From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 3 14:21:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA25296 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:21:20 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 47897 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12570-7409>; Sat, 3 May 1997 16:21:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972253-248>; Sat, 3 May 1997 09:20:53 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972251-248>; Sat, 3 May 1997 09:20:38 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0wNekN-0006d7-00; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:21:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 14:21:07 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: binutils Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi guys. You can find my patches against HJ's binutils 2.8.0.2 at ftp://ftp.london.uk.eu.org/pub/arm/binutils-2.8.0.2-970503-diff.gz Please check them out. You need to configure as "arm-linuxaout" or some variant of that. There is no "arm-linux" configuration in this version; that is reserved for ELF. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun May 4 12:10:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA29505 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 12:10:39 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 15964 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13065-12974>; Sun, 4 May 1997 14:11:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971740-244>; Sun, 4 May 1997 07:09:46 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972429-244>; Sun, 4 May 1997 07:08:40 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0wNz8n-0007Q0-00; Sun, 4 May 1997 12:07:41 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 12:07:40 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: binutils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 3 May 1997, Philip Blundell wrote: > You can find my patches against HJ's binutils 2.8.0.2 at FYI, HJ is going to merge these after 2.8.0.x is released publicly (should be today or tomorrow). I will see if I can get the gcc changes in before 2.8 is frozen, as well. p. From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Mon May 5 12:09:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA01649 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:09:43 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0wOLeK-0005Wh-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:09:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:09:44 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: binutils In-Reply-To: <199705051103.MAA01626@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Mon, 5 May 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Excellent news. Any word on how long it will be before ELF support is > added to GCC & binutils? I don't know much about unix file formats (and I No. The latest on this is that Russell has some preliminary patches for binutils, but there's still a way to go. He doesn't have any ELF documentation, which isn't helping. Also, there is no real standard for ELF on the ARM - I spoke to the guys at ARM Ltd about this, but although we decided that it would be good for the Linux people to work with ARM to implement ELF, nothing much has actually been done. Other vendors have done ELF for the ARM in their toolkits and we're waiting to see how they went about it. > ELF. I've knocked up an ARM assembler strlen.c if you want it. It uses > word loads for speed. I've also done bzero & ntohl, htonl, htons, ntohs, That would be cool, thanks. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon May 5 16:24:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA02446 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:24:04 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 52793 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12778-21027>; Mon, 5 May 1997 18:23:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971374-244>; Mon, 5 May 1997 11:21:18 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971383-244>; Mon, 5 May 1997 11:21:02 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0wOPaV-0002jQ-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:22:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:22:03 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: gcc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have put my patches for gcc at ftp://kc.london.uk.eu.org/pub/gcc-arm-diffs.gz They are against ss-970421, but I imagine they will go into any recent snapshot. I am about to send these to the gcc maintainers. Russell, not all of the patches you made are included. There were some I wasn't happy with, and some that are in already. If you think anything important is missing then say so. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 6 00:09:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA04265 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 00:09:31 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 6762 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12470-143>; Tue, 6 May 1997 02:08:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970994-244>; Mon, 5 May 1997 19:06:05 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970982-244>; Mon, 5 May 1997 19:05:44 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0wOWqM-0002xk-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 00:06:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 00:06:54 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: CD-ROM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hopefully I will soon (Wednesday) be in a position to make a few ARMLinux CD-ROMs. Anybody who wants one should get in touch. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 6 11:14:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA06424 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:14:39 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 8721 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13207-11772>; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:14:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970963-248>; Tue, 6 May 1997 06:11:48 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970977-248>; Tue, 6 May 1997 06:11:31 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wOhEZ-0006Z0-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:12:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:12:35 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Andy Hayward cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <199705060734.IAA05521@diamond.tao.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 6 May 1997, Andy Hayward wrote: > Excellent news; trying to download everything I need on a 28.8k modem > proving a bit of a hasssle. :( OK. A few people seem interested. I have a CD-R machine on my desk now, and I'm just waiting for the latest Linux stuff to arrive from Russell (I'm promised it will be here tomorrow, so fingers crossed). Anybody who wants a disk, please send 12ukp to Phil Blundell U2 Burrell's Field Trinity College Grange Road Cambridge CB3 9DH Don't forget to let me have your address to mail the disks. If all goes according to plan you should have them by the end of the week. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 6 11:21:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA06451 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:21:47 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 4376 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12927-24509>; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:21:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970981-244>; Tue, 6 May 1997 06:19:12 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970976-248>; Tue, 6 May 1997 06:18:56 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wOhLv-0006mN-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:20:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:20:11 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Chris Webb cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: CD-ROM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 6 May 1997, Chris Webb wrote: > and the like appear, so I imagine the ARMLinux scene is still fairly active. > How are 3rd party device drivers looking? For instance, is there an ANT > EtherM driver written yet? If not, I could try and knock one up once the > immediate pressure of exams is over. No. Just in case anybody is curious as to whether their hardware is supported, at the moment we seem to have drivers for these network cards: Ether1 Ether3 EtherH AMD 79C961A (EBSA on-board Ethernet, I think) and these SCSI cards: Acorn SCSI (AKA30) Cumana SCSI 1 EcoSCSI Oak SCSI If anybody wants to write a driver for another card then please do. It's not very difficult. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 6 12:33:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA06789 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:33:07 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 54101 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12547-27181>; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:32:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971004-248>; Tue, 6 May 1997 07:30:42 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970914-248>; Tue, 6 May 1997 07:30:26 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id MAA04031; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:29:52 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705061129.MAA04031@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: CD-ROM To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:29:46 +0100 (BST) Cc: ach@diamond.tao.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 6, 97 11:12:35 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > OK. A few people seem interested. I have a CD-R machine on my desk now, > and I'm just waiting for the latest Linux stuff to arrive from Russell > (I'm promised it will be here tomorrow, so fingers crossed). > > Anybody who wants a disk, please send 12ukp to > > Phil Blundell > U2 Burrell's Field > Trinity College > Grange Road > Cambridge > CB3 9DH > > Don't forget to let me have your address to mail the disks. If all goes > according to plan you should have them by the end of the week. Ok. Will do if I remember, I'll put the CD-ROM image up on an FTP site. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 6 12:37:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA06808 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:37:06 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 62808 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12503-27181>; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:36:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971009-244>; Tue, 6 May 1997 07:33:51 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971020-248>; Tue, 6 May 1997 07:33:35 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wOiVe-0001IH-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:34:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:34:18 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Alan Cox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <199705061129.MAA04031@snowcrash.cymru.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 6 May 1997, Alan Cox wrote: > Ok. Will do if I remember, I'll put the CD-ROM image up on an FTP site. That would be cool. I'll see if I can make it available for ftp here as well, but I'm not sure I have enough disk space to keep it indefinitely. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 6 13:25:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA07051 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:25:49 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 9996 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13109-25388>; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:25:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971028-244>; Tue, 6 May 1997 08:22:58 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971026-244>; Tue, 6 May 1997 08:22:41 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id NAA05780; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:23:46 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705061223.NAA05780@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: CD-ROM To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:23:44 +0100 (BST) Cc: alan@cymru.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 6, 97 12:34:18 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > That would be cool. I'll see if I can make it available for ftp here as > well, but I'm not sure I have enough disk space to keep it indefinitely. I dont have the disk space, I do have a spare single speed SCSI CD ROM however ;) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 8 01:18:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA15048 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 01:18:51 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 6004 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12515-2023>; Thu, 8 May 1997 03:17:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971705-32754>; Wed, 7 May 1997 20:16:21 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971751-32752>; Wed, 7 May 1997 20:09:31 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wPBNh-0007Nu-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 19:24:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:24:01 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Henry Morgan cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: CD-ROM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 6 May 1997, Henry Morgan wrote: > - I take it from your other posting that it should work with my Acorn > EtherH16 network card. > > - Does it support ATAPI CD ROM drives? I ask because I had tried Risc BSD, > but it seemed not to work with ATAPI drives... The answer _ought_ to be "yes" to both of these. I don't have any personal experience though - can anybody confirm that? In any case it ought to be possible to make it work without too much hassle. The code is certainly there for ATAPI, since it's architecture-independent. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 8 02:02:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA15191 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 02:02:33 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 575 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <343-2023>; Thu, 8 May 1997 04:02:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971089-32754>; Wed, 7 May 1997 21:00:45 -0400 Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk ([130.88.13.4]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972058-32752>; Wed, 7 May 1997 20:32:21 -0400 Received: from amu7.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA07574; Wed, 7 May 97 20:13:03 BST Date: Wed, 7 May 97 20:13:43 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705071913.AA21494@amu7.cs.man.ac.uk> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Cross comp tools Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Everyone, Having suitably grep'd our xferlog I can tell there are those of you out there who have ftp'd my x86 build of gcc-arm - but I haven't heard from any of you. So - have you got it to work? Having fun? Dave From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 8 03:42:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA15502 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 03:42:16 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 28246 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <889-869>; Thu, 8 May 1997 05:41:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971082-32752>; Wed, 7 May 1997 22:39:24 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971658-32754>; Wed, 7 May 1997 21:43:43 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 8 May 1997 00:29:38 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 8 May 97 00:28:51 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 7 May 1997 23:28:19 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <991.199705072328@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: ARM Linux distributions To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:28:10 +0100 (BST) X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all. The distribution that Phillip Blundel has recently been talking about is an almost direct copy of what I, myself, am going to send him. This will be a totally untested distribution, quite possibly capable of totally screwing your system. For instance, the boot loader and so forth need to be tested on a known problematic setup. This known-problematic setup is basically a 1GB hard drive from Acorn. However, I do not currently have this drive. It was supposed to be with myself in January, but unfortunately, the Post Office do not appear to be capable of delivering such a package - indeed it was found last week up in Edinbourgh! There does exist a known problem in the boot loader which means that it *will not work* on large disks (disks > 512MB). I believe that I have fixed the problem, but am not positive, and indeed it may cause more harm than good. However, I have now received confirmation that it will be sent to me to arrive later this week. Once it has arrived, I can check out: a) The RiscOS tools are capable of performing their function correctly. b) The distribution has a hope of even installing. c) The distribution has a hope of running. Currently, it would be extremely foolish of me to do anything except with hold ARM Linux until such a time that I can be reasonably happy that there aren't going to be 100000000 people mailing me complaining about the fact that this CD that they have paid for is only useful as a coffie cup mat. The distribution is currently moving as fast as it can at, since I have a *full time*, no not 9-5, more 7.30am - 9pm job, 6/7 days a week, and that simply does not leave time for ARM Linux to progress fast. Unfortunately, this style of working does appear to be all to common in Britian, especially when impossible deadlines are imposed on saftely critial systems (eg. JLE PA systems). Dave Gilbert has the same sort of problem. He maintains the Linux kernel for the older machines, and quite honestly, it is only suitable for use in a root NFS'd environment at the moment. Floppy disk and MFM drives are currently slow, and may not even work in the 2.0.30 kernel. They have even been known to wipe out his drives a couple of times. Ok, so for those of you who have been saying 'the Web pages appear to indicate that it is available': They have not. If anyone did read the top of the page that details downloading (where there was a 'Read ME NOW' section, which it appears to be customary to totally ignore, as are README files on FTP sites), then people would have realised the reason that certain directories on the FTP site were not accessable and not available yet - in the README on the FTP site, I state quite clearly (the whole README file is reproduced here for those who haven't read it yet): Directory of /pub/armlinux/distrib ---------------------------------- This is the initial upload of the new Linux installation / kernel system. Please note that this is mostly ALPHA, and as such, may crash, do odd things, or even screw up your hard disk. You have been warned! Note! Certain directories may be locked against public access. This is intentional, since they're probably empty. kernels Precompiled binary kernels riscos RiscOS utilities for ARM Linux tools Development tool patches for ARM Linux So, the current situation is: a) I have an arrangement with EESOX to produce ARM Linux CD ROMs. b) I am currently extremely close to producing a CD ROM based installation. c) I have access to a CD Writer at work to write 5 or so CDs. These will be used to test the installation, and then I will approach EESOX to produce a silver CD ROM. I am currently looking at around 1 weeks more work before finishing first CD ROM image. It will then take two days to move the CD ROM image to work (via ZIP drive). I then see 1.5 weeks testing, and then negotiation with EESOX for CD ROMs. This timescale will definitely change if I have to visit Coventry next week to satisfy work commitments, since it may mean that I loose a couple of days or more to install a PA system for system integration. >From my web pages, I have around 305 replies to my CD ROM counter. Lately, it has been non-functional due to some reorganisation at cymru.net, the nice people who are providing the CGI script to process your replies. Since I don't use the web counter, I rely on people letting me know if something doesn't work. As you can probably see from the date that this mail was sent and the times mentioned above, I'm probably overworking considerably for this project, and it would be such a shame to rush it, and risk loosing the project. Basically, what I am trying to say is that ARM Linux is nearing release, but it will have to come at its own speed. If it takes 3 weeks, it will take 3 weeks, no less. It may even take more. I cannot stress enough that you must be patient. If not, you could end up waisting a hell of a lot of time - both yours and mine, and phone bills as well. There is, however, one way to speed the release of ARM Linux up - employ me to port it! Thankyou. I'm now going to get some sleep, get up, go to work, return home at around 9pm, have dinner, and recommence work on the ARM Linux distribution around 10pm tomorrow. Please address any hate mail to /dev/null. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 8 09:56:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA16671 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:56:12 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 35449 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <422-589>; Thu, 8 May 1997 11:47:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971050-32752>; Thu, 8 May 1997 04:45:53 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971062-32752>; Thu, 8 May 1997 04:45:19 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id JAA23310; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:40:35 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705080840.JAA23310@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:40:26 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <991.199705072328@raistlin.armlinux.org> from "rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk" at May 8, 97 00:28:10 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > is an almost direct copy of what I, myself, am going to send him. This > will be a totally untested distribution, quite possibly capable of > totally screwing your system. And ? Remember SLS 1.0 ? > c) The distribution has a hope of running. > > Currently, it would be extremely foolish of me to do anything except > with hold ARM Linux until such a time that I can be reasonably happy that > there aren't going to be 100000000 people mailing me complaining about > the fact that this CD that they have paid for is only useful as a coffie > cup mat. If it has all the bits on it, its useful for getting stuff fixed. > The distribution is currently moving as fast as it can at, since I have a > *full time*, no not 9-5, more 7.30am - 9pm job, 6/7 days a week, and that > simply does not leave time for ARM Linux to progress fast. Unfortunately, > this style of working does appear to be all to common in Britian, especially > when impossible deadlines are imposed on saftely critial systems (eg. JLE PA > systems). Fortunately in about 4 weeks you will be able to work 40 hours and tell your employer thats enough, and they wont be able to fire you for it. > Dave Gilbert has the same sort of problem. He maintains the Linux kernel > for the older machines, and quite honestly, it is only suitable for use > in a root NFS'd environment at the moment. Floppy disk and MFM drives > are currently slow, and may not even work in the 2.0.30 kernel. They > have even been known to wipe out his drives a couple of times. So long as people are warned this isnt a problem, the original sparclinux trees came with big "Hazard" signs on them and people did eat disks, but they found the bugs! > but it will have to come at its own speed. If it takes 3 weeks, it will > take 3 weeks, no less. It may even take more. I cannot stress enough > that you must be patient. If not, you could end up waisting a hell of a > lot of time - both yours and mine, and phone bills as well. Personally I'd still rather have the "Doesn't work don't bug me bug arm-linux" code tree up somewhere. Let Phil put the first one out as a "Development snapshot" - cos believe me its far far more ready than the mklinux HP-PA development snapshot 1 ! Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 8 12:28:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA17229 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:28:19 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 49 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <435-869>; Thu, 8 May 1997 14:25:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971201-32754>; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:23:34 -0400 Received: from dover.ncipher.com ([195.224.55.2]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971182-32754>; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:23:04 -0400 Received: from ludlow.ncipher.com (ludlow.ncipher.com [195.224.55.161]) by dover.ncipher.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10137; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:23:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:25:38 +0100 (BST) From: Nicko van Someren To: Alan Cox cc: Philip Blundell , ach@diamond.tao.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <199705061129.MAA04031@snowcrash.cymru.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 6 May 1997, Alan Cox wrote: ... > Ok. Will do if I remember, I'll put the CD-ROM image up on an FTP site. Can you let me know where the inmage is. I have a CD-R drive too and it would be handy to be able to make copies. Nicko -- Nicko van Someren Fax: (+44)(1223)723601 Vox: (+44)(1223)723600 Mailto:nicko@ncipher.com http://www.ncipher.com/~nicko/ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 8 13:37:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA17552 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 13:37:57 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 27396 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <779-2023>; Thu, 8 May 1997 15:29:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971306-32752>; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:28:39 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971304-32752>; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:27:08 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id NAA04092; Thu, 8 May 1997 13:09:23 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705081209.NAA04092@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: CD-ROM To: nicko@ncipher.com (Nicko van Someren) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:09:03 +0100 (BST) Cc: alan@cymru.net, pjb27@cam.ac.uk, ach@diamond.tao.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Nicko van Someren" at May 8, 97 11:25:38 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > Ok. Will do if I remember, I'll put the CD-ROM image up on an FTP site. > > Can you let me know where the inmage is. I have a CD-R drive too and > it would be handy to be able to make copies. I wasnt anticipating someone using it for that - it'll be on a pretty slow site From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 9 12:39:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA22657 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 12:39:31 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 18300 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12955-508>; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:33:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970872-32754>; Fri, 9 May 1997 07:31:48 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970904-32754>; Fri, 9 May 1997 07:30:56 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wPns5-0003mR-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 12:29:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:29:56 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <991.199705072328@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 8 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > The distribution that Phillip Blundel has recently been talking about That's Philip, and Blundell. Please do me the courtesy of spelling my name right. > Currently, it would be extremely foolish of me to do anything except > with hold ARM Linux until such a time that I can be reasonably happy that > there aren't going to be 100000000 people mailing me complaining about > the fact that this CD that they have paid for is only useful as a coffie > cup mat. That is simply not true. Let's think about this a little more rationally, shall we? There is about 200MB on this CD, I gather. Of that, the vast majority is code that in all probability _will_ work fine. Probably there are bugs in the bootloader - probably there are bugs in the kernel as well. However, the reason people _want_ the CD is to avoid having to download masses of precompiled binaries over slow links (even assuming the binaries were available in the first place). I'm sure they could cope with downloading a replacement bootloader or a new kernel. Perhaps some of them can even fix the bugs themselves once they have a system that at least works. Nobody is pretending that this is a polished distribution. By all means, we should document the bugs. But we should _not_ hold everything back just because you're not sure it works properly. I think there are about seven people who have asked me to cut them a CD. Even if they all mailed you I think you'd be able to cope. > There is, however, one way to speed the release of ARM Linux up - employ me > to port it! There is another way which you have been ignoring for the past four years. If you were to actually release source code so that other people could work on the project, rather than trying to do it all on your own, things would move forward an awful lot faster. While I have every sympathy for your being overworked, it is entirely through your own volition that you work on ARM Linux, and positively against other people's wishes that you try to be the only person doing so. Frankly, this is (a) bad planning, (b) insulting to the rest of the community and (c) starts to give rise to doubts about your motives. p. (yes, I'm annoyed) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 9 13:11:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA22778 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:11:01 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 47651 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <395-508>; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:11:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970971-32752>; Fri, 9 May 1997 08:09:40 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970953-32752>; Fri, 9 May 1997 08:09:24 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wPoUN-0004Zs-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:09:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:09:31 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <991.199705072328@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 8 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > Currently, it would be extremely foolish of me to do anything except > with hold ARM Linux until such a time that I can be reasonably happy that Incidentally, people who _have_ sent me cheques - don't worry, I haven't cashed them yet, and obviously won't until I'm ready to actually send the disks. Sorry about the delay. If anybody feels that in the light of what Russell said they'd like to cancel their order for a disk, just let me know. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 9 14:15:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA23027 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:15:25 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 45159 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <771-32417>; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:15:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970927-32754>; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:13:32 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970956-32754>; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:13:16 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wPpU8-00062A-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:13:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:13:20 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cross comp tools In-Reply-To: <9705071913.AA21494@amu7.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 7 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > Having suitably grep'd our xferlog I can tell there are those of you > out there who have ftp'd my x86 build of gcc-arm - but I haven't > heard from any of you. Thinking of which, I just built a binary distribution of binutils 2.8.0.3 to cross-compile for arm-linuxaout from x86. You can get the tools from ftp://kc.london.uk.eu.org/pub/arm-linuxaout-binutils-2.8.0.3.i386-bin.tar.gz. I hope these are a bit less buggy than the old 2.7 tools were. Let me know of any success/sob stories. By the way, there is still a problem with the assembler and immediate constants ('#' is a problem if you go through the preprocessor). I think the solution is to modify as to make '$' a synonym for '#' - if anybody feels like doing this then please do. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 9 15:27:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA23552 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:27:44 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 39211 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <530-32417>; Fri, 9 May 1997 17:26:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971023-32752>; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:23:34 -0400 Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk ([130.88.13.4]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971015-32754>; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:22:44 -0400 Received: from amu7.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA28920; Fri, 9 May 97 15:20:42 BST Date: Fri, 9 May 97 15:21:28 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705091421.AA27251@amu7.cs.man.ac.uk> To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk, rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO We don't want to end up with a distribution out there which looks like a fully packaged soloution. That will mean we will have dumb users trying to install it. We want a pile of binaries out there which people won't even be able to unpack unless they know what they're doing. I'm not be prepared to be swamped with loads of lusers yet - when we have something moderatly installable yes; but lets get people who understand whats going on to debug it first. Dave From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 9 15:58:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA24027 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:58:00 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 62297 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <780-3256>; Fri, 9 May 1997 17:52:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971004-32754>; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:50:47 -0400 Received: from diamond.tao.co.uk ([158.152.120.224]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970972-32754>; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:50:32 -0400 Received: from diamond.tao.co.uk (ach@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diamond.tao.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29945 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:51:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199705091451.PAA29945@diamond.tao.co.uk> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 15:51:33 +0100 From: Andy Hayward Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >We want a pile of binaries out there which people won't even be able >to unpack unless they know what they're doing. > >I'm not be prepared to be swamped with loads of lusers yet - when we have >something moderatly installable yes; but lets get people who understand whats >going on to debug it first. I agree. What I'm looking for on the CD is: source to kernels source for development utils (gcc, asembler, linker etc) source for other utils installer, bootstrap loader (anything else I've forgotten (; ) Assuming the development utils, such as the cross compiler, can be built using a 'standard' linux-ix86 installation, then prebuilt binaries wouldn't be necessary; they would save a bit of time though. Same for prebuilt binaries of kernels and the other utilites. What the CD will do, however, is give us a 'standard' distribution, we all start at the same place and can refer back to it if neccessary. I'm prepared to download patches to the above when they start appearing, but at 28.8k I don't what to try and download everything. ach From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 10 10:52:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA28696 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:52:40 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 64124 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1211-12547>; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:53:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971828-32754>; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:51:12 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971769-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:50:57 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Sat, 10 May 1997 10:51:54 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Sat, 10 May 97 10:51:05 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Sat, 10 May 1997 09:19:29 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <485.199705100919@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:19:26 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 9, 97 12:29:56 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > That's Philip, and Blundell. Please do me the courtesy of spelling my > name right. Oops! Sorry Phil. > That is simply not true. Let's think about this a little more rationally, > shall we? There is about 200MB on this CD, I gather. Of that, the vast > majority is code that in all probability _will_ work fine. Probably there > are bugs in the bootloader - probably there are bugs in the kernel as > well. However, the reason people _want_ the CD is to avoid having to > download masses of precompiled binaries over slow links (even assuming the > binaries were available in the first place). I'm sure they could cope > with downloading a replacement bootloader or a new kernel. Perhaps some > of them can even fix the bugs themselves once they have a system that at > least works. I wouldn't say that the vast majority of bugs are in the bootloader/kernel. They do appear to be extremely stable. There are a few nigglies in there, of course, but I'm not too concerned about them. What I am concerned about is giving away a totally untried and untested set of packages, which for all I know would be a total failure and a waste of my money. I have now received this hard disk from Acorn, and last night I did try installing what I have done. Lets just say that what it installed wouldn't have worked at all. > Nobody is pretending that this is a polished distribution. By all means, > we should document the bugs. But we should _not_ hold everything back > just because you're not sure it works properly. > I think there are about seven people who have asked me to cut them a CD. > Even if they all mailed you I think you'd be able to cope. > > > There is, however, one way to speed the release of ARM Linux up - employ me > > to port it! > > There is another way which you have been ignoring for the past four years. > If you were to actually release source code so that other people could > work on the project, rather than trying to do it all on your own, things > would move forward an awful lot faster. I did not ignore this initially. When I started this, I asked several people, and put an announcement on the net, asking if anyone would like to lend a hand with the project. What reply did I get? 3 people from Southampton, one of which attempted to port the kernel to his RPC600, but couldn't carry on with it. > While I have every sympathy for your being overworked, it is entirely > through your own volition that you work on ARM Linux, and positively > against other people's wishes that you try to be the only person doing so. > Frankly, this is (a) bad planning, (b) insulting to the rest of the > community and (c) starts to give rise to doubts about your motives. Ohh no. If you think that then you've got the wrong end of the stick. The *last* thing that I want to do is to be the only person working on it. I'd like people to be working on it. I learnt from my previous release for the a5k that if you do put something up (and that took me 3 hours work on a directly connected ethernet), there are still a hell of a lot of people who will complain. I've been putting up kernel patches for a long time, so that people can work on it. I've said that there is incomplete ARM600 nor ARM700 support in there. Do you think that I've received any requests from people wanting to put it in? One, and nothing came of it. I haven't heard from him again. So, is it me not allowing people to work on it? >From what I've seen so far, people are all too keen to say 'Yes, I'd like to work on such-and-such', but when it actually comes down to it, nothing happens. I've seen this too many times. Ok Philip, you genuinely want to help, and have been wanting to help for a long time. You've sent me patches etc, which I have incorporated. You suggested the RedHat package manager, which I have followed. I've speeded up the console code, as you've asked for. Every time you ask for something, it stops me packaging up the binaries and source code to send out. People *can* work on ARM Linux right now if they want. All the patches for gcc, the kernel, binutils have been on the FTP site for a long time now. I know that the libc patches aren't there. Even if they were, they wouldn't be compilable under the 2.0 kernels, and that is known by the Linux community at large. What has become apparant is that people want a proper distribution. They want the binaries to be supplied to them, not patches. They don't want to apply patches. The net result is where we are now - three people working on ARM Linux. It is not insulting to the community. It is insulting to me that I have supplied patches and such like, and then only two people pick up on them and use them. That's really insulting. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 10 12:08:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA28919 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:08:18 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 51008 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12420-29223>; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:09:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971851-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 07:07:20 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971852-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 07:06:49 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wQA0Y-00061Z-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:08:10 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:08:10 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <485.199705100919@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 10 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > I wouldn't say that the vast majority of bugs are in the bootloader/kernel. > They do appear to be extremely stable. There are a few nigglies in there, of > course, but I'm not too concerned about them. What I am concerned about is > giving away a totally untried and untested set of packages, which for all I > know would be a total failure and a waste of my money. The packages have, on the whole, been tested by RedHat and thousands of users across the world. If they don't work properly on the ARM then the most likely cause is a bug in some part of the ARM system, not in the package. In any case, I'm prepared to run the risk. As Alan and I have both said, it doesn't matter too much if there are bugs - in the worst case, even if the CD _is_ only good as a coffee mat, people have only spent a few pounds on it. > > There is another way which you have been ignoring for the past four years. > > If you were to actually release source code so that other people could > > work on the project, rather than trying to do it all on your own, things > > would move forward an awful lot faster. > > I did not ignore this initially. When I started this, I asked several > people, and put an announcement on the net, asking if anyone would like > to lend a hand with the project. What reply did I get? 3 people from > Southampton, one of which attempted to port the kernel to his RPC600, > but couldn't carry on with it. That's how it goes with these things I'm afraid. When I started the hp300 port, I also posted to the net and got precisely no offers of help. Several people said "hey, that's a cool idea - let me know when you have something that works, and I'll help then" but nobody wanted to help with the gruesome business of hacking the low-level kernel code so that the thing would boot. > I've been putting up kernel patches for a long time, so that people can > work on it. I've said that there is incomplete ARM600 nor ARM700 support > in there. Do you think that I've received any requests from people wanting > to put it in? One, and nothing came of it. I haven't heard from him again. > So, is it me not allowing people to work on it? You haven't made it that easy. Kernel patches are all very well but people need to be able to try out what they do. If I hacked the kernel to add ARM6 support today (and I don't imagine it would take long), what would I do with it then? I'd have a kernel image that I hoped would work, but no way to boot it and no binaries to run under it even when it _was_ booted. There is a certain body of code that people need, ideally in both source and binary form (though just source would do) and that includes the kernel, the C library and the bootloader. Yes, you've released the kernel but you haven't released anything else. > I know that the libc patches aren't there. Even if they were, they wouldn't > be compilable under the 2.0 kernels, and that is known by the Linux community > at large. I'm sure we can work around that. I very much doubt it's a big problem. The Linux community at large isn't interested in libc4 any more, so we can't really expect them to help. > What has become apparant is that people want a proper distribution. They > want the binaries to be supplied to them, not patches. They don't want to > apply patches. The net result is where we are now - three people working > on ARM Linux. Yes, people in general want an easy life. That doesn't mean they don't want to help with writing the code (many people have mailed me saying they do) - just that they don't want to have to go through a lot of pain and suffering to do it. Cross-compiling a kernel seems quite straightforward to me, but then I've compiled thousands of kernels before. Cross-building an entire system to the point where it will boot and they can log in is at best an awful lot of work, even if you know what you're doing and have the hardware available, and at worst extremely difficult. Now, when we spoke on the phone on Monday evening you told me that my SyQuest was packed up and ready for you to post the following day. Assuming that really was the case, and it has at least some version (even if it's slightly old and buggy) of everything that people need, please do what you said you would and post it to me. Then I can cut the CDs, everybody can install it and we're all happy. Nobody who isn't on this mailing list is getting a CD, so they'll all have seen the amount of grief that has been involved in having them made, and I'm sure that if you don't want to be sent bug reports they will respect that. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 10 12:32:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA28998 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:32:20 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 54357 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12816-18850>; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:33:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971855-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 07:31:18 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971852-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 07:31:03 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wQANt-0006Ov-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:32:17 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:32:17 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <9705091421.AA27251@amu7.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 9 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > We don't want to end up with a distribution out there which looks like > a fully packaged soloution. That will mean we will have dumb users trying > to install it. Frankly I don't care _what_ we have. I'm not about to spend hours packaging everything up neatly, but I'm certainly not prepared to deliberately unpackage all the binaries we've already got just to make it difficult to install. > I'm not be prepared to be swamped with loads of lusers yet - when we > have something moderatly installable yes; but lets get people who > understand whats going on to debug it first. Let the users install it if they want. So long as people understand that the mailing list is their only source of support and nobody is obliged to help them (though I'm sure people will) we'll all get along just fine. You and Russell seem to be blowing the "naive user" problem up out of all proportion. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 10 21:04:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA30723 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 21:04:08 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32632 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <972-27840>; Sat, 10 May 1997 23:05:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972086-32754>; Sat, 10 May 1997 15:26:48 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972085-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 15:26:33 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wQHoR-0006Wy-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 20:28:11 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:28:11 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: Re: ARM patch for binutils 2.8.0.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sat, 10 May 1997, Philip Blundell wrote: > I'll make binaries later if I have time. I have done, for the ix86 at least. You can find them in the same place; the filename is: binutils-2.8.0.3-arm-linuxaout-970510.bin.i386.tar.gz You need to untar this under /usr/bin and make appropriate links in /usr/arm-linuxaout/bin. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 10 21:07:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA30736 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 21:07:33 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32632 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13045-27840>; Sat, 10 May 1997 23:08:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972089-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 15:57:25 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971298-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 15:57:10 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wQIHz-0006ul-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 20:58:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:58:43 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: couple of patches Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Here are some patches to go on top of Russell's 970505 2.0.30 patch. I need the first two to build successfully, and the third removes a `tr' call that is no longer needed if you use the new binutils. p. --- linux-arm-2.0.30-clean/arch/arm/drivers/char/Makefile Sat May 10 20:40:43 1997 +++ linux-arm-2.0.30/arch/arm/drivers/char/Makefile Sat May 10 20:44:13 1997 @@ -156,7 +156,7 @@ if [ ! -e $$f ]; then \ echo "ln -s ../../../../drivers/char/$$f .";\ ln -s ../../../../drivers/char/$$f .; \ - fi \ + fi ; \ done mrproper: diff -u --recursive linux-arm-2.0.30-clean/arch/arm/drivers/net/Makefile linux-arm-2.0.30/arch/arm/drivers/net/Makefile --- linux-arm-2.0.30-clean/arch/arm/drivers/net/Makefile Sat May 10 20:40:43 1997 +++ linux-arm-2.0.30/arch/arm/drivers/net/Makefile Sat May 10 20:54:43 1997 @@ -148,7 +148,7 @@ if [ ! -e $$f ]; then \ echo "ln -s ../../../../drivers/net/$$f .";\ ln -s ../../../../drivers/net/$$f .; \ - fi \ + fi ; \ done mrproper: diff -u --recursive linux-arm-2.0.30-clean/arch/arm/lib/Makefile linux-arm-2.0.30/arch/arm/lib/Makefile --- linux-arm-2.0.30-clean/arch/arm/lib/Makefile Sat May 10 20:40:45 1997 +++ linux-arm-2.0.30/arch/arm/lib/Makefile Sat May 10 20:41:07 1997 @@ -51,10 +51,5 @@ $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c getconsdata.c $(PERL) extractinfo.perl $(OBJDUMP) > $@ -%.o: %.S - $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -E $< | tr ';$$' '\n#' > ..tmp.s - $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c -o $@ ..tmp.s - $(RM) ..tmp.s - clean: $(RM) getconstants constants.h getconstants.h From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 10 21:08:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA30743 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 21:08:43 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 32632 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12862-18850>; Sat, 10 May 1997 23:09:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971981-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 13:58:51 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971020-32752>; Sat, 10 May 1997 13:58:35 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wQGRB-0005J3-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 19:00:05 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 19:00:05 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm , hjl@gnu.ai.mit.edu, prc@sysmag.com Subject: ARM patch for binutils 2.8.0.3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi guys. I've made a new arm-linux patch for binutils 2.8.0.3. This one should allow you to use '$' instead of '#' to introduce immediate operations, which is handy if you need to preprocess your code (cpp barfs on '#') - this will affect all arm configurations, not just linux. Please check it out. You can get the patch at ftp://kc.london.uk.eu.org/pub/binutils-2.8.0.3-arm-diff-970510.gz I'll make binaries later if I have time. HJ, can you include this in the next binutils beta release? Thanks. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun May 11 01:27:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA31683 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 01:27:46 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 45913 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12594-28320>; Sun, 11 May 1997 03:28:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971907-32754>; Sat, 10 May 1997 20:26:14 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971903-32754>; Sat, 10 May 1997 20:25:58 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wQMU8-0003AQ-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 01:27:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:27:32 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: another small patch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO This is needed to build compressed kernels on a glibc-based host system. p. --- linux-arm-2.0.30-clean/arch/arm/boot/compressed/misc.c Sat May 10 20:40:42 1997 +++ linux-arm-2.0.30/arch/arm/boot/compressed/misc.c Sun May 11 01:15:11 1997 @@ -7,6 +7,7 @@ * malloc by Hannu Savolainen 1993 and Matthias Urlichs 1994 */ +#include #include #include #include From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun May 11 18:45:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA02214 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 18:45:20 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 7433 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <999-806>; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:46:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972026-32752>; Sun, 11 May 1997 13:43:57 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972020-32752>; Sun, 11 May 1997 13:43:40 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wQcgg-00044N-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 18:45:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:45:34 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: glibc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi guys. I just sent some more patches to Ulrich to improve the ARM support in glibc, for both arm-linuxaout (ARMLinux) and arm-none (embedded system) configurations. They should be in the next snapshot. If you want to look at them now you can find my diffs against the 970511 snapshot at ftp://kc.london.uk.eu.org/pub/glibc-arm-diff-970511 There are still some functions that need writing, notably clone(). If anybody feels like doing this please say so. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon May 12 19:39:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA07377 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:39:29 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 34330 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <662-27721>; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:39:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972189-262>; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:54:50 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972204-262>; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:54:17 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wQzJA-0001Bz-00; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:54:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:54:48 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Andy Hayward cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <199705091451.PAA29945@diamond.tao.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 9 May 1997, Andy Hayward wrote: > Assuming the development utils, such as the cross compiler, can be > built using a 'standard' linux-ix86 installation, then prebuilt binaries Yeah, they can. There's no magic involved. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 13 10:31:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA10297 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:31:36 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 33393 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12853-14736>; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:11:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970965-262>; Tue, 13 May 1997 05:07:11 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971068-262>; Tue, 13 May 1997 05:06:14 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id JAA24505; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:55:38 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705130855.JAA24505@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:55:34 +0100 (BST) Cc: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 10, 97 12:08:10 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > I know that the libc patches aren't there. Even if they were, they wouldn't > > be compilable under the 2.0 kernels, and that is known by the Linux community > > at large. > > I'm sure we can work around that. I very much doubt it's a big problem. > The Linux community at large isn't interested in libc4 any more, so we > can't really expect them to help. Well one thing you can do Phil if you are temporarily paused is to build an a.out libc5. Ok we lose the dyanmic link -ldl stuff but I don't see why a bit of GBH wont make the rest of it build a.out ;) > everybody can install it and we're all happy. Nobody who isn't on this > mailing list is getting a CD, so they'll all have seen the amount of grief > that has been involved in having them made, and I'm sure that if you don't > want to be sent bug reports they will respect that. An installable selfhosting system (however wobbly) is an important step forward for people with only Arc machines. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 13 11:46:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA10638 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:46:15 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 17434 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <121-32299>; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:46:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970859-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:44:39 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970864-262>; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:44:24 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRF52-0007GP-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:45:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:45:16 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Alan Cox cc: linuxarm Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <199705130855.JAA24505@snowcrash.cymru.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 13 May 1997, Alan Cox wrote: > Well one thing you can do Phil if you are temporarily paused is to build > an a.out libc5. Ok we lose the dyanmic link -ldl stuff but I don't see why > a bit of GBH wont make the rest of it build a.out ;) I thought of that, but it didn't really seem worth it at the time. I was hoping that with only a bit more work I could build an a.out glibc, and we could skip libc5 entirely for the ARM. In terms of the glibc library code I think about 90% of it is done now - we don't have the crt startup files yet though. Nor does it do .sa a.out-style shared libraries, and I'm not totally sure whether that's worth putting in or not. Is there any reason why libc5 is particularly desirable? I was working on the assumption that we just wanted something better than libc4. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 13 13:09:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA11036 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:09:16 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 49534 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <980-23668>; Tue, 13 May 1997 15:06:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970924-262>; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:04:43 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970920-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:04:05 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRGKC-00019x-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:05:00 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:05:00 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Andy Hayward cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <199705091451.PAA29945@diamond.tao.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 9 May 1997, Andy Hayward wrote: > What I'm looking for on the CD is: The disk from Russell arrived this morning, and I'm about to start cutting the CDs now. I'll send them out to everybody from whom I've had a cheque later on today. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 13 14:45:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA11434 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:45:22 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 37893 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <434-20446>; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:44:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970990-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:42:57 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970982-262>; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:40:27 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRHoC-0002pv-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:40:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:40:04 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Chris Webb cc: linuxarm Subject: Re: CD-ROM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 6 May 1997, Chris Webb wrote: > and running, in which case I'd be very interested in a copy: an ftp-able > version would be just as good to me as a CD-Rom, but whatever's convenient I've put a copy of the contents of the CD at ftp://ftp.london.uk.eu.org/pub/armlinux/ I don't know how long it will stay there though. I think Alan is planning to make the CD available as well once he gets it. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 13 14:46:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA11438 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:46:02 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 37893 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <207-23668>; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:45:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970977-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:43:52 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971004-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:43:21 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRHqN-0002ra-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:42:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:42:19 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Boris Boesler cc: linuxarm Subject: Re: CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <"iraun1.ira.413:07.05.97.09.00.09"@ira.uka.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 7 May 1997, Boris Boesler wrote: > Will this include a StrongARM version? No precompiled binaries are included on this CD. You need access to a machine to cross-compile from. Russell didn't provide me with any binaries and I don't have time to build them all at the moment; it seemed better to get what I had out than wait even longer. For people who just want to _use_ the system rather than develop it, I'll try and do a second CD sometime in the future with binaries and some sort of installer. p. From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Tue May 13 15:57:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA11659 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 15:57:21 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id OAA08393 for arm-linux-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:56:51 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from postman.essex.ac.uk (postman.essex.ac.uk [155.245.10.14]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with ESMTP id OAA08388 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:56:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from sunlab4 (actually host sunlab4.essex.ac.uk) by postman.essex.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 13 May 1997 14:56:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:56:33 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Johns X-Sender: cmjohnj@sunlab4 To: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Subject: Arm700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Just a quick question - how is development for the Arm700 kernel progressing? Thanks! @ @ ____________ \ ^ / (_hris _)ohns - cmjohns@essex.ac.uk ===== From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 13 16:11:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA11743 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:11:50 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 15217 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <623-32299>; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:11:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970862-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:09:50 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970861-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:09:15 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id QAA03986; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:09:22 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705131509.QAA03986@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: CD-ROM To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:09:18 +0100 (BST) Cc: cdw21@cam.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 13, 97 02:40:04 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I don't know how long it will stay there though. I think Alan is > planning to make the CD available as well once he gets it. Yes with luck From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 13 16:13:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA11751 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:13:58 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 15217 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <729-23668>; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:13:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970870-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:11:27 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970861-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:11:11 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id QAA04006; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:10:21 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705131510.QAA04006@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:10:06 +0100 (BST) Cc: ach@diamond.tao.co.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 13, 97 01:05:00 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > The disk from Russell arrived this morning, and I'm about to start cutting > the CDs now. I'll send them out to everybody from whom I've had a cheque > later on today. Ok many thanks Russell. I'll see this lot gets put up where its accessible and I'll try and finish sorting out a src.doc or funet mirror of it From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 13 17:49:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA12071 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:49:07 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 1376 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <352-32299>; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:48:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970883-262>; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:46:49 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970821-262>; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:46:34 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRKC0-0005IR-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:12:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:12:48 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Chris Johns cc: linuxarm Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 13 May 1997, Chris Johns wrote: > Just a quick question - how is development for the Arm700 kernel > progressing? Apparently Martin Ebourne is working on it. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 13 17:51:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA12085 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:51:13 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 58720 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12644-23668>; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:49:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970821-262>; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:47:11 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970929-262>; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:46:34 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRKjU-0005ui-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:47:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:47:23 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: Ill luck Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO No sooner does the Linux stuff turn up than my A5000 decides to keel over and die. *sigh* p. From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Tue May 13 19:47:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA12521 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:47:54 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id TAA10871 for arm-linux-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:18:51 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk (rhdt@zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk [128.40.1.19]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with SMTP id TAA10863 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:18:38 +0100 (BST) Received: by zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA27989; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:21:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:21:51 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: Chris Johns Cc: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 13 May 1997, Chris Johns wrote: > Hi > > Just a quick question - how is development for the Arm700 kernel > progressing? > Dunno. Things are going rather slowly since, IIRC, Russ is bogged down with a "real" job. I'm having problems getting the a5k kernel started on my A3020. For some reason, the kernel uncompresses ok sometimes, but other times gives an "invalid compressed format" error. I can't isolate what makes it work and what breaks it.... anyone had similar experiences? cheers Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Wed May 14 00:03:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA13487 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:03:52 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id XAA12508 for arm-linux-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:44:23 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from zeus.tcp.net.uk (zeus.tcp.net.uk [195.80.0.33]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with ESMTP id XAA12503 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:44:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from galaxy.tcp.co.uk (du-158.tcp.co.uk [195.80.1.158]) by zeus.tcp.net.uk (8.7.6/8.7) with SMTP id XAA22282; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:44:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:39:05 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Ebourne Subject: Re: Arm700 To: Richard Townsend Cc: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk, Chris Johns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue 13 May, Richard Townsend wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Chris Johns wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Just a quick question - how is development for the Arm700 kernel > > progressing? > > > > Dunno. Things are going rather slowly since, IIRC, Russ is bogged down > with a "real" job. Actually despite that Russ has managed to get most of an ARM Red Hat 4.0/4.1 system packaged! [For non-linux people, Red Hat is one of the popular distributions. It's by far the best which is why I originally suggested Russ used their tools and system. ;) 4.1 is the latest version, the ARM one Russ has made is a hybrid with 4.0 approx.] As to the 700 version - there isn't one yet because Russ doesn't have a 600/700 and I haven't got the sources. He's is supposed to be visiting me this weekend with all the bits (otherwise I'll visit him with a baseball bat ;)). My machine is a 610 so by next week there MIGHT be a real Red Hat distribution on the ftp site [I have out of hours ethernet access] which supports at least ARM600/700 and SA. Otherwise Russ might have a few bruises. :-) -- Martin Ebourne mailto:martin@galaxy.tcp.co.uk From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Wed May 14 00:19:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA13538 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:19:33 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id AAA12806 for arm-linux-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:05:26 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from sun.rhbnc.ac.uk (zhap076@sun.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.200.157]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with ESMTP id AAA12801 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:05:15 +0100 (BST) Received: (from zhap076@localhost) by sun.rhbnc.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16698; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:05:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 00:05:12 +0100 (BST) From: "mord@null.net " To: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 13 May 1997, Martin Ebourne wrote: > On Tue 13 May, Richard Townsend wrote: > > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Chris Johns wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > Just a quick question - how is development for the Arm700 kernel > > > progressing? > > > > > > > Dunno. Things are going rather slowly since, IIRC, Russ is bogged down > > with a "real" job. > > Actually despite that Russ has managed to get most of an ARM Red Hat 4.0/4.1 > system packaged! [For non-linux people, Red Hat is one of the popular > distributions. It's by far the best which is why I originally suggested Russ > used their tools and system. ;) 4.1 is the latest version, the ARM one Russ > has made is a hybrid with 4.0 approx.] > > As to the 700 version - there isn't one yet because Russ doesn't have a > 600/700 and I haven't got the sources. He's is supposed to be visiting me > this weekend with all the bits (otherwise I'll visit him with a baseball bat > ;)). My machine is a 610 so by next week there MIGHT be a real Red Hat > distribution on the ftp site [I have out of hours ethernet access] which > supports at least ARM600/700 and SA. Otherwise Russ might have a few bruises. > :-) > Now now, be nice =c) So there IS a release of the new armlinux kernels around! I haven't heard anything at all about it and was giving up hope. Two questions.. a) Does this release include the ethernet code for ALL types of ethernet card usable on the A5000? I ( a long time ago) tried to install the net release disks for the 1.3.35 kernel and it didn't work because Russ only had the manufacter's ID for his make of ethernet card, while mine is the same kind, but made my different people. I can't remember the exact details but I supplied the info Russ needed and he said he had put it in. Unfortunately he's been so busy that no new kernel has appeared on the ftp site so I've been waiting in vain for a long time =c(. b) How can I get a hold of this distribution? hang on! I thought of another question! =c) c) Does this distribution include the strongarm kernel? I know somebody with a 40Meg strongarm (that's 40M of memory *slaver*.. us poor students make do with a 4Meg A5000 =c).. which would zip along with linux quite nicely =c). Well.. that's quite enough typing.. I'm off.. Si From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 01:16:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA13709 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:15:59 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 52800 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12350-23513>; Wed, 14 May 1997 03:15:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970939-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 20:13:18 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970908-258>; Tue, 13 May 1997 20:12:47 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRRhN-0004nZ-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:13:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 01:13:41 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: "mord@null.net " cc: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk, linuxarm Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997, mord@null.net wrote: > So there IS a release of the new armlinux kernels around! I > haven't heard anything at all about it and was giving up hope. Two > questions.. That's probably because you're on the wrong list. For anybody else who's still using the tardis list, all ARMLinux discussion has been taking place on the vger list for several months now. p. From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Wed May 14 01:33:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA13763 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:33:51 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id BAA13167 for arm-linux-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:13:54 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with SMTP id BAA13159 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:13:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRRhN-0004nZ-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:13:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 01:13:41 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: "mord@null.net " cc: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk, linuxarm Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997, mord@null.net wrote: > So there IS a release of the new armlinux kernels around! I > haven't heard anything at all about it and was giving up hope. Two > questions.. That's probably because you're on the wrong list. For anybody else who's still using the tardis list, all ARMLinux discussion has been taking place on the vger list for several months now. p. From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Wed May 14 01:37:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA13778 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:37:39 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id BAA13161 for arm-linux-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:13:46 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk (rhdt@zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk [128.40.1.19]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with SMTP id BAA13153 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:13:39 +0100 (BST) Received: by zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA31527; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:16:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 01:16:53 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997, mord@null.net wrote: > a) Does this release include the ethernet code for ALL types of ethernet > card usable on the A5000? I ( a long time ago) tried to install the net > release disks for the 1.3.35 kernel and it didn't work because Russ only > had the manufacter's ID for his make of ethernet card, while mine is the > same kind, but made my different people. I can't remember the exact > details but I supplied the info Russ needed and he said he had put it in. > Unfortunately he's been so busy that no new kernel has appeared on the > ftp site so I've been waiting in vain for a long time =c(. There is almost all of the "new" stuff on the ftp site now - kernels for a5k and strongarm, along with loaders, partitioners and whatnot. All that we are waiting for is the boot and installation disks, which according to Martin will appear this weekend - nice one chaps! The problems I have mentioned with decompressing the kernel occur with this new 2.0.28/29 a5k kernel - anyone else experienced this? I had the same sort of problem with the 1.3.35 net kernel - my ANT Ether3-8 card was recognised, but things didn't work when I tried to take it up with ifconfig - device not found errors, IIRC. Hopefully, this has been fixed.... BTW, if anyone has tried out the cross-compiler which is pointed to by the arm linux web page (can't remember offhand who ported it), I found that cc1 (the compiler backend) was broken (using a Pentium), and so I've recompiled it. I can't garauntee it works completely, but if you want a "fixed" version try ftping to ftp://ftp.star.ucl.ac.uk/pub/rhdt/cc1.tgz Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 08:53:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA15111 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:53:20 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 41997 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12446-23513>; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:53:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970939-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 03:51:25 -0400 Received: from hillfoot.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.30.12]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970910-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 03:51:07 -0400 Received: from lms.student.gla.ac.uk (actually host gucs_student.cent.gla.ac.uk) by hillfoot.cent.gla.ac.uk with SMTP-GLA (PP); Wed, 14 May 1997 08:52:04 +0100 Received: from STUDENT_CC/SpoolDir by lms.student.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 May 97 08:52:04 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by STUDENT_CC (Mercury 1.30); 14 May 97 08:51:28 +0000 From: James Craig <9606585c@student.gla.ac.uk> Organization: Glasgow University To: rkm92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:51:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <6CE2B30BB@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO The only reason linux on the ix86 took off at all was that the source code was freely available so that people could work on it - without the source code, the ARM version of linux is just going to die, since only one person can work on it. The reason linux works at all is that it's free, so *anyone* can work on it. That's the whole point of the bloody thing - we'd be using RiscIX if we wanted a supported, you-can't-do-anything-to-this product. So, surely you could release the source code, even if you have to stick a great big "Do not email me about this" all over it - the number of people who'd be working on this isn't so large it would be a problem anyway. It would be "extremely foolish" of you not to release the code when there's a reasonable number of us here quite prepared to help, if we can only get the source to work on. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 10:32:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA15470 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:32:07 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 19028 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12880-21309>; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:28:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970910-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 05:26:54 -0400 Received: from diamond.tao.co.uk ([158.152.120.224]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970961-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 05:26:38 -0400 Received: from diamond.tao.co.uk (ach@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diamond.tao.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21175; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:27:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199705140927.KAA21175@diamond.tao.co.uk> To: James Craig <9606585c@student.gla.ac.uk> cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 May 1997 08:51:20 -0000." <6CE2B30BB@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:27:36 +0100 From: Andy Hayward Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >So, surely you could release the source code, even if you have to >stick a great big "Do not email me about this" all over it - the >number of people who'd be working on this isn't so large it would be >a problem anyway. > >It would be "extremely foolish" of you not to release the code when >there's a reasonable number of us here quite prepared to help, if we >can only get the source to work on. I'm sure Russell will release the source code, _when_ he's happy with it (You will, won't you Russell?). I agree with him that it would be extremely foolish to release it when it has a large number of (possibly known) bugs. Even with a few people working on the same code, it could easily get unmanagable. ach From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 11:22:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA15742 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:22:31 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 23052 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13271-23513>; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:21:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970969-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 06:19:58 -0400 Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk ([194.112.32.10]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970971-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 06:19:42 -0400 Received: from m072 (charon.cursci.co.uk [194.129.118.1]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10070 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:20:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <337990A7.8C213F1A@dircon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:15:03 +0100 From: Kaustav Bhattacharya Reply-To: kozzey@dircon.co.uk Organization: Electronic Press Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705140927.KAA21175@diamond.tao.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO And of course there could be a hush-hush fancy big-wig deal going on in the background we all don't know about with some big company. Yes, I can see it, ARM-Linux, the new industry standard. SUN files for liquidtion as Solaris shares crash on the NASDAQ stock exchange. Oh yes, oh yes!!! Russell, lets here it for ARM-Linux!!! :P Kozzey. Andy Hayward wrote: > > >So, surely you could release the source code, even if you have to > >stick a great big "Do not email me about this" all over it - the > >number of people who'd be working on this isn't so large it would be > >a problem anyway. > > > >It would be "extremely foolish" of you not to release the code when > >there's a reasonable number of us here quite prepared to help, if we > >can only get the source to work on. > > I'm sure Russell will release the source code, _when_ he's happy with > it (You will, won't you Russell?). I agree with him that it would be > extremely foolish to release it when it has a large number of (possibly > known) bugs. Even with a few people working on the same code, it could > easily get unmanagable. > > ach -- Kaustav Bhattacharya http://redhotcountry.co.uk/ - Europe's eye on Country Music http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~kozzey/ - Kozzey's Dimension kozzey@dircon.co.uk or kozzey@cursci.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 11:50:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA15925 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:50:48 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 24608 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13145-17210>; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:50:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970984-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 06:49:15 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970971-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 06:48:59 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id LAA06873; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:42:25 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705141042.LAA06873@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions To: ach@tao.co.uk (Andy Hayward) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:42:20 +0100 (BST) Cc: 9606585c@student.gla.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199705140927.KAA21175@diamond.tao.co.uk> from "Andy Hayward" at May 14, 97 10:27:36 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > it (You will, won't you Russell?). I agree with him that it would be > extremely foolish to release it when it has a large number of (possibly > known) bugs. Even with a few people working on the same code, it could > easily get unmanagable. Well the CDROM #1 is currently uploading. It should be on the end of a 2Mbit line by Monday. It doesn't have the X stuff on it but there is enough to keep you all busy and out of Russell's hair for a while tidying this lot up. I'm not prepared to create an incoming and don't have a lot more space on that machine for more than the CD image but I'll try and get something nicely sorted out with the ftp.uk.linux.org folks soon From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 12:15:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA16025 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:15:49 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 9515 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <878-23513>; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:15:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970977-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:13:34 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970971-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:13:18 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRbz7-00043T-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:12:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:12:41 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> cc: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk, linuxarm Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: <337994C5.6B54@but.auc.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > I have been trying to install linux on my StrongARM'ed RPC, but when the > kernel loads, I get a strange error: Something like "Illegal magic (some > address) in bmap file - aborting" why do I get this error? Can you be more specific about the error? It would be good to know the exact text of the error (I couldn't find the one you described anywhere in the kernel source) and a better idea of _when_ it happens. p. From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Wed May 14 12:46:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA16174 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:46:24 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id LAA16602 for arm-linux-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:33:10 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk (root@calcit.but.auc.dk [130.225.56.2]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with ESMTP id LAA16597 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:33:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc144-2-3 (pc144-2-3.but.auc.dk [130.225.56.142]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04947; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:32:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <337994C5.6B54@but.auc.dk> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:32:37 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Reply-To: 36jan@but.auc.dk Organization: Quercus X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Subject: Installation problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi. I have been trying to install linux on my StrongARM'ed RPC, but when the kernel loads, I get a strange error: Something like "Illegal magic (some address) in bmap file - aborting" why do I get this error? Thank you! Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan/ Fidonet 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 13:48:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA16425 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:48:34 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 54133 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12973-21309>; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:48:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970974-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:46:16 -0400 Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk ([130.88.13.4]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970968-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:45:58 -0400 Received: from amu6.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA15306; Wed, 14 May 97 13:41:55 BST Date: Wed, 14 May 97 13:41:53 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705141241.AA11998@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, rhdt@star.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booting probs Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO If you've got intermittent problems I'd try booting it from a completely clean system each time; boot with shift held down to make sure there is nothing else in, and then ctrl-shift-f12 twice (if you weren't already at a prompt). Now - does it always produce the same results if you do that? Dave From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Wed May 14 16:54:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA17062 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:54:57 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id PAA17929 for arm-linux-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:54:03 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-7.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with SMTP id PAA17924 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:53:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from afawcett.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.48]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0613566; 14 May 97 15:31 BST Received: from [127.0.0.1] by afawcett.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:37:46 GMT Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:34:24 +0100 From: Andy Fawcett To: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Subject: Re: Arm700 Message-ID: <478A17B0DC%tap@lspace.org> In-Reply-To: Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!) X-Mailer: Messenger v0.30 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-21 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59-beta-4 Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message Philip Blundell wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 1997, mord@null.net wrote: > >> So there IS a release of the new armlinux kernels around! I haven't >> heard anything at all about it and was giving up hope. Two >> questions.. > That's probably because you're on the wrong list. For anybody else > who's still using the tardis list, all ARMLinux discussion has been > taking place on the vger list for several months now. Both lists had been quiet lately, so I thought that nothing much was happening... I guess my sub to the vger list has been dropped for some reason, and since I've lost the instructions for that list, could somebody mail me them please? Cheers, -- Andy Fawcett a.f.p. recipes (recipe-serv@lspace.org) http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/ send mail with subject 'send index' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You will visit the Dung Pits of Glive soon. From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Wed May 14 19:27:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA17591 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 19:27:47 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id SAA19321 for arm-linux-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 18:58:07 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from calcit.but.auc.dk (root@calcit.but.auc.dk [130.225.56.2]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with ESMTP id SAA19314 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 18:57:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from 36jan.but.auc.dk (ppp-9.aua.auc.dk [130.225.192.75]) by calcit.but.auc.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14596; Wed, 14 May 1997 19:57:48 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:21:23 +0200 From: Jan Magnussen <36jan@but.auc.dk> Subject: Re: Installation problems To: Philip Blundell Cc: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Quercus. Denmark. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed 14 May, Philip Blundell wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 1997, Jan Magnussen wrote: > > > I have been trying to install linux on my StrongARM'ed RPC, but when the > > kernel loads, I get a strange error: Something like "Illegal magic (some > > address) in bmap file - aborting" why do I get this error? > > Can you be more specific about the error? It would be good to know the > exact text of the error (I couldn't find the one you described anywhere in > the kernel source) and a better idea of _when_ it happens. OK. Here goes: Here is a copy of SCSI::Main.$.!Boot.Choices.Linux.Config: # Linux Boot Configuration file # *** This file is automatically generated by !LinConfig - do not edit!!! *** # List kernels at startup List: off # # Partition containing kernels Root: ADFS::IdeA.$.Linux.rpc-2/0/30 # # Partition List Partitions: 0301 $.Linux.BootDisk 0301 $.Linux.Part1 0301 $.Linux.Swap 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 The BootDisk partition is a Partition I found under /old/ (I think) on the ARMLinux ftp-site. The two other partitions are made manually and contains only 0's (that's ascii 0). I have a Powertec SCSI-II card on which HD my BootLoader software is on, but I don't think that that card is supported (yet?). The two empty partitions are just test partitions and are only 10MB a piece. The problem is when I double-click on the !Linux app then the program returns a "Invalid magic (EA000006) in bmap file - aborting"-error. This is as much detail as I can give you. I hope it is enough? Thanx! Jan Magnussen http://www.but.auc.dk/~36jan Fidonet : 2:234/181.8 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 20:47:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA17851 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:47:02 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 12856 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <424-15247>; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:45:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970982-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:15:21 -0400 Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk ([130.88.13.4]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970980-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:15:02 -0400 Received: from amu6.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA17793; Wed, 14 May 97 15:15:47 BST Date: Wed, 14 May 97 15:15:43 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705141415.AA12073@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: cross compile Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, Russ and myself have just spent the last few hours getting Linux going on a RPC with a 610 - its not thre yet, it needs the abort handlers doing. But one thing which has come up is that the libgcc.a in the cross compile binaries on ftp.compsoc are wrong when compiling for the ARM6/7/etc - they are still trying to do some MOVS PC,... or LDM ^'s. I'll fix it over the weekend - or you could do it the real way like we did with Zap.... Dave From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 20:50:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA17861 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:49:59 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 12856 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12453-17210>; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:48:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971057-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:43:44 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971053-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:43:29 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRfHz-0001CY-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:44:23 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:44:23 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: cross compile In-Reply-To: <9705141415.AA12073@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > But one thing which has come up is that the libgcc.a in the cross compile > binaries on ftp.compsoc are wrong when compiling for the ARM6/7/etc - they are > still trying to do some MOVS PC,... or LDM ^'s. Is there actually any way to generate a libgcc.a that will work with both architectures? If not we probably ought to try to find some way to do it by having two of them and altering the specs file. Also, what's the situation with moving user binaries between arm3 and arm6 machines? E p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 20:54:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA17884 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:54:00 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 12856 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <672-21309>; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:48:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971078-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:22:57 -0400 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.100.24]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971092-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:21:46 -0400 Received: from star.ucl.ac.uk (actually zuaxp3.star.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 14 May 1997 14:57:45 +0100 Received: by star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA04306; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:00:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:00:45 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: David Alan Gilbert Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Booting probs In-Reply-To: <9705141241.AA11998@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > If you've got intermittent problems I'd try booting it from a completely clean > system each time; boot with shift held down to make sure there is nothing > else in, and then ctrl-shift-f12 twice (if you weren't > already at a prompt). > > Now - does it always produce the same results if you do that? > Oops - yet again I pull off a no-brainer. On a completely clean machine (booting to the CLI) it runs without errors. Duh! Should have thought of that. I was considering my m/c to be "clean" after rebooting into RISCOS with no filer windows opened or apps booted, but that does not appear to be clean enuff. Cheers! One other problem I have is the !Config app - it appears to lock my machine every time. Any suggestions (obviously I'll have to boot into RISCOS to use it) Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 20:56:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA17898 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:56:24 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 12856 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13080-15247>; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:51:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971082-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:09:42 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971080-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:09:20 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRfgm-00020r-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:10:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:10:00 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: Philip Blundell To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: cross compile In-Reply-To: <9705141505.AA12138@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > The only difference is the question of how to end a procedure, so on an ARM6 > you do: Yes, I know what the difference is. I'll rephrase the question. If I build a binary on an ARM3 machine (using -marm3) and try to run it on an ARM710, say, which of the following will it do? - work correctly - silently go wrong - refuse to execute p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 20:56:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA17900 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:56:27 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 12856 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12617-15247>; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:51:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971095-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:22:22 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971078-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:21:47 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wRfqO-0002Je-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:19:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:19:55 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: cross compile In-Reply-To: <9705141515.AA12181@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > in user mode on an ARM710 the results are probably undefined, but in practice > it will probably survive and just not restore the flags. So the net effect is > that the code will survive but the flags will have changed over the course > of the function. Now I guess (but don't actually know) that there are fairly > few places which actually depend on flags being preserved accross a procedure > call so if your really lucky it will execte correctly. But it could > just go wrong. That's what I thought. In that case we should possibly provide some mechanism to stop people falling into this trap. Subtle condition code corruptions could cause some quite insidious bugs. > Now of course the catch here is that if the ARM710 is running full 26 > bit mode then it will quite happily execute the ARM3 code. Now I think > Linux does that - but in that case things should becompiled with -m3. Oh, right. I thought Linux ran everything in 32-bit mode if it could. I don't have an ARM6 machine here to try it on though. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 21:01:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA17921 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 21:01:44 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 12856 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12419-17210>; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:55:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971079-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:05:12 -0400 Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk ([130.88.13.4]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971078-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:04:45 -0400 Received: from amu6.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA19260; Wed, 14 May 97 16:05:31 BST Date: Wed, 14 May 97 16:05:29 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705141505.AA12138@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> To: gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk, pjb27@cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: cross compile Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Is there actually any way to generate a libgcc.a that will work with both > architectures? If not we probably ought to try to find some way to do it > by having two of them and altering the specs file. Well that depends what you meen. libgcc.a actualyl has two copies built so that lib/gcc-lib/.../m6 contains the one for the ARM6 and .../m2 contains the one for earlier machines and the OS. The only difference is the question of how to end a procedure, so on an ARM6 you do: MOV PC,R14 or a plain LDM ...{ ...PC} on an ARM 2/3 MOVS PC,R14 or LDM ...{...PC}^ which causes the flags to be preserved accross the function. The same instruction on an ARM6 will cause the SPSR to be restored to the CPSR which reaks havoc if you happen to call this in the middle of some particularly mundane kernel code (in this case the bit doing a division to calculate the time). Dave From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 21:01:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA17923 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 21:01:45 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 12856 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12742-15247>; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:51:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971086-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:15:04 -0400 Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk ([130.88.13.4]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971073-262>; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:14:49 -0400 Received: from amu6.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA19709; Wed, 14 May 97 16:15:44 BST Date: Wed, 14 May 97 16:15:38 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705141515.AA12181@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> To: gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk, pjb27@cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: cross compile Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > If I build a binary on an ARM3 machine (using -marm3) and try to run it on > an ARM710, say, which of the following will it do? > > - work correctly > - silently go wrong > - refuse to execute Good question! Lets ignore kernel code for a minute (because that definitly would fail). If you exit a function with MOVS PC,R14 in user mode on an ARM710 the results are probably undefined, but in practice it will probably survive and just not restore the flags. So the net effect is that the code will survive but the flags will have changed over the course of the function. Now I guess (but don't actually know) that there are fairly few places which actually depend on flags being preserved accross a procedure call so if your really lucky it will execte correctly. But it could just go wrong. Now of course the catch here is that if the ARM710 is running full 26 bit mode then it will quite happily execute the ARM3 code. Now I think Linux does that - but in that case things should becompiled with -m3. Dave From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 14 21:24:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA18057 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 21:24:30 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 12856 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12970-23513>; Wed, 14 May 1997 23:05:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971142-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:50:06 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971150-258>; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:49:32 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id RAA17357; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:44:03 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705141644.RAA17357@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Booting probs To: rhdt@star.ucl.ac.uk (Richard Townsend) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:43:59 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Richard Townsend" at May 14, 97 01:17:54 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ok I've got the CD and uploaded a few test items. I'll upload the lot over the next few days and open the site hopefully at the weekend, when the new 2Mbit line is in Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 15 10:26:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA20688 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:26:10 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 15900 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12728-30890>; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:22:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971320-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:21:03 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971315-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:20:30 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id KAA20633 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:19:56 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199705150919.KAA20633@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:19:55 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Since the two architectures /are/ different, it would make sense to have two different magic numbers - one for 26 bit code and one for 32 bit code. It would then be possible to have a binfmt_aout26 module that would do the necessary magic to run the app in 26 bit code space if you weren't going to run 26 bit code often. As far as I can see, this should be a matter of setting the appropriate bit in the CPSW to set the flag. 32 bit data should still be okay, I think. An alternative measure would be to compile all code for 32 bit - it will run on all machines; the only problem will be that it's slightly less efficient. Obviously, that's not terribly good for the kernel; I think we should always have a specific architecture set up for the kernel - since that's the least of the worries. From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Thu May 15 15:57:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA22025 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:57:49 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wS1z9-0003iK-00; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:58:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:58:27 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <199705150919.KAA20633@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Thu, 15 May 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Since the two architectures /are/ different, it would make sense to have > two different magic numbers - one for 26 bit code and one for 32 bit code. > It would then be possible to have a binfmt_aout26 module that would do > the necessary magic to run the app in 26 bit code space if you weren't > going to run 26 bit code often. As far as I can see, this should be > a matter of setting the appropriate bit in the CPSW to set the flag. > 32 bit data should still be okay, I think. That's basically what I was thinking. > Obviously, that's not terribly good for the kernel; I think we should > always have a specific architecture set up for the kernel - since that's > the least of the worries. Of course. Given that the drivers and so on need to be different, compiling for a specific CPU is a trivial matter. But people ought to be able to take a user binary of unknown provenance, and either run it in the knowledge that it will work correctly, or (at worst) get an error message. Random lossage is not an acceptable option. ;-) p. From gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk Thu May 15 16:10:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk (0@m1.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.4]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id QAA22079 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:10:53 +0100 Received: from amu6.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA18598; Thu, 15 May 97 16:11:37 BST Date: Thu, 15 May 97 16:11:36 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705151511.AA13376@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility Status: RO I'm wondering if the right thing to do is to move to fully 32 bit in the 2.1.x series when we move to ELF. The thing is the old machines (A400's etc) just aren't going to be able to cope with ELF; with only 128x32K pages and the extra page dirtying ELF is supposed to bring I don't think they stand a chance unless you are the lucky ones who have 8 or more MB in the old machines. I don't know if this is the right thing to do. Dave From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 15 17:16:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA22302 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 17:16:29 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 13382 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <602-12539>; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:16:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970972-262>; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:14:09 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970910-262>; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:13:54 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id RAA22288; Thu, 15 May 1997 17:14:23 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199705151614.RAA22288@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility To: gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:14:22 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9705151511.AA13376@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at May 15, 97 04:11:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I don't thinkn that's necessary. It isn't actually necessary for programs to execute code out of the 26bit limit - what was the last thing you developed that had a 64MB program size? It would make sense to compile things in 26bit compatibility mode as they execute slightly faster (due to the need to make fewer comparisons round function calls) and are slightly smaller. I would emphasise that this is a very slight difference. Probably less than 0.5% for big programs. But if ELF does require double mapping of pages as Russell indicated he thought it did, the old machines are stuffed for ELF. So, targets for gcc of: arm-linuxaout (26 bit code produced. libc4) arm32-linux (32 bit code. libc 6) arm-linux (26 bit code. libc6) It should only be necessary to select between 26 and 32 bit code when doing the kernel, to be honest. Oh, I keep changing my mind what the Right Thing To Do is ;-( (Hey, are we going to support thumb at some stage? ;-) From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Thu May 15 19:09:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id TAA22693 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:09:38 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wS4ys-00053K-00; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:10:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:10:22 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <9705151511.AA13376@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Thu, 15 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > I'm wondering if the right thing to do is to move to fully 32 bit in > the 2.1.x series when we move to ELF. I think this is the wrong thing to do. Supporting 26-bit mode doesn't cost us much and we don't want to leave people with no machines without any support at all. The only ARMLinux machines I have at home are ARM3 vintage; frankly I'm not about to rush to spend 1000 pounds or however it is on a RiscPC. > The thing is the old machines (A400's etc) just aren't going to be > able to cope with ELF; with only 128x32K pages and the extra page > dirtying ELF is supposed to bring I don't think they stand a chance Can you quantify this "extra page dirtying"? I suspect there are other things we can do to improve the situation though - ELF will let us have more shared libraries, for example, and we can do the trick of discarding the kernel's init code. p. From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Thu May 15 19:38:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id TAA22799 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:38:45 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wS5R4-0005OZ-00; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:39:30 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:39:30 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linuxarm Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <199705151614.RAA22288@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Thu, 15 May 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > things in 26bit compatibility mode as they execute slightly faster (due to > the need to make fewer comparisons round function calls) and are slightly I suspect this difference really does get lost in the noise. > (Hey, are we going to support thumb at some stage? ;-) There's not a lot to support. Binutils should be able to cope with Thumb now, I think. If somebody builds a Thumb machine then we could port Linux to it. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 15 20:16:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA22936 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 20:16:50 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 43524 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13232-6279>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:16:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971025-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:14:09 -0400 Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk ([130.88.13.4]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971030-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:12:20 -0400 Received: from amu7.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA25000; Thu, 15 May 97 20:13:36 BST Date: Thu, 15 May 97 20:14:26 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705151914.AA02758@amu7.cs.man.ac.uk> To: gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk, pjb27@cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > I think this is the wrong thing to do. Supporting 26-bit mode doesn't > cost us much and we don't want to leave people with no machines without > any support at all. The only ARMLinux machines I have at home are ARM3 > vintage; frankly I'm not about to rush to spend 1000 pounds or however it > is on a RiscPC. Actually I was thinking of buying the StrongARM/PCI development card - they were suggesting they'd be under #400; not quite a full machine mind you - but more hack value :-) Dave From pjb27@thor.cam.ac.uk Thu May 15 21:07:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk (thorexim@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.39]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id VAA23123 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:07:11 +0100 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wS6od-0006r8-00; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:07:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 21:07:54 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linuxarm Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <199705151614.RAA22288@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Philip Blundell Status: RO On Thu, 15 May 1997, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Probably less than 0.5% for big programs. But if ELF does require double > mapping of pages as Russell indicated he thought it did, the old machines > are stuffed for ELF. So, targets for gcc of: I've forgotten exactly _why_ ELF is thought to require `double mapping of pages'. Can somebody explain it? p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 15 23:09:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA23536 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:09:26 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 37145 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <529-26884>; Fri, 16 May 1997 01:09:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971071-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 18:03:36 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971073-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 18:03:02 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Thu, 15 May 1997 23:03:38 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex5) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 15 May 97 22:42:05 BST Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:23:51 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <147.199705152123@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:23:40 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 15, 97 07:10:22 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > Can you quantify this "extra page dirtying"? I suspect there are other > things we can do to improve the situation though - ELF will let us have > more shared libraries, for example, and we can do the trick of discarding > the kernel's init code. With 32k page sizes, that isn't going to save much. Maybe one page if you're lucky. The kernel will still take 20 pages... There actually isn't much init code that can be removed (I think it's about 8k or so). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 15 23:09:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA23539 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:09:27 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 37145 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <484-10549>; Fri, 16 May 1997 01:09:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971031-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 18:02:47 -0400 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.100.24]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971074-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 18:02:02 -0400 Received: from star.ucl.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 15 May 1997 22:51:59 +0100 Received: by star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA27686; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:55:03 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:55:02 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: <1732.199705142256@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > > I had the same sort of problem with the 1.3.35 net kernel - my ANT > > Ether3-8 card was recognised, but things didn't work when I tried to take > > it up with ifconfig - device not found errors, IIRC. Hopefully, this has > > been fixed.... > > Afraid not yet... Arghhhh! Any hope of this working in sight? If it means anything, all of the driver code is in the Ether3-8 module which comes with the Acorn DCI4 stack - surely it should be reasonably easy to rip this code out? > > BTW, if anyone has tried out the cross-compiler which is pointed to by > > the arm linux web page (can't remember offhand who ported it), I found > > that cc1 (the compiler backend) was broken (using a Pentium), and so I've > > recompiled it. I can't garauntee it works completely, but if you want a > > "fixed" version try ftping to ftp://ftp.star.ucl.ac.uk/pub/rhdt/cc1.tgz > > You require libc 5.4, not 5.3 to use it. (Is 5.3 broken in a severe way, > or what?). Ah, that may be the problem. But how come things *appeared* to work when I redid cc1? +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 03:36:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA24401 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:36:37 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 50544 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <751-10549>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:35:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971137-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:33:18 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971114-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:32:46 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Fri, 16 May 1997 03:34:26 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 15 May 97 22:43:34 BST Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:18:19 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <133.199705152118@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility To: gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:18:08 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9705151511.AA13376@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at May 15, 97 04:11:36 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO David Alan Gilbert writes: > I'm wondering if the right thing to do is to move to fully 32 bit in > the 2.1.x series when we move to ELF. > > The thing is the old machines (A400's etc) just aren't going to be > able to cope with ELF; with only 128x32K pages and the extra page > dirtying ELF is supposed to bring I don't think they stand a chance > unless you are the lucky ones who have 8 or more MB in the old > machines. Under ELF, especially on the 386, the intermediate page between text and data is mapped in twice - one after each other. This cannot be done under the MEMC (since it uses a one to one physical -> logical mapping). The only way that you could do it is to immediately create one extra dirty page extra on top of the dirty pages caused by dynamic linking (if used). I don't believe that it would be a good idea to do this to an already page-starved architecture. ARM6, yep. ARM2, 3. Definitely not. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 03:37:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA24406 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:37:57 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 50544 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <381-10549>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:36:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971162-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:33:40 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971133-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:33:02 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Fri, 16 May 1997 03:34:41 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 15 May 97 22:43:42 BST Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:14:47 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <126.199705152114@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:14:34 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 15, 97 03:58:27 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > > Since the two architectures /are/ different, it would make sense to have > > two different magic numbers - one for 26 bit code and one for 32 bit code. > > It would then be possible to have a binfmt_aout26 module that would do > > the necessary magic to run the app in 26 bit code space if you weren't > > going to run 26 bit code often. As far as I can see, this should be > > a matter of setting the appropriate bit in the CPSW to set the flag. > > 32 bit data should still be okay, I think. > > That's basically what I was thinking. > > > Obviously, that's not terribly good for the kernel; I think we should > > always have a specific architecture set up for the kernel - since that's > > the least of the worries. > > Of course. Given that the drivers and so on need to be different, > compiling for a specific CPU is a trivial matter. But people ought to be > able to take a user binary of unknown provenance, and either run it in the > knowledge that it will work correctly, or (at worst) get an error message. > Random lossage is not an acceptable option. ;-) ARM3 code will run on ARM6, ARM7, ARM8, SA110 with no problems under linux. There is no need to complicate the issue with different magic numbers! If you do go to 32-bit aout binaries, then you WILL have problems on ARM3 machines. The problem is not obvious, but basically if you use shared C libraries on 32-bit, they will be located at 0x60000000, which is, obviously, an invalid address on ARM3. The solution is to set a flag in the a.out header to indicate 32-bit. That way, there is absolutely no need to change the binutils (apart from setting said flag if you're using 32-bit). *Nothing else changes*. Simple solution isn't it? And it involves the least work! _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 03:38:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA24411 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:38:10 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 50544 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <526-10549>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:36:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971176-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:34:14 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971114-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:33:40 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Fri, 16 May 1997 03:35:00 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 15 May 97 22:07:09 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:42:57 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1509.199705142242@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:42:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 13, 97 11:45:16 am X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Well one thing you can do Phil if you are temporarily paused is to build > > an a.out libc5. Ok we lose the dyanmic link -ldl stuff but I don't see why > > a bit of GBH wont make the rest of it build a.out ;) > > I thought of that, but it didn't really seem worth it at the time. I was > hoping that with only a bit more work I could build an a.out glibc, and we > could skip libc5 entirely for the ARM. In terms of the glibc library code > I think about 90% of it is done now - we don't have the crt startup files > yet though. Nor does it do .sa a.out-style shared libraries, and I'm not > totally sure whether that's worth putting in or not. If you don't use shared libraries, then the binaries do tend to turn out on the large side (~100k each), and this is definitely not desirable, especially when trying to build boot disks and the like. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 03:38:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA24414 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:38:15 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 17777 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <661-16416>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:37:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971163-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:35:32 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971164-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:34:13 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Fri, 16 May 1997 03:35:15 +0100 Received: from nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 15 May 97 22:08:44 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:50:16 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1705.199705142250@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Arm700 To: martin@galaxy.tcp.co.uk (Martin Ebourne) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:50:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Martin Ebourne" at May 13, 97 11:39:05 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Martin Ebourne writes: > Actually despite that Russ has managed to get most of an ARM Red Hat 4.0/4.1 > system packaged! [For non-linux people, Red Hat is one of the popular > distributions. It's by far the best which is why I originally suggested Russ > used their tools and system. ;) 4.1 is the latest version, the ARM one Russ > has made is a hybrid with 4.0 approx.] > > As to the 700 version - there isn't one yet because Russ doesn't have a > 600/700 and I haven't got the sources. He's is supposed to be visiting me > this weekend with all the bits (otherwise I'll visit him with a baseball bat > ;)). My machine is a 610 so by next week there MIGHT be a real Red Hat > distribution on the ftp site [I have out of hours ethernet access] which > supports at least ARM600/700 and SA. Otherwise Russ might have a few bruises. > :-) Martin - Over the last day, I was able to visit Dave Gilbert (@ Manchester Uni, curtesy of certain business arrangements), and tried out the RiscPC kernel on a RPC600 with Arm610 in. We've sorted out some bugs concerning the 'Updatable' bit, so it should at least boot. However, it's just the abort code that needs fixing... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 03:39:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA24421 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:39:20 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 17777 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <784-26884>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:37:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971114-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:34:45 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971133-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:34:10 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Fri, 16 May 1997 03:35:11 +0100 Received: from by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 15 May 97 22:08:35 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 14 May 1997 23:06:47 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1897.199705142306@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: cross compile To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:06:45 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 14, 97 03:44:23 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Philip Blundell writes: > Is there actually any way to generate a libgcc.a that will work with both > architectures? If not we probably ought to try to find some way to do it > by having two of them and altering the specs file. > > Also, what's the situation with moving user binaries between arm3 and arm6 > machines? E My gcc patches create the gcc 'multilib' - it will generate libgcc.a for arm2, arm3 and arm6. Binaries will work on either machine. There are plans to have 32-bit binaries, and obviously 32-bit binaries can't be moved to an ARM3 machine. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 03:39:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA24423 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:39:21 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 17777 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <35-25621>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:37:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971133-262>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:34:51 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971163-258>; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:34:12 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Fri, 16 May 1997 03:35:19 +0100 Received: from nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Thu, 15 May 97 22:08:52 BST Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:56:16 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <1732.199705142256@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Arm700 To: rhdt@star.ucl.ac.uk (Richard Townsend) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:56:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Richard Townsend" at May 14, 97 01:16:53 am X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Richard Townsend writes: > There is almost all of the "new" stuff on the ftp site now - kernels for > a5k and strongarm, along with loaders, partitioners and whatnot. All that > we are waiting for is the boot and installation disks, which according > to Martin will appear this weekend - nice one chaps! The problems I have > mentioned with decompressing the kernel occur with this new 2.0.28/29 a5k > kernel - anyone else experienced this? It should be 2.0.30... > I had the same sort of problem with the 1.3.35 net kernel - my ANT > Ether3-8 card was recognised, but things didn't work when I tried to take > it up with ifconfig - device not found errors, IIRC. Hopefully, this has > been fixed.... Afraid not yet... > BTW, if anyone has tried out the cross-compiler which is pointed to by > the arm linux web page (can't remember offhand who ported it), I found > that cc1 (the compiler backend) was broken (using a Pentium), and so I've > recompiled it. I can't garauntee it works completely, but if you want a > "fixed" version try ftping to ftp://ftp.star.ucl.ac.uk/pub/rhdt/cc1.tgz You require libc 5.4, not 5.3 to use it. (Is 5.3 broken in a severe way, or what?). Dave and myself also found that m6/libgcc.a is broken. Dave's going to have a look at that over the weekend. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 09:20:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA25495 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:20:39 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 33405 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <898-25621>; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:14:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971085-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 04:11:28 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971117-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 04:02:27 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id IAA12644; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:58:05 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705160758.IAA12644@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility To: gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk (David Alan Gilbert) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:58:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk, pjb27@cam.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9705151914.AA02758@amu7.cs.man.ac.uk> from "David Alan Gilbert" at May 15, 97 08:14:26 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Actually I was thinking of buying the StrongARM/PCI development card > - they were suggesting they'd be under #400; not quite a full > machine mind you - but more hack value :-) Not bad so long as it has the CPU and RAM on it and fits a PC. You could make a very nice 4 node NUMA cluster that way, and have a supervisory intel CPU. Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 09:59:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA25632 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:59:42 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 45894 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <751-16416>; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:59:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970884-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 04:57:29 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970869-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 04:57:22 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id JAA12982; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:06:00 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705160806.JAA12982@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:05:57 +0100 (BST) Cc: gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <133.199705152118@tanis.armlinux.org> from "rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk" at May 15, 97 10:18:08 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Under ELF, especially on the 386, the intermediate page between text and > data is mapped in twice - one after each other. This cannot be done under > the MEMC (since it uses a one to one physical -> logical mapping). There is no requirement to map it twice, so you can avoid that by careful alignment of sections. > The only way that you could do it is to immediately create one extra dirty > page extra on top of the dirty pages caused by dynamic linking (if used). You should be able to get all the dynamic linking, GOT etc in one page surely (especially at 32K pages) Alan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 10:12:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA25704 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:12:33 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 9809 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <951-16416>; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:10:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970884-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:07:59 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970872-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:07:44 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wSJ0i-0001MY-00; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:09:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:09:12 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: Richard Townsend , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: <1732.199705142256@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > You require libc 5.4, not 5.3 to use it. (Is 5.3 broken in a severe way, > or what?). No, but binaries compiled against 5.4 won't run with 5.3 or earlier. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 10:13:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA25708 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:13:04 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 9809 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <736-16416>; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:13:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970900-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:11:01 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970886-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:10:43 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wSJ3k-0001PK-00; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:12:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:12:19 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linuxarm Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <133.199705152118@tanis.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 15 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > Under ELF, especially on the 386, the intermediate page between text and > data is mapped in twice - one after each other. This cannot be done under > the MEMC (since it uses a one to one physical -> logical mapping). Just because the 386 does that doesn't mean we have to. I have the ELF specs from Sun's manuals here and they don't say you have to double-map pages. I think this is a non-issue. If necessary I imagine we could force the data section to be page aligned. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 10:33:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA25796 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:33:28 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 37734 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <233-25621>; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:33:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970904-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:30:57 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970900-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:30:42 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wSJMx-0001nT-00; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:32:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:32:11 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <147.199705152123@tanis.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 15 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > With 32k page sizes, that isn't going to save much. Maybe one page if you're > lucky. The kernel will still take 20 pages... There actually isn't much > init code that can be removed (I think it's about 8k or so). One page is still significant when you've only got 128. I get something like 24k thrown out on my PC and my Alpha at the moment, and not all the drivers have the __initfunc()s added yet, so I'm hopeful we can save at least a page or so. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 10:57:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA25872 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:57:27 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 36612 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <823-25621>; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:56:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970900-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:53:46 -0400 Received: from diamond.tao.co.uk ([158.152.120.224]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970904-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:53:31 -0400 Received: from diamond.tao.co.uk (ach@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diamond.tao.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20655 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:55:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199705160955.KAA20655@diamond.tao.co.uk> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 May 1997 16:11:36 -0000." <9705151511.AA13376@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:55:17 +0100 From: Andy Hayward Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >The thing is the old machines (A400's etc) just aren't going to be >able to cope with ELF; with only 128x32K pages and the extra page >dirtying ELF is supposed to bring I don't think they stand a chance >unless you are the lucky ones who have 8 or more MB in the old >machines. Talking about memory; I can remember speaking with Russell at AcornWorld '96; he mentioned that the code to support >2 MEMC's on the older machines was either (a) not written or (b) no tested. What is the situation here? Thanks ach From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 10:57:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA25874 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:57:28 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 36612 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <465-25621>; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:56:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970904-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:54:02 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970884-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:53:31 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wSJiP-00024h-00; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:54:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:54:21 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <1509.199705142242@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 14 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > If you don't use shared libraries, then the binaries do tend to turn out > on the large side (~100k each), and this is definitely not desirable, Nor is putting a.out shared library support into glibc, to be honest. I think people who want shared libraries can wait for ELF or use libc4. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 10:57:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA25877 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:57:29 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 36612 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <289-10549>; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:57:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970900-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:55:20 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970884-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:55:05 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wSJkn-00027J-00; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:56:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:56:49 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <126.199705152114@tanis.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 15 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > ARM3 code will run on ARM6, ARM7, ARM8, SA110 with no problems under linux. > There is no need to complicate the issue with different magic numbers! > > If you do go to 32-bit aout binaries, then you WILL have problems on ARM3 > machines. The problem is not obvious, but basically if you use shared C Or if you go to newer processors (Thumb etc) you will have problems with 26-bit binaries. > The solution is to set a flag in the a.out header to indicate 32-bit. That > way, there is absolutely no need to change the binutils (apart from setting > said flag if you're using 32-bit). *Nothing else changes*. Yeah - that's basically the same solution that Matthew proposed. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 11:41:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA26125 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:41:50 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 46899 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <722-10549>; Fri, 16 May 1997 13:41:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970917-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 06:39:10 -0400 Received: from development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.123.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <970906-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 06:38:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (matthew@localhost) by development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk (8.8.Beta.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA12524 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:40:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:40:36 +0100 (BST) From: Matt X-Sender: matthew@development.ids-23.bcc.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <199705160955.KAA20655@diamond.tao.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just wondering if the ARM6 kernel code is late or early abort - ie is all the chatting about ARM6 compatibility also referring to the ARM7. I realise that the basics of the two processors is the same - the 'abortedness' being the only difference I know about :) I wait with baited breath to reformat my HD and install linux-arm7 :) (will I suffocate :)? ) Take care, Matt -==- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 12:17:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA26367 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:17:22 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 18516 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <115-26884>; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:17:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970904-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:14:53 -0400 Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk ([130.88.13.4]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970814-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:14:38 -0400 Received: from amu6.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA11165; Fri, 16 May 97 12:16:05 BST Date: Fri, 16 May 97 12:15:59 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705161115.AA14230@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk, rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > The solution is to set a flag in the a.out header to indicate 32-bit. That > > way, there is absolutely no need to change the binutils (apart from setting > > said flag if you're using 32-bit). *Nothing else changes*. > > Yeah - that's basically the same solution that Matthew proposed. Hang on - so what you are proposing is having 26 bit Aout, 32 bit aout and then ELF. Hmm. Why not just have 26 bit Aout and 32 bit ELF? Dave From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 14:32:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA26887 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:32:20 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 38467 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <322-26884>; Fri, 16 May 1997 16:32:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970952-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:29:37 -0400 Received: from m1.cs.man.ac.uk ([130.88.13.4]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970864-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:29:14 -0400 Received: from amu6.cs.man.ac.uk by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1:AL6) id AA15145; Fri, 16 May 97 14:30:03 BST Date: Fri, 16 May 97 14:30:01 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9705161330.AA14448@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> To: gilbertd@cs.man.ac.uk, pjb27@cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I think we will probably need all four combinations - 26 bit a.out, 26-bit > ELF, 32-bit a.out and 32-bit ELF. As I said, ARM3 machines absolutely > need 26-bit code, and new ARM (eg Thumb) absolutely needs 32-bit code, so > there's no getting away from that one. Also we need a.out and ELF, and > since binary format is pretty much orthogonal to the generated code > anyway we might as well go the whole hog. I'm not sure thats true. Is there any reason why we need 32 bit a.out? I believe that 2 file formats is better than 4. Dave From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 14:34:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA26893 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:34:01 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 38467 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <776-26884>; Fri, 16 May 1997 16:34:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970976-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:31:35 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <970864-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:31:19 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wSN7o-00052x-00; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:32:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:32:48 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <9705161330.AA14448@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 16 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > I'm not sure thats true. Is there any reason why we need 32 bit a.out? If we can get ELF working in a reasonable timeframe then no, we don't really need 32-bit a.out. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 16 15:37:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA27104 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:37:21 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 894 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <487-25621>; Fri, 16 May 1997 17:37:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971075-258>; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:34:58 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971071-262>; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:34:42 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.622 #1) id 0wSN38-0004yk-00; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:27:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:27:58 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linuxarm Subject: Re: ARM3/ARM6 compatibility In-Reply-To: <9705161115.AA14230@amu6.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 16 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > > > The solution is to set a flag in the a.out header to indicate 32-bit. That > > > way, there is absolutely no need to change the binutils (apart from setting > > > said flag if you're using 32-bit). *Nothing else changes*. > > > > Yeah - that's basically the same solution that Matthew proposed. > > Hang on - so what you are proposing is having 26 bit Aout, 32 bit aout and then > ELF. Hmm. > Why not just have 26 bit Aout and 32 bit ELF? I think we will probably need all four combinations - 26 bit a.out, 26-bit ELF, 32-bit a.out and 32-bit ELF. As I said, ARM3 machines absolutely need 26-bit code, and new ARM (eg Thumb) absolutely needs 32-bit code, so there's no getting away from that one. Also we need a.out and ELF, and since binary format is pretty much orthogonal to the generated code anyway we might as well go the whole hog. Can you think of any particular reasons why this is bad? p. From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Fri May 16 18:20:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (root@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA27607 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 18:20:04 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id LAA16058 for arm-linux-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:03:32 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (relay-7.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with SMTP id LAA16053 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:03:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from wndrwrks.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.108]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0516007; 14 May 97 10:52 BST Message-ID: <9+XyrBAvhXezEwQm@wndrwrks.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:31:43 +0100 To: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk From: Andy Armstrong Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03 Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO In article , Martin Ebourne writes [snip] >As to the 700 version - there isn't one yet because Russ doesn't have a >600/700 and I haven't got the sources. He's is supposed to be visiting me >this weekend with all the bits (otherwise I'll visit him with a baseball bat >;)). My machine is a 610 so by next week there MIGHT be a real Red Hat >distribution on the ftp site [I have out of hours ethernet access] which >supports at least ARM600/700 and SA. Otherwise Russ might have a few bruises. I sounds a bit late to offer, but I have a couple of spare 610 cards if anyone needs them for testing. Great news about the release. How big is it likely to be? How stable? -- http://www.wonderworks.co.uk --> Free RISC OS software Andy Armstrong, WonderWorks From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 17 15:24:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA31539 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 15:24:10 +0100 Received: from TIMEDOUT@vger.rutgers.edu (port 50995 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <204-1935>; Sat, 17 May 1997 17:24:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971614-10003>; Sat, 17 May 1997 06:22:02 -0400 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.100.24]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <986150-10001>; Sat, 17 May 1997 02:21:11 -0400 Received: from star.ucl.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 16 May 1997 17:13:13 +0100 Received: by star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA25635; Fri, 16 May 1997 17:16:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:16:17 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: 4Mb machines... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'd like to add my voice to those who have raised issues about the shortage of memory in 4Mb machines. With so little memory, the limiting factor on "real world" speed is not the CPU but the swap rate; using the 1.3.35 kernel, my A3020 swaps like buggery and so it would be nice to retain as much non-kernel memory as possible. Even though A3020's and such are now getting towards "legacy" hardware, they are much in use and it would be a shame if they got passed by in the rush to provide for the latest-spec whizz-bang machine.... On a similar note, how much "non-essential" stuff is there in the kernel which can be chucked to free up memory (ie things like sound, ISO 9whatever support for CDROMs etc)? cheers Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Mon May 19 15:52:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA08388 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 15:52:21 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.6.Beta3/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id PAA14851 for arm-linux-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 15:20:25 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk (mail-d.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.24]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.6.Beta3/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with SMTP id PAA14845 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 15:20:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from star.ucl.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 19 May 1997 15:20:00 +0100 Received: by star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA19312; Mon, 19 May 1997 15:23:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:23:03 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: Martin Ebourne Cc: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk, Chris Johns Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 13 May 1997, Martin Ebourne wrote: > > As to the 700 version - there isn't one yet because Russ doesn't have a > 600/700 and I haven't got the sources. He's is supposed to be visiting me > this weekend with all the bits (otherwise I'll visit him with a baseball bat > ;)). My machine is a 610 so by next week there MIGHT be a real Red Hat > distribution on the ftp site [I have out of hours ethernet access] which > supports at least ARM600/700 and SA. Otherwise Russ might have a few bruises. > :-) Did Russ visit? Or is he a bloody pulp now? In particular, any sniff of the installation and boot disks for Red Hat? No sign of things on the web.... Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Mon May 19 21:45:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (majordom@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA09580 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:45:12 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.6.Beta3/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) id VAA16807 for arm-linux-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:17:11 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk: majordom set sender to owner-arm-linux using -f Received: from zeus.tcp.net.uk (zeus.tcp.net.uk [195.80.0.33]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.6.Beta3/8.8.5/TardisMailhub) with ESMTP id VAA16800 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:17:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from galaxy.tcp.co.uk (du-208.tcp.co.uk [195.80.1.208]) by zeus.tcp.net.uk (8.7.6/8.7) with SMTP id VAA22123; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:16:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:11:43 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Ebourne Subject: Re: Arm700 To: Richard Townsend Cc: arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk, Chris Johns , Martin Ebourne In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-arm-linux@tardis.ed.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon 19 May, Richard Townsend wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Martin Ebourne wrote: > > As to the 700 version - there isn't one yet because Russ doesn't have a > > 600/700 and I haven't got the sources. He's is supposed to be visiting me > > this weekend with all the bits (otherwise I'll visit him with a baseball bat > Did Russ visit? Or is he a bloody pulp now? In particular, any sniff of > the installation and boot disks for Red Hat? No sign of things on the > web.... He most certainly did. And what's even better we've got Linux running on the ARM610/710 as well. Most of a red hat distribution is up on the ftp site, though you can't get to it yet. Expect it in a week or so I guess. I've now got ARM Linux installed on mine, and while not being perfect, it's damn good. I compiled the GNU Emacs 19.34 RPM up last night without much bother. I'll upload it in time for the dist becoming available. There's a few other things missing but not much. -- Martin Ebourne mailto:martin@galaxy.tcp.co.uk From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 20 04:56:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id EAA10943 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 04:56:35 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 47897 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15944-29157>; Tue, 20 May 1997 06:55:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971706-27632>; Mon, 19 May 1997 23:52:59 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974476-27629>; Mon, 19 May 1997 22:18:38 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wTUw6-0006do-00; Mon, 19 May 1997 17:05:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:05:22 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Tim Waugh cc: linuxarm Subject: COMMERCIAL: Red Hat Linux 4.2 for Intel, Alpha, and SPARC (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just when you thought it was safe to install 4.1... *sigh* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:45:35 -0400 From: Red Hat Software Just when you thought you could park your computer and pack up for that summer vacation, or winter getaway (for our friends in the southern hemisphere), Red Hat comes out with yet another brilliant release. Announcing Red Hat Linux - Release 4.2 for Intel, Alpha and SPARC !! Shipping will begin on Wednesday May 21, 1997. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 20 16:41:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA13493 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 16:41:48 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 7983 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16287-22364>; Tue, 20 May 1997 18:41:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972258-27632>; Tue, 20 May 1997 11:39:01 -0400 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972280-27632>; Tue, 20 May 1997 11:38:45 -0400 Received: from afawcett.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.48]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1105115; 20 May 97 15:07 BST Received: from [127.0.0.1] by afawcett.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:59:18 GMT Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:56:53 +0100 From: Andy Fawcett To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Red Hat Linux 4.2 for Intel, Alpha, and SPARC (fwd) Message-ID: <478D3BC05B%tap@lspace.org> In-Reply-To: Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!) X-Mailer: Messenger v0.30 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-21 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59-beta-5 Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO In message Philip Blundell wrote: > Just when you thought it was safe to install 4.1... *sigh* Why does this always happen??? > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:45:35 -0400 > From: Red Hat Software > > Just when you thought you could park your computer and pack up for > that summer vacation, or winter getaway (for our friends in the > southern hemisphere), Red Hat comes out with yet another brilliant > release. > > Announcing Red Hat Linux - Release 4.2 > for Intel, Alpha and SPARC !! > Shipping will begin on Wednesday May 21, 1997. Okay, three points here: 1. Is the ARM/RedHat setup authorised by RedHat itself? This may have been discussed on the vger list, but I'll have missed it, cos I've only just re-subscribed... 2. I hope the release that's (virtually) ready will still come out soon. It would be a shame to wait for it to be 'upgraded'. 3. Does anybody know what the differences are between the current (Intel) release and (Intel) 4.2? -- Andy Fawcett a.f.p. recipes (recipe-serv@lspace.org) http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/ send mail with subject 'send index' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- IOT trap -- core dumped From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 20 20:02:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA14118 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 20:02:50 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 16479 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15825-22364>; Tue, 20 May 1997 21:57:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970929-27632>; Tue, 20 May 1997 14:55:18 -0400 Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.50]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971604-27632>; Tue, 20 May 1997 14:54:36 -0400 Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with JANET SMTP (PP); Tue, 20 May 1997 19:56:04 +0100 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (annex7) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 20 May 97 19:55:16 BST Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Mon, 19 May 1997 20:15:08 GMT From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <111.199705192015@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Arm700 To: rhdt@star.ucl.ac.uk (Richard Townsend) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:15:02 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Richard Townsend" at May 19, 97 03:23:03 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Richard Townsend writes: > Did Russ visit? Or is he a bloody pulp now? In particular, any sniff of > the installation and boot disks for Red Hat? No sign of things on the > web.... I did visit indeed, and yes, I've uploaded all the bits'n'pieces now (but not for general consumption). Eg, they won't work on the old machines atm (I've got to produce a set of 720k boot disks for them). However, Linux now works on ARM610 and StrongARM. ARM710 is unknown, but shouldn't be far off. We did find a few missing files in the distribution, but that should be fixed now... The release is almost finished... Please stand by. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 20 23:51:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA14953 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:51:30 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 62329 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15988-19841>; Wed, 21 May 1997 01:50:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972400-27629>; Tue, 20 May 1997 18:48:05 -0400 Received: from zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk ([128.40.1.19]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972414-27629>; Tue, 20 May 1997 18:47:43 -0400 Received: by zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA08031; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:52:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:52:15 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Arm700 In-Reply-To: <111.199705192015@tanis.armlinux.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 19 May 1997 rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: > Richard Townsend writes: > > Did Russ visit? Or is he a bloody pulp now? In particular, any sniff of > > the installation and boot disks for Red Hat? No sign of things on the > > web.... > > I did visit indeed, and yes, I've uploaded all the bits'n'pieces now > (but not for general consumption). Eg, they won't work on the old > machines atm (I've got to produce a set of 720k boot disks for them). By "not for general consumption", do you mean unavailable, since there is nothing new on the web site re the installation disks (although the private directory has changed - which of course, we can't get at!) Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed May 21 09:22:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA16708 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 09:21:57 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 46874 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12845-18206>; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:22:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972532-27629>; Wed, 21 May 1997 04:19:31 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972529-27632>; Wed, 21 May 1997 04:19:16 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id JAA29678; Wed, 21 May 1997 09:13:55 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705210813.JAA29678@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Arm700 To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:13:52 +0100 (BST) Cc: rhdt@star.ucl.ac.uk, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <111.199705192015@tanis.armlinux.org> from "rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk" at May 19, 97 09:15:02 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Most of the CD is now on ftp.uk.linux.org - its taking time as it has to be done in bits by hand for various reasons. I'll be able to add stuff to that section as time goes on From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 23 11:12:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA27286 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:12:14 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 35700 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1350-13715>; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:12:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977949-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 06:10:52 -0400 Received: from zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk ([128.40.1.19]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973463-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 03:16:33 -0400 Received: by zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA09346; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:13:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:13:48 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Building kernel Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have (more or less) sucessfully built a kernel on a mate's Pentium using Dave Gilbert's cross-compiler (after getting my mate to upgrade to libc 5.4.x). However, the build falls over in the final step when making vmlinux with the following error: ---- /usr/arm/tools/bin/arm-unknown-linuxaout-ld -Ttext 0x02880000 arch/arm/kernel/head.o init/main.o init/vers ion.o \ arch/arm/kernel/kernel.o arch/arm/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o net/network.a \ fs/filesystems.a \ arch/arm/drivers/block/block.a arch/arm/drivers/char/char.a arch/arm/drivers/net/net.a \ arch/arm/lib/lib.a /temp/rhdt/linux/lib/lib.a `/usr/arm/tools/bin/arm-unknown-linuxaout-gcc -m3 --print-li bgcc-file-name` -o vmlinux arch/arm/drivers/block/block.a(hd.o)(.text+0x1b4): undefined reference to `hd_info' arch/arm/drivers/block/block.a(hd.o)(.text+0x6bc): undefined reference to `hd_info' arch/arm/drivers/block/block.a(hd.o)(.text+0x99c): undefined reference to `hd_info' arch/arm/drivers/block/block.a(hd.o)(.text+0xdb4): undefined reference to `hd_info' arch/arm/drivers/block/block.a(hd.o)(.text+0xec4): undefined reference to `hd_info' arch/arm/drivers/block/block.a(hd.o)(.text+0x1808): more undefined references to `hd_info' follow make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 --- It appears summat is missing - anyone know what is going on here? cheers Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 23 13:29:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA27814 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:29:57 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 10252 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1743-12387>; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:30:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <978821-3495>; Fri, 23 May 1997 08:28:10 -0400 Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de ([129.13.10.90]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <978829-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 04:01:57 -0400 Received: from ira.uka.de (actually iraul1.ira.uka.de) by iraun1 with SMTP (PP); Thu, 22 May 1997 13:55:33 +0200 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Install Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:55:31 +0200 From: Boris Boesler Message-ID: <"iraun1.ira.789:22.05.97.11.55.48"@ira.uka.de> Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! The file INSTALL file says: You should have the following files: config.arc Copying Install linux.arc partman.arc Versions writedisc.arc instimg.arc suppimg.arc Where are suppimg.arc and instimg.arc ? Thanks in advance, Boris From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 23 19:55:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA29150 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:55:50 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 43787 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1222-29679>; Fri, 23 May 1997 21:55:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974165-3495>; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:53:40 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <978494-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:29:19 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wUwhV-0000Bf-00; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:56:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:56:17 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linuxarm Subject: gcc and aliases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi guys. If anybody feels like doing a small amount of work on GCC, it needs fixing so that aliases in general (and weak aliases in particular) work for Linux/ARM a.out. You should be able to copy the code from the NetBSD a.out routines, so it ought not to be too difficult. This is the current major obstacle to having a version of glibc that works. The library itself now all compiles successfully for arm-linux, and most of it works for arm-none as well. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 23 21:25:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA29438 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 21:25:01 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 22642 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1524-13715>; Fri, 23 May 1997 23:25:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971623-3495>; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:23:55 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <977483-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:33:49 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wUsCr-0000h5-00; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:08:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:08:20 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Richard Townsend cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: 4Mb machines... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 16 May 1997, Richard Townsend wrote: > On a similar note, how much "non-essential" stuff is there in the kernel > which can be chucked to free up memory (ie things like sound, ISO > 9whatever support for CDROMs etc)? Just go through "make config" and see for yourself. The "old IDE harddisk driver" is smaller than the "enhanced" one, so you might want to use that. Make sure you haven't compiled in support for any SCSI cards or network devices that you don't need. Remember that you can use modules for things you need infrequently, so they only take up space when you're using them. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 23 22:28:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA29671 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 22:28:42 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 42314 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1782-16120>; Sat, 24 May 1997 00:26:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972549-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 17:24:49 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972075-3495>; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:06:45 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id RAA28607 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Fri, 23 May 1997 17:20:48 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199705231620.RAA28607@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: ELF To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:20:48 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO ELF. Is the reason for mapping it in twice on the i386 in order to try and write protect the text while leaving the data writable? If so, that's going to fail on the ARM. In fact, it will fail quite badly. due to the lack of internal cache snooping type stuff. If a page is double-mapped, both pages must be marked as uncacheable which will have a severe performance hit. I propose leaving the last page of text writable which does mean that programs will be able to screw themselves up, but it's better than having to take a protection violation trap and having to figure out whether or not it's correct and do the write in the kernel if it was correct. The chances are fairly low anyway, i think, any program which overwrites its own text is more likely to crash shortly than it is to do something Undefined and Wrong. One nice solution does present itself though. On a ARM6+, we have subpages which are 1k in size (assuming we're using 4k pages?) It wouldn't be hard (in fact I believe the RISCiX backend for the binutls does it already) to persuade 1k alignment and it wouldn't waste too much space. Protection levels can be set on an individual subpage. Oh, I guess that one possibility would be to physically copy the whole of the last page. But I'm very unkeen on that idea! From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 23 23:42:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA29935 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 23:42:13 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 60203 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1325-16120>; Sat, 24 May 1997 01:42:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970878-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 18:40:29 -0400 Received: from mailhost.cogency.co.uk ([194.201.189.33]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971716-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:38:20 -0400 Received: from man05 ([194.201.189.37]) by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.27) id AA03216; Fri, 23 May 97 14:29:28 GMT Message-Id: <3385A984.2BF5@cogency.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:28:20 +0000 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Townsend Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Building kernel References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO (Complaints about missing hd_.... symbols) - which hard drive device drivers were you using? I haven't tried 2.0.30 yet - but 2.0.29 was OK. Dave (Please note new email address!) P.S. Russ - will Richard's build work - or will he have to edit the TEXTADDR thing to 0x02800000 like I had to do for the R260/your boot loader? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - David Alan Gilbert (dg@cogency.co.uk) - 0161-428-9444 - - WARNING! This is an alpha release .signature - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 23 23:48:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA29954 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 23:48:21 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 19252 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1112-21070>; Sat, 24 May 1997 01:48:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971867-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 18:46:52 -0400 Received: from zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk ([128.40.1.19]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <973237-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:38:59 -0400 Received: by zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA07348; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:35:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:35:51 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: David Alan Gilbert Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Building kernel In-Reply-To: <3385A984.2BF5@cogency.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 23 May 1997, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > (Complaints about missing hd_.... symbols) - which hard drive device > drivers were you using? > > I haven't tried 2.0.30 yet - but 2.0.29 was OK. Erm, "old" IDE, not enhanced, and no MFM stuff. And yes, this was 2.0.30. This was compiling for my A3020, with the IDE interface on the motherboard. Rich > > > Dave (Please note new email address!) > > P.S. Russ - will Richard's build work - or will he have to edit the > TEXTADDR thing to 0x02800000 like I had to do for the R260/your boot > loader? > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - David Alan Gilbert (dg@cogency.co.uk) - 0161-428-9444 - > - WARNING! This is an alpha release .signature - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 24 00:36:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA30147 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 00:36:42 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 11633 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1053-26434>; Sat, 24 May 1997 02:36:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972199-3495>; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:34:33 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972466-3495>; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:36:21 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.5-q-beta3/8.7.1) id TAA03754; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:04:00 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199705231804.TAA03754@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: Red Hat Linux 4.2 for Intel, Alpha, and SPARC (fwd) To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:03:59 +0100 (BST) Cc: tap@lspace.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 23, 97 04:32:03 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > 1. Is the ARM/RedHat setup authorised by RedHat itself? This may have > No. As far as I know they have no interest in supporting the ARM. There isnt enough market unless someone can crack an apple newton port From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 24 01:30:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id BAA30330 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 01:30:57 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 44865 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1053-21070>; Sat, 24 May 1997 03:30:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971773-3495>; Fri, 23 May 1997 20:28:35 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <974147-3498>; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:43:01 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wUuuJ-0004Bh-00; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:01:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:01:23 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Richard Townsend cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Building kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 22 May 1997, Richard Townsend wrote: > arch/arm/drivers/block/block.a(hd.o)(.text+0x1808): more undefined > references to `hd_info' follow > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > --- > > It appears summat is missing - anyone know what is going on here? Ugh. It looks like something went wrong with the hd driver when Russell converted it for the ARM. You may have to use the new IDE one after all for now - though defining HD_TYPE to something sensible when you compile hd.c might get you going. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 24 12:18:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA32279 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 12:18:31 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 1307 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12487-21070>; Sat, 24 May 1997 14:19:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971434-3498>; Sat, 24 May 1997 07:17:34 -0400 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.100.24]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <971444-3495>; Sat, 24 May 1997 07:17:19 -0400 Received: from star.ucl.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 24 May 1997 12:18:13 +0100 Received: by star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA10510; Sat, 24 May 1997 12:21:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 12:21:29 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: More kernel build joy.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Right, my last problem with kernel building has been cleared up (cheers Russ), and non-compressed kernels now build ok (haven't tried one out, yet, though). However, I have a new problem building compressed kernels. The actual kernel builds ok, but things go wrong when it is being compressed (I think!): --- make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp_mnt/zuaxp8/export/user6/mp/mother_temp/rhdt/linux/arch/arm/boot/compressed/ /usr/arm/tools/bin/arm-unknown-linuxaout-gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/temp/rhdt/linux/include -O2 -DSTDC_HEADERS -m3 -c misc.c -o misc.o misc.c:10: string.h: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [misc.o] Error 1 --- It appears that the standard headers aren't being found properly - does anyone have any idea what's going on? This is building 2.0.29.... cheers Rich From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun May 25 02:23:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA02379 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 02:23:22 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 7245 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12422-985>; Sun, 25 May 1997 04:24:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972305-3498>; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:22:42 -0400 Received: from blackhole.dimensional.com ([208.206.176.10]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <972284-3498>; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:22:27 -0400 Received: from hamilton (p12.pm-2.pm.dimcom.net [208.206.177.44]) by blackhole.dimensional.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA10545 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 19:23:29 -0600 (MDT) Posted-Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 19:23:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970525022621.00986cec@dimensional.com> X-Sender: hamilton@dimensional.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 19:26:21 -0700 To: linuxarm From: hamilton Subject: Thumb C compiler Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Except "Jump Start" are there any THUMB C compilers out there. At any price !! hamilton From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun May 25 16:52:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA05321 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 16:52:00 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 45383 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12885-4667>; Sun, 25 May 1997 18:53:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <973984-3498>; Sun, 25 May 1997 11:50:56 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974024-3495>; Sun, 25 May 1997 11:49:18 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id QAA05297 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 25 May 1997 16:47:30 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199705251547.QAA05297@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: 2.0.30 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:47:29 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Friday, I decided the time had come to actually start running Linux/ARM myself. So I downloaded pretty much everything in sight from the ftp site.. problems: The patch against gcc 2.7.2.2 doesn't apply cleanly - some of the patching appears to have already been done. This *was* against a clean untar of 2.7.2.2 that had been patched from 2.7.2.1. And the t-linux fragment needs to have CROSS_LIBGCC defined, not LIBGCC. or something similar. Knew I should have written everything down. It's easy to deduce what went wrong by comparing it against t-semi. The patch against binutils 2.7 applies (after I found a virgin copy of binutils 2.7, any chance of a patch against 2.8 any time soon?) but it refuses to link the bfd/libbfd.so.2.7. The Make crashes somewhere in opcodes directory complaining about multiple symbols defined. It works fine for an arm-semi-aout target. And the a5k kernel provided doesn't work. The bootloader complains about bad magic (EA000006) and refuses to boot it. The first word in the kernel is indeed a branch instruction. I tried executing it under RISC OS, but it addressexceptioned and a few minutes later my machine hang. Not terribly surprised, but I thought I'd try it. BTW, does this kernel support netbooting? The only supported device I have is an Acorn Ether3, linked to a 486 Linux box running 2.0.30, so I was hoping to NFS mount my root partition. Yes, I'm on an A440 so no device drivers are available. And is the source code on the ftp site? I didn't see it, but I may have overlooked it. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun May 25 18:56:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA05779 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 18:56:54 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 42352 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13055-985>; Sun, 25 May 1997 20:57:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974076-3495>; Sun, 25 May 1997 13:54:59 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974091-3495>; Sun, 25 May 1997 13:53:51 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id SAA05741 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 25 May 1997 18:50:12 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199705251750.SAA05741@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: mailing list archive To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 18:50:11 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm going to make my copy of the mailing list archive available as ftp.barnet.ac.uk:/pub/Acorn/armlinux It's nothing fancy, just available. And it's only what I decided worth keeping. And its only since I subscribed. Please, someone do something better than this. Oh, and Jogu, this spamming appears to be a new technique - Stewart Brodie possibly got hit the other day. I'm contemplating a comp.risks posting. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon May 26 11:29:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA09115 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:29:00 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 38216 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13182-19601>; Mon, 26 May 1997 12:57:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <974145-3498>; Mon, 26 May 1997 05:54:44 -0400 Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <974799-3495>; Mon, 26 May 1997 05:53:56 -0400 Received: (from willy@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id KAA08992 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 26 May 1997 10:52:45 +0100 From: Matthew Wilcox Message-Id: <199705260952.KAA08992@odie.barnet.ac.uk> Subject: old machines To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:52:43 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I found the 2.0.30 patch set last night (I was looking in the wrong place. mea culpa) and installed it into a copy of the standard tree. Patch went fine except that it tries to patch a file called something like kernel.syms, which doesn't exist. So I skipped it. Is it supposed to be able to compile for non-RPC machines? Just wondering, since the very first file compiled fails with an error. Also, no distinction is made between ARM2 & ARM3, despite the fact that ARM3 can SWP and ARM2 cannot. Likewise, the config.in does not query for machine type and assumes RPC. I added the ability to query, and autoset the CPU type based on machine type, but I'm not sure of the value of submitting this patch back if 2.0.30 isn't designed to compile on these machines. Don't take this personally, Russell, I do appreciate the work you've put into Linux, but if I don't report the problems that I find, they might never get fixed. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon May 26 21:18:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA11101 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 21:18:44 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 16190 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2013-19601>; Mon, 26 May 1997 23:05:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977426-3495>; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:03:17 -0400 Received: from blue.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.34]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <977399-3498>; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:03:02 -0400 Received: from dmf20 by blue.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wW60V-0005eh-00; Mon, 26 May 1997 21:04:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 21:04:39 +0100 (BST) From: David X-Sender: dmf20@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: A7000+ & ARMLinux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear All, Does anyone know what would I have to do to get ARMLinux going on an A7000+, if I were to buy one? (i.e. what would be different to say, an A5000) Will ARMLinux take advantage of the hardware FP in said machine by default, or would I have to alter things? Also: Whats the position on using a SCSI Zip drive? Thanks, David. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 27 08:40:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA13339 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:40:05 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 12888 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <13268-23540>; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:40:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977600-3498>; Tue, 27 May 1997 03:36:45 -0400 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.100.24]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <977593-3498>; Tue, 27 May 1997 03:36:05 -0400 Received: from star.ucl.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 27 May 1997 08:35:52 +0100 Received: by star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA16402; Mon, 26 May 1997 18:02:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 18:02:34 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Kernel problems solved... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have (hopefully) solved the problems I had building the compressed kernel. For those who might run into similar problems, I've prepared a very small patch which appears to fix things (this also tweaks a problem with the "old" IDE drivers which Russ has already posted a fix about). The kernel I build appears to work ok (up until wanting a minix boot disk), and in a nice, minimal form swallows up not very much memory (when running on my 4Mb A3020, I have approx 3100K free, which is nice) Email me if you want the patch.... cheers Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue May 27 21:03:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA15931 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:03:25 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 6721 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12593-22645>; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:59:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <978132-8950>; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:56:45 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.PDD.3Com.com ([193.130.120.3]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <978495-8950>; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:51:37 -0400 Received: from isolan.pdd.3com.com by gatekeeper.PDD.3Com.com; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:03:49 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Message-Id: <6049.9705270903@warthog.pdd.3com.com> Subject: Re: Spam :-( To: joseph@odie.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:03:17 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Joseph Heenan" at May 23, 97 09:42:26 pm Organisation: Tree X-Pet-Hate: Microsoft Orofice X-Junk-Level: High X-Want: To be in Aber X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO According to Joseph Heenan : > > Hi, > > Whilst this isn't strictly about armlinux, it's about this list. > > I assume I'm not the only person reading this that has received a > spam titled 'Fwd: Business Opportunity' with a To: field that looks > suspicously like a list of people subscribed to this mailing list. > > It seems ludicrous in this day and age to think that a mailing list > would willingly hand out a list of it's subscribers, surely? > It does seem as those the spammers are getting more resourceful of > late, though :-( Yup, snotty message sent back, ccd to postmaster@aol.com which included the original drivel. What good it will do is another matter but it won't do them any good to have the postmaster receiving tonnes of mail from various people complaining about their mail. H. -- Howard Windsor Email:howardw@pdd.3com.com otherwise known as warthog Bear in mind that the above is the product of a deranged mind. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu May 29 23:24:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA00724 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 23:24:21 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 10821 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2239-22436>; Fri, 30 May 1997 01:21:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <972341-346>; Thu, 29 May 1997 18:19:33 -0400 Received: from eva.cs.uni-magdeburg.de ([141.44.21.5]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <978294-343>; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:59:13 -0400 Received: from pflaume.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (pflaume.cs.uni-magdeburg.de [141.44.21.44]) by eva.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA07084 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 21:43:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost by pflaume.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA11553; Thu, 29 May 1997 21:43:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:43:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Schultz X-Sender: aschultz@pflaume To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Linux on RPC600 with ARM610 ?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I'm just trying to install Linux/ARM on an RPC600 with a ARM610 CPU. So far, I had no success. Could someone tell me, what I need and *where* I can find it. It seems that the infomation on www.arm.uk.linux.org are outdated and most files mentioned there are not present on the ftp site. Thanks Andreas -- Andreas Schultz Student of computer science From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 30 17:07:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA04295 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:07:17 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 39469 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16083-461>; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:05:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <977927-343>; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:00:18 -0400 Received: from zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk ([128.40.1.19]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <978148-346>; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:58:12 -0400 Received: by zuaxp9.star.ucl.ac.uk; id AA06091; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:54:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:54:09 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Townsend To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: dropped sub.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO vger appears to persistently drop my subscription - anyone else had this problem? Incidentaly, has there been any "hot" news in the last week which I may have missed due to a dropped sub? cheers Rich +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Richard Townsend | | | Department of Physics & Astronomy | "Old pond, | | University College London | frog jumps in - | | Gower Street | plop" | | London WC1E 6BT | | | Work: (0171) 419 3410 | Basho | | Home: (0171) 284 0888 Ext 8037 | | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 30 17:33:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA04387 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:33:08 +0100 Received: from TIMEDOUT@vger.rutgers.edu (port 19493 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2144-461>; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:30:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971431-343>; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:21:55 -0400 Received: from navy.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.49]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <978105-343>; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:18:22 -0400 Received: from dmf20 by navy.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wXUNq-0005WE-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:18:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:18:29 +0100 (BST) From: David X-Sender: dmf20@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: David To: Richard Townsend cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: dropped sub.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > vger appears to persistently drop my subscription - anyone else had this > problem? Incidentaly, has there been any "hot" news in the last week > which I may have missed due to a dropped sub? Unless nobody's written a thing since the weekend (which I doubt, somehow) this has happened to me this weekend. I seem to remember posting a question about A7000+ or something at the weekend and today is the first day I've had messages since. (If anyone DID reply to my question, could they possibly resend it direct to me please, cos I haven't received anything for a week.) Cheers, David. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 30 18:14:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA04526 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:14:30 +0100 Received: from TIMEDOUT@vger.rutgers.edu (port 44614 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15376-461>; Fri, 30 May 1997 20:10:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <978073-346>; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:07:30 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <978193-343>; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:45:35 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wXUkj-0001ea-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:42:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:42:09 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: David cc: Richard Townsend , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: dropped sub.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 30 May 1997, David wrote: > Unless nobody's written a thing since the weekend (which I doubt, somehow) > this has happened to me this weekend. I seem to remember posting a > question about A7000+ or something at the weekend and today is the first > day I've had messages since. (If anyone DID reply to my question, could > they possibly resend it direct to me please, cos I haven't received > anything for a week.) I don't remember seeing your question. Can you repost it? BTW, the most likely reason for people getting mysteriously dropped is that email to your account started bouncing. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri May 30 18:49:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA04634 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:49:03 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 61296 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2238-27824>; Fri, 30 May 1997 20:47:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <978099-346>; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:45:55 -0400 Received: from indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.53]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <977884-346>; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:45:08 -0400 Received: from dmf20 by indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wXVkH-0007B9-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:45:45 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:45:45 +0100 (BST) From: David X-Sender: dmf20@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: A7000+ & ARMLinux (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear All, Does anyone know what would I have to do to get ARMLinux going on an A7000+, if I were to buy one? (i.e. what would be different to say, an A5000) Will ARMLinux take advantage of the hardware FP in said machine by default, or would I have to alter things? Also: Whats the position on using a SCSI Zip drive? Thanks, David. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 31 00:31:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA05934 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 00:31:12 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 19269 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16333-8636>; Sat, 31 May 1997 02:28:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971130-343>; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:26:12 -0400 Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <972148-343>; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:24:35 -0400 Received: from pjb27 by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.623 #2) id 0wXb2R-00007w-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 00:24:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 00:24:51 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: David cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: A7000+ & ARMLinux (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 30 May 1997, David wrote: > Does anyone know what would I have to do to get ARMLinux going on an > A7000+, if I were to buy one? (i.e. what would be different to say, an > A5000) Will ARMLinux take advantage of the hardware FP in said machine by > default, or would I have to alter things? It would probably work by default with FP. ARMLinux uses a licensed FPEmulator. > Also: Whats the position on using a SCSI Zip drive? It ought to work straight off. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat May 31 16:33:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA08889 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 16:33:09 +0100 Received: from root@vger.rutgers.edu (port 35444 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16180-21872>; Sat, 31 May 1997 18:33:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <971272-346>; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:31:10 -0400 Received: from hof.baynet.de ([194.95.215.129]) by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <971572-346>; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:30:54 -0400 Received: from ho1454 ([194.95.215.235]) by hof.baynet.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18605 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 17:33:10 +0200 From: wombat@hof.baynet.de (Christian Kohlschuetter) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Need instimg.arc and suppimg.arc Reply-To: wombat@hof.baynet.de Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:18:52 +0100 Message-ID: <19970531.151852.21@wombat.hof.baynet.de> Organization: dARCness Software X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN Version 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59 Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, I am a Linux newbie and want to install ARM Linux on my A5000 (maybe on my RiscPC/SA as well later). Unfortunately, two archives are missing in the distribution package, instimg.arc and suppimg.arc. Can you please tell me where I can find it, or could you even send me the two archives? Thanks in advance, -- Christian Kohlschuetter (wombat@hof.baynet.de) http://www.hof.baynet.de/~wombat