderworks.co.uk (Andy Armstrong) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:47:52 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Andy Armstrong" at Jun 25, 97 05:56:36 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > This is completely bonkers Phil. 1 << 40 is about 1e12. To do that many > divides in 141cs each divide would have to take 0.128 picoseconds. Thats pushing it somewhat 8) - even the 16bit divide in about 2 clocks (64K lookup table) is slow by comparison From P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk Sat Jun 28 03:16:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [194.83.11.25]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id DAA00515 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:16:23 +0100 Received: from newman [144.173.6.4] by hermes via SMTP (DAA17964); Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:17:11 +0100 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:16:56 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Norman X-Sender: py95pcfn@newman To: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: crt0.o In-Reply-To: <199706271506.QAA28453@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Look on ftp.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/armlinux. Or something. I keep a full > archive. Thanks - I've already looked, but though there's messages asking about the whereabouts of crt0.o, there's nothing I can find which says where it can be found. Phil -- ============================================= = Phil Norman - P.C.F.Norman@exeter.ac.uk = = http://newton.ex.ac.uk/general/ug/norman = = Acorn fanatic and physics student = ============================================= From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Jun 29 11:14:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA14463 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:14:56 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 48924 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2190-5877>; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:32:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <983380-553>; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 05:29:31 -0400 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk (port 1667 [128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <983390-553>; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 05:24:06 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sun, 29 Jun 1997 10:23:20 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Jun 97 10:22:31 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:01:48 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <6170.199706281902@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM Patches (fwd) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 20:02:21 +0100 (BST) Cc: dwalker@art.acorn.co.uk X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Erik Troan writes: > On Sat, 28 Jun 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > > > Would you be interested in patches for the ARM port of Linux? I currently have > > (out of a mixture of 3.0.3, 4.0, and 4.1) the following patches. I am working > > on some of 4.2 now. Anyway, here is a list of packages that have patches of one > > sort or another. > > Good grief. > > > Please note that at the moment, ELF is not supported on the ARM platforms due to > > a lack of standard (and time to work out how to do ELF). That's not to say that > > it won't happen - it has to happen some time. > > I'm not that interested in them until ELF is supported, the diffs would > be too difficult to integrate w/o shared libs. Anyone want to work on a proper ELF standard for ARM Linux? (One that is the full works - shared libraries etc). This will of course require GCC and binutils changes. This is extremely urgent - the later kernels have been 'designed' for ELF, and so have most of the libraries. RH 4.2 is as well. Anyone wanting to work on ELF, please email me. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 30 00:32:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA20266 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:32:11 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 48959 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16064-14430>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:16:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <999241-554>; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:14:29 -0400 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk (port 3066 [128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <999220-553>; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:13:59 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:15:01 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex4) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Jun 97 00:14:12 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:14:42 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <531.199706292315@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: New disk sets and kernel To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:15:19 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi. I have just finished uploading a new RiscPC install disk set, and a new kernel for them. These should now be capable of running with >=24MB of DRAM. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 30 06:08:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA22579 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:08:03 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 49438 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15934-14430>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 07:24:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <999317-553>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:23:02 -0400 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@server21.digital.fr (port 3381 [193.56.15.21]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <999315-554>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:22:47 -0400 Received: from mail.vbo.dec.com (mail.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.34]) by server21.digital.fr (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id GAA29680; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:26:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from vbormc.vbo.dec.com (vbormc.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.94]) by mail.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id GAA17983; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:19:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from win31.reo.dec.com (newdial_p8.reo.dec.com [16.36.0.85]) by vbormc.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id FAA12442; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 05:57:54 +0200 Received: from win31.reo.dec.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by win31.reo.dec.com (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA00598; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 05:13:58 GMT Message-Id: <199706300513.FAA00598@win31.reo.dec.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 05/05/96 To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, dwalker@art.acorn.co.uk, ewt@redhat.com Subject: Re: ARM Patches (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 28 Jun 1997 20:02:21 +0100." <6170.199706281902@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 05:13:56 +0000 From: "Ka'Plagh" Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Good idea, one of the big moves forward with Alpha Linux was ELF shared libraries. If anyone out there wishes to volunteer, I can get them some StrongARM hardware to play with... > Erik Troan writes: > > On Sat, 28 Jun 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > > > > > Would you be interested in patches for the ARM port of Linux? I currently have > > > (out of a mixture of 3.0.3, 4.0, and 4.1) the following patches. I am working > > > on some of 4.2 now. Anyway, here is a list of packages that have patches of one > > > sort or another. > > > > Good grief. > > > > > Please note that at the moment, ELF is not supported on the ARM platforms due to > > > a lack of standard (and time to work out how to do ELF). That's not to say that > > > it won't happen - it has to happen some time. > > > > I'm not that interested in them until ELF is supported, the diffs would > > be too difficult to integrate w/o shared libs. > > Anyone want to work on a proper ELF standard for ARM Linux? (One that is the full > works - shared libraries etc). This will of course require GCC and binutils changes. > > This is extremely urgent - the later kernels have been 'designed' for ELF, and so > have most of the libraries. RH 4.2 is as well. > > Anyone wanting to work on ELF, please email me. > _____ > |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- > | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- > | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | > | +-+-+ --- -+- > / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ > / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | > +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 30 17:49:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA27812 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:49:09 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 41328 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15444-14430>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:46:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <999423-554>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:41:30 -0400 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@HOST.30.82.ixos.de (port 34116 [149.235.30.82]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <999700-554> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:40:22 -0400 Received: from mickey.munich.ixos.de (mickey.ixos.de [149.235.50.225]) by ultima.ixos.de (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA8574 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:43:17 +0200 Received: by mickey.munich.ixos.de with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC8585.D429B920@mickey.munich.ixos.de>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:45:49 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Roland Groepmair" To: "'linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu'" Subject: partition manager for ARM Linux Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:45:46 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hy Linux-experts! Last weekend I tried to install ARM Linux on my RISC PC (ARM 610, 24 MB DRAM, 2 MB VRAM, 2.1 GB IDE, RISC OS 3.5). Unfortunately, the first problem I had was partitioning the hard drive. Currently I have to partitions on my HD: the first 512 MB (1040 cylinders) for RISC OS (Version 3.5 does not support more I think =8-(. And the next 1500 cylinders for RiscBSD (I'm sorry, but I'm interested in both UNIX-ports for the ARM, I admit it). Between the two installations there is no cylinder free. But after the RiscBSD-Partition there are about 1500 left for the brandnew Linux. I thought. BUT: the partition manager for Linux (newest version [last week I think] from the ftp site) wants to create a partition called "Table" (as shown in the installation manual) with the size of 1KB. I think this is for the partition table (?). I did not see any chance to alter the cylinder. The application suggests the first cylinder after the ADFS-partition. If I started the partition manager I think my RiscBSD-partition would be lost =8-((( Now my questions: 1. Is there any way to change the cylinder for the "Table" partition? Is it therefore possible to keep my RiscBSD-Installation? 2. And more important: The Installation manual, section partition manager says to "backup all files on the installation disk, because all data will be lost after the partitioning". Is it also true if I have space left on my hard disk?? Or do you mean that all data will be lost if I have to shrink my ADFS-"partition" (that is clear to me, I remember fdisk from MS-DOS...). thanks a lot (perhaps you can help me to spend my time in installing Linux, not in backing up my ADFS-partition...), Roland ------------------------------------------------------- Roland Gröpmair iXOS Software AG Tel. : +49 (0)89 46005 - 179 Bretonischer Ring 12 FAX : +49 (0)89 46005 - 199 D-85630 Grasbrunn Internet: http://www.ixos.de Germany mailto:Roland.Groepmair@ixos.de ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 30 18:51:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA28369 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:51:04 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 28951 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16342-14430>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:47:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <999697-553>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:40:22 -0400 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@[194.201.189.33] (port 4560 [194.201.189.33]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <999708-554>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:38:24 -0400 Received: from man05 ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA15962; Mon, 30 Jun 97 18:37:47 GMT Message-Id: <33B7FC8C.3118@cogency.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:35:56 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Groepmair Cc: "'linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu'" Subject: Re: partition manager for ARM Linux References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, Well we'll soon remove the need for the RiscBSD partition - but its a fair enough thing to try..... As far as the backing up goes; you would be insane not too back up a drive before repartitioning. As for the RiscBSD problem - how does RiscBSD partition the drive? Does it do the same thing that NetBSD does and build its own partition table inside a native partition? I wonder if ARMLinux could actually install in a spare RiscBSD partition if we turned on BSD partitioning or if that is only for BSD partitioning on top of fdisk style partitions ... hmm. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature - - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - 0161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Jun 30 21:45:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA29706 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:45:57 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 37222 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15430-14430>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:42:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <999315-554>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:33:58 -0400 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk (port 3783 [128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <999410-554>; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:33:21 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:34:16 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Jun 97 21:33:27 BST Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:06:52 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <190.199706302006@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: partition manager for ARM Linux To: roland.groepmair@munich.ixos.de (Roland Groepmair) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:06:38 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Roland Groepmair" at Jun 30, 97 06:45:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Roland Groepmair writes: > Now my questions: > 1. Is there any way to change the cylinder for the "Table" partition? I= > s it therefore possible to keep my RiscBSD-Installation? No. Unfortunately, there is only one place in the ADFS boot block to put a `non-ADFS' partition, and both the Linux Table and the RiscBSD partition occupy this. It is, unfortunately, something that was overlooked by Acorn all those years ago. Both Linux and RiscBSD rely on these bytes to be set correctly in order to point to the correct location, so the two are mutually exclusive. > 2. And more important: The Installation manual, section partition manag= > er says to "backup all files on the installation disk, because all data= > will be lost after the partitioning". Is it also true if I have space = > left on my hard disk?? Or do you mean that all data will be lost if I h= > ave to shrink my ADFS-"partition" (that is clear to me, I remember fdis= > k from MS-DOS...). I would still advise backing it up - in case something goes wrong. Linux and its utilities has not been extensively tested, and I believe that there may be a problem booting with RiscOS 3.5 (since the boot loader has to gain access to the root partition, which may be over the 512 cylinder limit). However, it is still possible to boot Linux (as per the inital installation instructions). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | (fast becomming debatable)