From rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Apr 2 21:31:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.232]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA21855 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:31:14 +0100 From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with SMTP id VAA18824 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:31:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Apr 97 21:30:59 BST Received: from cally.ecs.soton.ac.uk by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Apr 97 21:30:58 BST Received: from caramon.armlinux.org by cally.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:31:26 +0100 Received: from tanis.armlinux.org by caramon.armlinux.org; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:19:20 GMT Message-Id: <140.199704022019@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: web page To: willy@odie.barnet.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:19:17 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199703171610.QAA28965@odie.barnet.ac.uk> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Mar 17, 97 04:10:50 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Matthew Wilcox writes: > > You're missing the closing quote in the A HREF at the bottom of > ~rmk92/armlinux/tools.html. So I can't follow the link properly. Ok, thanks. I've probably already updated it as soon as I saw this mail... > I'd be rather interesated in porting glibc 2 for my 3rd year project. Am > I right in thinking that what needs to be done first is addition of the > ability to produce ELF for the ARM from gcc, and the prerequisite for this > is: > (a) ARM to release their ELF standard > (b) GCC modified to accept -fPIC for the ARM > (c) Binutils modified to know about ARM ELF > > not necessarily in that order of course. That's all about right. I've looked at the binutils, and indeed have some patches that will allow binutils to read ARM ELF, but not generate it correctly. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 3 20:44:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA23396 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:44:40 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11382-10376>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:40:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970881-21089>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:38:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:39:19 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Econet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Anybody working on, or interested in, a driver for the 6854 Econet interface? P. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 3 21:01:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA23417 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:01:06 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3362-16787>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:55:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970902-21089>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:53:13 -0500 From: Bill Broadley Message-Id: <199704031954.LAA15966@proto.math.ucdavis.edu> Subject: Strongarm network computers+linux? To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:54:41 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I finally saw a post first in a week or so, been hoping for learn more about linux-arm by just listening in. Are any of the strongarm machines that run linux like: strongarm cpu >= 160 Mhz. 16-32 MB ram 2 mb video (I.e. 1152x900 16 bit) 10 mbit ethernet Some xfree86 compatible graphics. Some JavaVM implementation. Runs linux diskless? I have a lab of 30 NCD xterminals, and prolly 40 other xterminals around, would be great to start replacing them with linux. Would be nice to start buying Network Computers instead of xterminals. The digital reference design looks very nice, there is a netbsd port, but since I'm alot more familiar with linux... Any prices? I'd love to get one for myself, and use a linux box as a disk server for it. I've checked out the linux-arm page, any other sources of information, prices etc would be greatly appreciated. -- Bill Broadley Bill@math.ucdavis.edu UCD Math Sys-Admin Linux is great. http://math.ucdavis.edu/~bill PGP-ok From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 3 21:53:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA23506 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:53:12 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16634-10376>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:50:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970894-21088>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:45:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:40:45 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Bill Broadley cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Strongarm network computers+linux? In-Reply-To: <199704031954.LAA15966@proto.math.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Bill Broadley wrote: > Are any of the strongarm machines that run linux like: > strongarm cpu >= 160 Mhz. > 16-32 MB ram > 2 mb video (I.e. 1152x900 16 bit) > 10 mbit ethernet > Some xfree86 compatible graphics. > Some JavaVM implementation. > Runs linux diskless? At the moment the only StrongARM hardware that Linux runs on is, I think, the Digital EBSA. This is diskless and has Ethernet. I don't think we have Java for ARM Linux yet, though hopefully it wouldn't be too hard. I don't think XFree86 is ported, but again it probably wouldn't be too difficult if you had the hardware. phil From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 02:18:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA23863 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:18:11 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9967-7840>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:18:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970881-21088>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:15:26 -0500 From: Stephen Jones Message-Id: <28198.199704040116@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Strongarm network computers+linux? To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:16:44 +0100 (BST) Cc: bill@proto.math.ucdavis.edu, pjb27@cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Apr 3, 97 09:40:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Bill Broadley wrote: > > > Are any of the strongarm machines that run linux like: > > strongarm cpu >= 160 Mhz. > > 16-32 MB ram > > 2 mb video (I.e. 1152x900 16 bit) > > 10 mbit ethernet > > Some xfree86 compatible graphics. > > Some JavaVM implementation. > > Runs linux diskless? > > At the moment the only StrongARM hardware that Linux runs on is, I think, > the Digital EBSA. This is diskless and has Ethernet. I don't think we > have Java for ARM Linux yet, though hopefully it wouldn't be too hard. I > don't think XFree86 is ported, but again it probably wouldn't be too > difficult if you had the hardware. > > phil > Sorry to contradict, but you're totally wrong. Linux HAS been ported to the StrongARM Risc PC, as has X. The only ARM chips that aren't supported are the ARM 6/7 series. I don't know about the Java support at the moment, but for more details, see Russ King's homepage at: http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/armlinux.html Full details of his port can be found there. Hope this helps Stephen From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 10:49:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA24391 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:49:33 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11148-13834>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:46:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970881-4259>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:43:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:44:29 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Stephen Jones cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, bill@proto.math.ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Strongarm network computers+linux? In-Reply-To: <28198.199704040116@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Stephen Jones wrote: > > have Java for ARM Linux yet, though hopefully it wouldn't be too hard. I > > don't think XFree86 is ported, but again it probably wouldn't be too > > difficult if you had the hardware. > > Sorry to contradict, but you're totally wrong. Linux HAS been ported to the > StrongARM Risc PC, as has X. The only ARM chips that aren't supported are > the ARM 6/7 series. I don't know about the Java support at the moment, but Oh yes, I forgot the RiscPC. XFree86 is _not_ ported to the ARM. There is an Xserver with support for the VIDC flat framebuffer, but not the various cards that XFree86 supports. I think the ARM6 may supported now as well. phil From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 11:17:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA24418 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:17:51 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <320-26392>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:17:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970879-4261>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:15:07 -0500 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Why no download? Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 12:15:26 +0200 From: Boris Boesler Message-ID: <"iraun1.ira.312:04.04.97.10.16.30"@ira.uka.de> Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! I'd like to download a minimal ARM Linux system to test it. But ftp users have no read access to the kernels etc. Why? Thanks, Boris From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 11:46:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA24447 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:46:04 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <14779-7840>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:44:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970881-4261>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:41:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3344DB35.32C7@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 12:43:01 +0200 From: Markus Reichert X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: No FTP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, it seems there are a few locked directories for anonymous ftp users. I got an PERMISSION DENIED, trying to download rootdisk.arc from . The same problem occured with some other files. Hopefully, Markus From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 13:57:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA24559 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:57:57 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3163-26392>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:54:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970881-4259>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:51:55 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970404124546.00674ffc@digiserve.com> X-Sender: garan@digiserve.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 13:45:46 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Garan Jenkin Subject: Re: Econet Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO At 20:39 03/04/97 +0100, you wrote: >Anybody working on, or interested in, a driver for the 6854 Econet >interface? > Is that one of the interfaces that you put in an a5000 etc? If so I think that would be very very useful, but I have no knowledge of linux or writing drivers so I wouldn't be able to do it! Phil, you sound tempted! :) Garan P.S. incidently, if I get a RPC, will the a5k econet interface still work in the RPC? From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 15:54:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA24697 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:54:13 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5710-26392>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:53:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970882-4261>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:50:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:51:14 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Garan Jenkin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Econet In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970404124546.00674ffc@digiserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Garan Jenkin wrote: > At 20:39 03/04/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Anybody working on, or interested in, a driver for the 6854 Econet > >interface? > > Is that one of the interfaces that you put in an a5000 etc? If so I think Yeah. It's the same hardware as for every Acorn machine since the BBC, more or less. The plugin boards are the same for everything between the Master 128 and the A5000. > that would be very very useful, but I have no knowledge of linux or writing > drivers so I wouldn't be able to do it! You could always learn. :) > Phil, you sound tempted! :) I probably will do it myself eventually if nobody else does. But it would be handy to have somebody else to help. > P.S. incidently, if I get a RPC, will the a5k econet interface still work > in the RPC? I don't _think_ so, but the RiscPC isn't really my area of expertise. phil From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 16:56:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA24869 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:56:49 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6128-13834>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:53:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970879-4259>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:50:43 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970404154449.0067149c@digiserve.com> X-Sender: garan@digiserve.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 16:44:49 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: Garan Jenkin Subject: Re: Econet Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> that would be very very useful, but I have no knowledge of linux or writing >> drivers so I wouldn't be able to do it! > >You could always learn. :) *if* i could ever get armlinux! :) From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 17:24:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA24919 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:24:45 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5603-13834>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:23:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970886-4259>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:20:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:21:54 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Garan Jenkin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Econet In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970404154449.0067149c@digiserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Garan Jenkin wrote: > > >> that would be very very useful, but I have no knowledge of linux or writing > >> drivers so I wouldn't be able to do it! > > > >You could always learn. :) > > *if* i could ever get armlinux! :) Yeah, it's true that that can be a bit of a stumbling-block. I'm assured that Russell will be sending my a copy of the distribution on disk this weekend. I could probably be persuaded to dump some stuff on CD-ROM if anybody was particuarly desperate, until Russell gets his distribution finished. Or I could probably put it up for ftp. phil From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 17:24:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA24921 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:24:46 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5985-26392>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:23:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970885-4259>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:18:34 -0500 From: Duncan McDiarmid Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:20:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199704041620.RAA12020@tromie> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: ARM Linux , where?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: VI3rWm4BoIuQ6lE32SD7aQ== Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, Presuming some people have got copies of ARM Linux (StrongARM version) I would be interested to know where they downloaded them from. I have looked at the ftp site, WWW pages, but I am unable to download the kernels, or many of the other files for that matter. Does a RiscPC set of kernels exist? I saw a demo of ARM Linux at AW96, and was told by Russel King that it would be available shortly. Almost 6 months later... nothing, as far as I can see. Should I wait arround in the hope that an SA version of Linux is going to appear, or should I go straight for RiscBSD, which is available now? Duncan. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 4 18:07:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA24981 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:07:06 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5112-7840>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:06:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970896-4261>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:02:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:04:03 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Duncan McDiarmid cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux , where?? In-Reply-To: <199704041620.RAA12020@tromie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Duncan McDiarmid wrote: > Presuming some people have got copies of ARM Linux (StrongARM version) I would > be interested to know where they downloaded them from. I have looked at the > ftp site, WWW pages, but I am unable to download the kernels, or many of the > other files for that matter. The URL on the web page for the kernel source patches is wrong. It should be '/pub/armlinux/kernel-sources/...' - the URL given is missing the trailing 's'. > Does a RiscPC set of kernels exist? I saw a demo of ARM Linux at AW96, and was > told by Russel King that it would be available shortly. Almost 6 months > later... nothing, as far as I can see. > > Should I wait arround in the hope that an SA version of Linux is going to > appear, or should I go straight for RiscBSD, which is available now? If I were you I would wait for Linux. The code exists, and is apparently pretty solid - it just seems difficult to get hold of right now. The problem seems to be that Russ is still too busy to work on the distribution. At the moment we're chasing a couple of bugs in gcc that are causing some grief. phil From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 7 08:43:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA29378 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:43:32 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1351-20061>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:42:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970884-4259>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 03:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3348A508.3898@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 08:40:56 +0100 From: Steve Potts Reply-To: steve_x@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Arm Linux for the A3010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, Is there a compiled version of armlinux available which would work on my 4MB Ram A3010 with ICS IDEFS Hard Disc ? Cheers Steve From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 7 10:43:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA29546 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:43:48 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <17289-15705>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:42:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970884-4261>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 05:38:48 -0400 To: Philip Blundell cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux , where?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Apr 1997 18:04:03 BST." Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:40:36 +0200 From: Boris Boesler Message-ID: <"iraun1.ira.124:07.04.97.09.41.11"@ira.uka.de> Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! > The URL on the web page for the kernel source patches is wrong. It should > be '/pub/armlinux/kernel-sources/...' - the URL given is missing the > trailing 's'. Who cares about kernel source patches? The directories in /pub/armlinux/distrib have no read access for ftp users. > If I were you I would wait for Linux. The code exists, and is apparently > pretty solid - it just seems difficult to get hold of right now. The > problem seems to be that Russ is still too busy to work on the > distribution. I need it now!!! Boris From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 7 11:51:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA29616 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:51:43 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7709-15705>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:50:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970883-4261>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:46:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:48:55 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Boris Boesler cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux , where?? In-Reply-To: <"iraun1.ira.124:07.04.97.09.41.11"@ira.uka.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Boris Boesler wrote: > I need it now!!! Bad luck, then. P. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 7 12:05:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA29647 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:05:25 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8072-20061>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:51:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970883-4261>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:48:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:51:03 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Steve Potts cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Arm Linux for the A3010 In-Reply-To: <3348A508.3898@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Steve Potts wrote: > Is there a compiled version of armlinux available which would work on my > 4MB Ram A3010 with ICS IDEFS Hard Disc ? Check the web page. I don't think there's any precompiled version available for that setup at the moment, but it ought to be possible to make it work. I don't know off the top of my head whether the ICS IDE is supported. It probably wouldn't be difficult to add the code if not, though. phil From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 7 12:30:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA29677 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:30:19 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10129-15705>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:28:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970886-4261>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:24:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9704071128.AA29213@chmail> From: Daniel Shimmin Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:27:31 +0100 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Advantages of ARM Linux over RiscBSD; and timescales X-Pge: 0,minkey860411678.279.2,0,0,butter860411548.42.449 X-Mailer: MindShare 3.55 Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Would it be possible for someone to summarise the advantages of ARM Linux over RiscBSD, leaving aside the availability issues etc.? I don't need all the details, just a brief overview is fine. (The hardware I'm thinking of using is Acorn RiscPC + StrongARM + 21MB + IDE or RapIDE). Apologies if this has been discussed extensively before or tends to provoke heated argument (I have no personal viewpoint on this; most people I know prefer Linux to BSD on most points, but BSD is closer to Mach, which is what I use at work). On a not entirely unrelated issue, is there a _realistic_ timescale for a complete-ish distribution of ARM Linux for StrongARM? I assume three or six months (say) would be a more accurate guess than one month? Thanks Dan From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 7 13:34:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA29765 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:34:55 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9127-20061>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:32:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970883-4259>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:29:14 -0400 From: Howard Message-Id: <687.9704061412@warthog.pdd.3com.com> Subject: Re: ARM Linux , where?? To: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:12:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Apr 4, 97 06:04:03 pm Organisation: Tree X-Pet-Hate: Microsoft Orofice X-Junk-Level: High X-Want: To be in Aber X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO According to Philip Blundell : > > On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Duncan McDiarmid wrote: > > If I were you I would wait for Linux. The code exists, and is apparently > pretty solid - it just seems difficult to get hold of right now. The > problem seems to be that Russ is still too busy to work on the > distribution. > > At the moment we're chasing a couple of bugs in gcc that are causing some > grief. OK fine, the question is WHEN will the next version be out. I've just got me a new disk and I want to play. :-) Second question is about the partition manager.... Am I right in assuming 1 that it works by setting up one partition at a time (give start and end address each time) 2 the the file system types are ADFS and Linux If this is in some documentation somewhere which describes in more detail how it works and how it should be used apart from the help file can someone direct me towards it. thanks in advance H. -- Howard Windsor Email:howardw@pdd.3com.com otherwise known as warthog "On Christmas day, you can't get sore, your fellow man you must adore, there's time to rob him all the more the other 364" Tom Lehrer From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 14 17:46:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA08584 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:45:59 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20407-9517>; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:10:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970885-254>; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:08:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:09:31 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi guys. Today I started porting glibc-2.0, aka libc-6 (the new Linux C library) to the ARM. A few people said they'd like to help with this. It would be handy if someone could look at writing optimised versions of the string functions, in particular. You can get a copy of the standard glibc release from your favourite GNU mirror if you want to see what functions are needed. Some string functions have implementations in the kernel that can probably be borrowed (and maybe improved) and some need to be written from scratch. Let me know if you're interested. Thanks Phil From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Apr 15 22:35:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA10480 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:35:53 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <19452-19829>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 00:23:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970998-250>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:19:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:10:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Blundell To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu cc: linux-m68k@phil.uni-sb.de Subject: Double take Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO At the moment all the driver stuff for ARM machines seems to live in linux/arch/arm/drivers. This is all well and good for ARM-specific like the keyboard driver, but I think an awful lot of the rest of the stuff there doesn't really belong. For example, if I diff arch/arm/drivers/net/8390.c against drivers/net/8390.c, it turns out that only two lines were changed, and neither of them is really an ARM specific. And looking at the other drivers, it's often the same story. Quite a lot of them have just had code taken out that wasn't applicable to the ARM, but was guarded by a #ifdef CONFIG option that would never have been set in any case. Even worse, some of them have changes that are just cosmetic, and/or that actually ought to have been folded back into the generic versions. In the char/ subdirectory, this certainly goes for lp.c, mem.c, misc.c and serial.c, and probably more besides. In block/, both floppy.c and ide.c (the two largest drivers, by a long way) are both in this category, and I suspect genhd.c isn't beyond hope. In net/, it's just 8390.c and ppp.c that are almost exact duplicates of the generic equivalents, but we've also picked up a stray copy of Space.c that I don't think ought to be there. It would be far better if this stuff stayed in the common drivers/ directory, and any necessary changes got wrapped up in some appropriate #if. Otherwise we increase the size of the kernel source distribution to no purpose, we confuse people looking at the code, and we make more work for ourselves in duplicating any improvements that get made in the generic drivers. When I get time I'll see about doing some of this myself. Equally, I think the people for other architectures, particularly the m68k lot, probably ought to be gently prodded to see if we can get them to move stuff like amigamouse.c and so on out of the generic drivers directory and into arch/m68k, or roll it together with the generic equivalent. I'll cc this to the 68k mailing list as well and see what they say. phil From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Apr 16 18:50:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA11921 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:50:11 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2877-1050>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:46:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970863-254>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:40:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:35:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Blundell To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Compilers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've built gcc 2.7.2.2 and binutils HJ-2.7.0.14 targetted for the ARM. I'll make the binaries for the i386 available at the weekend. Russell, I'll send you the patches for binutils - there were some collisions with your changes, and I'm not entirely sure how to straighten them all out. I have about 90% of glibc compiling now, btw. Whether it _runs_ is another matter, but... p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Apr 16 19:59:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA12048 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:59:39 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <20178-1049>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:56:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970858-250>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:53:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:54:19 +0100 (BST) From: Philip Blundell X-Sender: pjb27@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: immediate operations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO There seems to be a bit of a problem with immediate constants in assembler files that have to go through CPP. As far as I can tell, gas only accepts '#' as the leadin for an immediate constant, and cpp doesn't like that much - it complains about an invalid #directive. Am I overlooking something obvious? I was rather hoping to be able to use '$' to introduce an immediate constant, which seems to work in a particular set of circumstances but not often. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 17 21:34:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA14567 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:34:56 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5535-17315>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:10:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970977-250>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:38:23 -0400 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: James Porritt Subject: Re: When will SA110-Linux be available? Reply-To: poz@fluff.org References: <"iraun1.ira.428:17.04.97.12.18.09"@ira.uka.de> In-Reply-To: <"iraun1.ira.428:17.04.97.12.18.09"@ira.uka.de> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:24:45 GMT Message-ID: <19970417.182445.84@jporritt.demon.co.uk> Organization: The James Porritt Disorganisation X-Mailer: Archimedes TTFN newsreader 0.36 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.58 Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Recently you wrote: > Hi! > > When will SA110-Linux be available? When Russell gets time to finish it. > Is there a reason not to release it? Its not finished. > As I said I need it soon. Tough. > Whether I get ARMLinux or I'll have to sell my RiscPC and buy a Pentium box > :-( > Get RiscBSD if you need a unix real soon. Poz. -- James (Poz) Porritt - poz@fluff.org 2nd year CompSci at Durham University Homepage: http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d50wwy Author of !PozChat, an internet talker for Acorns From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 17 23:21:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA14965 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:21:47 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2503-10679>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:58:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970872-250>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:43:54 -0400 From: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <606.199704172050@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: L68K: Double take To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:50:31 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-m68k@phil.uni-sb.de, Jes@ecs.soton.ac.uk, Sorensen@ecs.soton.ac.uk, In-Reply-To: from "Geert Uytterhoeven" at Apr 17, 97 08:55:21 pm X-Phone: +44 (0)1737 360654 Reply-To: rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Geert Uytterhoeven writes: > >> > live in linux/arch/arm/drivers. This is all well and good for > >> > ARM-specific like the keyboard driver, but I think an awful > >> > >> Well I tend to disagree here, since what you do in the keyboard driver > >> is more or less the same as everybody else do in their keyboard > >> driver. Of course there is some stuff that relates to the low-level > >> interfacing of your keyboard, but the rest of the mid/upper-level > >> handling is generic. In fact Geert already changed the keyboard > >> drivers into using an upper level and a low-level interface. > > > >Yes, we have a split-level keyboard driver on the ARM as well. If > >somebody is prepared to do the work to unify all the high-level code so > >that only the low-level stuff needs to be seperate, then that would be > >good. But in that case, you should _definitely_ keep the low-level > > Our split keyboard driver was supposed to be ported to SPARC too, but I haven't > heard anything from the guy who promised to do it. Does this split keyboard driver that you have capable of handling non-autorepeating keyboards? My split driver can have either a PS2 keyboard or an ARM-specific keyboard attached by slotting in the relevent low-level driver. Although they both totally different (in that one autorepeats, and one does not), my upper interface is exactly the same, and and will provide the same keycodes to the X server even. I have done the same with the mouse driver as well. I have adopted a standard interface that does not depend on the hardware that's being used - whether the mouse status is reported via the keyboard driver or direct from a quadrature mouse. This eliminates any requirement for the X server/other mouse dependent programs to even know what type/style of mouse you are using. It would be nice if a standard 'Linux' kernel mouse/keyboard interface could be established. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk92@ecs.soton.ac.uk --- --- | | | | http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~rmk92/home.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | * who wishes that he was in Hong Kong * --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 21 16:51:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from nic.funet.fi (nic.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA00057 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:51:00 +0100 Received: from TIMEDOUT@vger.rutgers.edu (port 55594 [128.6.190.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12865-727>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:28:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <970858-254>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:22:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 16:26:52 BST From: David Alan Gilbert Message-Id: <9704211526.AA06994@amu7.cs.man.ac.uk> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: X86 -> ARM cross compiler is here! Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, On ftp.compsoc.man.ac.uk in /pub/acorn/ARMLinux is: armtools.tgz - a complete set of everything you need (except what I've forgotten) to build your ARM Linux kernel on an x86 Linux PC. linux-EarlyA-Ether1-NFSBoot - a kernel for A300/A400/?A540? with drivers for floppy, Acorn Ether1 and MFM hard drives. It appears to netboot but I haven't actually tried to access the drives with it. To use the armtools you need to untar them in /usr/arm/tools, then get your fresh kernel source, apply the ARM patches and then edit the flags to tell it what machine you've got. Now edit the top level Makefile to change the CROSS_COMPILE variable to: /usr/arm/tools/bin/arm-unknown-linuxaout- make xconfig, and then do everything for a normal kernel and finish off by make Image this will leave you with a freshly cooked ARM Linux kernel in arch/arm/boot/Image Dave